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Popps
10-09-2011, 05:50 PM
Willis McGahee.

DB-Freak
10-09-2011, 05:51 PM
We needed someone like him in his prime.

Downhill Power Runner like TD.

The Joker
10-09-2011, 05:51 PM
$1 in my auction draft, bitches!!

Props to him, he's the unquestioned starter.

Requiem
10-09-2011, 05:51 PM
Great signing. Obviously. Always was since Day 1.

Agamemnon
10-09-2011, 05:52 PM
I was genuinely surprised by him in this game. The guy still has some gas in the tank apparently.

UberBroncoMan
10-09-2011, 05:52 PM
I eat my crow on this one.

Not only has he performed exemplary, he does a Mile High Salute after every TD.

chawknz
10-09-2011, 05:56 PM
He is amazing.

Popps
10-09-2011, 05:57 PM
I actually love the combo of these two backs. We probably need to get Moreno a few more touches per game to keep WM healthy, but hopefully he can play at this level for at least another year. Great to see us using POWER again!

bronco militia
10-09-2011, 05:57 PM
I''ve been gay for Mcgahee since he punked da chiefs last year!

Gort
10-09-2011, 05:58 PM
Willis McGahee.

he's everything that Knowshon isn't. reminds be a bit of Mike Anderson and i liked the Mile High Salute he gave today too.

fontaine
10-09-2011, 06:01 PM
The guy is actually getting better.

Watching him today with some of the zone blocks, his quick feet and how he still keeps his pads straight while making the cut and powers forward when tackled.

Damn, what a great signing.

mhgaffney
10-09-2011, 06:01 PM
Credit also Moreno for that fabulous TD run. Face it - -we have not used Moreno properly.

His strength is the great hands and catching the ball out of the back field.

This gets him into the open field where he is very elusive and dangerous.

Call him the 2nd back - -so what - who cares? The point is to exploit his skills in the open field.

Popps
10-09-2011, 06:02 PM
he's everything that Knowshon isn't. reminds be a bit of Mike Anderson and i liked the Mile High Salute he gave today too.

Conversely I think Knowshon is some things he isn't. That's why I think it's a good pairing.

Moreno can still be a valuable asset to this team. I read a good article about people getting overly concerned with where guys were drafted, as opposed to the value they may still have to the organization. I'll try to dig it up.

Either way, both of them healthy spells a pretty nice combo, imo. Though, I do think WM will wear down at this rate. Got to find a way to give him some rest in games like this.

fontaine
10-09-2011, 06:09 PM
With a defender now having to spy on Tebow, I expect Moreno to do a better job now that our OL has improved significantly, but I wouldn't hold my breathe.

Hopefully, he gets healed up over the bye and starts playing better because he still dances too much to be effective. The guy has zero vision.

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 06:10 PM
The Offensive Line.

Vegas_Bronco
10-09-2011, 06:11 PM
I remember back when Shannahan drafted Mo Clarett...watching McGahee and dreaming we'd have his shoes in orange one day. BOOOOOM! Love this guy!

EmpireOrange
10-09-2011, 06:12 PM
Willis McGahee.

this!!!!

Simple Jake
10-09-2011, 06:13 PM
Was I the only one that got pumped when Moreno bulldozed that safety near the goalline.. he appeared to be playing with a chip on his shoulder

Hulamau
10-09-2011, 06:18 PM
With a defender now having to spy on Tebow, I expect Moreno to do a better job now that our OL has improved significantly, but I wouldn't hold my breathe.

Hopefully, he gets healed up over the bye and starts playing better because he still dances too much to be effective. The guy has zero vision.

That's the ticket.. Tebow makes the defense pause and after he's had two weeks to work as the unquestioned leader with the ONES I expect a crisper Tebow. Most of those passes weren't bad just need a little fine tuning with the WRs..

Tebow MUST learn to take snaps from center... I know its tricky but Hey .. it cant be THAT hard! Not for the money these guys make! Hopefully that gets tightened up with more work with Watson.

