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epicSocialism4tw
10-13-2011, 10:32 AM
"Tebow's been doing that since he was little, man -- winning football games, coming back, playing great for his team. ... He's going to turn that team around."

--Dolphins center Mike Pouncey, Tebow's former teammate at Florida

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/1110/nfl-tim-tebow-what-they-are-saying/content.1.html?eref=sircrc

Requiem
10-13-2011, 10:34 AM
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Rohirrim
10-13-2011, 10:50 AM
Tebow is bigger than Jesus.

epicSocialism4tw
10-13-2011, 10:52 AM
I imagine that over the next couple of weeks, there will be a slew of interesting articles that come out of Florida.

You Florida folks should keep us in the know.

Smiling Assassin27
10-13-2011, 11:00 AM
Tebow is bigger than Jesus.

yeah, by all accounts, Jesus was 5'7", 157 lbs. tebow passed him up around age 6.

Jetmeck
10-13-2011, 11:26 AM
Watching the coaches show on NFL network last night.

I found it highly amusing that whats his name that coached Vick in Atlanta was so negative about Tebow being unable to pass accurately from the pocket.

You have to be able to pass to win in this leaque. Well hello he already had had some real nice passes in the few games he has played and some bad ones as well. The funny part is that is EXACTLY what they said about Vick while this guy coached him in Atlanta was that he couldn't be a pocket passer.
Remember all that controversy ?????

Maybe someone should remind this dip**** of that......we all know Vick has found the maturity to add a pocket passing attack to his game. Tebow will too, he already has shown signs of it. But with no off the field problems like Vick.

He is gonna win us games and get the hair on the back of your neck standing up like in the Elway/TD days.

Think the coach in question is Jim Mora , just not sure.

TheDave
10-13-2011, 11:31 AM
Watching the coaches show on NFL network last night.

I found it highly amusing that whats his name that coached Vick in Atlanta was so negative about Tebow being unable to pass accurately from the pocket.

You have to be able to pass to win in this leaque. Well hello he already had had some real nice passes in the few games he has played and some bad ones as well. The funny part is that is EXACTLY what they said about Vick while this guy coached him in Atlanta was that he couldn't be a pocket passer.
Remember all that controversy ?????

Maybe someone should remind this dip**** of that......we all know Vick has found the maturity to add a pocket passing attack to his game. Tebow will too, he already has shown signs of it. But with no off the field problems like Vick.

He is gonna win us games and get the hair on the back of your neck standing up like in the Elway/TD days.

Think the coach in question is Jim Mora , just not sure.

Remember? Vick still can not pass well enough from the pocket.

bronclvr
10-13-2011, 11:36 AM
I love this quote:


"Tebow's been doing that since he was little, man -- winning football games, coming back, playing great for his team. ... He's going to turn that team around."

--Dolphins center Mike Pouncey, Tebow's former teammate at Florida

teknic
10-13-2011, 11:38 AM
Watching the coaches show on NFL network last night.

I found it highly amusing that whats his name that coached Vick in Atlanta was so negative about Tebow being unable to pass accurately from the pocket.

You have to be able to pass to win in this leaque. Well hello he already had had some real nice passes in the few games he has played and some bad ones as well. The funny part is that is EXACTLY what they said about Vick while this guy coached him in Atlanta was that he couldn't be a pocket passer.
Remember all that controversy ?????

Maybe someone should remind this dip**** of that......we all know Vick has found the maturity to add a pocket passing attack to his game. Tebow will too, he already has shown signs of it. But with no off the field problems like Vick.

He is gonna win us games and get the hair on the back of your neck standing up like in the Elway/TD days.

Think the coach in question is Jim Mora , just not sure.

You are very close. The coach of the Falcons when Vick was drafted was Jim Mora Jr. (who almost ended up as our defensive coordinator this year). Jim Mora (Sr.) is this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40mhBE5MpbA

bronclvr
10-13-2011, 11:40 AM
And this one:


"I don't know how they'll do as far as wins, but I can tell you they won't be disappointed in him,'' said Jabar Gaffney, the Redskins veteran receiver who played with and caught passes from Tebow last year in Denver, where he went 1-2 as the Broncos starter in the last three games of the season. "You won't find a guy who's going to work harder out there and compete any harder than Tim. Last year I got to play with him as a rookie, and I got to work out with him a couple times over this past offseason.

