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epicSocialism4tw
10-13-2011, 09:45 AM
"Most will return to their offseason home. A few will be spotted on the sideline of their college alma mater. Las Vegas draws its share of NFL players during the bye week.

As for Denver, what goes on here, stays here.

Tim Tebow has made the 1-4 Broncos a happening place. And, for this long weekend bye, he is staying here.

He'll watch film at his Denver residence. He will throw passes to Matt Willis or whichever receivers, running backs or tight ends who want to hang around.

Tebow doesn't need leisure time. He gets to go back to work as the Broncos' starting quarterback.

"My goal is to get better," Tebow said. "The only way I know how to get better is to work as hard as I possibly can.""

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19101319#ixzz1agHjlraa

Requiem
10-13-2011, 09:47 AM
Next thing we know Tebow will be visiting Rae Carruth just to get his game goin'. What an inspiration.

Tebow!!!!!!!

Rohirrim
10-13-2011, 09:49 AM
http://www.lakelandllamatreks.co.uk/%7Elakeland/images/stories/dancing-llama.gif

Smiling Assassin27
10-13-2011, 09:53 AM
I'd expect nothing less of a kid trying to make it at qb in the NFL, especially given he had no offseason.

Tebow and the practice squad--sounds like a party.

epicSocialism4tw
10-13-2011, 09:54 AM
Tebow and the practice squad--sounds like a party.

...or a cheesy band led by a high school coach who play Nirvana at a pep rally.

(We had one of those!)

Smiling Assassin27
10-13-2011, 09:58 AM
...or a cheesy band led by a high school coach who play Nirvana at a pep rally.

(We had one of those!)

Matt Willis would clearly be Krist Novoselic.

epicSocialism4tw
10-13-2011, 10:01 AM
Matt Willis would clearly be Krist Novoselic.

Lets hope that he has better hands:
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LRtagger
10-13-2011, 10:07 AM
Hopefully Walton sticks around

oubronco
10-13-2011, 10:11 AM
He should've been doing this in the offseason

epicSocialism4tw
10-13-2011, 10:25 AM
He should've been doing this in the offseason

By all accounts he was doing this in the offseason.

He did organize some practices.

bendog
10-13-2011, 12:23 PM
not by all accounts

epicSocialism4tw
10-13-2011, 12:29 PM
not by all accounts

Which ones?

jhns
10-13-2011, 12:30 PM
not by all accounts

By all accounts that didn't come from whiney haters trying to tell us Orton is fantastic...

You have to be pretty stupid to use this as an argument against Tebow. You two prove this point is true.

broncosteven
10-13-2011, 12:31 PM
"Most will return to their offseason home. A few will be spotted on the sideline of their college alma mater. Las Vegas draws its share of NFL players during the bye week.

As for Denver, what goes on here, stays here.

Tim Tebow has made the 1-4 Broncos a happening place. And, for this long weekend bye, he is staying here.

He'll watch film at his Denver residence. He will throw passes to Matt Willis or whichever receivers, running backs or tight ends who want to hang around.

Tebow doesn't need leisure time. He gets to go back to work as the Broncos' starting quarterback.

"My goal is to get better," Tebow said. "The only way I know how to get better is to work as hard as I possibly can.""

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19101319#ixzz1agHjlraa

Meanwhile Orton is doing important stuff like shaving and picking a new spot to sit on the sidelines.

bendog
10-13-2011, 12:49 PM
blow it out your jizz hole, jizz

"Tell Tim Tebow we're looking for him," said a smiling White, who was taking a playful jab at the Broncos' second-year quarterback and most famous player.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18050475


http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_18095806

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18602797

bendog
10-13-2011, 12:53 PM
http://sportingjules.blogspot.com/2011/08/brady-quinn-to-push-tim-tebow-further.html

RunSilentRunDeep
10-13-2011, 12:53 PM
Is Wink Martindale still in town? Tebow should hire him for the weekend to watch film and explain Mike Nolan's defense.

jhns
10-13-2011, 12:54 PM
blow it out your jizz hole, jizz

"Tell Tim Tebow we're looking for him," said a smiling White, who was taking a playful jab at the Broncos' second-year quarterback and most famous player.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18050475


http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_18095806

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18602797

That sure proves he wasn't working! The fact that he and other players were doing workouts is more proof! The fact that Tebow has his own facility is more proof that he doesn't put in the work! Or maybe the fact that he called Miller on draft day to go work out is proof that he just doesn't put in the time! The fact that he was the first player in the facility after the lockout, and is always said to be first in and last out, is just proof that he doesn't put in the work!

