OWS Protester Wants College Paid for Because That Is What He Wants

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http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/279808/ows-protester-wants-college-paid-because-what-he-wants-charles-c-w-cooke

In picking someone out from a crowd, one runs the risk of being accused of cherry-picking. So be it. Over the last week I have spoken to a significant number of people involved in the Occupy Wall Street protests, and I have got an idea of some of the themes running through the movement, even if I’m not too much closer to discovering what it would do about its grievances. The videos that I have uploaded have each reflected a certain aspect, they have not been intended to imply that the demonstration is made up of clones of those I chose. The Man In The East German Military Uniform was not included to suggest that all the protesters are borderline insane, but rather to demonstrate that there is a performance-art element to the thing that shouldn’t be overlooked. (And, judging by some of the singing I have heard, the people who rushed down with their acoustic guitars and “played all night” were not exactly at risk of missing a Carnegie Hall date by doing so.) The Amusing Man with the Amusing Sign was included because he had hit perfectly on the inchoate nature of the protests, and on the lack of any serious proposals. And the Vietnamese Immigrant made it up because he showed that there is a real cost to the protests, and one which transcends the police bill.

But nothing had prepared me for meeting this gentleman, who wants his college paid for because, well . . . that’s what he wants. He has perfectly articulated a sentiment I have heard repeatedly but was struggling to distill with anything like the clarity he achieved: That being that if there is something someone doesn’t like about their life, someone else somewhere should change it. And if they don’t, well then, the American Dream is dead:

[DBruleU]

This guy gets it.

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[epicSocialism4tw]

Ha!

"So what youre telling me is you've basically written down what you want like a Christmas list and you are holding it up in the air?"

Hilarious!

This couple hundred clowns are all zombies.

[epicSocialism4tw]

This guy gets it.

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Hilarious!

That dude is making me crack up over here!

[DBruleU]

This dude can't even run his business anymore.

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This dude apparently loves East Germany. Or he just thinks it's Oct. 31 already.

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And Gaffney's buddy is hanging out there. Maybe this is his friend that would regularly shoot the "bull" with Reagan at the Capital in Califronia.

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[Rohirrim]

You guys remind me of those idiot tourists who, when the waters receded on that beach in Thailand, ran out there to gather up all the fish that had been left behind. Meanwhile, the fisherman were running up the hills for high ground because they knew what was coming.

You make fun of the lack of cohesion of these protests when all they are is the initial, inchoate expression of national discontent. The people are just beginning to wake up and rub their eyes. The American people are beginning to realize that their quality of life is being sold down the river by greedy bastards who have no allegiance to this country; Whose only allegiance is to their own profit. They are beginning to realize that they are being sold out and don't get to vote on the process, because their vote no longer counts. This isn't capitalism. It's feudalism.

Meanwhile, look at the policy statements of the rabid Right. They celebrate the excesses of capitalism. They support the greed. They laugh at the pain of their own countrymen and tell them to "Get a job" where there are no jobs. Their's is a politics of pure meanness of spirit. Old people on social security? "**** them. Let them die." Gays in the military? "Boooooo! **** them!" Medicare? "**** them! Let 'em die." Executions? "We want more!" Immigrants? "**** them! Let 'em die!" Waterboarding? "Yay! We want more!" Girls getting maced in the face? "Yay! Give me more!" Americans losing their homes? "**** them! They deserve it." Americans losing their jobs? "**** them! That's business."

The Right continues to wallow in the mud of an immoral and miserly spirit, but that's okay. They are about to be washed away.

[BroncoJoe]

My 17 year old daughter wanted to get a job so she could pay for her own gas, lunches, etc.

She found one in less than 4 hours.

[peacepipe]

My 17 year old daughter wanted to get a job so she could pay for her own gas, lunches, etc.

She found one in less than 4 hours.WOW, that's great she's what 1 in 14 million. Kids don't have any major problems finding kid jobs.
The problem is everybodyelse trying get a real job.
besides whatever job she got,i'm pretty sure can't pay the mortgage,utility bills, & support a family.

[Rohirrim]

My 17 year old daughter wanted to get a job so she could pay for her own gas, lunches, etc.

She found one in less than 4 hours.

I'm sure an unemployed forty-something with a wife and children and a mortgage to pay could find one of those jobs to pay for his gas and lunches, too. After all, that's the kind of jobs we've become so good at creating in this country now. :oyvey:

[BroncoJoe]

She makes more than unemployment pays.

She also would never take a **** in public - let alone on a police car.

[Rohirrim]

She makes more than unemployment pays.

She also would never take a **** in public - let alone on a police car.

So, you accept the premise that one idiot represents the thousands who are there? You know, this is New York City. Have you ever been to NYC? There were a whole bunch of "street people" there before these protests started. They didn't go anywhere.

[BroncoJoe]

So, you accept the premise that one idiot represents the thousands who are there? You know, this is New York City. Have you ever been to NYC? There were a whole bunch of "street people" there before these protests started. They didn't go anywhere.

Sounds to me like we could turn this argument around to you all.

[Rohirrim]

Sounds to me like we could turn this argument around to you all.

If I knew what you meant by "you all" I'd be able to figure out the post.

[BroncoJoe]

If I knew what you meant by "you all" I'd be able to figure out the post.

Perhaps you're not as smart as I thought.

[BroncoJoe]

It's easy to target big business, banks, the government etc. for the state of the country. Everything in life is cyclical. You want someone to blame? Blame the parents of the mid 80's to early 90's. Things were good. Money was being made. People had jobs and money to burn. Our children - like those protesting - became spoiled. America lost it's work ethic, and thus began the "I'm entitled" mentality.

I fear the upcoming generation who will be in charge when I'm entering my golden years.

[epicSocialism4tw]

It's easy to target big business, banks, the government etc. for the state of the country. Everything in life is cyclical. You want someone to blame? Blame the parents of the mid 80's to early 90's. Things were good. Money was being made. People had jobs and money to burn. Our children - like those protesting - became spoiled. America lost it's work ethic, and thus began the "I'm entitled" mentality.

I fear the upcoming generation who will be in charge when I'm entering my golden years.

Absolutely.

[alkemical]

It's easy to target big business, banks, the government etc. for the state of the country. Everything in life is cyclical. You want someone to blame? Blame the parents of the mid 80's to early 90's. Things were good. Money was being made. People had jobs and money to burn. Our children - like those protesting - became spoiled. America lost it's work ethic, and thus began the "I'm entitled" mentality.

I fear the upcoming generation who will be in charge when I'm entering my golden years.


Is it only the poor and middle class that feel entitled?

[Rohirrim]

It's easy to target big business, banks, the government etc. for the state of the country. Everything in life is cyclical. You want someone to blame? Blame the parents of the mid 80's to early 90's. Things were good. Money was being made. People had jobs and money to burn. Our children - like those protesting - became spoiled. America lost it's work ethic, and thus began the "I'm entitled" mentality.

