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TheChamp24
10-17-2011, 08:31 AM
I'm looking ahead already to the 2012 draft, and I think people are going to be pissed when we draft an offensive player as a lot of people will be clamoring for defensive help.
Yes, defensive help is needed, but we'll be in prime position to take either Blackmon/Jeffery/Richardson IMO.
I'm also starting to feel Landry Jones and Matt Barkley will stay for their senior seasons making this QB class weak.

Chris
10-17-2011, 08:32 AM
Can you elaborate on "Blackmon/Jeffery/Richardson"? I rarely watch college (that's a lot of couch time).

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 08:33 AM
I'm looking ahead already to the 2012 draft, and I think people are going to be pissed when we draft an offensive player as a lot of people will be clamoring for defensive help.
Yes, defensive help is needed, but we'll be in prime position to take either Blackmon/Jeffery/Richardson IMO.
I'm also starting to feel Landry Jones and Matt Barkley will stay for their senior seasons making this QB class weak.

Another draft without a DT in the 1st or 2nd round will be a fail of massively epic proportions. Period.

TheChamp24
10-17-2011, 08:37 AM
Can you elaborate on "Blackmon/Jeffery/Richardson"? I rarely watch college (that's a lot of couch time).

Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State.
Last year caught 111 passes for 1700+ yards and 20 TD's. To me, somewhat similar to Dez Bryant minus a lot of the character.
Alshon Jeffery, WR South Carolina
6'4", 220+ pound WR with excellent hands and good speed. Made a great catch at the end of the game this past weekend to win it for South Carolina.
Trent Richardson, RB Alabama.
Already has 900+ yards and 15 TD's this year. Was overshadowed by Mark Ingram previous years, but IMO is way better. Has speed, power and agility. This is the guy I want really.

Another draft without a DT in the 1st or 2nd round will be a fail of massively epic proportions. Period.

No DT is worth a top 15 pick, especially with Jared Crick of Nebraska getting a season ending injury. This is why I think people will get pissy when we don't draft a DT when there is none available.

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 08:42 AM
No DT is worth a top 15 pick, especially with Jared Crick of Nebraska getting a season ending injury. This is why I think people will get pissy when we don't draft a DT when there is none available.

Thus why I said 1st or 2nd round. There will be some DTs in that range that would help us, even if we need to do some trading to make it happen. I'll say it again. Not drafting a DT in the 1st or 2nd round = epic fail by EFX.

gyldenlove
10-17-2011, 08:43 AM
I will only consider Richardson a top 10 pick if he has 4.30 speed, and I honestly doubt that.

As for drafting WR, no, we simply can not use picks on WR when it is the only position of depth we have on the team.

There is one or two DTs in the draft who may be interesting, but no CBs who have yet to display consistent top 10 value - I hope we go with one of those positions if not QB.

ColoradoDarin
10-17-2011, 08:44 AM
I can see it being Richardson, Fox loves for 2 backs to split carries and WM is only a stopgap.

HooptyHoops
10-17-2011, 08:45 AM
A starting CB is on my list....I don't watch college football, but in this passing league, you NEED corners! And we are way old in the position!

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 08:46 AM
I can see it being Richardson, Fox loves for 2 backs to split carries and WM is only a stopgap.

If we end up with a pick near the bottom of the top 10 I tend to agree. I wouldn't hate it. The guy is a pretty stellar back with a nice combination of speed and power.

NFLBRONCO
10-17-2011, 08:48 AM
We need offensive help equally to D help now. We need better talent that produces across the board.

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 08:49 AM
I will only consider Richardson a top 10 pick if he has 4.30 speed, and I honestly doubt that.

A guy with Trent Richardson's size and power doesn't need that kind of speed to be a top 10 pick come on now. Right around 4.4 to 4.45 is all it will take.

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 08:51 AM
A starting CB is on my list....I don't watch college football, but in this passing league, you NEED corners! And we are way old in the position!

Our defensive needs go like this in my eyes:

1) DT
2) MLB
3) CB
4) SS

That said, they're all pretty big needs.

NFLBRONCO
10-17-2011, 08:51 AM
If we end up with a pick near the bottom of the top 10 I tend to agree. I wouldn't hate it. The guy is a pretty stellar back with a nice combination of speed and power.