You are accusing one of the hardest working players in the NFL of not working. You are an idiot.

From your link: " "I've been working with a lot of different receivers for the last several months, throwing in different states, wherever we've been, so I feel like I've got great timing," Tebow said."

I'm sure him missing a couple days of Dawkins workouts proves your idiotic point though...

TonyR
10-13-2011, 01:00 PM
By all accounts that didn't come from whiney haters trying to tell us Orton is fantastic...

You have to be pretty stupid to use this as an argument against Tebow. You two prove this point is true.

Do you ever stop? Why are you so protective of Tebow? You hate everyone and everything else but have to go apesh*t about every perceived slight of Tim Tebow? Let him prove himself, he really doesn't need your help. We get, jhns. You HATE Kyle Orton and worship Tim Tebow. You really don't need to keep reminding us.

jhns
10-13-2011, 01:07 PM
Do you ever stop? Why are you so protective of Tebow? You hate everyone and everything else but have to go apesh*t about every perceived slight of Tim Tebow? Let him prove himself, he really doesn't need your help. We get, jhns. You HATE Kyle Orton and worship Tim Tebow. You really don't need to keep reminding us.

I defend everything good for this organization. Tebow, so far, has been extremely productive.

You hate on something good with false statements, I call you an idiot. This is how it has been for years.

I have never hated much about this team. I hated McDaniels being in charge and a few of his moves. You are being a drama queen because I have pointed out that you are a hater of Tebow. You now see this is true because you can't find a single positive thing you have ever said about the extremely productive QB. This makes no sense as you defended **** like McDaniels and Orton. Don't be mad at me just because you have proven that you are an idiot.

TonyR
10-13-2011, 01:10 PM
You hate on something good with false statements...

Assuming you're referring to Tebow, I don't hate him and don't recall making any "false statements" about him. You're so sure I've never said anything positive about him but can you show me something negative I've said about him? You're the one leveling the charges here so the burden of proof is on you.

bendog
10-13-2011, 01:12 PM
the point is that Tebow worked cardio and sold books, rather than working with a qb coach during the lockout. It cost him in training camp, and he really was behind even quinn. Most likely, Tebow's worked his ass off for the past two and half months, and is a lot better than he was in camp. The irony is that the one guy who really didn't get a fair shot in this is probably Quinn. It will be interesting to see what happens to him. Assuming Tebow claims the job, I expect him to move on. But he definitely got screwed over in Clev, and he was never given the opportunity to farily compete with Tebow here. I won't be surprised if he finds a backup gig, and if he gets a shot he might still have a career. Coming out of Golden Domer, he seemed a project with more hype than polish. But he went the extra step.

jhns
10-13-2011, 01:12 PM
Assuming you're referring to Tebow, I don't hate him and don't recall making any "false statements" about him. You're so sure I've never said anything positive about him but can you show me something negative I've said about him? You're the one leveling the charges here so the burden of proof is on you.

Was I defending him against something you said here? Your response doesn't make sense.

I don't need to prove anything. We both know the truth. You are a hater.

strafen
10-13-2011, 01:14 PM
Do you ever stop? Why are you so protective of Tebow? You hate everyone and everything else but have to go apesh*t about every perceived slight of Tim Tebow? Let him prove himself, he really doesn't need your help. We get, jhns. You HATE Kyle Orton and worship Tim Tebow. You really don't need to keep reminding us.