I fear the upcoming generation who will be in charge when I'm entering my golden years.

That's completely false. Americans are still the most productive workers on Earth. In the last thirty years, American productivity has continually gone up while wages have stagnated or dropped and CEO profits, and profits to shareholders, have exploded. Face the facts, pal. We have been sold out.

Americans have not lost their work ethic. They are starting to sniff around and realize the game is rigged.

[Rigs11]

You guys remind me of those idiot tourists who, when the waters receded on that beach in Thailand, ran out there to gather up all the fish that had been left behind. Meanwhile, the fisherman were running up the hills for high ground because they knew what was coming.

You make fun of the lack of cohesion of these protests when all they are is the initial, inchoate expression of national discontent. The people are just beginning to wake up and rub their eyes. The American people are beginning to realize that their quality of life is being sold down the river by greedy bastards who have no allegiance to this country; Whose only allegiance is to their own profit. They are beginning to realize that they are being sold out and don't get to vote on the process, because their vote no longer counts. This isn't capitalism. It's feudalism.

Meanwhile, look at the policy statements of the rabid Right. They celebrate the excesses of capitalism. They support the greed. They laugh at the pain of their own countrymen and tell them to "Get a job" where there are no jobs. Their's is a politics of pure meanness of spirit. Old people on social security? "**** them. Let them die." Gays in the military? "Boooooo! **** them!" Medicare? "**** them! Let 'em die." Executions? "We want more!" Immigrants? "**** them! Let 'em die!" Waterboarding? "Yay! We want more!" Girls getting maced in the face? "Yay! Give me more!" Americans losing their homes? "**** them! They deserve it." Americans losing their jobs? "**** them! That's business."

The Right continues to wallow in the mud of an immoral and miserly spirit, but that's okay. They are about to be washed away.

rep!the rightards are going to lose and lose big next year.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You guys remind me of those idiot tourists who, when the waters receded on that beach in Thailand, ran out there to gather up all the fish that had been left behind. Meanwhile, the fisherman were running up the hills for high ground because they knew what was coming.

You make fun of the lack of cohesion of these protests when all they are is the initial, inchoate expression of national discontent. The people are just beginning to wake up and rub their eyes. The American people are beginning to realize that their quality of life is being sold down the river by greedy bastards who have no allegiance to this country; Whose only allegiance is to their own profit. They are beginning to realize that they are being sold out and don't get to vote on the process, because their vote no longer counts. This isn't capitalism. It's feudalism.

Meanwhile, look at the policy statements of the rabid Right. They celebrate the excesses of capitalism. They support the greed. They laugh at the pain of their own countrymen and tell them to "Get a job" where there are no jobs. Their's is a politics of pure meanness of spirit. Old people on social security? "**** them. Let them die." Gays in the military? "Boooooo! **** them!" Medicare? "**** them! Let 'em die." Executions? "We want more!" Immigrants? "**** them! Let 'em die!" Waterboarding? "Yay! We want more!" Girls getting maced in the face? "Yay! Give me more!" Americans losing their homes? "**** them! They deserve it." Americans losing their jobs? "**** them! That's business."

The Right continues to wallow in the mud of an immoral and miserly spirit, but that's okay. They are about to be washed away.

Lefties talking about immorality is hilarious.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You guys remind me of those idiot tourists who, when the waters receded on that beach in Thailand, ran out there to gather up all the fish that had been left behind. Meanwhile, the fisherman were running up the hills for high ground because they knew what was coming.

You make fun of the lack of cohesion of these protests when all they are is the initial, inchoate expression of national discontent. The people are just beginning to wake up and rub their eyes. The American people are beginning to realize that their quality of life is being sold down the river by greedy bastards who have no allegiance to this country; Whose only allegiance is to their own profit. They are beginning to realize that they are being sold out and don't get to vote on the process, because their vote no longer counts. This isn't capitalism. It's feudalism.

Meanwhile, look at the policy statements of the rabid Right. They celebrate the excesses of capitalism. They support the greed. They laugh at the pain of their own countrymen and tell them to "Get a job" where there are no jobs. Their's is a politics of pure meanness of spirit. Old people on social security? "**** them. Let them die." Gays in the military? "Boooooo! **** them!" Medicare? "**** them! Let 'em die." Executions? "We want more!" Immigrants? "**** them! Let 'em die!" Waterboarding? "Yay! We want more!" Girls getting maced in the face? "Yay! Give me more!" Americans losing their homes? "**** them! They deserve it." Americans losing their jobs? "**** them! That's business."

The Right continues to wallow in the mud of an immoral and miserly spirit, but that's okay. They are about to be washed away.

The right-wing rubes you described above remind me of kids from dysfunctional families who constantly enable and make excuses for their abusive, alcoholic father.

Their efforts to identify with him and to stay on his good side give them a false sense of safety, security, and power, it would seem.

[epicSocialism4tw]

The right-wing rubes you described above remind me of kids from dysfunctional families who constantly enable and make excuses for their abusive, alcoholic father.

Their efforts to identify with him and to stay on his good side give them a false sense of safety, security, and power, it would seem.

Tell us d troof, Troofy!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Lefties talking about immorality is hilarious.

This from a water carrier for a party that gave us a non-stop conga line of crooks, confidence men, and sexual perverts the last time it controlled the WH and both chambers?

That's hilarious! :D

[epicSocialism4tw]

This from a water carrier for a party that gave us a non-stop conga line of crooks, confidence men, and sexual perverts the last time it controlled the WH and both chambers?

That's hilarious!

Speek d troof, bruther Troofy!

[Rohirrim]

Speek d troof, bruther Troofy!

Drama llama always defaults to full-blown-goof when he gets confronted by realities he can't process.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Tell us d troof, Troofy!

You dispute nothing I said and instead offer a response that smacks of the maturity level of a third-grade child?

Color me shocked!

[DBruleU]

You dispute nothing I said and instead offer a response that smacks of the maturity level of a third-grade child?

Color me shocked!

Yeah, you never do that bro! You're above that for sure.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You dispute nothing I said and instead offer a response that smacks of the maturity level of a third-grade child?

Color me shocked!

I think that OWS is a Troofer convention...why are you not there?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yeah, you never do that bro! You're above that for sure.

Speaking of third-grade children, you never fail with the "I am rubber - you are glue" comeback - whether it's applicable or not, do you?

You + epicFail + UltimateDoDo = The Three Stooges.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I think that OWS is a Troofer convention...

I don't doubt that's what you think.

After all, you live in a world curiously untainted by reality.

[DBruleU]

Speaking of third-grade children, you never fail with the "I am rubber - you are glue" comeback - whether it's applicable or not, do you?

You + epicFail + UltimateDoDo = The Three Stooges.

