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vonqkilla
10-16-2011, 08:44 AM
By Mort on espn. Royal getting more interest, Patriots thinking about Lloyd too.

I'm surprised at Royal, Lloyd I knew requested one.

We cant trade both for picks, unless Harvin...

TonyR
10-16-2011, 08:45 AM
Are we to assume this is related to Tebow being named starter? Or were they unhappy before this?

HILife
10-16-2011, 08:47 AM
sigh. Why are we losing all our best players?

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 08:48 AM
Are we to assume this is related to Tebow being named starter? Or were they unhappy before this?

If it's because of Tebow, they are complete morons. Orton was playing terribly and wasn't going to be getting them the ball at all this season. Tebow isn't worse for them than Orton. In fact, Lloyd didn't become a factor in the game at all until Tebow went in.

elsid13
10-16-2011, 08:49 AM
At this point, getting picks for them might not be such a bad thing.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 08:50 AM
Personally I'm okay with trading both in theory, but not right after naming Tebow starter. Who exactly is Tebow supposed to throw to if we trade two of our top three receivers right now?

RaiderH8r
10-16-2011, 08:50 AM
If they're asking to be shipped then F'em. Royal has done squat since his rookie year. F'em.

Requiem
10-16-2011, 08:50 AM
Both of them are FA after this year. Dish them. Why would Eddie request a trade anyways?

RaiderH8r
10-16-2011, 08:52 AM
Personally I'm okay with trading both in theory, but not right after naming Tebow starter. Who exactly is Tebow supposed to throw to if we trade two of our top three receivers right now?

It's not like Royal's really been on the field that much lately. Hell, even when he's been on the field he's rarely been productive so it is either a matter of Royal stinks or the OC can't get him into favorable situations. Either way of he's not producing he needs to go. McCoy probably needs to keep his **** packed too but that should wait until after the season.

Chris
10-16-2011, 08:52 AM
Because Royal has an inflated sense of value based on a rookie season where teams didn't have film on him?

That One Guy
10-16-2011, 08:52 AM
LOL @ everyone that's been defending Royal since his rookie season.

vonqkilla
10-16-2011, 08:55 AM
Royal had a nice comeback year raiderhater. Hes a team guy in front and away from cameras. Im really shocked on Eddie, they kept this secret well. Crazy.

Captain 'Dre
10-16-2011, 08:55 AM
sigh. Why are we losing all our best players?

My guess is, these players are anticipating that the team is going to stink for a while yet to come.

Requiem
10-16-2011, 08:55 AM
Personally I'm okay with trading both in theory, but not right after naming Tebow starter. Who exactly is Tebow supposed to throw to if we trade two of our top three receivers right now?

The Broncos aren't winning anything this year. Give Thomas and Decker all the reps they can have. Tebow has been working extra hours with Willis. I expect heavy tight end involvement down the road as well.

There are plenty of #1 and #2 (even #3) option wide outs in FA. This year is incredibly deep at receiver as well in the draft.

Eddie and Lloyd were never center pieces moving forward anyway.

HILife
10-16-2011, 08:56 AM
My guess is, these players are anticipating that the team is going to stink for a while yet to come.

Or maybe this is all part of the "Suck for Luck" plan and the players are just supporting it in their own way.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 08:56 AM
Because Royal has an inflated sense of value based on a rookie season where teams didn't have film on him?

Maybe he's been reading too many posts on the Mane blowing sunshine up his ass. Hilarious!

strafen
10-16-2011, 08:57 AM
Are we to assume this is related to Tebow being named starter? Or were they unhappy before this?

Teboz is tearin' diz team apart...

TheReverend
10-16-2011, 08:57 AM
**** them both in the face

Requiem
10-16-2011, 08:59 AM
**** them both in the face

*****s them both in the face* :)

strafen
10-16-2011, 08:59 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=100634

Broncoman13
10-16-2011, 09:01 AM
I bet Eddie saw the Redskins were interested and decided to throw his name in the hat. Shanny will pick him up and he will be tearing up NFC East Defenses from day one. That could be a win/win trade for us. Eddie Royal to Shanny for a 3rd would be a deal that benefits both teams.

BTW, I love me some Eddie Royal, but he is clearly a West Coast style player. Get him to a team like the Niners or Redskins and he will be relevant again. Wish him the best of luck... he's been pretty classy here.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 09:01 AM
The Broncos aren't winning anything this year. Give Thomas and Decker all the reps they can have. Tebow has been working extra hours with Willis. I expect heavy tight end involvement down the road as well.

There are plenty of #1 and #2 (even #3) option wide outs in FA. This year is incredibly deep at receiver as well in the draft.

Eddie and Lloyd were never center pieces moving forward anyway.

That's all fine except that there's this sense that the Broncos are assessing Tebow right now, so they know whether or not they want to draft a 1st round QB. Getting rid of two of his best options as soon as he starts playing makes it seem like they are stacking the deck against him.

I don't want to jump to conclusions, but this makes me really wonder.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 09:03 AM
I bet Eddie saw the Redskins were interested and decided to throw his name in the hat. Shanny will pick him up and he will be tearing up NFC East Defenses from day one. That could be a win/win trade for us. Eddie Royal to Shanny for a 3rd would be a deal that benefits both teams.

BTW, I love me some Eddie Royal, but he is clearly a West Coast style player. Get him to a team like the Niners or Redskins and he will be relevant again. Wish him the best of luck... he's been pretty classy here.

I can't imagine the Redskins wouldn't be interested. Shanny is the only guy that has ever been able to do anything with Royal.

broncogary
10-16-2011, 09:04 AM
I can't imagine the Redskins wouldn't be interested. Shanny is the only guy that has ever been able to do anything with Royal.

We could trade him for Gaffney. :)

TheReverend
10-16-2011, 09:05 AM
I bet Eddie saw the Redskins were interested and decided to throw his name in the hat. Shanny will pick him up and he will be tearing up NFC East Defenses from day one. That could be a win/win trade for us. Eddie Royal to Shanny for a 3rd would be a deal that benefits both teams.

BTW, I love me some Eddie Royal, but he is clearly a West Coast style player. Get him to a team like the Niners or Redskins and he will be relevant again. Wish him the best of luck... he's been pretty classy here.

Rex can't throw "can't get open mcgee" open like Cutler could.

That being said ...is Chicago interested?

Broncoman13
10-16-2011, 09:06 AM
Plus I think Eddie Royal is a East Coast Guy. I know he went to VaTech, but not sure where he grew up?

TheReverend
10-16-2011, 09:07 AM
Rex can't throw "can't get open mcgee" open like Cutler could.

That being said ...is Chicago interested?

^ My bad... to clarify I'm talking about Royal. In retrospect I understand "Can't get open McGee" could refer to Royal OR Lloyd.

montrose
10-16-2011, 09:07 AM
Both going to be FAs at year's end and are probably uneasy about a guy they see sucking at practice every day throwing them the ball and dictating their next contract.

Eddie to Washington and Lloyd to St. Louis makes a lot of sense to me - but I'm not so sure both get dealt (if either, honestly).

eddie mac
10-16-2011, 09:07 AM
ag ag ag. So Miami may be playing 11 in the box against us to stop Tebow cos no **** is gonna get open down the field. This should be fun. If they did request the trades then **** em. **** em all. I just sent a tweet to Royal stating the exact same thing. Let's see if he has the balls to reply.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 09:08 AM
Both going to be FAs at year's end and are probably uneasy about a guy they see sucking at practice every day throwing them the ball and dictating their next contract.

Eddie to Washington and Lloyd to St. Louis makes a lot of sense to me - but I'm not so sure both get dealt (if either, honestly).

The same guy sucking in practice that Rahim Moore believes will lead them to a Super Bowl? Hmm...

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 09:09 AM
I bet Eddie saw the Redskins were interested and decided to throw his name in the hat. Shanny will pick him up and he will be tearing up NFC East Defenses from day one. That could be a win/win trade for us. Eddie Royal to Shanny for a 3rd would be a deal that benefits both teams.

BTW, I love me some Eddie Royal, but he is clearly a West Coast style player. Get him to a team like the Niners or Redskins and he will be relevant again. Wish him the best of luck... he's been pretty classy here.

Yeah, except for the fact that he sucks and has asked for a trade in the middle of a season because he wants a big payday.

That dude has hardly even played here since his rookie season.

This is exactly the kind of slouch, no account mentality that needs to be purged here and I'm sure that this is exactly what is happening.

The Broncos FO seems to be trying to get rid of the players who are content with getting paid and nothing more.

BroncoInferno
10-16-2011, 09:10 AM
Both going to be FAs at year's end and are probably uneasy about a guy they see sucking at practice every day throwing them the ball and dictating their next contract.

Eddie to Washington and Lloyd to St. Louis makes a lot of sense to me - but I'm not so sure both get dealt (if either, honestly).

Supposedly St. Louis only wants to give up something like a 5th. If we trade Lloyd for any less than a 3rd, then the front office got raped. I don't care if he is a UFA, you have to get value for guys and not just give them away like we did with Gaffney.

bigbucks24
10-16-2011, 09:11 AM
I bet Eddie saw the Redskins were interested and decided to throw his name in the hat. Shanny will pick him up and he will be tearing up NFC East Defenses from day one. That could be a win/win trade for us. Eddie Royal to Shanny for a 3rd would be a deal that benefits both teams.

BTW, I love me some Eddie Royal, but he is clearly a West Coast style player. Get him to a team like the Niners or Redskins and he will be relevant again. Wish him the best of luck... he's been pretty classy here.

Yeah, Schefter and Mort just had a newsy update on Countdown. Both LLoyd and Royal have asked to be traded...actually more interest in Royal from teams...Pats a possibility for Lloyd since he's seen better than Ocho and knows the NE system from McDaniels...also possibly the Rams for Lloyd altho they would only offer a 5th or 6th. Orton not going anywhere before trade deadline except if somebody's starting QB goes down today or monday.

Would you still think it's a good deal for a 5th or 6th? Have heard talk of Royal for a 3rd and Lloyd for a 2nd. Derrick Mason just went for a 7th. I know Mason is 94 years old, but I think some people might be valuing the Bronco receivers a little too much.

elsid13
10-16-2011, 09:12 AM
Plus I think Eddie Royal is a East Coast Guy. I know he went to VaTech, but not sure where he grew up?

He went to HS just outside DC in Fairfax and his folks are still here.

elsid13
10-16-2011, 09:13 AM
Supposedly St. Louis only wants to give up something like a 5th. If we trade Lloyd for any less than a 3rd, then the front office got raped. I don't care if he is a UFA, you have to get value for guys and not just give them away like we did with Gaffney.

You are overvaluing Lloyd big time. He worth about 4th max and conditional pick.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 09:14 AM
You are overvaluing Lloyd big time. He worth about 4th max and conditional pick.