The fact that you supported Mcdaniels and Orton, makes you an ignorant.
The fact that you've supported Orton because was OUR QB and Mcdaniels because he was OUR headcoach, but now hates Tebow, makes you a 1st class hypocrite

jhns
10-13-2011, 01:19 PM
the point is that Tebow worked cardio and sold books, rather than working with a qb coach during the lockout. It cost him in training camp, and he really was behind even quinn. Most likely, Tebow's worked his ass off for the past two and half months, and is a lot better than he was in camp. The irony is that the one guy who really didn't get a fair shot in this is probably Quinn. It will be interesting to see what happens to him. Assuming Tebow claims the job, I expect him to move on. But he definitely got screwed over in Clev, and he was never given the opportunity to farily compete with Tebow here. I won't be surprised if he finds a backup gig, and if he gets a shot he might still have a career. Coming out of Golden Domer, he seemed a project with more hype than polish. But he went the extra step.

Wow, so you make even more idiodic statements...

There wasn't a QB coach at the practice you pointed out. He worked with QB guys on his own time.

You say he was behind Quinn, which is 100% false. You are taking the haters stance and then crying about being called a hater.

He wasn't behind in camp. Orton is a seven year vet, with multiple years in this offense. Of course he was going to look better in practice. You, along with this staff, are pretty dumb for thinking practice means more than what he had proven in live games.

There us no way you have been watching if you have that opinoon of Quinn. Oh wait, you already admitted that you don't watch. Sorry, forgot you are just a whiney douche.

DrFate
10-13-2011, 01:21 PM
Was TonyR in the McDaniels fan club?

That's a serious accusation...

jhns
10-13-2011, 01:21 PM
The fact that you supported Mcdaniels and Orton, makes you an ignorant.
The fact that you've supported Orton because was OUR QB and Mcdaniels because he was OUR headcoach, but now hates Tebow, makes you a 1st class hypocrite

Exactly this. You have all kinds of excuses for defending trash, while having all kinds of excuses for not defending the current, extremely productive, QB. Sure, you aren't a hater tony...

Inkana7
10-13-2011, 01:23 PM
Exactly this. You have all kinds of excuses for defending trash, while having all kinds of excuses for not defending the current, extremely productive, QB. Sure, you aren't a hater tony...

We have an extremely productive QB?

DrFate
10-13-2011, 01:23 PM
We have an extremely productive QB?

Relative to the last guy, yes

jhns
10-13-2011, 01:24 PM
We have an extremely productive QB?

Yes we do.

TonyR
10-13-2011, 01:24 PM
The fact that you supported Mcdaniels and Orton, makes you an ignorant.
The fact that you've supported Orton because was OUR QB and Mcdaniels because he was OUR headcoach, but now hates Tebow, makes you a 1st class hypocrite

LOL "An ignorant"? And since I don't hate Tebow and never have, how exactly am I a hypocrite? I fully support Tebow and have said numerous times it makes sense to start him. I just didn't feel the need to constantly bash Orton.

As I challenged jhns, show where I've ever "hated" Tebow or stfu with your accusations.

TDmvp
10-13-2011, 01:25 PM
Question . Why do a lot people seem confuse thinking Kyle Orton is a $hitty to average Qb is hating Kyle Orton.

I mean if Kyle was tearing it up statistically and winning some and people was bishing about him then I could see it , and be like yea those people are stupid.

But I keep seeing people say stuff like everyone hates Kyle and I just wanted to say for the record and so it's been said I really like Kyle and think he has more heart than given credit for. Like saving us from watching Simms even tho his ankle was banged up.

But I for one really like Kyle. I just think he's a average to sometimes below average Qb.
There can't actually be people who think otherwise ?

jhns
10-13-2011, 01:26 PM
Relative to the last guy, yes

Relative to every QB in the league, yes.

25 ppg in his three starts. He did no worse in this past half game that he played. Very few offenses averaged more last season(six did).

TonyR
10-13-2011, 01:28 PM
Question . Why do a lot people seem confuse thinking Kyle Orton is a $hitty to average Qb is hating Kyle Orton.

I mean if Kyle was tearing it up statistically and winning some and people was bishing about him then I could see it , and be like yea those people are stupid.

But I keep seeing people say stuff like everyone hates Kyle and I just wanted to say for the record and so it's been said I really like Kyle and think he has more heart than given credit for. Like saving us from watching Simms even tho his ankle was banged up.