I'm hurt.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I don't doubt that's what you think.

After all, you live in a world curiously untainted by reality.

There are certianly a bunch of Troofers there.

[DomCasual]

Okay, Roh, I am going to keep asking you to hold my hand through this until I understand it. I WANT to understand it. I am saying that with all sincerity.

What specifically do these people want?

and

What leverage do they think they have to get it?

You used the analogy of the tourists running out to get the fish. I would say, from my perspective, that this is an apt analogy, but only as it's used against these guys camping in parks.

I don't know what your perception is of me. I will tell you how I would like to be perceived - how I model myself. I realize I am right-of-center on the political spectrum. But I am anything but close-minded. I am so tired of the extremes on both sides of the spectrum - SO tired! I am as tired of the Llamas as am of LABFs.

So, as an open-minded person, I still ask, "WHAT DO THESE PEOPLE WANT?" Every one of them seems to be a little different. These dumbasses, like those shown in this thread, are too stupid to make me feel even a little sympathy for them. You think you should have your tuition paid? You are saying you hate stuff? What? Talk about tourists, running around in a tsunami! One is looking for fish. Another is looking for coral. That guy is hoping to find buried treasure. The one over there just likes the feeling of the wet sand between her toes.

It's seriously the biggest half-assed effort I can ever remember seeing.

You have a protest with the following characteristics:

1) No clear message (I'm semi-intelligent, and I WANT to understand - yet, I don't get it.)

2) No clear strategy

3) No central voice.

4) No clear leverage

5) No sustainability, that I can see (eventually, sleeping in a park is going to make for cold and hungry protestors).

Other than that, this all seems like a great idea.

[Tombstone RJ]

The premis behind OWS is pretty sound IMHO. Unfortunately a lot of the people doing the occupying come off as spoiled morons who only want to waste other people's time while they dance in the park and complain about all the stuff they don't have.

whatever, let them protest. The liberal left media is painting this out like it's important and meaningful and that these protest are productive. The conservative right media is actually investigating the people behind the protest and uncovering some real turds.

All that being said, let them protest. It don't bother me none...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I am as tired of the Llamas as am of LABFs.



You belong to the same ideological camp as Llama - you're simply less strident and slightly more articulate in expressing yourself.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The premis behind OWS is pretty sound IMHO. Unfortunately a lot of the people doing the occupying come off as spoiled morons who only want to waste other people's time while they dance in the park and complain about all the stuff they don't have.


Because the corporate media intentionally focuses on those people exclusively.

You're not going to see the MSM giving airtime to anyone who looks or sounds like an average American.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Okay, Roh, I am going to keep asking you to hold my hand through this until I understand it. I WANT to understand it. I am saying that with all sincerity.

What specifically do these people want?

and

What leverage do they think they have to get it?

You used the analogy of the tourists running out to get the fish. I would say, from my perspective, that this is an apt analogy, but only as it's used against these guys camping in parks.

I don't know what your perception is of me. I will tell you how I would like to be perceived - how I model myself. I realize I am right-of-center on the political spectrum. But I am anything but close-minded. I am so tired of the extremes on both sides of the spectrum - SO tired! I am as tired of the Llamas as am of LABFs.

So, as an open-minded person, I still ask, "WHAT DO THESE PEOPLE WANT?" Every one of them seems to be a little different. These dumbasses, like those shown in this thread, are too stupid to make me feel even a little sympathy for them. You think you should have your tuition paid? You are saying you hate stuff? What? Talk about tourists, running around in a tsunami! One is looking for fish. Another is looking for coral. That guy is hoping to find buried treasure. The one over there just likes the feeling of the wet sand between her toes.

It's seriously the biggest half-assed effort I can ever remember seeing.

You have a protest with the following characteristics:

1) No clear message (I'm semi-intelligent, and I WANT to understand - yet, I don't get it.)

2) No clear strategy

3) No central voice.

4) No clear leverage

5) No sustainability, that I can see (eventually, sleeping in a park is going to make for cold and hungry protestors).

Other than that, this all seems like a great idea.

You're only "open minded" because you have yet to figure out what this is about.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[epicSocialism4tw]

The premis behind OWS is pretty sound IMHO. Unfortunately a lot of the people doing the occupying come off as spoiled morons who only want to waste other people's time while they dance in the park and complain about all the stuff they don't have.

whatever, let them protest. The liberal left media is painting this out like it's important and meaningful and that these protest are productive. The conservative right media is actually investigating the people behind the protest and uncovering some real turds.

All that being said, let them protest. It don't bother me none...

This is a prop.

Despite the fact that they were far more ubiquitous and numerous for a much longer period of time and had a much more focused and intelligent message, did any Tea Party protest ever get this kind of attention?

The only attention it got in the media was derision. People peacefully saying "we're overtaxed" and "its time to fix gov't spending" deserve derision while a bunch of paid protesters deserve to be explored?

Why would they follow those storylines in those ways?

90% of mainstream media members are either registered democrats and/or donors. Ninety percent. That's literally almost everyone.

They are envious about the Tea Party, and they are trying to convince people who don't understand whats going on (like the poster above) that this rag-tag collection of communists, anarchists, socialists, troofers, college students looking to hang out and party, holdover radicals from the 1960's, etc, are a "cooler Tea Party". Its pathetic.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You're only "open minded" because you have yet to figure out what this is about.

Pot, meet kettle.

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[DomCasual]

You belong to the same ideological camp as Llama - you're simply less strident and slightly more articulate in expressing yourself.

Wow. Good one. No wonder people here are so eager to listen to you, with intriguing stuff like this.

[peacepipe]

This is a prop.

Despite the fact that they were far more ubiquitous and numerous for a much longer period of time and had a much more focused and intelligent message, did any Tea Party protest ever get this kind of attention?

The only attention it got in the media was derision. People peacefully saying "we're overtaxed" and "its time to fix gov't spending" deserve derision while a bunch of paid protesters deserve to be explored?

Why would they follow those storylines in those ways?

90% of mainstream media members are either registered democrats and/or donors. Ninety percent. That's literally almost everyone.

They are envious about the Tea Party, and they are trying to convince people who don't understand whats going on (like the poster above) that this rag-tag collection of communists, anarchists, socialists, troofers, college students looking to hang out and party, holdover radicals from the 1960's, etc, are a "cooler Tea Party". Its pathetic.LOL at the hypocracy of this post. fox,cnn,cbs,abc,nbc all acted as if every teabagger protest was a national holiday that needed to be recognized.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Wow. Good one. No wonder people here are so eager to listen to you, with intriguing stuff like this.

Telling that you should respond with a deflection rather than a denial.

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[Tombstone RJ]

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This is where the two sides should meet up and agree with each other. Instead of pointing fingers at each other the "people" should be marching in DC.