No. He's worth the compensational pick that the Broncos would get for losing him as a free agent.

BroncoInferno
10-16-2011, 09:14 AM
You are overvaluing Lloyd big time. He worth about 4th max and conditional pick.

A guy who just led the league in receiving is worth at minimum a 3rd. You are undervaluing him big time.

baja
10-16-2011, 09:16 AM
My guess is they hate Fox's conservative offense style.

vancejohnson82
10-16-2011, 09:16 AM
Yeah, except for the fact that he sucks and has asked for a trade in the middle of a season because he wants a big payday.

That dude has hardly even played here since his rookie season.

This is exactly the kind of slouch, no account mentality that needs to be purged here and I'm sure that this is exactly what is happening.

The Broncos FO seems to be trying to get rid of the players who are content with getting paid and nothing more.

so this mentality is OK now...but when McDaniels did it he was a moron???

not sure whats going on with this team....and happy I can drink in a good mood today without watching my team suck another teams asshole

vonqkilla
10-16-2011, 09:16 AM
Supposedly St. Louis only wants to give up something like a 5th. If we trade Lloyd for any less than a 3rd, then the front office got raped. I don't care if he is a UFA, you have to get value for guys and not just give them away like we did with Gaffney.

Cosigned.

Im a big royal fan because hes super nice, but this is business folks. Take off glasses, and be logical.

Rather trade Eddie because he cant stay healthy, and Lloyd can help Tebow more than Eddie whose tree doesnt play to Tims strengths, at all!!!

RaiderH8r
10-16-2011, 09:17 AM
I bet Eddie saw the Redskins were interested and decided to throw his name in the hat. Shanny will pick him up and he will be tearing up NFC East Defenses from day one. That could be a win/win trade for us. Eddie Royal to Shanny for a 3rd would be a deal that benefits both teams.

BTW, I love me some Eddie Royal, but he is clearly a West Coast style player. Get him to a team like the Niners or Redskins and he will be relevant again. Wish him the best of luck... he's been pretty classy here.

We traded Gaffney to the Skins for a guy who is sucking hind tit as the FNG on a landscaping crew in Denver. Shanny would send us their ADA compliant front desk phone operator for Lloyd and have Xanders thinking we came away ahead in the deal. Xanders and Ellis should be locked in a cage with AIDS spitting cobras.

Just a reminder; I do everything...EVERYTHING better than Xanders. He's f'ing useless. He's worse than useless...he's Matt Millen.

NFLBRONCO
10-16-2011, 09:17 AM
I'm not surprised about Royal because I've mentioned a few times he looked totally checked out like he doesn't enjoy it here anymore.

barryr
10-16-2011, 09:19 AM
The trade deadline is close and doubtful there will be that many teams wanting a WR that badly to give up a higher type of pick, so will be hard to pump up trade values by comparing offers.

The Broncos do need picks and not for Luck either. They still lack CB, a RB, DL, help at WR since Lloyd and Royal will both be gone by the start of next season, depth at OL and QB depth even if Tebow shows he can play.

baja
10-16-2011, 09:19 AM
BTW how do we know either one asked for a trade did we hear this on the Lite Rail?

eddie mac
10-16-2011, 09:19 AM
Is it any coincidence that since Tebow came in Decker's been mouthing to the media and the other 2 decent WR's have requested trades. **** they love God dont they.

elsid13
10-16-2011, 09:20 AM
A guy who just led the league in receiving is worth at minimum a 3rd. You are undervaluing him big time.

He is 30 years, a FA at the end of the year and history of not playing well after he gets paid. We are looking at 4th rounder and late round comp pick depending on how he plays and if he resigns.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 09:21 AM
My guess is they hate Fox's conservative offense style.

That makes more sense than the Tebow thing. Especially with talk of becoming even more conservative from here on out. ugh!~

montrose
10-16-2011, 09:21 AM
BTW how do we know either one asked for a trade did we hear this on the Lite Rail?

Schefter reported this morning both requested trades.

BroncoInferno
10-16-2011, 09:21 AM
He is 30 years, a FA at the end of the year and history of not playing well after he gets paid. We are looking at 4th rounder and late round comp pick depending on how he plays and if he resigns.

30 is not ancient, he probably still has 3 or 4 top years in the tank. I hope the front office does not share your mentality. Anything less than a 3rd is bad move, period.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 09:22 AM
Is it any coincidence that since Tebow came in Decker's been mouthing to the media and the other 2 decent WR's have requested trades. **** they love God dont they.

I guess they really liked the hookers and blow in Vegas...

barryr
10-16-2011, 09:23 AM
Is it any coincidence that since Tebow came in Decker's been mouthing to the media and the other 2 decent WR's have requested trades. **** they love God dont they.

How many passes did Royal catch from Orton?

Requiem
10-16-2011, 09:24 AM
30 is not ancient, he probably still has 3 or 4 top years in the tank. I hope the front office does not share your mentality. Anything less than a 3rd is bad move, period.

He is not going to sign here after this season. Teams know that. The only way we get high compensation for either of these guys (especially Lloyd) is if the team attempting to trade for him can secure a deal on him past this season. Nobody is going to trade a decent pick for a half a season rental.

BroncoInferno
10-16-2011, 09:26 AM
He is not going to sign here after this season. Teams know that. The only way we get high compensation for either of these guys (especially Lloyd) is if the team attempting to trade for him can secure a deal on him past this season. Nobody is going to trade a decent pick for a half a season rental.

That's fine. Then you don't trade him. We could probably get a 3rd round comp pick just by letting him ride out the contract and sign elsewhere.

CEH
10-16-2011, 09:26 AM
Royal's request seems to dovetail very nicely into the Harvin to Denver rumors. They are the same player but one is on contract through 2013 the other a FA. Just sayin

BMarsh615
10-16-2011, 09:27 AM
Tim Tebow is tearing this team apart!

Requiem
10-16-2011, 09:28 AM
That's fine. Then you don't trade him. We could probably get a 3rd round comp pick just by letting him ride out the contract and sign elsewhere.

It's possible, but it isn't a certainty. It would depend on how much he signs for and who we all sign.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 09:29 AM
Royal's request seems to dovetail very nicely into the Harvin to Denver rumors. They are the same player but one is on contract through 2013 the other a FA. Just sayin

And one is really good and the other isn't...

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 09:29 AM
Royal's request seems to dovetail very nicely into the Harvin to Denver rumors. They are the same player but one is on contract through 2013 the other a FA. Just sayin

That would be nice. Harvin is a better fit.

At this point, I don't have any faith in the Broncos brain trust to actually make a deal like that where the Broncos dont lose assets, but make a deal that actually exchanges asset for asset.

BroncoInferno
10-16-2011, 09:30 AM
It's possible, but it isn't a certainty. It would depend on how much he signs for and who we all sign.

Yeah, but if SoCal is right then we probably aren't going to spend much money this offseason anyway.

Broncoman13
10-16-2011, 09:30 AM
We traded Gaffney to the Skins for a guy who is sucking hind tit as the FNG on a landscaping crew in Denver. Shanny would send us their ADA compliant front desk phone operator for Lloyd and have Xanders thinking we came away ahead in the deal. Xanders and Ellis should be locked in a cage with AIDS spitting cobras.

Just a reminder; I do everything...EVERYTHING better than Xanders. He's f'ing useless. He's worse than useless...he's Matt Millen.

That's why you have to get picks not players. That being said, I have been wondering for a while why we need so many receivers with this lame brain offense we are going to be running. Lloyd, Royal, Decker, Bey Bey, Orange Julius... our strength (when healthy) is not going to do us much good when we have a philosophy that doesn't include airing the ball out to all of these guys.

Here is what sucks the most to me. I think John Fox' style of offense has been played out. Very few teams can be successful in today's game without spreading the defense and taking advantage of the rules that benefit passing teams. Take a look at some of the recent SB teams. Pats, Colts, Saints, even the Steelers are a passing team now. John Fox is behind the times I am afraid and by the time everyone realizes it, we will have ridded ourselves of the players that could have been used to spread the ball out.

At this point, even if we suck for Luck and end up drafting him next year... he isn't going to air the ball out. He's going to be a hand off machine. The real problem here, John Fox needs to be separated from the offense... and McCoy isn't the answer either.

Get a stud offensive coordinator that can develop a QB. Look at what Norv Turner has done for QBs over his career. Chan Gailey made Kordel Stewart a Pro-bowler. An offensive coordinator can go a long way toward turning a QB into a winner.

MacGruder
10-16-2011, 09:31 AM
Does anyone remember receivers asking to be traded when Vick and Vince Young came into the league?

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 09:33 AM
That's why you have to get picks not players. That being said, I have been wondering for a while why we need so many receivers with this lame brain offense we are going to be running. Lloyd, Royal, Decker, Bey Bey, Orange Julius... our strength (when healthy) is not going to do us much good when we have a philosophy that doesn't include airing the ball out to all of these guys.

Here is what sucks the most to me. I think John Fox' style of offense has been played out. Very few teams can be successful in today's game without spreading the defense and taking advantage of the rules that benefit passing teams. Take a look at some of the recent SB teams. Pats, Colts, Saints, even the Steelers are a passing team now. John Fox is behind the times I am afraid and by the time everyone realizes it, we will have ridded ourselves of the players that could have been used to spread the ball out.

At this point, even if we suck for Luck and end up drafting him next year... he isn't going to air the ball out. He's going to be a hand off machine. The real problem here, John Fox needs to be separated from the offense... and McCoy isn't the answer either.

Get a stud offensive coordinator that can develop a QB. Look at what Norv Turner has done for QBs over his career. Chan Gailey made Kordel Stewart a Pro-bowler. An offensive coordinator can go a long way toward turning a QB into a winner.

It's becoming more and more apparent with each passing week that John Fox is a coach that is behind the times and just plain sucks in today's NFL. God why couldn't we have hired Harbaugh?

THE719!
10-16-2011, 09:34 AM
BTW there has been no quotes by either player that they want to be traded.... soooooo..... someone is wanting to start ****

vonqkilla
10-16-2011, 09:35 AM
I like what Allen is doing on D, but Mccoy needs to show something with Tebow.

Production, creativity, aggressiveness.

RaiderH8r
10-16-2011, 09:36 AM
It's becoming more and more apparent with each passing week that John Fox is a coach that is behind the times and just plain sucks in today's NFL. God why couldn't we have hired Harbaugh?

Because Xanders was in the room and Harbaugh is a guy who wants to have a future in this league and he recognizes anything affiliated with Xanders is going to be turned to sheet. Xanders is like Midas...only with turds instead of gold.