Anyway, there's no question Tebow sparked the entire team. Orton was like a three day old dead fish out there! Go Tebow .., lets see what you can do!

barryr
10-09-2011, 06:19 PM
It is nice they had an actual running game. I had forgotten what one looked like.

DenverBrit
10-09-2011, 06:19 PM
Willis McGahee.

A reminder of the 'good old days.'

Agamemnon
10-09-2011, 06:39 PM
Tebow MUST learn to take snaps from center... I know its tricky but Hey .. it cant be THAT hard! Not for the money these guys make! Hopefully that gets tightened up with more work with Watson.


First of all, it's Walton not Watson. And I tend to think the problem is mostly a lack of reps together. Walton is delivering the ball the way Orton is used to, and Tebow is expecting the ball the way Ramirez snaps it. At least there weren't any fumbles.

Popps
10-09-2011, 07:30 PM
Anyway, there's no question Tebow sparked the entire team. Orton was like a three day old dead fish out there! Go Tebow .., lets see what you can do!

Yea, it's a shame we have to wait two weeks to see him again. On the upside, the staff has time to work on some passing plays he can execute. Great spark, great leader but his throws were not pretty. We'll need to find a way to keep defense honest, because they're going to start bringing the heat on him and stacking the line. That leaves plenty of stuff open for most NFL QBs. Hopefully Timmy can capitalize and make D's pay if they try to take away too much of the run.

Atwater His Ass
10-09-2011, 07:32 PM
I still think he has a problem hitting the hole sometimes. But definately looks like a good signing and will allow us to use Moreno as the change of pace guy which maybe he can handle.

Play2win
10-09-2011, 07:34 PM
We needed someone like him in his prime.

Downhill Power Runner like TD.

Dude, a few of his runs today... I thought I was having flashbacks, and that was actually TD out there!!

Play2win
10-09-2011, 07:39 PM
That's the ticket.. Tebow makes the defense pause and after he's had two weeks to work as the unquestioned leader with the ONES I expect a crisper Tebow. Most of those passes weren't bad just need a little fine tuning with the WRs..

Tebow MUST learn to take snaps from center... I know its tricky but Hey .. it cant be THAT hard! Not for the money these guys make! Hopefully that gets tightened up with more work with Watson.

Anyway, there's no question Tebow sparked the entire team. Orton was like a three day old dead fish out there! Go Tebow .., lets see what you can do!

I think that 10yd run Tebow had for a first down early, really opened things up for us later-- especially in the run game.

DENVERDUI55
10-09-2011, 07:42 PM
Moreno is horrible. No vision or power Willis is a lot better and he is a little long in the tooth but running solid. It's not even debatable Willis is much better than glass joe moreno.

broncosteven
10-09-2011, 07:42 PM
I think McGahee has more 100 yard games this year than KM has had in his career.

It is nice to have an RB who can make positive yardage out of nothing, who can see the hole, make a cut, trust his blockers, not run up his blockers backs, punish tacklers, break away for big gains.

Great FA pickup.

KM is good at picking up blitzs and catching the ball in space but he still needs to learn not to out run his blockers on screens.

Atwater His Ass
10-09-2011, 07:46 PM
Moreno is horrible. No vision or power Willis is a lot better and he is a little long in the tooth but running solid. It's not even debatable Willis is much better than glass joe moreno.

Did you see Moreno's TD?

broncosteven
10-09-2011, 07:48 PM
Did you see Moreno's TD?

The dude needs to get off his exercycle for more than one play.

TheDave
10-09-2011, 07:55 PM
It's something to Keep in mind... The running game is made by both the Oline and the RB. I think over the years the pendulum has swung to the point that we think anyone can run behind a good offensive line. With that in mind, I do not think Knowshon was doing our line any favors. McGahee is doing a great job of letting the blocks develop and then picking his hole with decisiveness.

Our line is playing better and better, but McGahee is damn good running back and seams to compliment their play.