"I could just see in our workouts that he was a bit more poised over the offseason. He changed up his throwing a little bit, and he was getting rid of the ball a lot quicker and making some great throws. I'm excited myself to see how he does out there actually. Because from playing with him last year, and working out with him this year, it was like night and day. You could see that confidence inside of him, like he's ready to play now.''



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/10/13/tim.tebow/index.html#ixzz1agViXfSq

crush17
10-13-2011, 11:56 AM
And this one:


"I don't know how they'll do as far as wins, but I can tell you they won't be disappointed in him,'' said Jabar Gaffney, the Redskins veteran receiver who played with and caught passes from Tebow last year in Denver, where he went 1-2 as the Broncos starter in the last three games of the season. "You won't find a guy who's going to work harder out there and compete any harder than Tim. Last year I got to play with him as a rookie, and I got to work out with him a couple times over this past offseason.

"I could just see in our workouts that he was a bit more poised over the offseason. He changed up his throwing a little bit, and he was getting rid of the ball a lot quicker and making some great throws. I'm excited myself to see how he does out there actually. Because from playing with him last year, and working out with him this year, it was like night and day. You could see that confidence inside of him, like he's ready to play now.''



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/10/13/tim.tebow/index.html#ixzz1agViXfSq

That article kind of pisses me off. They are acting like all he gets is this season to prove his worth. Whatever happened to patience? People improve with experience for crying out loud.

pricejj
10-13-2011, 12:01 PM
yeah, by all accounts, Jesus was 5'7", 157 lbs. tebow passed him up around age 6.

bob marley??

jhns
10-13-2011, 12:01 PM
That article kind of pisses me off. They are acting like all he gets is this season to prove his worth. Whatever happened to patience? People improve with experience for crying out loud.

He might not get much more than this season. His popularity has created a large crowd of extreme haters. Most have taken extreme stances, which means Tebow won't get a fair shot. If he wons though, his popularity will be twice what it should be. This part is good for Bronco fans as everyone will be talking Bronco football.

AlphaSeirra
10-13-2011, 12:03 PM
Tebow is bigger than Jesus.


At LAST, Tebow is shown to be bigger than Jesus and Elway! 8')

John Elway 6-3 215 ----- Tim Tebow 6-3 235

======================================

Putting a well deserving Bronco Hero into a little bit of perspective.

John had to LOSE three SB, before finally winning two to end his long 16 year NFL career.
It took John 15 years into his career to bring Denver it's 1st SB win.

John's NFL Career PER was less than 80 (79.9).
John's NFL Career Winning Percentage was only .641
John's NFL Career Yds/Att passing was 7.1 yds.
John's rookie year saw a 47.5% completion rate and a 54.9 PER over 11 games.
(but I never remember people harping that John had a weak/inaccurate arm)

The NFL.com site I looked at didn't record QB fumbles until 1991:
From 91-98, John averaged 8 fumbles per season, 4 lost poss.
The most rushing TD's that John ever had in a season was 6 (in 1991)
His most fumbles in a season was in 1991/92 with 12 Fumbles.
His most lost poss fumbles in a season was in 1997 with 8.
But somehow we never hear that he had trouble taking a snap or holding on to the ball when running it? :wiggle:

How big of a deal is being the #1 NFL draft pick as a QB?

Well, there have only been 3 #1 NFL draft pick QB's to make it into the NFL HoF.
Elway - Aikaman - Bradshaw, none of the others were the #1 pick.

If given enough time and a decent surrounding cast, Tim might eventually do as well.
So many unknowns are before him/us.

Listing the recorded stats is in NO WAY a diss on ANY player imo.
As I said, just putting a WELL Deserving Bronco Hero into a little bit of everyday perspective. :thumbsup:

Now, back to the Tebow bashing..... :deadhorse

epicSocialism4tw
10-13-2011, 12:14 PM
And this one:


"I don't know how they'll do as far as wins, but I can tell you they won't be disappointed in him,'' said Jabar Gaffney, the Redskins veteran receiver who played with and caught passes from Tebow last year in Denver, where he went 1-2 as the Broncos starter in the last three games of the season. "You won't find a guy who's going to work harder out there and compete any harder than Tim. Last year I got to play with him as a rookie, and I got to work out with him a couple times over this past offseason.