But I for one really like Kyle. I just think he's a average to sometimes below average Qb.
There can't actually be people who think otherwise ?

I agree with pretty much all of this. But you have to admit that several people were over the top with their Orton bashing. There's really only a couple people who don't seem to like Tebow on the other hand. I just don't gush about him like some people do so I get called a "hater" by dopes likes jhns and strafen.

DrFate
10-13-2011, 01:32 PM
But you have to admit that several people were over the top with their Orton bashing.

I honestly don't understand how you can over-bash Orton. I've said it, I'll say it, I'll stand by it - the guy has been a bottom-10 QB in this league his entire career. He was on the open market and NO ONE wanted him. Teams choose to ride with T. Jackson, K. Kolb, M. Hasselbeck, and C. Henne rather than give a mid-level pick for Orton.

jhns
10-13-2011, 01:36 PM
I agree with pretty much all of this. But you have to admit that several people were over the top with their Orton bashing. There's really only a couple people who don't seem to like Tebow on the other hand. I just don't gush about him like some people do so I get called a "hater" by dopes likes jhns and strafen.

You are jumping on people that have good things to say about him and crying that people are positive. This is the exact opposite of how you acted with McDaniels and Orton.

You have good things to say about Orton and McDaniels. You have nothing good to say about Tebow. This not only makes you a hater, it makes you a pretty stupid hater.

Inkana7
10-13-2011, 01:37 PM
Relative to every QB in the league, yes.

25 ppg in his three starts. He did no worse in this past half game that he played. Very few offenses averaged more last season(six did).

You realize you count the Cassius Vaughn KRTD in that, right (22ppg otherwise)? And that it was only over 3 games?

Tebow is an exciting QB, not a productive one. Yet. Hopefully he can be.

jhns
10-13-2011, 01:45 PM
You realize you count the Cassius Vaughn KRTD in that, right (22ppg otherwise)? And that it was only over 3 games?

Tebow is an exciting QB, not a productive one. Yet. Hopefully he can be.

You realize every team counts those in the totals I used, right? Did you know that was the only time in the two+ years Orton has been here that the team scored 20+ in three straight games? Yes, we did have multiple return TDs with Orton in. With those, we had the 22nd ranked offenee. He upped our offensive production from 22nd to 7th. You say that isn't productive, I say that is amazing for one player to make that kind of difference in the NFL.

We put him in this year, same results. You can claim whatever you want. This offense was dead and came to life the second Tebow was put in. Orton had a return TD to help him and still didn't come close to matching what Tebow did... When Tebow is in, this offense is productive. Granted, he could be one of the .00005% of QBs that actually get worse after his first few starts.

bendog
10-13-2011, 01:51 PM
You realize you count the Cassius Vaughn KRTD in that, right (22ppg otherwise)? And that it was only over 3 games?

Tebow is an exciting QB, not a productive one. Yet. Hopefully he can be.

It's like when they bring in a new stripper at the club. I'm not sure she'll be "productive" but it's exciting to find out.

Rohirrim
10-13-2011, 01:53 PM
I'll start worshipping Tebow when he wins us the division and home field throughout the playoffs.

bendog
10-13-2011, 01:57 PM
With Elway all we had to do is let him drink without being bothered.

Inkana7
10-13-2011, 02:04 PM
You realize every team counts those in the totals I used, right? Did you know that was the only time in the two+ years Orton has been here that the team scored 20+ in three straight games? Yes, we did have multiple return TDs with Orton in. With those, we had the 22nd ranked offenee. He upped our offensive production from 22nd to 7th. You say that isn't productive, I say that is amazing for one player to make that kind of difference in the NFL.

We put him in this year, same results. You can claim whatever you want. This offense was dead and came to life the second Tebow was put in. Orton had a return TD to help him and still didn't come close to matching what Tebow did... When Tebow is in, this offense is productive. Granted, he could be one of the .00005% of QBs that actually get worse after his first few starts.

3 games, dude. Let's not jump to any confusions before the kid starts more games than Brodie Croyle.

jhns
10-13-2011, 02:08 PM
3 games, dude. Let's not jump to any confusions before the kid starts more games than Brodie Croyle.