CEH
10-16-2011, 09:37 AM
Gaffney was a salary dump. Nothing more nothing else. The fact is nobody was offering picks for Gaffney. I'm glad he's gone. He isn't part of a longer term plan. How many times can you squat down in a zone and catch the ball. He had 200+ yards against KC one year he was virtually invisible in the outcome of the game.

RaiderH8r
10-16-2011, 09:37 AM
I like what Allen is doing on D, but Mccoy needs to show something with Tebow.

Production, creativity, aggressiveness.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/08/19/article-1046684-0359B67D0000044D-63_468x265.jpg

Production? Creativity? Mike McCoy craves not these things.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 09:38 AM
That's why you have to get picks not players. That being said, I have been wondering for a while why we need so many receivers with this lame brain offense we are going to be running. Lloyd, Royal, Decker, Bey Bey, Orange Julius... our strength (when healthy) is not going to do us much good when we have a philosophy that doesn't include airing the ball out to all of these guys.

Here is what sucks the most to me. I think John Fox' style of offense has been played out. Very few teams can be successful in today's game without spreading the defense and taking advantage of the rules that benefit passing teams. Take a look at some of the recent SB teams. Pats, Colts, Saints, even the Steelers are a passing team now. John Fox is behind the times I am afraid and by the time everyone realizes it, we will have ridded ourselves of the players that could have been used to spread the ball out.

At this point, even if we suck for Luck and end up drafting him next year... he isn't going to air the ball out. He's going to be a hand off machine. The real problem here, John Fox needs to be separated from the offense... and McCoy isn't the answer either.

Get a stud offensive coordinator that can develop a QB. Look at what Norv Turner has done for QBs over his career. Chan Gailey made Kordel Stewart a Pro-bowler. An offensive coordinator can go a long way toward turning a QB into a winner.

Trends change. Manning, Brady, and Brees are all getting older. The Steelers arent necessarily a passing offense, but have had a lot of success running the ball.

I have no problem with the team moving toward a ball control offense as long as they invest in the pieces necessary to get the job done. I have never been a fan of the prissy pampered QB anyway. I'd rather watch an OL grind out 5 yards a carry and dominate the clock.

RaiderH8r
10-16-2011, 09:38 AM
Gaffney was a salary dump. Nothing more nothing else. The fact is nobody was offering picks for Gaffney. I'm glad he's gone. He isn't part of a longer term plan. How many times can you squat down in a zone and catch the ball. He had 200+ yards against KC one year he was virtually invisible in the outcome of the game.

Xanders=trade rape.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 09:39 AM
Because Xanders was in the room and Harbaugh is a guy who wants to have a future in this league and he recognizes anything affiliated with Xanders is going to be turned to sheet. Xanders is like Midas...only with turds instead of gold.

I doubt having a completely unqualified guy like Elway running things was too appealing either...

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 09:40 AM
BTW there has been no quotes by either player that they want to be traded.... soooooo..... someone is wanting to start ****

Thats possible.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 09:41 AM
Trends change. Manning, Brady, and Brees are all getting older. The Steelers arent necessarily a passing offense, but have had a lot of success running the ball.

I have no problem with the team moving toward a ball control offense as long as they invest in the pieces necessary to get the job done. I have never been a fan of the prissy pampered QB anyway. I'd rather watch an OL grind out 5 yards a carry and dominate the clock.

The problem is that the rules favor passing over running nowadays. Trying to win with a run first offense is like swimming up stream. Teams still need some balance, but the passing game trumps the running game in today's NFL.

RaiderH8r
10-16-2011, 09:42 AM
I doubt having a completely unqualified guy like Elway running things was too appealing either...

I don't necessarily disagree but I'm going to triage the FO FAIL. Elway brings his name to the game and that has some cache' but I think the longer Xanders hangs around the bigger the hit on Elway's cred.

DENVERDUI55
10-16-2011, 09:42 AM
Royal isn't worth a PBR big boy. That being said he isn't worth much to Denver either he can't stay on the field. He has had 3 games worth noting. Rookie year opener, SD hochuli game and against Cleveland. If we could get a pick for him it would be worth it. Take your losses and move on.

barryr
10-16-2011, 09:42 AM
Royal, like Lloyd, probably sees the chances of being re-signed are slim. His production has not been good for awhile now and probably does not see that changing the rest of this season, so wants a fresh start. For all the speed Royal is said to have, he played much slower as a Bronco.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 09:43 AM
The problem is that the rules favor passing over running nowadays. Trying to win with a run first offense is like swimming up stream. Teams still need some balance, but the passing game trumps the running game in today's NFL.

That trend is tied directly to the QB's who are in the league.

I'll take Terrell Davis and 2K over Peyton Manning 10 out of 10 times.

THE719!
10-16-2011, 09:45 AM
and to add on to that it's I know Adam Schefter is a great reporter.... but he can almost say anything that revolves with the broncos right now it will be made in to a story

DENVERDUI55
10-16-2011, 09:45 AM
I like what Allen is doing on D, but Mccoy needs to BE SHOWN THE DOORwith Tebow.

Production, creativity, aggressiveness.

There we go.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 09:46 AM
There we go.

Get used to it.

Hamrob
10-16-2011, 09:46 AM
I'm fine with this. Neither player will be back next season any way. They should try and ship Orton out as part of the deal:

Orton, $3m cash, Royal for Harvin and a 5th round pick

Lloyd to St. Louis or Tenn. for a 4th round pick

That would be absolutely fantastic. That would leave us with Bey-bey, Decker, Harvin, Willis to go a long with Thomas, Fells & Green at Tight End. We would be set.

Let's go Xanders...make it happen!!!

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 09:48 AM
That trend is tied directly to the QB's who are in the league.

I'll take Terrell Davis and 2K over Peyton Manning 10 out of 10 times.

Peyton Manning-caliber QBs are a dime a dozen compared to Terrell Davis. There is no back in the league right now that produces yards and points that directly contribute to wins like Terrell Davis did. If we had a back like that, I'd agree, but we don't. Tebow has far more potential to become an offense-carrying player than any RB we have on the roster right now, and barring an amazing pickup in next year's draft that isn't going to change any time soon.

robbieopperude
10-16-2011, 09:50 AM
John Fox has made us alot more competitive in games so far. Well accept the Green Bay game. I really feel if Tebow had started from game 1 we would be 4-1 right now.

As far as the trades go I would be happy to get a 3rd for Loyd or Royal. A couple of number 3's and we will be in good shape in the draft for next year.

I am thinking D.Thomas is going to look pretty good for us in a few weeks and Decker has been awesome so far.

baja
10-16-2011, 09:51 AM
After rolling the dice on McDaniels the Broncos (brian?) trust wanted stability and another word for stability is boring. Fox is boring his brand of football is boring and the Broncos are boring.

If we wanted 500 football we should have kept Shanahan. Maybe he would have gotten a second wind and a GM he's listen to.

Hell we'd be better off with a reigned in McD than "Don't bother me it's nap time" Fox.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 09:51 AM
I'm fine with this. Neither player will be back next season any way. They should try and ship Orton out as part of the deal:

Orton, $3m cash, Royal for Harvin and a 5th round pick

Lloyd to St. Louis or Tenn. for a 4th round pick

That would be absolutely fantastic. That would leave us with Bey-bey, Decker, Harvin, Willis to go a long with Thomas, Fells & Green at Tight End. We would be set.

Let's go Xanders...make it happen!!!

I'm in. Make it happen, hamrob.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 09:55 AM
Peyton Manning-caliber QBs are a dime a dozen compared to Terrell Davis. There is no back in the league right now that produces yards and points that directly contribute to wins like Terrell Davis did. If we had a back like that, I'd agree, but we don't. Tebow has far more potential to become an offense-carrying player than any RB we have on the roster right now, and barring an amazing pickup in next year's draft that isn't going to change any time soon.

Could Trent Richardson be that back?

You need the combination of a great back and a great OL to do what Davis did. Our OL is getting better in the run game by the week. Not to say they'd be great, but Clady, Franklin, Walton, and Kuper are all good relatively young players.

Dominating the ground game is ultimately the best possible way to do things because its the most physically demanding and psychologically deflating way to beat a team. If you dominate in the run game, by the fourth quarter teams can give up. It is also the best possible thing you could do to improve your passing game.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 09:57 AM
Could Trent Richardson be that back?

You need the combination of a great back and a great OL to do what Davis did. Our OL is getting better in the run game by the week.

Dominating the ground game is ultimately the best possible way to do things because its the most physically demanding and psychologically deflating way to beat a team. If you dominate in the run game, by the fourth quarter teams can give up. It is also the best possible thing you could do to improve your passing game.

But we weren't a conservative ball control team back then. We had a dynamic passing game as well. What Fox seems to want to do is not what we did in the Super Bowl years. Not even close.

baja
10-16-2011, 09:59 AM
Could Trent Richardson be that back?

You need the combination of a great back and a great OL to do what Davis did. Our OL is getting better in the run game by the week. Not to say they'd be great, but Clady, Franklin, Walton, and Kuper are all good relatively young players.

Dominating the ground game is ultimately the best possible way to do things because its the most physically demanding and psychologically deflating way to beat a team. If you dominate in the run game, by the fourth quarter teams can give up. It is also the best possible thing you could do to improve your passing game.

Tom Brady & and Payton Manning winners of a large slice of recent Super Bowls don't agree with.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 09:59 AM
After rolling the dice on McDaniels the Broncos (brian?) trust wanted stability and another word for stability is boring. Fox is boring his brand of football is boring and the Broncos are boring.

If we wanted 500 football we should have kept Shanahan. Maybe he would have gotten a second wind and a GM he's listen to.

Hell we'd be better off with a reigned in McD than "Don't bother me it's nap time" Fox.

Yet Tebow is anything but boring. It's almost as if that offends Fox's sensibilities. Hilarious!

McDman
10-16-2011, 10:01 AM
I'm never buying another active player's jersey again.

Jay3
10-16-2011, 10:03 AM
Both are gone after this year, and both probably won't be retained. Lloyd because the price tag will be too high, and Royal because he just hasn't found a niche to be valuable.

I don't think Royal has ever liked Tebow, just from his body language when Tebow threw him dirt-dobbers.

baja
10-16-2011, 10:05 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if Tebow asked for a trade.

Why in the world Elway went out and hired a Dan Reeves double I will never know.

I fear the Broncos are going to suck for a long time....

Broncoman13
10-16-2011, 10:05 AM
That trend is tied directly to the QB's who are in the league.

I'll take Terrell Davis and 2K over Peyton Manning 10 out of 10 times.

Last year, of the top 5 rushers in the NFL only one made the playoffs... Jamaal Charles and they didn't do much once they got there.