"I could just see in our workouts that he was a bit more poised over the offseason. He changed up his throwing a little bit, and he was getting rid of the ball a lot quicker and making some great throws. I'm excited myself to see how he does out there actually. Because from playing with him last year, and working out with him this year, it was like night and day. You could see that confidence inside of him, like he's ready to play now.''



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/don_banks/10/13/tim.tebow/index.html#ixzz1agViXfSq

There's alot of good stuff in there, mainly Dilfer's description of the difference in the modern QB and the QB's of the 1980's. He claims that modern QB's and modern offenses are based on the quick release. While this is true, I think that it is characteristic of the way that top players have defined the position and the copycat way that other teams try to emulate it. Things have not always been that way, and they wont always be that way. Tebow, Cam, and Vick could be the next revolution of the position...people have been predicting it for years.

He basically said that Tebow is an Elway-type. I'm sure that will disappoint Broncos fans. Ha!

Its cool to see how much belief that Gaffney has in Tebow. Its a shame that they traded him away because he would have been a great safety valve.

Dedhed
10-13-2011, 12:30 PM
I wish we'd kept Gaffney around. He was clearly in Tebow's camp from the very beginning because of the UF connection.

Fedaykin
10-13-2011, 12:31 PM
At LAST, Tebow is shown to be bigger than Jesus and Elway! 8')

John Elway 6-3 215 ----- Tim Tebow 6-3 235

======================================

Putting a well deserving Bronco Hero into a little bit of perspective.

John had to LOSE three SB, before finally winning two to end his long 16 year NFL career.
It took John 15 years into his career to bring Denver it's 1st SB win.

John's NFL Career PER was less than 80 (79.9).
John's NFL Career Winning Percentage was only .641
John's NFL Career Yds/Att passing was 7.1 yds.
John's rookie year saw a 47.5% completion rate and a 54.9 PER over 11 games.
(but I never remember people harping that John had a weak/inaccurate arm)

The NFL.com site I looked at didn't record QB fumbles until 1991:
From 91-98, John averaged 8 fumbles per season, 4 lost poss.
The most rushing TD's that John ever had in a season was 6 (in 1991)
His most fumbles in a season was in 1991/92 with 12 Fumbles.
His most lost poss fumbles in a season was in 1997 with 8.
But somehow we never hear that he had trouble taking a snap or holding on to the ball when running it? :wiggle:

How big of a deal is being the #1 NFL draft pick as a QB?

Well, there have only been 3 #1 NFL draft pick QB's to make it into the NFL HoF.
Elway - Aikaman - Bradshaw, none of the others were the #1 pick.

If given enough time and a decent surrounding cast, Tim might eventually do as well.
So many unknowns are before him/us.

Listing the recorded stats is in NO WAY a diss on ANY player imo.
As I said, just putting a WELL Deserving Bronco Hero into a little bit of everyday perspective. :thumbsup:

Now, back to the Tebow bashing..... :deadhorse

Looking at stats only is foolhardy. Comparing stats from yesterday's NFL to today's NFL is doubly so.

It great we're gonna see what Tebow can bring -- let's just not anoint him just yet. Don't pull a MacGruder and claim Tebow is already an elite NFL passer.

Heyneck
10-13-2011, 12:42 PM
I can't say I have watched Tim play all his life....but every video, documentary,snipet,etc (from popwarner and on) that I have been able to set my eyes on...I just see someone that is BOSS. I have great faith that he will succeed! And that he will succeed with US!!!

I am just curious to think what all his detractors will say when this happens! Will they eat crow and admit they were wrong??? Or will the haters just say that the result is based on Tebow being a different QB from his college days by working on the stuff they stated needed to be worked on and that he would naver be capable of doing?

ps.: pardon my english

bendog
10-13-2011, 12:45 PM
Hey, miracles happen.

bronclvr
10-13-2011, 12:45 PM
As we sat at a picnic table at Dove Valley, Fox emphatically stated that he — not John Elway and not Pat Bowlen — made the decision to promote Tebow to No. 1, “just as I did Sunday,” when the coach changed his quarterbacks at halftime. “It was a gut reaction,” Fox said.

