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Rascal
10-11-2011, 07:09 PM
So with Warren, and now Vickerson, on IR, who is left at DT?

Tim
10-11-2011, 07:12 PM
bunkley, thomas, Mcbean, Unrein

cabronco
10-11-2011, 07:19 PM
I wonder if they'll play more 3-4 schemes now ?

*WARHORSE*
10-11-2011, 07:26 PM
So with Warren, and now Vickerson, on IR, who is left at DT?

Instead of a thread, you could have hit the 'roster' button at DB.com.......;)

TheReverend
10-12-2011, 04:50 AM
I wonder if they'll play more 3-4 schemes now ?

We'd need MORE DTs to do that...

schaaf
10-12-2011, 05:24 AM
We'd need MORE DTs to do that...

Hahaha ding ding! The only thing I see really happening is moving Ayers down a little bit more then he has been

Jetmeck
10-12-2011, 07:21 AM
Are there anyone out there worth picking up ? Surely FO is looking during the bye week ?

Lycan
10-12-2011, 08:11 AM
Is Pat Williams still unsigned and able to fit into a uniform?

epicSocialism4tw
10-12-2011, 12:21 PM
That's why Tim Tebow was on the Biggest Loser...he was scouting for DT's.

BroncoBuff
10-12-2011, 12:45 PM
Is Pat Williams still unsigned and able to fit into a uniform?

For that matter, what was the story with Tommie Harris ... just hit the wall?

bendog
10-12-2011, 01:02 PM
Big Money! (actually, I was disappointed they didn't pick him up. He was healthy and moderately productive in eating up a tackle last year, and was healthy all though NE's trainging camp.)

BroncoBuff
10-12-2011, 01:02 PM
This is what's wrong with modern professional sports: Proven playmakers like Williams and Harris are sitting home, out of the league. More than likely priced out of the market.

Meanwhile this steaming load keeps duping new teams out of paychecks.

8 years, 8 teams ... 0 career sacks :oyvey:



http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/7498/amongordon.jpg

bendog
10-12-2011, 01:04 PM
I don't think I'd use productive with Harris or Williams. Gimped and morbidly obese come to mind.

UberBroncoMan
10-12-2011, 01:04 PM
Gabe Watson is out there. People wanted to trade a second rounder to AZ for him not too long ago.

Tommie Harris is a Charger btw.

bronco militia
10-12-2011, 01:04 PM
That's why Tim Tebow was on the Biggest Loser...he was scouting for DT's.

POW POW!

Ha!

Popps
10-12-2011, 01:07 PM
For that matter, what was the story with Tommie Harris ... just hit the wall?

Colts signed him.

There are a few warm bodies out there. Seems like we should be looking at someone. Jarmon was a guy we cut in the preseason we could consider.

bendog
10-12-2011, 01:12 PM
And NE resigned Warren again after cutting him at a much reduced, but not announced, price.

strafen
10-12-2011, 01:27 PM
I hate to say it, but what we've got on the defensive front is pure garbage.
We need blue-chippers in there, and the only way to get those is drafting, or paying the money in the FA.
What we have right now is not good enough. It's a joke; far from being dominant and consistent week in, week out.

Detroit is a perfect example of a dominating DL. That has been one of the keys to their success this year. They have size, power-strength, and youth upfront. The scary part is the they've just started to gel as a unit.

We've get to play Detroit this year, we're going to have a reference point of how much work we need to do to be where we gotta be.

The idea that we're going to be dominant signing other teams' cast-offs is too far-fetched...

epicSocialism4tw
10-12-2011, 01:39 PM
I hate to say it, but what we've got on the defensive front is pure garbage.
We need blue-chippers in there, and the only way to get those is drafting, or paying the money in the FA.
What we have right now is not good enough. It's a joke; far from being dominant and consistent week in, week out.

Detroit is a perfect example of a dominating DL. That has been one of the keys to their success this year. They have size, power-strength, and youth upfront. The scary part is the they've just started to gel as a unit.

We've get to play Detroit this year, we're going to have a reference point of how much work we need to do to be where we gotta be.

The idea that we're going to be dominant signing other teams' cast-offs is too far-fetched...

Detroit's interior DL is incredible. I don't know much about their linebackers because I don't watch anything but the DL when I see them, but their three-headed-monster rotation at DT is just dominant at times.

Jetmeck
10-12-2011, 02:04 PM
That's why Tim Tebow was on the Biggest Loser...he was scouting for DT's.

Yep saw that...........hope he got some numbers...........lol

chrisp
10-12-2011, 02:58 PM
I hate to say it, but what we've got on the defensive front is pure garbage.
We need blue-chippers in there, and the only way to get those is drafting, or paying the money in the FA.
What we have right now is not good enough. It's a joke; far from being dominant and consistent week in, week out.

Detroit is a perfect example of a dominating DL. That has been one of the keys to their success this year. They have size, power-strength, and youth upfront. The scary part is the they've just started to gel as a unit.

We've get to play Detroit this year, we're going to have a reference point of how much work we need to do to be where we gotta be.

The idea that we're going to be dominant signing other teams' cast-offs is too far-fetched...