As for the Steelers, very much a passing team now. Last year, Big Ben averaged 32 passing attempts per game. This year, 34. In 2009, 33.7 per game. For perspective, Tom Brady's record breaking season in which he threw for 50 TDs and 4800 yards, 36 attempts per game (avg.).

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:07 AM
Both are gone after this year, and both probably won't be retained. Lloyd because the price tag will be too high, and Royal because he just hasn't found a niche to be valuable.

I don't think Royal has ever liked Tebow, just from his body language when Tebow threw him dirt-dobbers.

Look at Steve Smith with Cam Newton...thats a player who still goes out and busts his butt to make plays even though hes playing with a young developmental QB.

vonqkilla
10-16-2011, 10:08 AM
Just dound this quote. Not sure whose seen it.

Lloyd said Denver's offensive doctrine was the primary culprit, suggesting the coaching staff was "staying true to the philosophy of running the ball. I think we've kind of gotten in game management mode, as opposed to an aggressive, take-control mode. I think that's what has limited us."

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:09 AM
Last year, of the top 5 rushers in the NFL only one made the playoffs... Jamaal Charles and they didn't do much once they got there.

As for the Steelers, very much a passing team now. Last year, Big Ben averaged 32 passing attempts per game. This year, 34. In 2009, 33.7 per game. For perspective, Tom Brady's record breaking season in which he threw for 50 TDs and 4800 yards, 36 attempts per game (avg.).

That's also characteristic of the talent that is in the NFL today.

There is one, maybe two top quality backs in the league. Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson. Neither of whom are on the level of the greats.

rbackfactory80
10-16-2011, 10:09 AM
I didn't know Eddie Royal still played for the Broncos. I thought he hung it up.

Who cares, dude is a scrub. Only place he will ever have success is in the slot for a team with a great QB. Maybe the Saints or Patriots.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:10 AM
Just dound this quote. Not sure whose seen it.

Lloyd said Denver's offensive doctrine was the primary culprit, suggesting the coaching staff was "staying true to the philosophy of running the ball. I think we've kind of gotten in game management mode, as opposed to an aggressive, take-control mode. I think that's what has limited us."

Translates to "Fox is asking me to block. Im not about to get my soft hands crinkled while blocking when I need them supple for the next glamour catch."

Gone are the days of Rod Smith.

Boobs McGee
10-16-2011, 10:11 AM
I'm never buying another active player's jersey again.

I'm the exact opposite. I bought a champ jersey a while back, big contract. Tebow jersey this year....boom. starter.

The REAL question here is, who's jersey should I buy next?

Br0nc0Buster
10-16-2011, 10:11 AM
That's also characteristic of the talent that is in the NFL today.

There is one, maybe two top quality backs in the league. Adrian Peterson and Chris Johnson. Neither of whom are on the level of the greats.

ugh yeah they are
Johnson is one of the few to ever rush for 2000 yards in a season

and Peterson will be in the hall of fame when he retires barring a serious injury

Bronx33
10-16-2011, 10:11 AM
If they dont want to be here i say go riddance stuff like this effect performance.

Br0nc0Buster
10-16-2011, 10:12 AM
I'm the exact opposite. I bought a champ jersey a while back, big contract. Tebow jersey this year....boom. starter.

The REAL question here is, who's jersey should I buy next?

Nate Irving?

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 10:14 AM
Just dound this quote. Not sure whose seen it.

Lloyd said Denver's offensive doctrine was the primary culprit, suggesting the coaching staff was "staying true to the philosophy of running the ball. I think we've kind of gotten in game management mode, as opposed to an aggressive, take-control mode. I think that's what has limited us."

Like I said, the offense is the most likely reason that Lloyd and Royal want out, especially with reports coming out saying we're actually going to get more conservative from here on out (just shoot me now).

KO5K
10-16-2011, 10:16 AM
Tebow's named started and within a week two of our receivers have requested trades.

I'm pretty impressed by the lack of meltdown on here, to me it speaks volumes about how our players view Tebow as a QB and their views on the offensive system.

Anyway you look at it, it doesn't bode well for our franchise.

TheReverend
10-16-2011, 10:16 AM
That trend is tied directly to the QB's who are in the league.

I'll take Terrell Davis and 2K over Peyton Manning 10 out of 10 times.

Peyton Manning-caliber QBs are a dime a dozen compared to Terrell Davis. There is no back in the league right now that produces yards and points that directly contribute to wins like Terrell Davis did. If we had a back like that, I'd agree, but we don't. Tebow has far more potential to become an offense-carrying player than any RB we have on the roster right now, and barring an amazing pickup in next year's draft that isn't going to change any time soon.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u137/XxU2girlyxX/gifs/tumblr_leqckoYcfd1qc33rm.gif

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 10:16 AM
If they dont want to be here i say go riddance stuff like this effect performance.

The worse we get and the longer we are a bad team, the less anyone is going to want to be here. If I was a player I certainly wouldn't want to be in Denver right now.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:16 AM
ugh yeah they are
Johnson is one of the few to ever rush for 2000 yards in a season

and Peterson will be in the hall of fame when he retires barring a serious injury

There is a huge difference between Johnson and guys like Davis or Sanders.

Peterson may or may not be in the HOF and isnt anywhere near the player Davis was in Davis' prime.

Neither Johnson or Peterson have accomplished anything in terms of winning.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 10:18 AM
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u137/XxU2girlyxX/gifs/tumblr_leqckoYcfd1qc33rm.gif

Hey Rev, please list the running backs that are in Terrell Davis' league that are playing right now. I can list almost half a dozen current QBs that are on par with Peyton Manning.

vonqkilla
10-16-2011, 10:19 AM
The REAL question here is, who's jersey should I buy next?

Really????

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:19 AM
NFL Today's Casserly on the reason the Broncos are looking to trade Lloyd - Lloyd has had confrontations with the coaching staff.

Also, Tebow has had a good week of practice

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 10:20 AM
Tebow's named started and within a week two of our receivers have requested trades.

I'm pretty impressed by the lack of meltdown on here, to me it speaks volumes about how our players view Tebow as a QB and their views on the offensive system.

Anyway you look at it, it doesn't bode well for our franchise.

When you have other players coming out and saying he'll lead us to a Super Bowl eventually? Yeah, I'm not seeing it...

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:20 AM
Hey Rev, please list the running backs that are in Terrell Davis' league that are playing right now. I can list almost half a dozen current QBs that are on par with Peyton Manning.

Jamal Charles and LaGarette Blount. Hilarious!

vonqkilla
10-16-2011, 10:20 AM
Decker and 88 are no big tebow guys.

Goobzilla
10-16-2011, 10:21 AM
Kind of interesting on NFL today, Casserly said Lloyd has had recent confrontations with the coaching staff. Move him out.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:21 AM
Tebow's named started and within a week two of our receivers have requested trades.

I'm pretty impressed by the lack of meltdown on here, to me it speaks volumes about how our players view Tebow as a QB and their views on the offensive system.

Anyway you look at it, it doesn't bode well for our franchise.

Casserly on NFL Today just said that theyre trading Lloyd because he has had problems with the coaching staff.

See ya Lloyd.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:22 AM
Decker and 88 are no big tebow guys.

Dont matter.

Br0nc0Buster
10-16-2011, 10:22 AM
There is a huge difference between Johnson and guys like Davis or Sanders.

Peterson may or may not be in the HOF and isnt anywhere near the player Davis was in Davis' prime.

Neither Johnson or Peterson have accomplished anything in terms of winning.

Ok so Peterson and Johnson havent "won", but Sanders did?

Ok....

Archer81
10-16-2011, 10:23 AM
Drama is dramatic.


:Broncos:

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 10:23 AM
NFL Today's Casserly on the reason the Broncos are looking to trade Lloyd - Lloyd has had confrontations with the coaching staff.

Also, Tebow has had a good week of practice

That certainly helps his trade value. ::)

baja
10-16-2011, 10:23 AM
Tim Tebow is tearing this team apart!

Ha Ha In a way he is.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 10:24 AM
Ok so Peterson and Johnson havent "won", but Sanders did?

Ok....

Sanders never performed at Terrell Davis' level either. Almost no back ever has.

baja
10-16-2011, 10:24 AM
That certainly helps his trade value. ::)


There is a reason he has only looked good in McD's offense.

TheReverend
10-16-2011, 10:25 AM
Hey Rev, please list the running backs that are in Terrell Davis' league that are playing right now. I can list almost half a dozen current QBs that are on par with Peyton Manning.

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u137/XxU2girlyxX/gifs/tumblr_leqckoYcfd1qc33rm.gif

KO5K
10-16-2011, 10:25 AM
When you have other players coming out and saying he'll lead us to a Super Bowl eventually? Yeah, I'm not seeing it...

Yeah I think I stand corrected.

Just read that Lloyd and Royal's agents told EFX their intentions before Orton was benched.

Feel a bit better that it's not down to Tebow, but at the same time knowing the players think such little of the coaching schemes is pretty disheartening.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 10:26 AM
Decker and 88 are no big tebow guys.

Okay this is getting out of hand. Most of our players really like Tebow. Nothing Decker or Thomas have ever said has ever indicated they don't like Tebow.

Br0nc0Buster
10-16-2011, 10:26 AM
Ive been saying for a while Agememnon or whatever is a troll from someone's second account

half a dozen qbs "on par" with Peyton Manning

L
O
L

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 10:27 AM
Yeah I think I stand corrected.

Just read that Lloyd and Royal's agents told EFX their intentions before Orton was benched.

Feel a bit better that it's not down to Tebow, but at the same time knowing the players think such little of the coaching schemes is pretty disheartening.

I'd be shocked if any receiver thought much of our offensive schemes. They're ****, and they're apparently going to get worse from here on out.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:29 AM
Ok so Peterson and Johnson havent "won", but Sanders did?

Ok....

Sanders had several winning seasons despite playing on horrible teams with horrible coaches and horrible QB's. Barry took the Lions to the playoffs 5 out of 10 seasons.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det/

Comparing those guys to Barry Sanders is ridiculous.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 10:29 AM
Ive been saying for a while Agememnon or whatever is a troll from someone's second account

half a dozen qbs "on par" with Peyton Manning

L
O
L

I said nearly half a dozen. Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Philip Rivers (not so much this year), and Ben Roethlisberger off the top of my head (though this one is a stretch I'll admit). How many backs in TD's league right now? Zero.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:30 AM
Ive been saying for a while Agememnon or whatever is a troll from someone's second account

half a dozen qbs "on par" with Peyton Manning

L
O
L

Rogers
Brady
Brees

...half of half a dozen.

McDman
10-16-2011, 10:31 AM
I said nearly half a dozen. Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Philip Rivers (not so much this year), and Ben Roethlisberger off the top of my head (though this one is a stretch I'll admit). How many backs in TD's league right now? Zero.