[epicSocialism4tw]

This is where the two sides should meet up and agree with each other. Instead of pointing fingers at each other the "people" should be marching in DC.

This isn't true, because what the people at OWS have been repeatedly claiming (and it is falling on deaf ears), is that they want to overthrow capitalism.

The Tea Party wants a fundamental return to constitutional government. A significant number of the few hundred people protesting in Manhattan want a fundamental change of government...away from constitutional government, and away from captialism. The reason why they aren't saying what they want is because they want (depending on which group you talk to) anarchy, socialism, or communism.

If they say that out loud, all of their attempts to co-opt Tea Party people get flushed down the drain.

I mean look at the groups that are funding things associated with this and who are attending...that's how you find out what its about. Who's there? Socialists, communists, anarchists, and George Soros' groups like Adbusters, MoveOn.org, etc.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This is where the two sides should meet up and agree with each other. Instead of pointing fingers at each other the "people" should be marching in DC.

When both sides realize that government AND corporate America/Wall St. have sold them out, then it will happen.

Too few Americans understand the symbiotic relationship between corporate interests and government power that has grown exponentially over the past 30 years - they've been too busy watching "Survivor" and "American Idol" to notice.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This isn't true, because what the people at OWS have been repeatedly claiming (and it is falling on deaf ears), is that they want to overthrow capitalism.


*sigh*

Looks like you're going to keep setting up this straw man for your plutocrat masters 'til the bitter end.

[DomCasual]

Telling that you should respond with a deflection rather than a denial.

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The problem is that I don't respect you. It has nothing to do with your ideologies. It has everything to do with the fact that you are as far from being intellectually honest as anyone can be.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The problem is that I don't respect you. It has nothing to do with your ideologies. It has everything to do with the fact that you are as far from being intellectually honest as anyone can be.

Oh, there's no doubt that it's all about ideology.

That's why your only recourse is to impugn my intellectual honesty without any factual basis for such a charge.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[epicSocialism4tw]

*sigh*

Looks like you're going to keep setting up this straw man for your plutocrat masters 'til the bitter end.

I have seen several interviews and signs where people call for an end to capitalism.

Can you provide us with some examples where OWS protesters are calling for capitalism?

[DomCasual]

Oh, there's no doubt that it's all about ideology.

That's why your only recourse is to impugn my intellectual honesty without any factual basis for such a charge.

No.

Take this thread, as an example. I asked honest questions of someone I like and respect. You answered with typical insults.

What's worse than you're intellectual dishonesty is your intellectual laziness. If your cute little cut-and-pastes don't fit into your discussion, you resort to insults.

[epicSocialism4tw]

No.

Take this thread, as an example. I asked honest questions of someone I like and respect. You answered with typical insults.

What's worse than you're intellectual dishonesty is your intellectual laziness. If your cute little cut-and-pastes don't fit into your discussion, you resort to insults.

Rohirrim is no different. He doesn't even waste time on the cut-and-pastes. He goes straight for the insults. Thats kind of the way that this forum is.

I'm not sure how you can respect someone who has openly called for Americans to kill other Americans for a liberal revolution, and has repeatedly advocated civil war. That's about the worst thing anyone has ever said in this forum.

LABF may be a propaganda machine, but he's not in here advocating that people start killing each other.

[Rohirrim]

Okay, Roh, I am going to keep asking you to hold my hand through this until I understand it. I WANT to understand it. I am saying that with all sincerity.

What specifically do these people want?

and

What leverage do they think they have to get it?

You used the analogy of the tourists running out to get the fish. I would say, from my perspective, that this is an apt analogy, but only as it's used against these guys camping in parks.

I don't know what your perception is of me. I will tell you how I would like to be perceived - how I model myself. I realize I am right-of-center on the political spectrum. But I am anything but close-minded. I am so tired of the extremes on both sides of the spectrum - SO tired! I am as tired of the Llamas as am of LABFs.

So, as an open-minded person, I still ask, "WHAT DO THESE PEOPLE WANT?" Every one of them seems to be a little different. These dumbasses, like those shown in this thread, are too stupid to make me feel even a little sympathy for them. You think you should have your tuition paid? You are saying you hate stuff? What? Talk about tourists, running around in a tsunami! One is looking for fish. Another is looking for coral. That guy is hoping to find buried treasure. The one over there just likes the feeling of the wet sand between her toes.

It's seriously the biggest half-assed effort I can ever remember seeing.

You have a protest with the following characteristics:

1) No clear message (I'm semi-intelligent, and I WANT to understand - yet, I don't get it.)

2) No clear strategy

3) No central voice.

4) No clear leverage

5) No sustainability, that I can see (eventually, sleeping in a park is going to make for cold and hungry protestors).

Other than that, this all seems like a great idea.

I think Andrew Young came up with the best definition so far for what is going on when he called it an "emotional outcry." I don't think it has any cohesion, yet. I doubt there are many people who can really enunciate what is digging at them. For one thing, the press in America has become dysfunctional. For another, even many economists admit they don't understand the complexity of some of the bull**** being pulled on Wall Street.

I think people just realize they are getting screwed and this is not the same America it once was. Go back to the populism of previous eras. They want a "Square Deal," as TR once called it. They know the game is rigged, and they know it's rigged against them. At least during the Great Depression you had bankers jumping out windows. They were not above the economic pain caused by their actions. They were ruined too. Now, they destroy the economy and they're raking in billions of tax payer money and giving each other bonuses without one single indictment to worry about. Hell, the SCOTUS just gave them and their multi-national buddies the right to buy elections outright.

Americans watch their jobs disappear, their paychecks go down and their bills go up while Wall Street hands out billions in bonuses and their representatives in Washington squeal about bull**** that has nothing to do with it, both parties desperately providing cover for the thieves.

Simply put, it's an expression of outrage.

Unless things start changing, this will lead to something else. At least that's what history shows us (ergo, my metaphor of a tsunami). I can't think of a society in history that allowed these kinds of wealth disparities and this much economic injustice to go on.

Right now, it's funny. Some are making fun of it. I don't expect the humorous part to go on forever.

[Rohirrim]

I'm reminded of this young man I saw interviewed during the Egypt uprising. He basically looked like a regular college student you would see anywhere, short hair, collared shirt. He was going to fight the army. The interviewer said to him, "You're not armed. You'll be killed." The guy basically answered that it didn't matter anymore. He got a college education and there were no jobs. He couldn't feed his family. He couldn't afford housing. The wealthy and connected were robbing the country and leaving no hope for the future, so what did it matter if he died?

If it gets to that point in America, it won't be pretty. People will go through all sorts of struggles as long as they have hope that their hard work will lead to rewards. If they believe that the system is rigged against them and that hard work is futile, then the glue of society begins to weaken and fail.