Yep

snowspot66
10-17-2011, 08:52 AM
If we have another draft like this past one that nets three instant starters and several more instant contributors then I don't give a **** what position they play. As long as they are on the field and doing well we'll eventually get this ship turned around.

HooptyHoops
10-17-2011, 08:57 AM
If we have another draft like this past one that nets three instant starters and several more instant contributors then I don't give a **** what position they play. As long as they are on the field and doing well we'll eventually get this ship turned around.

I totally agree! Just do it!!

NFLBRONCO
10-17-2011, 08:57 AM
Our defensive needs go like this in my eyes:

1) DT
2) MLB
3) CB
4) SS

That said, they're all pretty big needs.

I agree on the positions. I'd switch 2 and 3 if you draft in top 10

NFLBRONCO
10-17-2011, 08:59 AM
Seems like a heavy O year in top 10 so far but, not sure.

Lestat
10-17-2011, 09:02 AM
all he needs is 4.45-4.55 speed to be a top 15 pick. he has strength, power, keeps his pad level low, runs in a pro style offense & can take it 25-35 times a game.
I will only consider Richardson a top 10 pick if he has 4.30 speed, and I honestly doubt that.

As for drafting WR, no, we simply can not use picks on WR when it is the only position of depth we have on the team.

There is one or two DTs in the draft who may be interesting, but no CBs who have yet to display consistent top 10 value - I hope we go with one of those positions if not QB.

gyldenlove
10-17-2011, 09:07 AM
A guy with Trent Richardson's size and power doesn't need that kind of speed to be a top 10 pick come on now. Right around 4.4 to 4.45 is all it will take.

I would never ever draft a guy who can't run a 4.30 in the top 10. There is a reason Chris Johnson, Darren Mcfadden and Adrian Peterson are so good, it is speed. The slower a RB is the more he relies on having a great line in front of him and we do not have a great line.

Requiem
10-17-2011, 09:09 AM
If the scouting staff has done their due diligence as they try to act, they would know that drafting a back in this class would be absolutely stupid when next years class has all-world potential. It sucks that Lattimore tore up his knee. . .

Crushaholic
10-17-2011, 09:10 AM
We just got rid of Lloyd. We absolutely need offensive help. I'd be down with Justin Blackmon...:strong:

Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-17-2011, 09:15 AM
If Tebow manages to prove himself to the front office, I could very easily see a scenario where we draft an OT like Matt Kalil, Jonathan Martin, or Riley Reiff to use at Right Tackle on Tebow's blindside. We could then move Franklin to LG and make Beadles a super reserve. That would drastically shore up our O-line issues, leaving only some competition at OC to be found, and maybe Beadles could even provide that.

To me, that would make a lot more sense than drafting a WR, RB, or DE. Of course, I would likely still go CB since I really like Kirkpatrick, Claibrone, and Gilmore, but I could see the wisdom in drafting an elite OT prospect like the Cowboys did last year and use him on the right side.

Requiem
10-17-2011, 09:20 AM
If Tebow manages to prove himself to the front office, I could very easily see a scenario where we draft an OT like Matt Kalil, Jonathan Martin, or Riley Reiff to use at Right Tackle on Tebow's blindside. We could then move Franklin to LG and make Beadles a super reserve. That would drastically shore up our O-line issues, leaving only some competition at OC to be found, and maybe Beadles could even provide that.

To me, that would make a lot more sense than drafting a WR, RB, or DE. Of course, I would likely still go CB since I really like Kirkpatrick, Claibrone, and Gilmore, but I could see the wisdom in drafting an elite OT prospect like the Cowboys did last year and use him on the right side.

+1 -- Good thoughts MUG. I'd really like one of those three corners, but I would take an elite OT as well to shore up our issues under your scenario.

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 09:21 AM
I would never ever draft a guy who can't run a 4.30 in the top 10. There is a reason Chris Johnson, Darren Mcfadden and Adrian Peterson are so good, it is speed. The slower a RB is the more he relies on having a great line in front of him and we do not have a great line.