Extra point It seems doubtful that Fox relied purely on gut instinct. This decision is too important for the franchise. In a way, though, Fox is in a no-lose situation. If Tebow succeeds, the Broncos will prosper, and that’s good news for all. If Tebow fails, that will release some of the pressure that has been building for Fox and Denver management. Fox can say: See, I gave the kid a shot. Fox will no doubt give him a fair shot. He wants to win. But if Tebow falls on his face, do you suppose Fox will not be as disappointed as he professes?

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/its-tebow-time-and-john-fox-cant-lose/

bendog
10-13-2011, 12:46 PM
He's not Fox's guy. He really hopes Tim fails.

epicSocialism4tw
10-13-2011, 12:50 PM
I can't say I have watched Tim play all his life....but every video, documentary,snipet,etc (from popwarner and on) that I have been able to set my eyes on...I just see someone that is BOSS. I have great faith that he will succeed! And that he will succeed with US!!!

I am just curious to think what all his detractors will say when this happens! Will they eat crow and admit they were wrong??? Or will the haters just say that the result is based on Tebow being a different QB from his college days by working on the stuff they stated needed to be worked on and that he would naver be capable of doing?

ps.: pardon my english

They'll just keep raising the bar. The conversation will change to "can he win playoff games?", then "can he win a superbowl?", etc.

If Tebow has success, the polarization will get more and more pronounced and Tebow will get more and more attention.

Tebow could be more everpresent than Favre ever was.

Dedhed
10-13-2011, 12:52 PM
He's not Fox's guy. He really hopes Tim fails.

Why do people say dumb stuff that they just have no idea about?

bendog
10-13-2011, 12:53 PM
actually heyneck, there are probably no more than five posters here who dislike Tebow or hope that he fails, but a lot of people here really dislike the tebowites, like angry lama, who like tebow fro things having nothing to do with football.

bendog
10-13-2011, 12:53 PM
Why do people say dumb stuff that they just have no idea about?

well, then why do you post? LOL

epicSocialism4tw
10-13-2011, 12:54 PM
But if Tebow falls on his face, do you suppose Fox will not be as disappointed as he professes?

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/12/its-tebow-time-and-john-fox-cant-lose/
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That's a stupid assumption. Best case scenario for Fox is that Tebow works out and makes him look like a genius.

Worst case scenario is that the Broncos have to readdress the QB spot with more assets.

Heyneck
10-13-2011, 01:23 PM
actually heyneck, there are probably no more than five posters here who dislike Tebow or hope that he fails, but a lot of people here really dislike the tebowites, like angry lama, who like tebow fro things having nothing to do with football.

I concur.....but what about the media? the so called "experts" that bash him on a daily rutine?

bendog
10-13-2011, 01:31 PM
The only media I see is the annoying Skip Bayless who is on in the lockerroom when I shower and change. He's a tebow homer who thinks it's obvious that Elway and Fox don't know a quarterback, or what it takes to play qb, and Tebow should have started day one, despite reports of the staff thinking he's regressed in terms of footwork and delivery. And despite Elway and Fox tryign to trade Orton early in camp.

I read Hoge blast him. But I think it cuts both ways. Talking heads get paid to talk. Outside of Schlefter and to a lesser extent Mortonson and the little bald guy with glasses, whose name I can't pull up, I don't pay much attention.

Most everyone wants Tebow to succeed, as he's a likeable young man, but they're tired of the hype which is based on non-football .... crap. I mean I'm glad he's nice to sick children, but he's not the only one, and others do it more quietly.

schaaf
10-13-2011, 01:32 PM
He's not Fox's guy. He really hopes Tim fails.

I actually remember hearing on an interview after Fox was hired that he had said that he would have taken Tim with Carolina's second round pick instead of Clausen.

Can't find the link but I remember it clearly and since then have never understood the proclamation that Fox hates Tebow.

epicSocialism4tw
10-13-2011, 01:33 PM
The only media I see is the annoying Skip Bayless who is on in the lockerroom when I shower and change. He's a tebow homer who thinks it's obvious that Elway and Fox don't know a quarterback, or what it takes to play qb, and Tebow should have started day one, despite reports of the staff thinking he's regressed in terms of footwork and delivery. And despite Elway and Fox tryign to trade Orton early in camp.