Three games in which the offense suddenly got much better...

Why would we assume he gets worse? I haven't jumped to a single conclusion other than it is stupid not to give him a chance.

Inkana7
10-13-2011, 02:12 PM
Why would we assume he gets worse? I haven't jumped to a single conclusion other than it is stupid not to give him a chance.

I'm not saying he will get worse, but to assume that the difference between the 22nd-ranked offense and the 7th ranked offense, on a team that is really bad is one player, is foolish, and that sample size is a big reason for the disparity. Through the first 3 games of the 2008 season we averaged 38 ppg, and in the next three we averaged 17. Was it Michael Pittman that made the offense so much more potent? I'm doubtful.

TDmvp
10-13-2011, 02:18 PM
I agree with pretty much all of this. But you have to admit that several people were over the top with their Orton bashing. There's really only a couple people who don't seem to like Tebow on the other hand. I just don't gush about him like some people do so I get called a "hater" by dopes likes jhns and strafen.


I think some of the Orton Bashing , depending on who's doing it is in Jest and fun aka Pocket Sloth and all the shops we've seen.

Yes some have been over the top with it and actually don't like him.
I also don't mind those who aint sold on Tebow , it's a opinion and a fair one.


I didn't want us to draft him to start with , but now that he's ours and with the kinda of person he is all I want is for him to do well.


I don't think anything WILL EVER feel like the back to back super bowl wins , but as far as story line you couldn't get much closer to that then Elway coming back to the Broncos and then us winning a super bowl with Tim after so many said he couldn't do it... So I'm rooting for that.

jhns
10-13-2011, 02:18 PM
I'm not saying he will get worse, but to assume that the difference between the 22nd-ranked offense and the 7th ranked offense, on a team that is really bad is one player, is foolish, and that sample size is a big reason for the disparity. Through the first 3 games of the 2008 season we averaged 38 ppg, and in the next three we averaged 17. Was it Michael Pittman that made the offense so much more potent? I'm doubtful.

No, it was the tons of injuries and youth that made that offense less potent.

If that is the reason, how do you explain the exact same thing happening this past game? The offense scores three with Orton and fourteen with Tebow. Every time he has touched the field, the offense has been more productive. When it stops being more productive, we can discuss the reasons for it. Until then, it just seems like you don't want it to be true.

Inkana7
10-13-2011, 02:26 PM
No, it was the tons of injuries and youth that made that offense less potent.

If that is the reason, how do you explain the exact same thing happening this past game? The offense scores three with Orton and fourteen with Tebow. Every time he has touched the field, the offense has been more productive. When it stops being more productive, we can discuss the reasons for it. Until then, it just seems like you don't want it to be true.

See, this is what gets me. I've seen you make great posts, thoughtful posts. But for some reason you always find a reason to pin people into these very black and white categories, usually as a result of some perceived threat against your viewpoint.

Here we are, having an (in my opinion) interesting discussion on sample size and how it relates to the improvement that everyone sees in the offense and maybe some root causes of it, and now suddenly you're accusing me of not wanting to see the Broncos be successful on offense. That is just the most ridiculous thing, but it should be expected from you by now.

I like Tebow. Everyone on this ****ing board except TGN likes Tebow. I really doubt anyone wants him to fail, especially me, because that means our favorite team is failing and has wasted another 1st round pick. So to accuse anyone of rooting against the guy is dumb.

My expectations are just tapered. If you truly feel that Tebow will now lead the Broncos to an end of the year finish in the top 10 in scoring offense, then good for you. I feel that this team is really ****ty, and that I'll believe it when I see it, and if I do, I'll be super excited about it.

So please, stop it with this "with me or against me" mentality of placing people in camps at one extreme or the other. It contributes nothing when I've seen you contribute quality stuff.

Agamemnon
10-13-2011, 02:28 PM
I'll start worshipping Tebow when he wins us the division and home field throughout the playoffs.

Why not just hold out for a Super Bowl win then?

Agamemnon
10-13-2011, 02:30 PM
See, this is what gets me. I've seen you make great posts, thoughtful posts. But for some reason you always find a reason to pin people into these very black and white categories, usually as a result of some perceived threat against your viewpoint.