This post hurts my head. Adrian Peterson ran a 4.4 dude...

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 09:25 AM
If Tebow manages to prove himself to the front office, I could very easily see a scenario where we draft an OT like Matt Kalil, Jonathan Martin, or Riley Reiff to use at Right Tackle on Tebow's blindside. We could then move Franklin to LG and make Beadles a super reserve. That would drastically shore up our O-line issues, leaving only some competition at OC to be found, and maybe Beadles could even provide that.

To me, that would make a lot more sense than drafting a WR, RB, or DE. Of course, I would likely still go CB since I really like Kirkpatrick, Claibrone, and Gilmore, but I could see the wisdom in drafting an elite OT prospect like the Cowboys did last year and use him on the right side.

Not the flashy pick, and not as big a need, but I could see it. It would really help our run game overall, and that's gotta be high on Fox's list right now.

gyldenlove
10-17-2011, 09:33 AM
This post hurts my head. Adrian Peterson ran a 4.4 dude...

He was timed at 4.37 by scouts and it was hours after his brother had died.

Lestat
10-17-2011, 09:36 AM
problem is, most RB's who run that fast can't hold up for a full season or don't have the on field quicks to justify that speed.

also, McFadden is a 4.33 guy, so if 4.30 is the baseline for a top 5 pick then only Johnson would be selected top 10 in recent memory.

Richardson is a RB who knows exactly what he's supposed to do. run the damn ball! he's not flashy, but he can make you miss, but he'll get you those tough yards and wear down the defense. i'd say he's a Ricky Williams in his prime type.
I would never ever draft a guy who can't run a 4.30 in the top 10. There is a reason Chris Johnson, Darren Mcfadden and Adrian Peterson are so good, it is speed. The slower a RB is the more he relies on having a great line in front of him and we do not have a great line.

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2011, 09:42 AM
I wouldnt be upset with Richardson. I don't think we'll need another WR after Demaryius gets back in form. You can pick up a free agent to replace Royal.

RB, DT, CB, MLB, SS, DE...take the best avaliable from those positions in the draft.

Lestat
10-17-2011, 09:42 AM
i get what you're saying but Tebow needs weapons. this offense is appallingly lacking in them. Thomas is a unknown, Decker is emerging but far from a finished product, Royal has disappeared, the RB situation is in flux(how much does Willis have left in the tank?).

if you have the ability to get Tebow(assuming he is the guy and you're all in with him)a weapon on offense like Richardson,Blackmon or etc guys that could be a difference maker, you have to do it.

Tebow can move in and out of the pocket so you can get some quality OL a bit later in the draft and not hurt(if it's a stud OT then you definitely take him though). you have to surround him with all the talent you can.

If Tebow manages to prove himself to the front office, I could very easily see a scenario where we draft an OT like Matt Kalil, Jonathan Martin, or Riley Reiff to use at Right Tackle on Tebow's blindside. We could then move Franklin to LG and make Beadles a super reserve. That would drastically shore up our O-line issues, leaving only some competition at OC to be found, and maybe Beadles could even provide that.

To me, that would make a lot more sense than drafting a WR, RB, or DE. Of course, I would likely still go CB since I really like Kirkpatrick, Claibrone, and Gilmore, but I could see the wisdom in drafting an elite OT prospect like the Cowboys did last year and use him on the right side.

Ziggy
10-17-2011, 09:46 AM
Richardson runs a 4.4, benches 440, and squats 600. The guy has it all. He's the best back to come out since Adrian Peterson, and is very comparable.

TheChamp24
10-17-2011, 10:05 AM
i get what you're saying but Tebow needs weapons. this offense is appallingly lacking in them. Thomas is a unknown, Decker is emerging but far from a finished product, Royal has disappeared, the RB situation is in flux(how much does Willis have left in the tank?).

if you have the ability to get Tebow(assuming he is the guy and you're all in with him)a weapon on offense like Richardson,Blackmon or etc guys that could be a difference maker, you have to do it.

Tebow can move in and out of the pocket so you can get some quality OL a bit later in the draft and not hurt(if it's a stud OT then you definitely take him though). you have to surround him with all the talent you can.