I read Hoge blast him. But I think it cuts both ways. Talking heads get paid to talk. Outside of Schlefter and to a lesser extent Mortonson and the little bald guy with glasses, whose name I can't pull up, I don't pay much attention.

Most everyone wants Tebow to succeed, as he's a likeable young man, but they're tired of the hype which is based on non-football .... crap. I mean I'm glad he's nice to sick children, but he's not the only one, and others do it more quietly.

Just shut up with the religious stuff already.

Shananahan
10-13-2011, 01:35 PM
John's NFL Career Winning Percentage was only .641
Only?

Jetmeck
10-13-2011, 01:48 PM
Remember? Vick still can not pass well enough from the pocket.

Really try watching Philly highlights ?

Heyneck
10-13-2011, 01:50 PM
The only media I see is the annoying Skip Bayless who is on in the lockerroom when I shower and change. He's a tebow homer who thinks it's obvious that Elway and Fox don't know a quarterback, or what it takes to play qb, and Tebow should have started day one, despite reports of the staff thinking he's regressed in terms of footwork and delivery. And despite Elway and Fox tryign to trade Orton early in camp.

I read Hoge blast him. But I think it cuts both ways. Talking heads get paid to talk. Outside of Schlefter and to a lesser extent Mortonson and the little bald guy with glasses, whose name I can't pull up, I don't pay much attention.

Most everyone wants Tebow to succeed, as he's a likeable young man, but they're tired of the hype which is based on non-football .... crap. I mean I'm glad he's nice to sick children, but he's not the only one, and others do it more quietly.

I really don't know what you are hearing or reading...but by all means most of the media people bashed him before he even played a significant snap in the NFL. I could probably list 10 people in the media that have no doubt he will never succed...but they always state that they hope he proves them wrong (some how they think this makes their statements not look that bad).

I know Tim hasn't done anything yet....but give the guy a chance. When Vick came out of college he was electric, had a great arm, and a beautiful deep ball. But his accuracy was far worst than Tebows. Nobody bashed the falcons for picking a "project" QB #1 overall. He gets attacked because of his clear and goodie 2 shoes image....pure envy I say. Tim has played and BOSSED every level of organized football. I have no doubts the same will translate to the NFL.

I am not a Tebow homer. I am a BRONCO fan but some how now days you can't talk about tebow without being a tebownite.

TheDave
10-13-2011, 01:55 PM
Really try watching Philly highlights ?

Yeah... try watching Philly games. Believe it or not all his passes are not "highlights"

Heyneck
10-13-2011, 01:56 PM
Really try watching Philly highlights ?

I agree. Vick is a much better pocket passer now days. But it took him a long time and proper coaching to get there.

Binkythefrog
10-13-2011, 01:56 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=TMR111013

This is an interesting piece on how some fantasy writer met him, was skeptical and then found out Tebow is awesome.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/2011/10/13/2011-10-13_tim_tebow_is_more_than_just_a_headline_as_denve r_broncos_qb_deserves_this_chance.html

Here's another recounting some random bartender's story that non broncos fans were cheering hard for Tebow.

"I've been tending bar forever and in my 30-plus years of tending bar, I'd never seen anything like it for a non-local team in the regular season," said Tommy Bouchoux, the pub's co-owner. "Everyone was down and then they got up again. People were going crazy. People in Jets jerseys, Giants jerseys and women who weren't even hard-core football fans. Everyone was a Broncos fan. That part of the game wasn't on long but Tim Tebow helped our business that night."

I'm not quite sure why this kinda of stuff happens with him. I for one was PISSED when the Broncos drafted him.... but now I can't wait to see him play.

Arkie
10-13-2011, 06:21 PM
You are very close. The coach of the Falcons when Vick was drafted was Jim Mora Jr. (who almost ended up as our defensive coordinator this year). Jim Mora (Sr.) is this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40mhBE5MpbA

Dan Reeves drafted Vick.

Jay3
10-13-2011, 06:30 PM
New England TE Aaron Hernandez:

Hernandez also put in a good word for his former college quarterback, Tim Tebow, who is expected to start for the Broncos this week.