Rivers and Roethlisberger are not on par with Manning. Manning is going to go down as one of the greatest QBs ever.

Elway 4 Life
10-16-2011, 10:31 AM
Sanders never performed at Terrell Davis' level either. Almost no back ever has.
Sanders never had any talent around him either. Makes his accomplishments that much more impressive. Sanders is on the shortest list of greatest rb of all time.

lonestar
10-16-2011, 10:32 AM
sigh. Why are we losing all our best players?

so who have we lost?

Or did I miss something..

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:32 AM
.

Feel a bit better that it's not down to Tebow, but at the same time knowing the players think such little of the coaching schemes is pretty disheartening.

I have no problem with shedding glamour boy flavor clowns.

Lloyd and Royal both have revealed themselves to be just that.

Those arent the type of players you want to give big contracts to anyway.

Thats actually encouraging to know that the Broncos are moving on from those kinds of players.

Br0nc0Buster
10-16-2011, 10:33 AM
Sanders had several winning seasons despite playing on horrible teams with horrible coaches and horrible QB's. Barry took the Lions to the playoffs 5 out of 10 seasons.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det/

Comparing those guys to Barry Sanders is ridiculous.

Im not comparing them to specific players, Im saying the way the are going they will be among the "greats" when they retire

But using wins or playoff success as an indicator for a RB is really stupid

Adrian and Chris have "won" some things, they are called rushing titles

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:34 AM
Sanders never had any talent around him either. Makes his accomplishments that much more impressive. Sanders is on the shortest list of greatest rb of all time.

Even in TD's best year, Barry barely edged him out in rushing yardage.

Barry was on another level and we havent seen a back like him since he left.

KO5K
10-16-2011, 10:34 AM
Thats actually encouraging to know that the Broncos are moving on from those kinds of players.

Except it's not the Broncos moving on from those players, it's those players moving on from the Broncos.

Even if they were the ****test players on the team, if they request a trade because they think the coaching schemes are so ****, you have a problem.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 10:34 AM
Rivers and Roethlisberger are not on par with Manning. Manning is going to go down as one of the greatest QBs ever.

Rivers absolutely is if you are looking at production. Or at least he has been so far. Roethlisberger? Yeah he's a notch below, but he's won more Super Bowls.

lonestar
10-16-2011, 10:34 AM
If it's because of Tebow, they are complete morons. Orton was playing terribly and wasn't going to be getting them the ball at all this season. Tebow isn't worse for them than Orton. In fact, Lloyd didn't become a factor in the game at all until Tebow went in.

Great post,

I suspect that they are thinking their numbers are going to go down because Fox like to ruin the ball..

But then until they see their up coming contracts why should they be concerned.

As for Eddie I like the kid, but after a great rookie season well he has not set the world on fire.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:35 AM
Im not comparing them to specific players, Im saying the way the are going they will be among the "greats" when they retire

But using wins or playoff success as an indicator for a RB is really stupid

Adrian and Chris have "won" some things, they are called rushing titles

Rushing titles were commonplace for Barry.

I watched Barry from college through his career, and saw Peterson even more. Peterson isnt close to Barry's league. Barry is arguably the GOAT. Adrian is not anywhere close to that conversation.

Br0nc0Buster
10-16-2011, 10:37 AM
I said nearly half a dozen. Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Philip Rivers (not so much this year), and Ben Roethlisberger off the top of my head (though this one is a stretch I'll admit). How many backs in TD's league right now? Zero.

Right thats like saying Elway wasnt as good because guys like Aikman, Montana, and Marino were "on par" with him when he played

If every team had a qb as good as Rodgers and Brady that still wouldnt change the fact that Peyton Manning is one of the best players to ever play in the NFL

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:38 AM
Except it's not the Broncos moving on from those players, it's those players moving on from the Broncos.

Even if they were the ****test players on the team, if they request a trade because they think the coaching schemes are so ****, you have a problem.

It sounds like they just want the ball more.

Here's what Id say to that if I was Fox: "Every time you pancake a player on a rushing down, I'll call your number in the passing game. Other than that, shut up and get back to the huddle instead of preening yourself after you catch the ball. Now...dont speak to me unless spoken to, receiver."

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 10:38 AM
Even in TD's best year, Barry barely edged him out in rushing yardage.

Barry was on another level and we havent seen a back like him since he left.

Terrell Davis > Barry Sanders, unless you prefer exciting plays to consistent yardage and dominance of playoff opponents. But then again, I'm also way on the Emmit side of the Emmit/Barry debate. I was never that impressed with Barry Sanders. Probably the best pure runner/athlete of all time, but not even close as a complete back.

Br0nc0Buster
10-16-2011, 10:40 AM
Rushing titles were commonplace for Barry.

I watched Barry from college through his career, and saw Peterson even more. Peterson isnt close to Barry's league. Barry is arguably the GOAT. Adrian is not anywhere close to that conversation.

ok so he isnt as good as arguably the best running back ever, but I still stand by my point if Johnson and Peterson continue their success they will both be first ballot locks, and that is what I would consider in the category of the "greats"

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 10:41 AM
Right thats like saying Elway wasnt as good because guys like Aikman, Montana, and Marino were "on par" with him when he played

If every team had a qb as good as Rodgers and Brady that still wouldnt change the fact that Peyton Manning is one of the best players to ever play in the NFL

Meh. Manning is far more like Marino than Elway as far as I'm concerned. Not sure I follow your reasoning here.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:41 AM
ok so he isnt as good as arguably the best running back ever, but I still stand by my point if Johnson and Peterson continue their success they will both be first ballot locks, and that is what I would consider in the category of the "greats"

Niether have the consistency or the results in big games to be first ballot locks.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:43 AM
Terrell Davis > Barry Sanders, unless you prefer exciting plays to consistent yardage and dominance of playoff opponents. But then again, I'm also way on the Emmit side of the Emmit/Barry debate. I was never that impressed with Barry Sanders. Probably the best pure runner/athlete of all time, but not even close as a complete back.

Barry was a much better player than Emmitt Smith.

Of course, Barry didnt play college in the SEC against players who are better than pros so Emmitt and TD have that on Barry.

Elway 4 Life
10-16-2011, 10:43 AM
Terrell Davis > Barry Sanders, unless you prefer exciting plays to consistent yardage and dominance of playoff opponents. But then again, I'm also way on the Emmit side of the Emmit/Barry debate. I was never that impressed with Barry Sanders. Probably the best pure runner/athlete of all time, but not even close as a complete back.

Smith should not be mentioned in the same sentence as sanders. Emmitt couldnt hold barrys jock. Emmitt was one of the more overated players in history.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 10:44 AM
Barry was a much better player than Emmitt Smith.

Some people put way too much stock in big plays when it comes to running backs. This was true back then and it's true now.

Bronx33
10-16-2011, 10:45 AM
http://i55.tinypic.com/9swci8.gif

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 10:45 AM
Smith should not be mentioned in the same sentence as sanders. Emmitt couldnt hold barrys jock. Enmity was one of the more overated players in history.

Hilarious!

razorwire77
10-16-2011, 10:47 AM
Screw it. Lloyd wants premier # 1WR money anyway, something Denver was never going to give him. He's a below average blocker on a team that's trying emphasize the run and he got into it with the coaching staff. Get a 4th for him and move on.

As far as Eddie Royal goes, I know he's a swell guy, but someone remind me what he has done since returning a couple of kicks against SD during the 5-0 run in 2009?

Let's see what Decker, D.T., Willis, Fells, J. Thomas, and Virgil Green bring to the table.

gunns
10-16-2011, 10:48 AM
Tom Brady & and Payton Manning winners of a large slice of recent Super Bowls don't agree with.

Brady hasn't won one for 6 years and Mannings 1 win was 4 years ago. A top notch defense beat Brady in his last appearance and Manning was beaten by a team who was top notch offense but the defense showed up for that game. It's the one thing I do like about Fox, at least he knows what a defense means to a team.

I could care less about losing these two receivers. Receivers are the ones that are a dime a dozen, just DO NOT make the position a priority in next years draft. If Tebow can't make it with the remaining WR's then he couldn't make it with these two on the roster. And I don't blame either one for what they are doing. It's a business and their livelihood. Tebow hasn't shown that he can get his completion percentage above 50% or even better than the Cassel, Campbell, or even a Sanchez. Can't blame them for thinking about their future.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:48 AM
Smith should not be mentioned in the same sentence as sanders. Emmitt couldnt hold barrys jock. Emmitt was one of the more overated players in history.

No doubt.

Emmitt is the product of longevity and being on a great team with a great line.

Barry filled stadiums on horrible teams. He was a phenomenon.

Broncoman13
10-16-2011, 10:51 AM
Niether have the consistency or the results in big games to be first ballot locks.

Peterson does, CJ no way.

Peterson is the best RB in the NFL right now and has been since he joined the league. Jamal Lewis was a 2000 yard rusher, no where near a HOF player though.

Anyhow, the comment of Peyton Manning being a dime a dozen compared to TD is a classic lol/wtf post.

As for the Broncos scheme. I said a little while back that the Broncos would likely prefer to have Decker and Bey Bey on the field. Both are better blockers and offer, at the very least, more size to sustain blocks. Bey Bey was a very good blocker at GT, mainly b/c they ran the ball 75% of the time and he had to block a lot, so he learned.

I still think that this style of football has passed the NFL by. Very few teams are successful with this style. Even the notorious running teams such as the Ravens and Steelers are passing the ball more and more. Take a look at the Jets and see how the Fox style of offense is working for them.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:53 AM
Brady hasn't won one for 6 years and Mannings 1 win was 4 years ago. A top notch defense beat Brady in his last appearance and Manning was beaten by a team who was top notch offense but the defense showed up for that game. It's the one thing I do like about Fox, at least he knows what a defense means to a team.

I could care less about losing these two receivers. Receivers are the ones that are a dime a dozen, just DO NOT make the position a priority in next years draft. If Tebow can't make it with the remaining WR's then he couldn't make it with these two on the roster. And I don't blame either one for what they are doing. It's a business and their livelihood. Tebow hasn't shown that he can get his completion percentage above 50% or even better than the Cassel, Campbell, or even a Sanchez. Can't blame them for thinking about their future.

I agree except that it doesnt have anything at all to do with Tebow. Evidently these guys had been having confrontations with the coaches about not getting the ball enough back to the Orton days.

Maybe it was more their fault we sucked than it was Ortons fault. You cant have a team full of malcontents who wont follow the coaches instructions because they want to go a team who makes it easy for them to get paid. Thats nice and all, but I wouldnt want those players on my team.

Maybe the change to Tebow was a statement of separation from the Broncos flavor clown contingent who were content just to coast for cash?

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 10:55 AM
Peterson does, CJ no way.