I gotta go with this statement. We have little offensive playmakers IMO right now.
D. Thomas is an unknown, injuries and little playing time
Decker is an unknown
Royal will most likely be gone
J. Thomas is unknown
Virgil Green is unknown
McGahee doesn't have much left
Moreno is a 3rd down back

All three of Blackmon/Jeffery/Richardson are considered to be locks basically for top 10 pick. I would prefer Richardson because I think he'd provide the spark in the running game we need. Getting a solid offense that can sustain drives will help that defense too.

Lestat
10-17-2011, 10:08 AM
that post made me really sad. i knew we were bare on offense, but damn that shows it full blast.

I gotta go with this statement. We have little offensive playmakers IMO right now.
D. Thomas is an unknown, injuries and little playing time
Decker is an unknown
Royal will most likely be gone
J. Thomas is unknown
Virgil Green is unknown
McGahee doesn't have much left
Moreno is a 3rd down back

All three of Blackmon/Jeffery/Richardson are considered to be locks basically for top 10 pick. I would prefer Richardson because I think he'd provide the spark in the running game we need. Getting a solid offense that can sustain drives will help that defense too.

Mountain Bronco
10-17-2011, 02:12 PM
OP, why would Jones and Barkley return to college? Any rumor to back that up or just your opinion. I don't think Tebow is the answer and think we need to get a QB especially if Luck, Jones and Barkley come out as that will be a great QB class.

TheChamp24
10-17-2011, 02:17 PM
OP, why would Jones and Barkley return to college? Any rumor to back that up or just your opinion. I don't think Tebow is the answer and think we need to get a QB especially if Luck, Jones and Barkley come out as that will be a great QB class.

Bob Stoops is very influential on his team and Landry knows that QB's who stay are better prepared for the NFL.
If Landry wins a championship, he's gone though IMO. He's a lot like Sam Bradford though in the way he would want to come back for another shot.
Barkley is similar in that returning to USC to fine hone his skills.

Some guys get it that you need to stay to better prepare you for the NFL, some guys don't.

gunns
10-17-2011, 02:18 PM
If we take a WR in the first round it will bring about the same emotions/hyperventilation in me that taking Maddox, Lelie, and DT did. Taking a WR in the first round is one of the stupidest thing a team can do. Unless you have every other piece to the puzzle you do not take a WR in the first round. How incredibly stupid Atlanta was last year. A WR is never the reason you are going to a SB and never the reason you win it. There has only been one receiver I can think of that can do that and that is Jerry Rice. And just like we will probably never have another Elway, I have yet to see another Rice.

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2011, 02:18 PM
OP, why would Jones and Barkley return to college? Any rumor to back that up or just your opinion. I don't think Tebow is the answer and think we need to get a QB especially if Luck, Jones and Barkley come out as that will be a great QB class.

If Tebow improves on what he already is, then Denver wont think about QB at all on draft day. Next season they'll get a backup and move Weber off of the practice squad.

Tebow won't be going anywhere unless he gets worse, which I don't see happening.

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2011, 02:19 PM
Richardson runs a 4.4, benches 440, and squats 600. The guy has it all. He's the best back to come out since Adrian Peterson, and is very comparable.

I wouldn't go that far.

I don't think he's as good as McFadden, who wasn't quite Peterson himself, but was very very impressive.

I'd love to have Richardson with our first pick though. I'm with you there.

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 02:20 PM
He was timed at 4.37 by scouts and it was hours after his brother had died.

And a 4.4 at the combine. I'm sorry, but when did a 4.37 become a 4.30?

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 02:22 PM
I wouldn't go that far.

I don't think he's as good as McFadden, who wasn't quite Peterson himself, but was very very impressive.

I'd love to have Richardson with our first pick though. I'm with you there.

I think he compares very favorably to McFadden. McFadden was faster, but Richardson is a better all-around back imo. Richardson isn't quite in Adrian Peterson's league though, I agree with that. I think Richardson is a perfect pick right around #10.