"Tim's a great player," said Hernandez. "I loved him in college, he’s a playmaker. Hopefully he can go out there this week and make some plays; Hopefully he can succeed, because I feel like he’s going to be a great quarterback.

"He's a winner. You want someone like that in your huddle and he’s going to know everything. People might not like his throwing technique, but he’s a winner and he’s going to find ways to make plays. He'll get that first down whether has to run or throw it, and makes things happen."

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4706261/hernandez-on-chicken-brace-tebow

Agamemnon
10-13-2011, 06:38 PM
He's not Fox's guy. He really hopes Tim fails.

So Fox is a complete asshole who would prefer a young QB with lots of talent and a good attitude fail because he didn't hand pick him? So much so that he's willing to see his team completely go down the drain in the process? I guess it's possible. There are plenty of assholes in the world, but it doesn't really jive with what people say about the guy.

Fox is a boring, overly conservative coach who I have little faith in to take us anywhere, but I really doubt he's a complete asshole...

RaiderH8r
10-13-2011, 07:20 PM
I wish we'd kept Gaffney around. He was clearly in Tebow's camp from the very beginning because of the UF connection.

Yeah, that sucks. We traded him for that Jarmon slapdick who is bagging groceries at King Sooper and kissing weenie for dollar bills. Dumb, dumb trade. I'm pretty sure Gaffney is better at DL than Jarmon anyway.

alkemical
10-13-2011, 07:23 PM
Yeah... try watching Philly games. Believe it or not all his passes are not "highlights"

You know it's good when you listen to phi games on the radio, and you can just hear the "wtf" in the phi announcers voices. it's tasty & quite wholesome.

Agamemnon
10-13-2011, 07:26 PM
Only?

Yep, he only averaged a little more than 10-6 every year. Hilarious!

alkemical
10-13-2011, 07:26 PM
I agree. Vick is a much better pocket passer now days. But it took him a long time and proper coaching to get there.

well...don't forget the prison sex.

Bronx33
10-13-2011, 07:38 PM
Tebow is bigger than Jesus.


Pffffttttt!!

AZorange1
10-13-2011, 07:40 PM
Anybody out there heard anything about Tebow signing a contract to do some kind-a movie with "Die Hard" stuff? I know I wasn't seeing things at mid-day today when I caught the tail end of it on ESPN.

Jay3
10-13-2011, 07:57 PM
Anybody out there heard anything about Tebow signing a contract to do some kind-a movie with "Die Hard" stuff? I know I wasn't seeing things at mid-day today when I caught the tail end of it on ESPN.

It grew out of an off-hand remark on the Jim Rome show from some Fox producer.

AZorange1
10-13-2011, 08:22 PM
It grew out of an off-hand remark on the Jim Rome show from some Fox producer.

Oh OK, thanks-wasn't sure if I was hearing it right-

Heyneck
10-13-2011, 08:40 PM
well...don't forget the prison sex.

LOL "You better get that pass right Mike, or you are getting 20 inch bob!"

MacGruder
10-13-2011, 08:57 PM
Looking at stats only is foolhardy. Comparing stats from yesterday's NFL to today's NFL is doubly so.

It great we're gonna see what Tebow can bring -- let's just not anoint him just yet. Don't pull a MacGruder and claim Tebow is already an elite NFL passer.

Right... but it's ok to say Andrew Luck is the next Peyton Manning even though he hasn't even faced anywhere near the level of competition Tebow did in college...

MacGruder
10-13-2011, 09:00 PM
So Fox is a complete a-hole who would prefer a young QB with lots of talent and a good attitude fail because he didn't hand pick him? So much so that he's willing to see his team completely go down the drain in the process? I guess it's possible. There are plenty of a-holes in the world, but it doesn't really jive with what people say about the guy.

Fox is a boring, overly conservative coach who I have little faith in to take us anywhere, but I really doubt he's a complete a-hole...

What would you call someone that blames Tebow for not being able to adapt to him and ignores the fact he can't adapt to Tebow?

The NFL is full of these guys, BTW.

Dedhed
10-13-2011, 09:02 PM
He's a tebow homer who thinks it's obvious that Elway and Fox don't know a quarterback, or what it takes to play qb

As opposed to the numerous pundits who said that they knew Orton had the skills to lead this team to wins?