Peterson is the best RB in the NFL right now and has been since he joined the league. Jamal Lewis was a 2000 yard rusher, no where near a HOF player though.

Anyhow, the comment of Peyton Manning being a dime a dozen compared to TD is a classic lol/wtf post.

As for the Broncos scheme. I said a little while back that the Broncos would likely prefer to have Decker and Bey Bey on the field. Both are better blockers and offer, at the very least, more size to sustain blocks. Bey Bey was a very good blocker at GT, mainly b/c they ran the ball 75% of the time and he had to block a lot, so he learned.

I still think that this style of football has passed the NFL by. Very few teams are successful with this style. Even the notorious running teams such as the Ravens and Steelers are passing the ball more and more. Take a look at the Jets and see how the Fox style of offense is working for them.

The Jets really dont have the personnel to be effective in the run game. You need a bell cow, and they dont have one.

The Broncos dont have one either, but they can continue to build toward that. They tried to get a bell cow in the offseason, and I have been feeling more and more like they will draft one this upcoming offseason now that they have committed to Tebow.

Gort
10-16-2011, 10:57 AM
Screw it. Lloyd wants premier # 1WR money anyway, something Denver was never going to give him. He's a below average blocker on a team that's trying emphasize the run and he got into it with the coaching staff. Get a 4th for him and move on.

As far as Eddie Royal goes, I know he's a swell guy, but someone remind me what he has done since returning a couple of kicks against SD during the 5-0 run in 2009?

Let's see what Decker, D.T., Willis, Fells, J. Thomas, and Virgil Green bring to the table.

on the NFL Today pregame show, Casserly said that one of the reasons the Broncos were motivated to move Lloyd was because "Lloyd has had confrontations with the coaching staff".

MacGruder
10-16-2011, 11:00 AM
It's a business and their livelihood. Tebow hasn't shown that he can get his completion percentage above 50% or even better than the Cassel, Campbell, or even a Sanchez. Can't blame them for thinking about their future.

Tebow's YPA was extremely high.. and it is pretty stupid to base any decision on what has been seen from Tebow considering the horrific circumstances.. especially considering he played well even under horrible circumstances. If the magnifying glass wasn't so immense on Tebow he would be seen as playing very well rather than focusing on his negative aspects. He broke records in his first 3 games in the worst situation imaginable. Sure, many of them were running records.. but he wouldn't be able to run if he couldn't pass at a high level - the YPA.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 11:01 AM
Anyhow, the comment of Peyton Manning being a dime a dozen compared to TD is a classic lol/wtf post.


It's called hyperbole. I said that simply to illustrate that a back like Terrell Davis is more rare than a QB like Manning. And no one can come up with a back in TD's league playing today, so the point remains.

Rolandftw
10-16-2011, 11:04 AM
Royal's probably my favorite Broncos player. I still think if he has a Jay Cutler or better QB throwing to him, he's putting up monster numbers... so sad to see him go if it happens like that.

If Schefter is correct, think it's obviously related to Tebow. Too big of a coincidence that they both want out a week after the QB switch.

I can see why they would want out. both in the last year of their deal, and their numbers are not likely to be good in a Tebow offense.

Requiem
10-16-2011, 11:04 AM
It's called hyperbole. I said that simply to illustrate that a back like Terrell Davis is more rare than a QB like Manning. And no one can come up with a back in TD's league playing today, so the point remains.

His name is Adrian Peterson.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 11:04 AM
Peterson does, CJ no way.

Peterson is the best RB in the NFL right now and has been since he joined the league. Jamal Lewis was a 2000 yard rusher, no where near a HOF player though.

Anyhow, the comment of Peyton Manning being a dime a dozen compared to TD is a classic lol/wtf post.

As for the Broncos scheme. I said a little while back that the Broncos would likely prefer to have Decker and Bey Bey on the field. Both are better blockers and offer, at the very least, more size to sustain blocks. Bey Bey was a very good blocker at GT, mainly b/c they ran the ball 75% of the time and he had to block a lot, so he learned.

I still think that this style of football has passed the NFL by. Very few teams are successful with this style. Even the notorious running teams such as the Ravens and Steelers are passing the ball more and more. Take a look at the Jets and see how the Fox style of offense is working for them.

I think that this guy may be a Bronco next season:
http://www.hogdb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/large_trent-richardson.jpg

Requiem
10-16-2011, 11:06 AM
I think that this guy may be a Bronco next season:
http://www.hogdb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/large_trent-richardson.jpg

Considering how deep the 2013 RB class will be, other pressing needs and better talent available at those positions, the Broncos would be stupid to draft Richardson. We don't need to invest a Top 5 selection in an RB. How incredibly lame.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 11:06 AM
Royal's probably my favorite Broncos player. I still think if he has a Jay Cutler or better QB throwing to him, he's putting up monster numbers... so sad to see him go if it happens like that.

If Schefter is correct, think it's obviously related to Tebow. Too big of a coincidence that they both want out a week after the QB switch.

I can see why they would want out. both in the last year of their deal, and their numbers are not likely to be good in a Tebow offense.

This has already been covered.

These guys have been asking to get traded from back when Orton was playing and whined to the staff about playing in a run-first offense.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 11:06 AM
I think that this guy may be a Bronco next season:
http://www.hogdb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/large_trent-richardson.jpg

I seriously doubt it. If it were to happen, I'm not sure how I would feel about it. I really want a DT in the 1st round. We can't just keep ignoring the interior of our d-line.

razorwire77
10-16-2011, 11:07 AM
on the NFL Today pregame show, Casserly said that one of the reasons the Broncos were motivated to move Lloyd was because "Lloyd has had confrontations with the coaching staff".

Yeah, I referenced that in the original post. What it comes down to is Lloyd had 8 years of disappointing seasons, followed by a monster year in the chuck it to Lloyd system, where McDaniels was throwing the ball 50 times a game, against soft zone coverages when the team was down 3 scores. Does anyone other than Brandon Lloyd think he's going to command Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitz type money? He was never going to get extended here anyway, so if he's going to become a cancer, they might as well get what they can. As far as Eddie Royal goes, I like him as a person, but he's been an oft injured, and mediocre receiver since his rookie year. He has a slot receiver's size and speed, and yet he sucks in the slot. If he's disgruntled, screw it trade him for they can get and move on.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 11:09 AM
Considering how deep the 2013 RB class will be, other pressing needs and better talent available at those positions, the Broncos would be stupid to draft Richardson. We don't need to invest a Top 5 selection in an RB. How incredibly lame.

To even begin to justify a pick like that, Richardson would need to be a prospect on par with Adrian Peterson, and I'm just not seeing it.

Requiem
10-16-2011, 11:12 AM
To even begin to justify a pick like that, Richardson would need to be a prospect on par with Adrian Peterson, and I'm just not seeing it.

Me either.

epicSocialism4tw
10-16-2011, 11:12 AM
To even begin to justify a pick like that, Richardson would need to be a prospect on par with Adrian Peterson, and I'm just not seeing it.

We wont have a top 5 pick.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 11:15 AM
We wont have a top 5 pick.

Maybe, maybe not, but we will have a top 10 pick, and even there Richardson is a big fat reach.

oubronco
10-16-2011, 11:16 AM
We wont have a top 5 pick.

Nope #1 :strong:

Requiem
10-16-2011, 11:17 AM
We wont have a top 5 pick.

Yet, you think that Richardson is going to be a Bronco?

If he declares, he is going that high.

lonestar
10-16-2011, 11:17 AM
Supposedly St. Louis only wants to give up something like a 5th. If we trade Lloyd for any less than a 3rd, then the front office got raped. I don't care if he is a UFA, you have to get value for guys and not just give them away like we did with Gaffney.

so getting 5TH is not better than gettingnothing .. you must be a madden or FF type guy..

or have never worked for a living..

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 11:19 AM
Yet, you think that Richardson is going to be a Bronco?

If he declares, he is going that high.

You think? In today's NFL it seems like most teams avoid drafting RBs that high.

lonestar
10-16-2011, 11:19 AM
No. He's worth the compensational pick that the Broncos would get for losing him as a free agent.

the comp picks are UNLIKEY to happen.. AS we will be picking from that tree more than losing folks..

The only way you get comp picks it IF you lose more and great value (hard to determine) then you get back..

SO lets all forget about COMP picks..

Requiem
10-16-2011, 11:20 AM
or have never worked for a living..

You had to shut down your business. The last thing you should be doing is giving people advice on management or personnel decisions. Hilarious!

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 11:20 AM
His name is Adrian Peterson.

So let me get this straight. You think Adrian Peterson is in Terrell Davis' league? Really?

lonestar
10-16-2011, 11:20 AM
We traded Gaffney to the Skins for a guy who is sucking hind tit as the FNG on a landscaping crew in Denver. Shanny would send us their ADA compliant front desk phone operator for Lloyd and have Xanders thinking we came away ahead in the deal. Xanders and Ellis should be locked in a cage with AIDS spitting cobras.

Just a reminder; I do everything...EVERYTHING better than Xanders. He's f'ing useless. He's worse than useless...he's Matt Millen.

yet he has the job and you don't, what does that make you..

Gort
10-16-2011, 11:21 AM
I'm the exact opposite. I bought a champ jersey a while back, big contract. Tebow jersey this year....boom. starter.

The REAL question here is, who's jersey should I buy next?

play it safe. buy a Prater jersey.

gunns
10-16-2011, 11:24 AM
Sanders never performed at Terrell Davis' level either. Almost no back ever has.

Yes he did. He didn't have the team or line Davis did, but he still took his team to the playoffs. He also pulled off the 2000 yds in a season. I'm a huge Davis fan, should be in the HOF, but it's unrealistic to make that statement about Sanders.

razorwire77
10-16-2011, 11:24 AM
2013 is the year to take a RB high in the draft. 2012 should be draft a QB if the Tebow experiment doesn't work out or if it does, bpa at DT, MLB, SS, and CB. Maybe take a flier on a RB in the 4th round or later. See if the team can milk another year out of Willis. There are too many holes to plug with one draft, even if they hit on multiple picks.

Rolandftw
10-16-2011, 11:25 AM
This has already been covered.

These guys have been asking to get traded from back when Orton was playing and whined to the staff about playing in a run-first offense.

Really? The piece I read didn't say anything about them requesting a deal earlier...

lonestar
10-16-2011, 11:26 AM
Yeah, but if SoCal is right then we probably aren't going to spend much money this offseason anyway.

They are going to sign the players that fit their system and for depth.. Unless they fit those two criteria it is unlikley they will get them''That said we have been sucking hind teat for so long excpet perhaps WR there are alot of UFA that will fit our needs..

which means we will sogn more than we lose to FA.. Now If we trade for any draft picks they will be probably be higher than tha comp picks would be..