[peacepipe]

Rohirrim is no different. He doesn't even waste time on the cut-and-pastes. He goes straight for the insults. Thats kind of the way that this forum is. I'm not sure how you can respect someone who has openly called for Americans to kill other Americans for a liberal revolution, and has repeatedly advocated civil war. That's about the worst thing anyone has ever said in this forum.

LABF may be a propaganda machine, but he's not in here advocating that people start killing each other.

this comming from someone that has refered to other poster as terrorists,communists & socialists.

[Rohirrim]

Rohirrim is no different. He doesn't even waste time on the cut-and-pastes. He goes straight for the insults.

Only with you. :-*

[Rohirrim]

Oh, and the banks announced today that they've finally waded through all the backlog of paperwork they had to deal with so they're ready to start foreclosing mortgages again. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44885991/ns/business-real_estate/#.TpdAmBykG2k

I guess what slowed them down was that there were so many to deal with, they just couldn't get to them all.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Only with you. :-*

Right Ha!

[epicSocialism4tw]

I'm reminded of this young man I saw interviewed during the Egypt uprising. He basically looked like a regular college student you would see anywhere, short hair, collared shirt. He was going to fight the army. The interviewer said to him, "You're not armed. You'll be killed." The guy basically answered that it didn't matter anymore. He got a college education and there were no jobs. He couldn't feed his family. He couldn't afford housing. The wealthy and connected were robbing the country and leaving no hope for the future, so what did it matter if he died?

If it gets to that point in America, it won't be pretty. People will go through all sorts of struggles as long as they have hope that their hard work will lead to rewards. If they believe that the system is rigged against them and that hard work is futile, then the glue of society begins to weaken and fail.

Ridiculous.

You can't justify your repeated advocacy for civil war.

[Rohirrim]

Ridiculous.

You can't justify your repeated advocacy for civil war.

Advocacy? You really do have reading comprehension issues, don't you?

Besides. It wouldn't be a civil war. Civil wars are different. It would be more like a revolution.

[alkemical]

...hopefully more an evolution.

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

I'm reminded of this young man I saw interviewed during the Egypt uprising. He basically looked like a regular college student you would see anywhere, short hair, collared shirt. He was going to fight the army. The interviewer said to him, "You're not armed. You'll be killed." The guy basically answered that it didn't matter anymore. He got a college education and there were no jobs. He couldn't feed his family. He couldn't afford housing. The wealthy and connected were robbing the country and leaving no hope for the future, so what did it matter if he died?

If it gets to that point in America, it won't be pretty. People will go through all sorts of struggles as long as they have hope that their hard work will lead to rewards. If they believe that the system is rigged against them and that hard work is futile, then the glue of society begins to weaken and fail.

That's not bravery. That's called, "thinning the herd".

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I have seen several interviews and signs where people call for an end to capitalism.


Sure, but for you to suggest that these people speak for everyone is disingenuous.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

No.

Take this thread, as an example. I asked honest questions of someone I like and respect. You answered with typical insults.

Not quite, Mr. Innocent Victim.

Your "honest questions" post included an insult directed at me.

Apparently, you can dish the insults out, but you can't take them.

And, BTW, can the observation that you occupy the same ideological camp as Llama really be construed as an insult?

What's worse than you're(sic) intellectual dishonesty is your intellectual laziness.

Do you have an actual example of what you're talking about here, or are you just throwing crap against the wall in the hope that something will stick?


If your cute little cut-and-pastes don't fit into your discussion, you resort to insults.

???

That's an incoherent sentence right there. :crazy:

[Bronx33]

The problem is that I don't respect you. It has nothing to do with your ideologies. It has everything to do with the fact that you are as far from being intellectually honest as anyone can be.


:thumbsup: well said dom.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

:thumbsup: well said dom.

I'm pleased to know he doesn't respect me.

The minute people like him start respecting me I'll know I'm on the wrong path.

[Bronx33]

I doubt you're pleased in fact ill bet it bothers you that people dont believe your banterings/cartoon festivals.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I doubt you're pleased in fact ill bet it bothers you that people dont believe your banterings/cartoon festivals.

Yep, you got me - I lay awake at night fretting over how the members of some creepy religious cult in Utah see me.

:D

[DomCasual]

Yep, you got me - I lay awake at night fretting over how the members of some creepy religious cult in Utah see me.

:D

:) Right - clearly, it doesn't bother you.

If you had to try and peg what percentage of people here has any respect for you, what would you guess? Five percent? Is that high? I think that's probably high. I think I could probably count the posters on two hands - maybe one, if we're talking about real respect.

As pretentious as you are with garbage you produce here, I'll tell you the cold, hard truth. YOU are a metaphor for the problem in this country. YOU are Glenn Beck. YOU are Rush Limbaugh. YOU are Sean Hannity.

Just like them, you don't care about making progress. You care about fighting, and being right. You don't want to talk. You want to annihilate. You are the reason why nothing gets done. You are just as guilty as those imbeciles. You are the reason why politics has become such a turn-off for most Americans. You are the angry, uncompromising, vocal minority.

[DomCasual]

Good job on the cult thing, though. It's good you can find so much common ground with rabid, crazy, evangelical pastors. :)

[epicSocialism4tw]

Sure, but for you to suggest that these people speak for everyone is disingenuous.

Prove me wrong.

Post something that proves that there are people advocating capitalism there.

[Arkie]

I just noticed the name on the dumpster behind my bank today. There's a joke in there somewhere.

[chadta]

As pretentious as you are with garbage you produce here, I'll tell you the cold, hard truth. YOU are a metaphor for the problem in this country. YOU are Glenn Beck. YOU are Rush Limbaugh. YOU are Sean Hannity.

Just like them, you don't care about making progress. You care about fighting, and being right. You don't want to talk. You want to annihilate. You are the reason why nothing gets done. You are just as guilty as those imbeciles. You are the reason why politics has become such a turn-off for most Americans. You are the angry, uncompromising, vocal minority.

this right here could be the post of the year, but im pretty sure labf isnt the only one it applies too, cue the others in 3....2....1....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

:) Right - clearly, it doesn't bother you.

If you had to try and peg what percentage of people here has any respect for you, what would you guess? Five percent? Is that high? I think that's probably high. I think I could probably count the posters on two hands - maybe one, if we're talking about real respect.

As pretentious as you are with garbage you produce here, I'll tell you the cold, hard truth. YOU are a metaphor for the problem in this country. YOU are Glenn Beck. YOU are Rush Limbaugh. YOU are Sean Hannity.

Just like them, you don't care about making progress. You care about fighting, and being right. You don't want to talk. You want to annihilate. You are the reason why nothing gets done. You are just as guilty as those imbeciles. You are the reason why politics has become such a turn-off for most Americans. You are the angry, uncompromising, vocal minority.

A whole lot of projection going on here.

But that's your SOP, isn't it?