Its so easy to rag on how bad our DL is...yet how do you improve? Its not easy. It took years and years of suckage to get Detroit to where they are now. They were so bad for so long they were going to have to think about winding up the franchise if they didn't finally start winning somehow. Never has a franchise squandered so many top-ten draft choices over the years

Should we not have drafted Miller this year? Is that what you are saying? We know the DT position is not great, but we've known this for years and years. I can't believe people are dropping this line like its some new staggering revelation. All offseason it was DT,DT, DT and the offseason before that and the offseason before that.

In fact, the only vaguely positive side-effect of our suckage this year is that people finally stopped obsessing about just one position and realised that we have issues all over the place.

Having said all that. the great teams have strong d-lines. I would love to see a monster, dominating DT line up for us. And if we're picking in the top-ten again next year then I hope we give it some serious consideration. But building a winner these days is about being solid everywhere, and having great depth. Like it or not we do actually have to find decent vets in FA and dependable rotation guys in the latter rounds of the draft. That still has to be done. Drafting the next Suh is something we may or may not get to do, but even if we do, we need a solid rotation around him....

I actually think the d-line has improved this year. Only slightly, and it was one of the worst in the league last year, but it has improved nonetheless. I'm also cautiously optimistic about Marcus Thomas becuase I always felt he was one guy who was very much more suited to the 4-3. Whereas other areas of the team -like perhaps the secondary - are now looking quite a bit worse than I thought they were.....

fontaine
10-12-2011, 03:00 PM
I don't think our DL is garbage.

Ayers is playing well in his role and Dumervil just had the kind of game which got him a big contract where he routinely got pressures on Rivers.

Bunkley/Thomas are ok, not great but not scrubs either.

I was far less impressed by the tackling of our LBers. Mays continiously whiffed and DJ didn't have a great game. Dawkins injury left us exposed. I remember reading somewhere that the chargers RB got most of his yards after initial contact so defenders/LBs are getting to the ball carrier but just didn't bring him down.

Safety is a big concern right now in my opinion because without Dawkins they were exposed against the pass and run.

epicSocialism4tw
10-12-2011, 03:03 PM
I don't think our DL is garbage.

Ayers is playing well in his role and Dumervil just had the kind of game which got him a big contract where he routinely got pressures on Rivers.

Bunkley/Thomas are ok, not great but not scrubs either.

I was far less impressed by the tackling of our LBers. Mays continiously whiffed and DJ didn't have a great game. Dawkins injury left us exposed. I remember reading somewhere that the chargers RB got most of his yards after initial contact so defenders/LBs are getting to the ball carrier but just didn't bring him down.

Safety is a big concern right now in my opinion because without Dawkins they were exposed against the pass and run.

Yeah, there was even an article in the Denver Post today about tackling. Joe Mays is interviewed.

strafen
10-12-2011, 03:23 PM
Its so easy to rag on how bad our DL is...yet how do you improve? Its not easy. It took years and years of suckage to get Detroit to where they are now. They were so bad for so long they were going to have to think about winding up the franchise if they didn't finally start winning somehow. Never has a franchise squandered so many top-ten draft choices over the years

Should we not have drafted Miller this year? Is that what you are saying? We know the DT position is not great, but we've known this for years and years. I can't believe people are dropping this line like its some new staggering revelation. All offseason it was DT,DT, DT and the offseason before that and the offseason before that.
In fact, the only vaguely positive side-effect of our suckage this year is that people finally stopped obsessing about just one position and realised that we have issues all over the place.

Having said all that. the great teams have strong d-lines. I would love to see a monster, dominating DT line up for us. And if we're picking in the top-ten again next year then I hope we give it some serious consideration. But building a winner these days is about being solid everywhere, and having great depth. Like it or not we do actually have to find decent vets in FA and dependable rotation guys in the latter rounds of the draft. That still has to be done. Drafting the next Suh is something we may or may not get to do, but even if we do, we need a solid rotation around him....

I actually think the d-line has improved this year. Only slightly, and it was one of the worst in the league last year, but it has improved nonetheless. I'm also cautiously optimistic about Marcus Thomas becuase I always felt he was one guy who was very much more suited to the 4-3. Whereas other areas of the team -like perhaps the secondary - are now looking quite a bit worse than I thought they were.....That's what I'm saying -see bolded parts-
It's not a secret what what we've been missing, yet, we seem to have given the DL less priority. Even Fox thought he was going to address this issue on the FA market, rather than in the draft.

I'm happy with Miller. I think he's a player and when everything is said and done, and hopefully in place, we will see that pick ripping dividents for us.

We needed to anchor that defense by drafting somebody like Fairley or Dareus type; nothing against Miller, like I've said, we've set in the rushing-the-passer department, we lack people who can disrupt the line and create chaos.
We need people that can push the opposing O-line backwards.
Our LB's can't do that, they have a different role.
Our current personnel upfront can't do that either.

TotallyScrewed
10-12-2011, 07:33 PM
If Denver spent every pick in 2012 on defense it would not be a bad thing.

Agamemnon
10-12-2011, 08:47 PM
If Denver spent every pick in 2012 on defense it would not be a bad thing.

Except that our offense needs OL depth and a young RB that can carry the load. The offense isn't much better than the defense right now.