Gort
10-16-2011, 11:27 AM
Ive been saying for a while Agememnon or whatever is a troll from someone's second account

half a dozen qbs "on par" with Peyton Manning

L
O
L

just playing devil's advocate here, but...

1) Brady
2) Brees
3) Rodgers
...and maybe 4) Rivers
...and maybe 5) Ryan
...and maybe 6) Roethlisberger

that would be 6. so it's not exactly an outrageous assertion.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 11:28 AM
Yes he did. He didn't have the team or line Davis did, but he still took his team to the playoffs. He also pulled off the 2000 yds in a season. I'm a huge Davis fan, should be in the HOF, but it's unrealistic to make that statement about Sanders.

My statement is made with full knowledge of what Barry Sanders accomplished in his career. He lived off the big play. He was never a guy that could grind out yards or make the tough runs. What he did was exceptional, but in terms of what a running back and running game are supposed to do for an offense (gain tough yards, control the clock) he never came close to what Terrell Davis did.

lonestar
10-16-2011, 11:32 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if Tebow asked for a trade.

Why in the world Elway went out and hired a Dan Reeves double I will never know.

I fear the Broncos are going to suck for a long time....

considering that a lot of his early years were wasted working for him, you are on the money with this concept..

Gort
10-16-2011, 11:32 AM
Right thats like saying Elway wasnt as good because guys like Aikman, Montana, and Marino were "on par" with him when he played

If every team had a qb as good as Rodgers and Brady that still wouldnt change the fact that Peyton Manning is one of the best players to ever play in the NFL

Peyton Manning wouldn't have had much of a career had he played when his dad played. nobody has benefited more from the rules changes in this league that a) favor offense over defense, b) protect the QB against anything and everything, and c) all but prevent defensive backs from doing anything that could prevent a receiver from catching a ball.

he's not one of the greatest of all time. i know that the game has changed and he'll probably get into the HOF when he retires because we live in an era of sportscenter hype, but Manning is not really any different than Brady, Brees, or Rodgers in today's NFL. he's a very good QB in the current era. that's as far as i'll go. ohhh, and his head looks like a pumpkin.

McDman
10-16-2011, 11:34 AM
Rivers absolutely is if you are looking at production. Or at least he has been so far. Roethlisberger? Yeah he's a notch below, but he's won more Super Bowls.

SO you're saying Rivers is on pace to be a top three QB of all time? GTFO, he is good but nowhere near Manning. You just watch Manning and know he is going to convert third and longs or tough fourth downs.

Gort
10-16-2011, 11:36 AM
Terrell Davis > Barry Sanders, unless you prefer exciting plays to consistent yardage and dominance of playoff opponents. But then again, I'm also way on the Emmit side of the Emmit/Barry debate. I was never that impressed with Barry Sanders. Probably the best pure runner/athlete of all time, but not even close as a complete back.

Barry Sanders never impressed me much either. i'm sure he was better than average, but i never saw too much that was extraordinary about him. i also didn't buy into the Walter Payton hype machine. or the Emmitt Smith hype machine.

for me, the top 2 RBs that ever impressed me were Earl Campbell and TD. Bo Jackson was also explosive in his short career.

vonqkilla
10-16-2011, 11:37 AM
Okay this is getting out of hand. Most of our players really like Tebow. Nothing Decker or Thomas have ever said has ever indicated they don't like Tebow.

Who was the first to report lloyd asked to be traded?

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Personally I dont see a big riff either way, its just they want the best passer because they are recievers.

Requiem
10-16-2011, 11:37 AM
So let me get this straight. You think Adrian Peterson is in Terrell Davis' league? Really?

Yes. At the end of this year, Peterson and Davis would have played the same amount of games. Adrian is doing phenomenal and keeping up with Davis pace by all accounts.

gunns
10-16-2011, 11:42 AM
Tebow's YPA was extremely high.. and it is pretty stupid to base any decision on what has been seen from Tebow considering the horrific circumstances.. especially considering he played well even under horrible circumstances. If the magnifying glass wasn't so immense on Tebow he would be seen as playing very well rather than focusing on his negative aspects. He broke records in his first 3 games in the worst situation imaginable. Sure, many of them were running records.. but he wouldn't be able to run if he couldn't pass at a high level - the YPA.

Calm down there, I wasn't attacking your savior. There's a great chance that Tebow will have a lot of running TD's and some passing TD's. That doesn't lend to a receiver getting theirs and in this offensive scheme the chance is even less. But dude, don't ever use YPA to pad any argument, especially with Tebow and damn, that last sentence....stop while you're ahead, well, just stop.

Fedaykin
10-16-2011, 11:44 AM
Both of them are FA after this year. Dish them. Why would Eddie request a trade anyways?

I'm not surprised. A team that hasn't been able to field a decent QB and a passing game suited to his capabilities -- and doesn't look to be doing so anytime soon is what Eddie is looking at. He's about to enter the stage of his career where he should be in his prime and for the foreseeable future he'll be out there running decoy for no reason as defenses know Tebow isn't ready to play at that level (looking beyond the first read).

uplink
10-16-2011, 11:48 AM
Could be the broncos are planning to go with bigger receivers (Decker, Thomas) in the future who can block down field when Tebow runs.

vonqkilla
10-16-2011, 11:55 AM
Could be the broncos are planning to go with bigger receivers (Decker, Thomas) in the future who can block down field when Tebow runs.

Lmao

Or maybe they are just trying to move guys that dont want to be here, have value, and no intention of resigning.

Anybody counting on DT88, cmon. Guy is always hurt. He's a complete bust so far, and this is his audition as much as Tebows. Can he stay on the field?

UberBroncoMan
10-16-2011, 12:02 PM
****ing disappointed in Royal.

We can't afford to lose him though on top of Lloyd.

Need one or the other.

Agamemnon
10-16-2011, 12:05 PM
Lmao

Or maybe they are just trying to move guys that dont want to be here, have value, and no intention of resigning.

Anybody counting on DT88, cmon. Guy is always hurt. He's a complete bust so far, and this is his audition as much as Tebows. Can he stay on the field?

Yep, pretty much my thought on the matter. Am I the only one that remembers how our receiver corps got so thin we starting using Tebow for a while? I can't begin to comprehend how anyone thinks we have enough WR depth to absorb the loss of both Lloyd and Royal.

SoCalBronco
10-16-2011, 12:05 PM
I don't blame either guy for asking out. It's not a great place to be at present, plus the team is trying to S4L (which I don't mind and I don't blame them for at all). There are much greener pastures elsewhere. We've never been able to use Royal the way Shanny used him after 08, so he's prolly upset about that...understandable.

oubronco
10-16-2011, 12:07 PM
Barry Sanders never impressed me much either. i'm sure he was better than average, but i never saw too much that was extraordinary about him. i also didn't buy into the Walter Payton hype machine. or the Emmitt Smith hype machine.

for me, the top 2 RBs that ever impressed me were Earl Campbell and TD. Bo Jackson was also explosive in his short career.

You can't be serious!

Sanders was one of the best all time and if he would've had a good line he would've set records that would probably never be touched

uplink
10-16-2011, 12:12 PM
Anybody counting on DT88, cmon. Guy is always hurt. He's a complete bust so far, and this is his audition as much as Tebows. Can he stay on the field?

If not DT88 then pick up another bigger receiver who can block. I think down field blocking by receivers is going to be a bigger part of the offense with Tebow in. It may be they look specifically for these types of receivers. Just putting this out as a possibility. More likely they are trying to get more picks to trade in the next draft.

broncolife
10-16-2011, 12:15 PM
I think I would care more if we were tyring to trade Colquitt or Prater

maven
10-16-2011, 12:20 PM
By Mort on espn. Royal getting more interest, Patriots thinking about Lloyd too.

I'm surprised at Royal, Lloyd I knew requested one.


So the players requested a trade?

R8R H8R
10-16-2011, 12:58 PM
Yes, according to Kliss:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19126114

BTW, just because both are open for trade, doesn't necessarily mean EFX would trade both. Maybe they are just seeing which one would get the highest pick, and trade that player, but take the other off the block.

Trading both just doesn't make sense given DT's injury history; but who knows?

Houshyamama
10-16-2011, 01:01 PM
Both of them are FA after this year. Dish them. Why would Eddie request a trade anyways?

Because he believes he can happier underachieving somewhere else.

baja
10-16-2011, 01:09 PM
Maybe there is a Fox in the hen house.

extralife
10-16-2011, 01:14 PM
Here's the real Tebow effect, Omane. I guess the NFL isn't as convinced he's in the HoF as you guys are.

tebowisdabomb
10-16-2011, 01:15 PM
Rats jumping off the sinking ship....

Maximus
10-16-2011, 01:18 PM
Maybe Royal and Lloyd don't like running around a keystone cop... breaking off routes in order to make a ****ty QB look good... Losing incentives etc

maven
10-16-2011, 01:28 PM
Yes, according to Kliss:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19126114

BTW, just because both are open for trade, doesn't necessarily mean EFX would trade both. Maybe they are just seeing which one would get the highest pick, and trade that player, but take the other off the block.

Trading both just doesn't make sense given DT's injury history; but who knows?

Interesting. I think it's in the Broncos best interest to move them. Both players I assume are not in Denver's long-term plans and they could hitch a ride with a playoff team now. Ship them and get something back.

OrangeSe7en
10-16-2011, 01:36 PM
Maybe Royal and Lloyd don't like running around a keystone cop... breaking off routes in order to make a ****ty QB look good... Losing incentives etc

This doesn't explain Lloyd's willingness to play with Orton.

myMind
10-16-2011, 01:38 PM
We need TEAM players. Not selfish receivers, if they don't want to be a part of this team then **** em.

Maximus
10-16-2011, 01:41 PM
This doesn't explain Lloyd's willingness to play with Orton.

Touche' but Orton did pad stats with Lloyd... Tebow's inaccuracy could start putting players in jeopardy... hanging them out to dry with wild passes

R8R H8R
10-16-2011, 01:46 PM
Interesting. I think it's in the Broncos best interest to move them. Both players I assume are not in Denver's long-term plans and they could hitch a ride with a playoff team now. Ship them and get something back.

While I agree with your statement in principle, I would fear that such a bold move(moving both players) would signal to the team that EFX has already given up on the season. That is the way coaches lose their team.

OTOH, it wouldn't surprise me at all if neither player is traded because according to Kliss, the Broncos "red" phone wasn't ringing off the hook.

But anyway, we'll see in a few days how it plays out. :approve:

maven
10-16-2011, 01:52 PM
While I agree with your statement in principle, I would fear that such a bold move(moving both players) would signal to the team that EFX has already given up on the season. That is the way coaches lose their team.

OTOH, it wouldn't surprise me at all if neither player is traded because according to Kliss, the Broncos "red" phone wasn't ringing off the hook.