Always pretending to be blameless, innocent, and totally above the shortcomings you find in others.

I guess it's part and parcel of believing you belong to some sort of chosen group.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Prove me wrong.

Post something that proves that there are people advocating capitalism there.

Prove that everyone involved in the protests wants to do away with capitalism.

After all, that your original claim, wasn't it?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Union Political Advocacy Group Working Families Party Is Paying, Hiring, and Training Protesters:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/occupy-wall-street-is-creating-jobs-astroturf-jobs/

[alkemical]

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k82/amesj523/jump-1.jpg

[epicSocialism4tw]

Prove that everyone involved in the protests wants to do away with capitalism.

After all, that your original claim, wasn't it?

You insinuated that the ideologies of the protesters were not threatening, so I asked you to provide an example of protesters who support the current functional ideology of our country: capitalism.

Anything that does not advocate capitalism is by definition advocating revolutionary change. My claim is that the group is made up primarily of people who associate themselves with socialism, anarchism, and communism. I have yet to see a single capitalist group associated with the protests, but there are several socialist, anarchist, and communist groups.

If there are any such groups, by all means...show them to us.

[Rohirrim]

Huh? I thought our "current functional ideology" was liberty? :ouwknow:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Huh? I thought our "current functional ideology" was liberty?

We are a capitalist democratic republic.

If those clowns at the protest want to have the discussion, we need to have it. Not to hide it behind class warfare.

[alkemical]

We are a capitalist democratic republic.

If those clowns at the protest want to have the discussion, we need to have it. Not to hide it behind class warfare.


I agree, Wall Street needs to stop hiding. They don't support true free markets, only private closed markets. They support socialism, and have been buying their own laws.

Stop the Wall Street cowards!

[DomCasual]

I think Andrew Young came up with the best definition so far for what is going on when he called it an "emotional outcry." I don't think it has any cohesion, yet. I doubt there are many people who can really enunciate what is digging at them. For one thing, the press in America has become dysfunctional. For another, even many economists admit they don't understand the complexity of some of the bull**** being pulled on Wall Street.

I think people just realize they are getting screwed and this is not the same America it once was. Go back to the populism of previous eras. They want a "Square Deal," as TR once called it. They know the game is rigged, and they know it's rigged against them. At least during the Great Depression you had bankers jumping out windows. They were not above the economic pain caused by their actions. They were ruined too. Now, they destroy the economy and they're raking in billions of tax payer money and giving each other bonuses without one single indictment to worry about. Hell, the SCOTUS just gave them and their multi-national buddies the right to buy elections outright.

Americans watch their jobs disappear, their paychecks go down and their bills go up while Wall Street hands out billions in bonuses and their representatives in Washington squeal about bull**** that has nothing to do with it, both parties desperately providing cover for the thieves.

Simply put, it's an expression of outrage.

Unless things start changing, this will lead to something else. At least that's what history shows us (ergo, my metaphor of a tsunami). I can't think of a society in history that allowed these kinds of wealth disparities and this much economic injustice to go on.

Right now, it's funny. Some are making fun of it. I don't expect the humorous part to go on forever.

Thanks for posting this.

Here's my problem. There doesn't seem to be any give-take in what their "outrage." They seem to be saying, simply, "We want more!"

Maybe they're counting on public outcry as they hold their positions longer? I don't see why that would happen; but okay, at least it's a strategy. Maybe they're hoping that it turns violent? That might work, under the right circumstances. I think that could garner sympathy, at least - assuming they don't instigate it.

Otherwise, they're on the other side of the equation from people who are always negotiating: businesspeople and politicians. These are people that completely understand the "trade something for something" concept. It's what they do, all day, every day.

So, what are these protestors offering that would, in any way, bring about a change? What is the catalyst?

I'm not even saying they're wrong, necessarily. I just don't see how they're ever going to get anything, other than cold and hungry.

[DomCasual]

A whole lot of projection going on here.

But that's your SOP, isn't it?

Always pretending to be blameless, innocent, and totally above the shortcomings you find in others.

I guess it's part and parcel of believing you belong to some sort of chosen group.

Really? Is the tired, Mormon thing all you have? Don't you realize that I get that all the time, and I just don't care about it? It makes me a little sad for you. It's so low brow. You've now aligned yourself with the likes of karenin (banned), sixtimeseight (banned, as far as I know), and these guys (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/) (go ahead and click the link - you might get a kick out of it - it's people who almost make the Fred Phelps gang look moderate).

While, as I mentioned, I don't respect you, I at least thought you were a little intelligent. Maybe not? Backed into a corner, you resort to the same tactics as the group (see link above) whose top headline on their webpage is "Halloween Costumes? Or Evolutionist Propaganda?"

Again, I'll go back to my point about you. You are a debater - not a great debater, mind you - but a debater, nonetheless. You care about the race, rather than the finish line. You epitomize that by resorting to the Mormon thing, which has nothing to do with anything. It's why you are intellectually bankrupt - you are arguing a bunch of things about which you don't really care.

You are like the spin people that go on after a debate. Their job is to spin - not to actually have an opinion about what they are spinning.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Really? Is the tired, Mormon thing all you have?


You say that like it's a minor point when, in fact, it puts you on a par with Scientology and Jim Jones.

Don't you realize that I get that all the time, and I just don't care about it? It makes me a little sad for you. It's so low brow.

You should feel sad for yourself - you're the one who has to live in Utah.

:D



You've now aligned yourself with the likes of karenin (banned), sixtimeseight (banned, as far as I know), and these guys (http://www.landoverbaptist.org/) (go ahead and click the link - you might get a kick out of it - it's people who almost make the Fred Phelps gang look moderate).

::)

Really?

Next, you'll claim I've "aligned myself" with Ted Bundy since we both liked chocolate ice cream.

While, as I mentioned, I don't respect you...

I should hope not.

I would take it as an indicator that I was on the wrong track.

I at least thought you were a little intelligent. Maybe not?

This from a guy who just admitted he didn't understand what the OWS people were protesting?

:laugh:


Backed into a corner, you resort to the same tactics as the group (see link above) whose top headline on their webpage is "Halloween Costumes? Or Evolutionist Propaganda?"

"Backed into a corner?" Ha!

You really think that's what you did with your baseless accusations and incoherent rants?

Again, I'll go back to my point about you. You are a debater - not a great debater, mind you - but a debater, nonetheless. You care about the race, rather than the finish line. You epitomize that by resorting to the Mormon thing, which has nothing to do with anything. It's why you are intellectually bankrupt - you are arguing a bunch of things about which you don't really care.

You are like the spin people that go on after a debate. Their job is to spin - not to actually have an opinion about what they are spinning.

More incoherent ranting.

You're a master of muddying the waters so that they may appear deep.

[Rohirrim]

Thanks for posting this.