Having a discussion with someone who honestly believes they are never wrong: pointless.

Agamemnon
10-13-2011, 02:32 PM
You realize you count the Cassius Vaughn KRTD in that, right (22ppg otherwise)? And that it was only over 3 games?

Tebow is an exciting QB, not a productive one. Yet. Hopefully he can be.

Tebow has scored 13 TDs in a little over 4 and a half games worth of plays. That's pretty freaking productive. At least so far.

maher_tyler
10-13-2011, 02:34 PM
You realize you count the Cassius Vaughn KRTD in that, right (22ppg otherwise)? And that it was only over 3 games?

Tebow is an exciting QB, not a productive one. Yet. Hopefully he can be.

That pick was when Orton was still in the game. I think what he was trying to point out is that we were well on pace for 25 points we've averaged with Tebow as starter. On that last hail mary throw, we were in FG range as well.

Rohirrim
10-13-2011, 02:35 PM
Why not just hold out for a Super Bowl win then?

I figure we can start small and work up to it.

jhns
10-13-2011, 02:35 PM
See, this is what gets me. I've seen you make great posts, thoughtful posts. But for some reason you always find a reason to pin people into these very black and white categories, usually as a result of some perceived threat against your viewpoint.

Here we are, having an (in my opinion) interesting discussion on sample size and how it relates to the improvement that everyone sees in the offense and maybe some root causes of it, and now suddenly you're accusing me of not wanting to see the Broncos be successful on offense. That is just the most ridiculous thing, but it should be expected from you by now.

I like Tebow. Everyone on this ****ing board except TGN likes Tebow. I really doubt anyone wants him to fail, especially me, because that means our favorite team is failing and has wasted another 1st round pick. So to accuse anyone of rooting against the guy is dumb.

My expectations are just tapered. If you truly feel that Tebow will now lead the Broncos to an end of the year finish in the top 10 in scoring offense, then good for you. I feel that this team is really ****ty, and that I'll believe it when I see it, and if I do, I'll be super excited about it.

So please, stop it with this "with me or against me" mentality of placing people in camps at one extreme or the other. It contributes nothing when I've seen you contribute quality stuff.

I didn't say you want to see a ****ty offense. I didn't say Tebow will lead a top ten offense over a full season. I stated facts that you refuted. I said it seems like you don't want these facts to be true.

Honestly, I didn't care for the drafting of Tebow. I had no opinion of him until he played those three games. In those three games, this offense was productive. We played two common opponents, and while we still lost, the offense played much better. We saw it again this year. This makes me very excited to see how it plays out.

I haven't once said people are rooting against him. I called tony a hater for his actions over the past few years. He defends Orton and McDaniels and jumps on people for being negative. Now he refuses to defend Tebow as he jumps on people for being positive. I would say the behavior sure proves my point. If you don't agree, fine.

jhns
10-13-2011, 02:38 PM
Having a discussion with someone who knows they are never wrong: pointless.

fify

Don't worry, you are the first McFan I have upset.

Agamemnon
10-13-2011, 02:51 PM
fify

Don't worry, you are the first McFan I have upset.

Having a discussion with someone who calls anyone who disagrees with them a "McFan": pointless.

jhns
10-13-2011, 02:54 PM
Having a discussion with someone who calls anyone who disagrees with them a "McFan": pointless.

That isn't close to what happens. It is only if you defend bad moves made by McDaniels, or McDaniels himself, that you are called a McFan.

Agamemnon
10-13-2011, 02:55 PM
That isn't close to what happens. It is only if you defend bad moves made by McDaniels, or McDaniels himself, that you are called a McFan.

Or when you call Cutler mediocre. Seriously dude, who are you kidding?

jhns
10-13-2011, 03:25 PM
Or when you call Cutler mediocre. Seriously dude, who are you kidding?

Or when ypu defend horrible moves that did nothing but hurt this franchise...

Seriously dude, who are you kidding?

McFans cant be helped.

fontaine
10-13-2011, 03:35 PM
http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/nerd-fight.jpg

barryr
10-13-2011, 04:09 PM
Tebow has scored 13 TDs in a little over 4 and a half games worth of plays. That's pretty freaking productive. At least so far.