Tom Brady
10-17-2011, 02:27 PM
Ryan Tannehill from Texas A&M is another option at QB as an early second rounder. He's a converted WR and has the speed/running ability that makes him similar to Tebow, except he has an NFL arm.

peacepipe
10-17-2011, 02:30 PM
all he needs is 4.45-4.55 speed to be a top 15 pick. he has strength, power, keeps his pad level low, runs in a pro style offense & can take it 25-35 times a game.

do you have any idea how long powerbacks last in the NFL with the pounding they take?

Agamemnon
10-17-2011, 02:31 PM
Ryan Tannehill from Texas A&M is another option at QB as an early second rounder. He's a converted WR and has the speed/running ability that makes him similar to Tebow, except he has an NFL arm.

::)

Tom Brady
10-17-2011, 02:35 PM
::)

Just keepin it real ;D

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2011, 02:43 PM
Just keepin it real

Real-tarded.

Tebow has a pretty strong arm, dude.

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2011, 02:44 PM
I think he compares very favorably to McFadden. McFadden was faster, but Richardson is a better all-around back imo. Richardson isn't quite in Adrian Peterson's league though, I agree with that. I think Richardson is a perfect pick right around #10.

I have a feeling that the Broncos will be drafting between 5 and 10, and that would be a reasonable place to pick Richardson.

peacepipe
10-17-2011, 02:49 PM
Real-tarded.

Tebow has a pretty strong arm, dude.

so did jeff goerge.

UberBroncoMan
10-17-2011, 02:49 PM
We need a fighter!

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epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2011, 03:02 PM
so did jeff goerge.

That's great, son.

TheReverend
10-17-2011, 03:08 PM
If the scouting staff has done their due diligence as they try to act, they would know that drafting a back in this class would be absolutely stupid when next years class has all-world potential. It sucks that Lattimore tore up his knee. . .

THIS!

broncolife
10-17-2011, 03:40 PM
I hate drafting recievers in the first 2 rounds unless they remind me of Eddy Mac

pricejj
10-17-2011, 03:46 PM
1st round watch list:

DT - Brandon Thompson - Clemson - 6'2" 310 lbs. - Only has a half sack so far his senior season , but seems to get penetration, and holds up well against the run...best of a poor class of DT's.

OT - Matt Kalil, Jonathan Martin, or Riley Reiff - all outstanding juniors, would give us an elite OL (kick Franklin in to OG).

RB - Trent Richardson - Alabama - 5'11" 224 lbs - 4.52 forty time - Dynamic player, definitely an NFL back...does EFX take the bait? I say no.

CB - Afonzo Dennard, Dre Kirkpatrick, Morris Claiborne - all first round CB's..IMO nobody worth a top 10 draft pick.

DE - Quinton Coples - NC - 6'6" 285 lbs. - Having a decent but not great year (3.5 sacks) so far, has shown some consistency. Do Broncos go BPA if this guy is still on the board?


I believe the BPA will be an OT (Kalil, Martin, or Reiff)...but it seems like a luxury pick, when you have glaring deficiencies at DT, and CB is thin. Richardson is alluring.

Super strong draft for SS in round 2-3...too bad we have drafted SS last 3 out of 4 years.

Chris
10-17-2011, 04:06 PM
I gotta go with this statement. We have little offensive playmakers IMO right now.
D. Thomas is an unknown, injuries and little playing time
Decker is an unknown
Royal will most likely be gone
J. Thomas is unknown
Virgil Green is unknown
McGahee doesn't have much left
Moreno is a 3rd down back

All three of Blackmon/Jeffery/Richardson are considered to be locks basically for top 10 pick. I would prefer Richardson because I think he'd provide the spark in the running game we need. Getting a solid offense that can sustain drives will help that defense too.

Well at least we know there are known unknowns.

WABronco
10-17-2011, 04:34 PM
so did jeff goerge.

Horrible comparison. Not even a good troll.

WABronco
10-17-2011, 04:36 PM
As for the draft, I'm really starting to subscribe to the inside-out theory of drafting/developing. Seriously, it hurts my soul to see the UFL trash we run out there in the trenches.

Vegas_Bronco
10-17-2011, 08:43 PM
Blackmon is an egotistical azz hat...this guy is the next TO. I don't want that BS anywhere near a Broncos uni.