Here's my problem. There doesn't seem to be any give-take in what their "outrage." They seem to be saying, simply, "We want more!"

Maybe they're counting on public outcry as they hold their positions longer? I don't see why that would happen; but okay, at least it's a strategy. Maybe they're hoping that it turns violent? That might work, under the right circumstances. I think that could garner sympathy, at least - assuming they don't instigate it.

Otherwise, they're on the other side of the equation from people who are always negotiating: businesspeople and politicians. These are people that completely understand the "trade something for something" concept. It's what they do, all day, every day.

So, what are these protestors offering that would, in any way, bring about a change? What is the catalyst?

I'm not even saying they're wrong, necessarily. I just don't see how they're ever going to get anything, other than cold and hungry.

It's like that old analogy of turning a super tanker. You can make a change at the helm and not see anything happen to the course for miles. When Walter Cronkite went on the air and gave a commentary calling the Vietnam War a useless stalemate, LBJ turned to his advisors and said, “If I’ve lost Cronkite, I’ve lost Middle America.” Several weeks later, Johnson announced he would not seek reelection. Protests had been going on for years before that point came. IMO, we're just seeing the first movement of the helm.

We have basically had thirty years of Reaganism. It has been a massive failure. It was designed to dismantle the governmental philosophies and economics of TR and FDR (which were great successes). We know now that when our tax and regulatory policies allow wealth to spread across a greater spectrum, we are all better off. When those policies are changed (as under Reagan, and since) to funnel the wealth to the top, we end up where we are. Also, we have allowed our trade policies to be rewritten in such a way that we have become consumers instead of producers. We have allowed our job making machines to be sold out from under us based on a failed economic concept. That also has to be turned around.

These protests are the first noise of a major discontent. The government and business, and those on the Right (especially the rabid Right) are going to continue to try and sell the "Stay the Course" mantra. Hell, the rabid Right (Cantor, McConnell, Ryan, Cain, et al) want us to double down on Reaganism. More tax cuts for the rich. Less regulation on corporations. More offshoring of jobs and wealth for the benefit of the few against the interests of the many. Get rid of the safety net for Americans. The gutless Democrats will probably just swing back and forth as the wind blows, as they have for years. The unrest will continue until we have a "Cronkite Moment" and some housewife in Iowa looks up from her kitchen sink and says, "I'm fed up with this crap. I want my old America back." And by that, she will mean the America her mother grew up in, not some mythological utopia that never existed.

IMO, we are witnessing our own little "American Spring." Good news. :thumbsup:

(The best thing that could happen to this Republic would be to lose the political parties, IMO.)

[alkemical]

It's like that old analogy of turning a super tanker. You can make a change at the helm and not see anything happen to the course for miles. When Walter Cronkite went on the air and gave a commentary calling the Vietnam War a useless stalemate, LBJ turned to his advisors and said, “If I’ve lost Cronkite, I’ve lost Middle America.” Several weeks later, Johnson announced he would not seek reelection. Protests had been going on for years before that point came. IMO, we're just seeing the first movement of the helm.

We have basically had thirty years of Reaganism. It has been a massive failure. It was designed to dismantle the governmental philosophies and economics of TR and FDR (which were great successes). We know now that when our tax and regulatory policies allow wealth to spread across a greater spectrum, we are all better off. When those policies are changed (as under Reagan, and since) to funnel the wealth to the top, we end up where we are. Also, we have allowed our trade policies to be rewritten in such a way that we have become consumers instead of producers. We have allowed our job making machines to be sold out from under us based on a failed economic concept. That also has to be turned around.

These protests are the first noise of a major discontent. The government and business, and those on the Right (especially the rabid Right) are going to continue to try and sell the "Stay the Course" mantra. Hell, the rabid Right (Cantor, McConnell, Ryan, Cain, et al) want us to double down on Reaganism. More tax cuts for the rich. Less regulation on corporations. More offshoring of jobs and wealth for the benefit of the few against the interests of the many. Get rid of the safety net for Americans. The gutless Democrats will probably just swing back and forth as the wind blows, as they have for years. The unrest will continue until we have a "Cronkite Moment" and some housewife in Iowa looks up from her kitchen sink and says, "I'm fed up with this crap. I want my old America back." And by that, she will mean the America her mother grew up in, not some mythological utopia that never existed.

IMO, we are witnessing our own little "American Spring." Good news. :thumbsup:

(The best thing that could happen to this Republic would be to lose the political parties, IMO.)



"American Spring"? No, more like America Falls....

[Fedaykin]

I don't particularly agree with the tactics or all the views of these protestors, but unlike the teabaggers at least they have correctly identified the problem.

The problem is not tax rates (they are at historic lows) and the problem isn't government in and of itself.

The problem is we have floundered our way into a plutocracy caused by following the terrible, counter productive policies of "trickle down" economics. When you setup policies that funnel wealth to a small minority you undermine the very foundation of a democratic form of government. When it's no longer your vote that counts, but the amount of "votes" that can be bought you cease having a functional democracy.

Capitalism is the least ****ty economic system, but Laissez-faire Capitalism is amongst the worst economic systems.

[alkemical]

I don't particularly agree with the tactics or all the views of these protestors, but unlike the teabaggers at least they have correctly identified the problem.

The problem is not tax rates (they are at historic lows) and the problem isn't government in and of itself.

The problem is we have floundered our way into a plutocracy caused by following the terrible, counter productive policies of "trickle down" economics. When you setup policies that funnel wealth to a small minority you undermine the very foundation of a democratic form of government. When it's no longer your vote that counts, but the amount of "votes" that can be bought you cease having a functional democracy.

Capitalism is the least ****ty economic system, but Laissez-faire Capitalism is amongst the worst economic systems.


Understood. I'm not going to pretend to be some economics major and can tell you exactly what/where the problems reside. I can tell you that something is wrong, and the rules seem to be very much rigged against a segment of society.

From my perspective, it is the extreme ends of our society that gets most* of the benefit, with little buy-in.

I looked at the Citi documents that were released, blah!

[Fedaykin]

Understood. I'm not going to pretend to be some economics major and can tell you exactly what/where the problems reside. I can tell you that something is wrong, and the rules seem to be very much rigged against a segment of society.

From my perspective, it is the extreme ends of our society that gets most* of the benefit, with little buy-in.

I looked at the Citi documents that were released, blah!

I agree, the bulk of the personal financial burden on our society is shouldered by a rapidly diminishing middle class. They are the segment of society that pays the most taxes: income taxes, property taxes, payroll taxes, sales taxes that amount to a significant portion of their income, etc.

The poor and working classes get (necessary) breaks (but still almost every single person with an income pays taxes!), and the upper class have been able to buy their way into what amounts to a free ride (effectively no payroll or sales taxes and ultra low capital gains taxes).