I have to agree. This Tebow can not play under center, passes don't look picture perfect, throwing motion isn't like everyone else, etc. is fine, but the guy seems to be able to lead the team to scores and that is the bottom line. Orton throws a better ball, but what does that prove? Tebow can throw ugly passes for all I care if he is able to get more points on the board, more than what they have been doing even going back to last season when Orton was the QB then.

Last season, the Broncos scored over 20 points in only 5 of 13 games that Orton was the QB. In Tebow's 3 games, they scored over 20 in all 3 games.

Durango
10-13-2011, 05:14 PM
Man, everyone has some kind of joke about this kid and his gee-golly nature, but no-one should ever doubt his drive.

I just don't know if he's the Bronco future at QB, but he seems determined to prove he is.

Agamemnon
10-13-2011, 05:23 PM
Or when ypu defend horrible moves that did nothing but hurt this franchise...

Seriously dude, who are you kidding?

McFans cant be helped.

Calling Cutler mediocre has nothing to do with McD. Not sure why you don't get that...

jhns
10-13-2011, 06:04 PM
Calling Cutler mediocre has nothing to do with McD. Not sure why you don't get that...

Whatever you say McFan.

Agamemnon
10-13-2011, 06:10 PM
Whatever you say McFan.

Is the goal here to end up on as many peoples' ignore lists as possible? If so, congratulations, you are making progress...

Rolandftw
10-13-2011, 06:14 PM
It's good to hear that Tebow is working hard... but I still think most QB's that want to win work hard.

These 'intangibles' are nice, but you win by how you throw the ball in the end. That's what he has to get better at. Hope he can do it.

Powderaddict
10-13-2011, 06:23 PM
Is the goal here to end up on as many peoples' ignore lists as possible? I so, congratulations, you are making progress...

He git on mine about 2 weeks after signing on LOL

jhns
10-13-2011, 06:46 PM
Is the goal here to end up on as many peoples' ignore lists as possible? If so, congratulations, you are making progress...

Poor guy.

TonyR
10-13-2011, 07:28 PM
Now he refuses to defend Tebow...

Who/what do I need to "defend Tebow" against? I think almost everybody here likes him and is pulling for him to succeed. I've asked more than once for you to produce some evidence of me "hating" him. Still waiting.

jhns
10-13-2011, 07:39 PM
Who/what do I need to "defend Tebow" against? I think almost everybody here likes him and is pulling for him to succeed. I've asked more than once for you to produce some evidence of me "hating" him. Still waiting.

This entire thread... http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3328843#post3328843

That is not supportive.

vancejohnson82
10-13-2011, 07:47 PM
This entire thread... http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3328843#post3328843

That is not supportive.

you're a tool....

that post shows that he DEFINITELY wants Tebow to succeed...just pointing out that McDaniels sucked

so he isnt a "McFan" and he is supportive of Tebow

congrats, you have gone full retard

jhns
10-13-2011, 07:49 PM
you're a tool....

that post shows that he DEFINITELY wants Tebow to succeed...just pointing out that McDaniels sucked

so he isnt a "McFan" and he is supportive of Tebow

congrats, you have gone full retard

I said that thread. One post does not make a thread. He has like 20 posts in it...

How is arguing that Tebow isn't close to what he is hyped up to be, being supportive? Especially when all facts say you are wrong.

This all said, I get why you are confused. I would never expect you to read more than a few words.

vancejohnson82
10-13-2011, 07:57 PM
I said that thread. One post does not make a thread. He has like 20 posts in it...

How is arguing that Tebow isn't close to what he is hyped up to be, being supportive? Especially when all facts say you are wrong.

This all said, I get why you are confused. I would never expect you to read more than a few words.

haha...you say, "read this thread" then go to a post that COMPLETELY refutes your point

congrats....remind me not to consult you for legal advice...

or anything for that matter

TonyR
10-14-2011, 05:46 AM
This entire thread... http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3328843#post3328843

That is not supportive.