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2011, 09:45 PM
As for the draft, I'm really starting to subscribe to the inside-out theory of drafting/developing. Seriously, it hurts my soul to see the UFL trash we run out there in the trenches.

Thats the way to do it.

If you look at the great teams, they all have strength in the trenches.

Requiem
10-17-2011, 09:48 PM
Kirkpatrick is easily a Top 10 player.

pricejj
10-17-2011, 11:41 PM
Kirkpatrick is easily a Top 10 player.

I wouldn't pick him top 10 over an elite OT (4.49 forty time, 3 career interceptions).

HAT
10-18-2011, 12:10 AM
If Tebow manages to prove himself to the front office, I could very easily see a scenario where we draft an OT like Matt Kalil

Not that I disagree with the rest of your post but you're higher than a kite if you think Denver will be in position for Kalil (Barring injury)

Durango
10-18-2011, 02:40 AM
If Tebow manages to prove himself to the front office, I could very easily see a scenario where we draft an OT like Matt Kalil, Jonathan Martin, or Riley Reiff to use at Right Tackle on Tebow's blindside. We could then move Franklin to LG and make Beadles a super reserve. That would drastically shore up our O-line issues, leaving only some competition at OC to be found, and maybe Beadles could even provide that.

To me, that would make a lot more sense than drafting a WR, RB, or DE. Of course, I would likely still go CB since I really like Kirkpatrick, Claibrone, and Gilmore, but I could see the wisdom in drafting an elite OT prospect like the Cowboys did last year and use him on the right side.

Very logical, but I would bet the ranch the Broncos draft a QB in the 1st, no matter what Tebow does the rest of the season. There are two or three top flight QBs coming out, and Elway probably believes Denver will not draft as high as they do in 2012 for quite a while.

Elway wants a franchise QB and I don't think he believes Tebow is that guy long term. He wants Luck, but Denver won't finish anywhere near the #1 slot.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-18-2011, 02:41 AM
Not that I disagree with the rest of your post but you're higher than a kite if you think Denver will be in position for Kalil (Barring injury)

Personally, I'm thinking Jonathan Martin, but I do think it's possible we are in position to draft Kalil. I mean it's certainly possible we finish worse than the Cardinals or Vikings. And Jacksonville, Indy, Miami, Carolina, and Seattle all have elite LTs already. Maybe the Rams look at an OT, with the idea of trading bust Jason Smith and moving Saffold to RT, especially if they can resign Lloyd.

But, sitting at 1 and 4, having just traded away arguably our most dynamic offensive playmaker, and with very little depth throughout our lineup, I don't really think it's a reach for someone to even predict we may be drafting #1 overall.

Mat'hir Uth Gan
10-18-2011, 02:43 AM
Very logical, but I would bet the ranch the Broncos draft a QB in the 1st, no matter what Tebow does the rest of the season. There are two or three top flight QBs coming out, and Elway probably believes Denver will not draft as high as they do in 2012 for quite a while.

Elway wants a franchise QB and I don't think he believes Tebow is that guy long term. He wants Luck, but Denver won't finish anywhere near the #1 slot.


I think if we're talking odds, I definitely agree with you. At this point, if we're picking Top 10, I think it's an upset if we don't go QB.

Agamemnon
10-18-2011, 02:52 AM
I think if we're talking odds, I definitely agree with you. At this point, if we're picking Top 10, I think it's an upset if we don't go QB.

If we draft any of these overrated Leinart clones to replace Tebow I think I'll puke. Luck I get. The rest? What the ****?

Broncoman13
10-18-2011, 07:58 AM
If we take a WR in the first round it will bring about the same emotions/hyperventilation in me that taking Maddox, Lelie, and DT did. Taking a WR in the first round is one of the stupidest thing a team can do. Unless you have every other piece to the puzzle you do not take a WR in the first round. How incredibly stupid Atlanta was last year. A WR is never the reason you are going to a SB and never the reason you win it. There has only been one receiver I can think of that can do that and that is Jerry Rice. And just like we will probably never have another Elway, I have yet to see another Rice.

Megatron says, "hi and don't forget, I came before Stafford or Suh!"

bendog
10-18-2011, 07:59 AM
What's the tebowites outrage de jour?