[alkemical]

I agree, the bulk of the personal financial burden on our society is shouldered by a rapidly diminishing middle class. They are the segment of society that pays the most taxes: income taxes, property taxes, payroll taxes, sales taxes that amount to a significant portion of their income, etc.

The poor and working classes get (necessary) breaks (but still almost every single person with an income pays taxes!), and the upper class have been able to buy their way into what amounts to a free ride (effectively no payroll or sales taxes and ultra low capital gains taxes).

I agree. LOL, i wish I could add more/continue - but I don't know what else to say! :)

[peacepipe]

http://news.yahoo.com/wall-street-sit-goes-global-saturday-105459242.html

LONDON (Reuters) - For an October revolution, dress warm. That's the word going out - politely - on the Web to rally street protests on Saturday around the globe from New Zealand to Alaska via London, Frankfurt, Washington and, of course, New York, where the past month's Occupy Wall Street movement has inspired a worldwide yell of anger at banks and financiers.

How many will show up, let alone stay to camp out to disrupt city centers for days, or months, to come, is anyone's guess. The hundreds at Manhattan's Zuccotti Park were calling for back-up on Friday, fearing imminent eviction. Rome expects tens of thousands at a national protest of more traditional stamp

[cutthemdown]

LOL these people have no idea what they are saying. They just want something for free. Bunch of ****ing losers and the govt should spray the crowds with cold water and let them freeze.

[cutthemdown]

It's an expression of frustration being taken out on the wrong things. It's not our system that doesn't work and rich people are not too blame. Obama is too blame for spending 1 trillion dollars on a stimulus that didn't work, wasting his first 2 yrs on healthcare laws that are now being repealed and then the biggie, all the wars we have fought over last decade.

End the wars like you said you would, wind this **** down and start saving money. It's that simple.

[peacepipe]

It's an expression of frustration being taken out on the wrong things. It's not our system that doesn't work and rich people are not too blame. Obama is too blame for spending 1 trillion dollars on a stimulus that didn't work, wasting his first 2 yrs on healthcare laws that are now being repealed and then the biggie, all the wars we have fought over last decade.

End the wars like you said you would, wind this **** down and start saving money. It's that simple.

LOL Just when I thought you couldn't get more pathetic. sure thre's a sheep herder out there looking for you.

[Fedaykin]

It's an expression of frustration being taken out on the wrong things. It's not our system that doesn't work and rich people are not too blame. Obama is too blame for spending 1 trillion dollars on a stimulus that didn't work, wasting his first 2 yrs on healthcare laws that are now being repealed and then the biggie, all the wars we have fought over last decade.

End the wars like you said you would, wind this **** down and start saving money. It's that simple.

The total stimulus was 800 billion, 300 billion of which was tax breaks -- meaning 500 billion in spending -- or about 166bn/yr as it was spent over three years.

Meanwhile, the real spending problems were created by the right. The wars and increases in security spending alone dwarf that relatively small sum. Add in the simultaneous tax cuts and that $500bn is effectively meaningless in terms of our current debt and deficit.

[DomCasual]

LOL these people have no idea what they are saying. They just want something for free. Bunch of ****ing losers and the govt should spray the crowds with cold water and let them freeze.

I think mother nature is about to do that, in most parts of the country.

[Rohirrim]

LOL these people have no idea what they are saying. They just want something for free. Bunch of ****ing losers and the govt should spray the crowds with cold water and let them freeze.

Wouldn't it be better to kill them all and turn them into protein cakes for school lunch programs?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Wouldn't it be better to kill them all and turn them into protein cakes for school lunch programs?

Sounds like an Obama social program. Ban twinkies from schools and feed them aborted fetuses and murdered Tea Partiers instead.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The total stimulus was 800 billion, 300 billion of which was tax breaks -- meaning 500 billion in spending -- or about 166bn/yr as it was spent over three years.

Meanwhile, the real spending problems were created by the right. The wars and increases in security spending alone dwarf that relatively small sum. Add in the simultaneous tax cuts and that $500bn is effectively meaningless in terms of our current debt and deficit.

Cutthemdown, in his zeal to "save the plutocrats," got the facts wrong again?

Color me shocked!

[Bronx33]

I just noticed the name on the dumpster behind my bank today. There's a joke in there somewhere.
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So your bank runs on propane?

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

It's like that old analogy of turning a super tanker. You can make a change at the helm and not see anything happen to the course for miles. When Walter Cronkite went on the air and gave a commentary calling the Vietnam War a useless stalemate, LBJ turned to his advisors and said, “If I’ve lost Cronkite, I’ve lost Middle America.” Several weeks later, Johnson announced he would not seek reelection. Protests had been going on for years before that point came. IMO, we're just seeing the first movement of the helm.

We have basically had thirty years of Reaganism. It has been a massive failure. It was designed to dismantle the governmental philosophies and economics of TR and FDR (which were great successes). We know now that when our tax and regulatory policies allow wealth to spread across a greater spectrum, we are all better off. When those policies are changed (as under Reagan, and since) to funnel the wealth to the top, we end up where we are. Also, we have allowed our trade policies to be rewritten in such a way that we have become consumers instead of producers. We have allowed our job making machines to be sold out from under us based on a failed economic concept. That also has to be turned around.

These protests are the first noise of a major discontent. The government and business, and those on the Right (especially the rabid Right) are going to continue to try and sell the "Stay the Course" mantra. Hell, the rabid Right (Cantor, McConnell, Ryan, Cain, et al) want us to double down on Reaganism. More tax cuts for the rich. Less regulation on corporations. More offshoring of jobs and wealth for the benefit of the few against the interests of the many. Get rid of the safety net for Americans. The gutless Democrats will probably just swing back and forth as the wind blows, as they have for years. The unrest will continue until we have a "Cronkite Moment" and some housewife in Iowa looks up from her kitchen sink and says, "I'm fed up with this crap. I want my old America back." And by that, she will mean the America her mother grew up in, not some mythological utopia that never existed.

IMO, we are witnessing our own little "American Spring." Good news. :thumbsup:

(The best thing that could happen to this Republic would be to lose the political parties, IMO.)

W*GS graph says hi :welcome:

[Arkie]

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So your bank runs on propane?


Yeah, for heat

[BroncoJoe]

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

^

Ha ha ha! :laugh:

So the argument here is "if some people make bad fiscal decisions, then Wall Street must be blameless in the larger scheme re: what happened to the U.S. economy?"

Wonder if that state university offers an elementary logic course? Ha!

[UltimateHoboW/Shotgun]

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REP!

[Requiem]

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Good for them. It doesn't take away from the point that the political and economic landscape in America represents two turds battling it out as they flush down the toilet.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Good for them. It doesn't take away from the point that the political and economic landscape in America represents two turds battling it out as they flush down the toilet.

Yep.

Trouble is, the teabaggers only seem to notice the considerably smaller of the two turds. ;)