But anyway, we'll see in a few days how it plays out. :approve:

The switch at QB was made, the team is rebuilding, EFX have job security. The locker room will be fighting for future game checks. And yes, it wouldn't surprise me if nobody is traded. Hope they are though.

tsiguy96
10-16-2011, 02:00 PM
honestly, an all out fire sale is not a bad idea. garymiller also said team is open to trading dawkins and DJ, why not? guys that have been the basis of this losing team for 2-4+ years and can be upgraded upon. might as well get picks now

MABroncoFan
10-16-2011, 02:01 PM
rotoworld.com

The Denver Post reports that the Broncos have not received offers of more than a seventh-round pick in exchange for Brandon Lloyd.
"Understandably, the Broncos have rejected such proposals," writes beat reporter Mike Klis, who first broke the story that Lloyd was on the trade block. Klis now suggests that the Broncos will keep Lloyd, assuming no teams step up with a better trade offer. Talks will pick up as Tuesday's deadline nears. FOX Sports' Jay Glazer reported Sunday morning that the Patriots, Rams, and 49ers have shown interest in the contract-year wide receiver. Source: Denver Post Oct 16 - 3:17 PM

snowspot66
10-16-2011, 02:01 PM
Maybe Royal and Lloyd don't like running around a keystone cop... breaking off routes in order to make a ****ty QB look good... Losing incentives etc

Because both of them were dominating this year right?

dbfan21
10-16-2011, 02:15 PM
Royal has sucked since his rookie year, a year in which he totally benefitted from a pass-happy approach. Let's get a solid DT out of the deal. Good by Eddie...

baja
10-16-2011, 02:18 PM
Royal has sucked since his rookie year, a year in which he totally benefitted from a pass-happy approach. Let's get a solid DT out of the deal. Good by Eddie...

So a guy that by your own evaluation sucks should be traded for a solid DT care to explain how that is done

oubronco
10-16-2011, 02:26 PM
Trade away all our playmakers so Tebow can run around and get his head knocked off

I guess Suck for Luck is in motion

R8R H8R
10-16-2011, 02:54 PM
So a guy that by your own evaluation sucks should be traded for a solid DT care to explain how that is done

Where have you been? Trades like that happen all the time on Madden and fan message boards everywhere. :)

maven
10-16-2011, 03:02 PM
rotoworld.com

The Denver Post reports that the Broncos have not received offers of more than a seventh-round pick in exchange for Brandon Lloyd.
"Understandably, the Broncos have rejected such proposals," writes beat reporter Mike Klis, who first broke the story that Lloyd was on the trade block. Klis now suggests that the Broncos will keep Lloyd, assuming no teams step up with a better trade offer. Talks will pick up as Tuesday's deadline nears. FOX Sports' Jay Glazer reported Sunday morning that the Patriots, Rams, and 49ers have shown interest in the contract-year wide receiver. Source: Denver Post Oct 16 - 3:17 PM

Ouch!

I would still ship him by Tuesday. Maybe after this weekend, teams will up the offer.

houghtam
10-16-2011, 03:03 PM
My statement is made with full knowledge of what Barry Sanders accomplished in his career. He lived off the big play. He was never a guy that could grind out yards or make the tough runs. What he did was exceptional, but in terms of what a running back and running game are supposed to do for an offense (gain tough yards, control the clock) he never came close to what Terrell Davis did.

Apparently it's not. I'm a lifelong Broncos fan that grew up in Michigan. I watched just about every game Sanders ever played in the NFL, and you're just flat out wrong here. He carried that team every year, and gained yards even when teams knew he was going to run. Just because he gained his yards by spinning out of a tackle after being hit 3 yards in the backfield does not diminish what type of back he was, and I can tell you for a fact that he gained "tough yards" just as well as anyone else. For you to make a statement like that just shows how completely full of crap you are.

They ran the run and shoot offense much of his career with players like Rodney Peete, Andre Ware, Herman Moore. Their offensive line was abysmal. They were coached by Wayne freaking Fontes.

Davis was a great back. I truly hope he gets in to the HOF someday, and I think he deserves it. Davis wasn't half the back Sanders was. Sanders was better, and for much longer.

Requiem
10-16-2011, 03:05 PM
Herman Moore, hell of a guy. Jason Hanson still kickin' it and he played with Sanders. :D

NUB
10-16-2011, 03:17 PM
Three weeks ago Tebow was the emergency 3rd receiver.

Now Denver is looking to trade two receivers?

Tebow will have to channel the Legendary Elway,

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Kaylore
10-16-2011, 03:21 PM
So the players requested a trade?

Yes. A lot of the players apparently don't believe in Tebow and feel the coach bowed to outside pressure.

DrFate
10-16-2011, 03:23 PM
Yes. A lot of the players apparently don't believe in Tebow and feel the coach bowed to outside pressure.

This contradicts the Klis article, which states they requested trades before Orton was benched.

Taco John
10-16-2011, 03:26 PM
I expect this from Lloyd. I'm disappointed in Eddie.

Play2win
10-16-2011, 03:26 PM
Actually seems like a Shanahan move. Alright Brandon, we'll see what we can get for you, we'll see what your value is right now.

7th rounder. Reality check. Now, get to work...

montrose
10-16-2011, 03:29 PM
This contradicts the Klis article, which states they requested trades before Orton was benched.

Im pretty sure they saw the writing on the wall...

vonqkilla
10-16-2011, 03:33 PM
Yes. A lot of the players apparently don't believe in Tebow and feel the coach bowed to outside pressure.

Where you getting this about pressure ?

TerrElway
10-16-2011, 03:35 PM
How professional is that? I mean think about it.

"You know, I think player X is going to get a shot and I don't like him so I want to go play somewhere else!"

You think players like everyone they play with? Hell no. From the Pop Warner level they have to play with other players they may not care for and NOW they are going to want a trade because they just hate Tim Tebow so much they can't bear to play with him. I really doubt that.

What I do buy is that they think that this offense is pure horsesh*t for a couple of receivers that excelled in wide open, chuck it up offenses who are in a contract year and need to put up numbers so they can pocket numbers.

DrFate
10-16-2011, 03:35 PM
Im pretty sure they saw thhe writing on the wall...

That may be, but it seems curious if 'players dont believe in tebow' that they would anticipate his ascension

Unless the entire theory of efx not wanting tebow is upside down, and the locker room is the source instead

CEH
10-16-2011, 03:37 PM
One thing that is hard to fool are NFL players . They know the real deal and I'm not sure all think Tebow is the answer.

snowspot66
10-16-2011, 03:38 PM
Eddie should probably worry more about catching the damned ball when it's thrown to him instead of worrying about all the balls that aren't thrown his way.

TheReverend
10-16-2011, 03:39 PM
One thing that is hard to fool are NFL players . They know the real deal and I'm not sure all think Tebow is the answer.

By "hard" do you mean "extremely easy"?

OrangeSe7en
10-16-2011, 03:39 PM
Touche' but Orton did pad stats with Lloyd... Tebow's inaccuracy could start putting players in jeopardy... hanging them out to dry with wild passes

Tebow's mobility keeps defenders closer to the LOS though. Besides, Orton throws plenty of bad/ugly passes. I think it probably has more to do with Orton targeting Lloyd more than any other WR in the was targeted.

BabyTO
10-16-2011, 03:40 PM
this team is done. who's gonna replace royal on the bench and not contribute?? whos gonna make up for lloyd's 2 catches for 5 yards each game? season is over

nobody wants them, they are/were part of that ****group that dragged this team down (along with mcdaniels and orton). some team offered a 7th rounder for lloyd LOL he must feel pretty ****ty right now. he was saying hes one of the elite guys in the offseason. guess not, asswipe.

Ray Finkle
10-16-2011, 03:42 PM
What a joke this team has become...

OrangeSe7en
10-16-2011, 03:43 PM
Yes. A lot of the players apparently don't believe in Tebow and feel the coach bowed to outside pressure.

And it would have nothing to do with Bowlen not opening the pocket book for a 30 year old WR with one good year when he's already paying Thomas? It wouldnt have anything to do with not wanting to pay Royal for his production from 3 years ago while Decker has emerged as a stud at #2?

People have been talking about Bowlen becoming stingy for some time. In this case, it's kind of justified.

Blart
10-16-2011, 03:44 PM
None of our receivers seem happy to have Tebow start, and I'm not surprised.

OrangeSe7en
10-16-2011, 03:45 PM
So many people here are overprotective of Tebow. None of our receivers seem happy to have him start, so everyone hates the receivers.

Who said that's why the WRs arent happy? Why would you assume that its because of Tebow and not because Bowlen isnt going to pay them big money at the end of the year?

fontaine
10-16-2011, 03:45 PM
Guys like Royal are a dime a dozen in this league who've had one good season and are little better than return specialists.

montrose
10-16-2011, 03:49 PM
What a joke this team has become...

Is this the one man that can fix this?

http://withthefirstpick.com/files/2011/07/andrew-luck.jpg

fontaine
10-16-2011, 03:50 PM
At least Lloyd is a talented selfish WR!

lol

peacepipe
10-16-2011, 03:50 PM
Who said that's why the WRs arent happy? Why would you assume that its because of Tebow and not because Bowlen isnt going to pay them big money at the end of the year?

Getting a big contract usually depends on having a big yr which probably won't happen this yr with tebow starting.

eddie mac
10-16-2011, 03:51 PM
Gaffney was a salary dump. Nothing more nothing else. The fact is nobody was offering picks for Gaffney. I'm glad he's gone. He isn't part of a longer term plan. How many times can you squat down in a zone and catch the ball. He had 200+ yards against KC one year he was virtually invisible in the outcome of the game.

Is there really a plan??? From what I've seen so far from Fox and Elway, I dont see any kind of plan.

Trade Orton, no-one wants him so we start him. He plays ****, fans get on front office's back so we start Tebow.

These ****ers haven't got a clue nevermind a plan.

Dartboard
3 darts
Blindfold
Bronco football

Gutless Drunk
10-16-2011, 03:52 PM
Yes. A lot of the players apparently don't believe in Tebow and feel the coach bowed to outside pressure.

So a lot of our players are upset that they don't get to hitch a ride on the Kyle Orton Express? Time to clear the Mensa members out of Dove Valley.

Ray Finkle
10-16-2011, 03:53 PM
Is this the one man that can fix this?

http://withthefirstpick.com/files/2011/07/andrew-luck.jpg

I have no idea....you know more about the team than I do. It just seems very unorganized.

TDmvp
10-16-2011, 03:53 PM
Is this the one man that can fix this?

http://withthefirstpick.com/files/2011/07/andrew-luck.jpg

F Oliver Luck's kid . No way I want that douche.