I didn't start that thread. And nowhere in it did I "hate" Tim Tebow.

jhns
10-14-2011, 05:48 AM
haha...you say, "read this thread" then go to a post that COMPLETELY refutes your point

congrats....remind me not to consult you for legal advice...

or anything for that matter

I copy and pasted the link to the thread. I figured you were smart enough to navigate a thread. I will never make that mistake again.

vancejohnson82
10-14-2011, 05:50 AM
I copy and pasted the link to the thread. I figured you were smart enough to navigate a thread. I will never make that mistake again.

Dance, clown

jhns
10-14-2011, 05:55 AM
I didn't start that thread. And nowhere in it did I "hate" Tim Tebow.

Yes you did. Explain why you suddenly want to talk down the QB then...

I never claimed you said you hated Tebow, I said you are a hater. So if I show you posts were I said that I hope McDaniels and Orton are good, even though I doubted them, would you then say I'm not a McDaniels/Orton hater? I never once said I hated Orton, as I don't know Orton. This doesn't change the fact that I had nothing positive to say about him and even argued against people that did say something positive. I was a hater, just like you are now.

jhns
10-14-2011, 05:57 AM
Dance, clown

Learn to read kid. Your lack of reading ability is just getting sad.

MacGruder
10-14-2011, 06:03 AM
It's good to hear that Tebow is working hard... but I still think most QB's that want to win work hard.

These 'intangibles' are nice, but you win by how you throw the ball in the end. That's what he has to get better at. Hope he can do it.

This just shows the misconceptions about Tebow.. he may have weaknesses.. he may be inconsistent at times.. but he is not a bad passer. I have seen Tebow make many great passes in his 4 games that Orton NEVER seems to make.

When you add his freakish athleticism the sky is really the limit if a coach can utilize him effectively. That is a big if though. There are a lot of terrible coaches in the NFL. Just look at John Fox's record with QBs over the last 2 seasons. If Tebow can win with Fox then Tebow really is great.

vancejohnson82
10-14-2011, 06:06 AM
Yes you did. Explain why you suddenly want to talk down the QB then...

I never claimed you said you hated Tebow, I said you are a hater. So if I show you posts were I said that I hope McDaniels and Orton are good, even though I doubted them, would you then say I'm not a McDaniels/Orton hater? I never once said I hated Orton, as I don't know Orton. This doesn't change the fact that I had nothing positive to say about him and even argued against people that did say something positive. I was a hater, just like you are now.

you still haven't proved anything.....you would have been better off linking some random thread and making a baseless claim

you're terrible when it comes to arguing any points or backing any of your claims...you're a clown

jhns
10-14-2011, 06:09 AM
you still haven't proved anything.....you would have been better off linking some random thread and making a baseless claim

you're terrible when it comes to arguing any points or backing any of your claims...you're a clown

Poor guy thinks he can understamd what I typed now. That is funny/sad consodering he can't get through a sentence without getting confused and frustrated.

vancejohnson82
10-14-2011, 06:11 AM
Poor guy thinks he can understamd what I typed now. That is funny/sad consodering he can't get through a sentence without getting confused and frustrated.

I'm struggling to get through this word

jhns
10-14-2011, 06:14 AM
I'm struggling to get through this word

I get that. Why would anyone think you could figure out a typo when you can't read basic English.

crawdad
10-14-2011, 06:51 AM
Why do you always have to be a jerk? Do you have anything constructive to add? It is always, "you're stupid, you're wrong, you're a dumbass" with you!

jhns
10-14-2011, 06:53 AM
Why do you always have to be a jerk? Do you have anything constructive to add? It is always, "you're stupid, you're wrong, you're a dumbass" with you!

Only because you are stupid, wrong, and a dumbass...

MOCRUSH
10-14-2011, 10:26 AM
It's good to hear that Tebow is working hard... but I still think most QB's that want to win work hard.

These 'intangibles' are nice, but you win by how you throw the ball in the end. That's what he has to get better at. Hope he can do it.

This is why Dan Marino went to five Superbowl games, won two of them and all John Elway could do was...oh wait...

vonqkilla
10-14-2011, 11:00 AM
Tebow is gonna show growth and suprise alot of people. We are going to trounce the fins.