As for moreno... it's a shame we wasted #12 on a 3rd down RB, but he is what he is and he can still contribute in that role.

OrangeCrush2724
10-09-2011, 08:02 PM
Wanted him instead of Travis Henry a few years ago.

Popps
10-09-2011, 08:04 PM
As for moreno... it's a shame we wasted #12 on a 3rd down RB, but he is what he is and he can still contribute in that role.

Exactly. People stay hung up on draft position way too long. Once you draft him, he's yours... can't go back. Fact is, about half of 1st round picks (or more?) don't pan out to position. So, get what you can out of your picks.
He's got a role with us... and I think going forward you'll see him doing more than he did today.

It's a good combo. Like I said, keep them both healthy and we have a solid RB corps.

ward63
10-09-2011, 08:06 PM
Knowshon reminds me a little bit of Reggie Bush. Just not as quick and fast, but a better blocker

Hulamau
10-09-2011, 08:41 PM
Willis McGahee.

.. IS SOLID!!!

Drek
10-09-2011, 08:47 PM
Knowshon reminds me a little bit of Reggie Bush. Just not as quick and fast, but a better blocker

Not as fast, but just as quick and agile. He also runs with more power and is a better all around player (running routes, picking up blocks).

We should be looking to pair him and McGahee up in that role and develop Moreno as a slot WR option. It would add a very valuable extra dynamic to this team and make the likely loss of Lloyd much more palatable. The real problem we'll have next off-season is getting a replacement for McGahee in house because McGahee probably isn't going to have a lot of high mileage years left.

Simple Jake
10-09-2011, 08:50 PM
Not as fast, but just as quick and agile. He also runs with more power and is a better all around player (running routes, picking up blocks).

We should be looking to pair him and McGahee up in that role and develop Moreno as a slot WR option. It would add a very valuable extra dynamic to this team and make the likely loss of Lloyd much more palatable. The real problem we'll have next off-season is getting a replacement for McGahee in house because McGahee probably isn't going to have a lot of high mileage years left.

You hate lloyd

Drek
10-09-2011, 09:10 PM
You hate lloyd

I'm just honest about what Lloyd is. His career record does not indicate that his recent "breakthrough" is going to be sustainable well into his 30's and he wants a contract based upon the assumption that it will.

Add that we're just a cheap team right now and the entire set up points towards Lloyd moving on after this season. I'd love to see us sign him to a 3 year, $15M deal with say, $8M guaranteed. But I see no way he takes that. Anything more and we enter the point of significant risk with a good portion of what free budget we have.

Ideal world we keep all our WRs and let them develop with Tebow. It would give us a plethora of good weapons and we'd be able to build a Patriots/Packers style "every week its someone else" style receiving stable for Tebow. But its all about cost/benefit analysis and if Lloyd gets real #1 money from someone I really hope its not from us.

DENVERDUI55
10-09-2011, 09:11 PM
Did you see Moreno's TD?

One freaking play. Guy usually goes down on first contact even if it's just a defenders hand touching his leg. That's only in the 6 games a year that his glass vagina allows. We wasted a #12 PICK on Kevin Faulk.

Popps
10-09-2011, 09:18 PM
I'm just honest about what Lloyd is. His career record does not indicate that his recent "breakthrough" is going to be sustainable well into his 30's and he wants a contract based upon the assumption that it will.

Add that we're just a cheap team right now and the entire set up points towards Lloyd moving on after this season. I'd love to see us sign him to a 3 year, $15M deal with say, $8M guaranteed. But I see no way he takes that. Anything more and we enter the point of significant risk with a good portion of what free budget we have.

Ideal world we keep all our WRs and let them develop with Tebow. It would give us a plethora of good weapons and we'd be able to build a Patriots/Packers style "every week its someone else" style receiving stable for Tebow. But its all about cost/benefit analysis and if Lloyd gets real #1 money from someone I really hope its not from us.

I've had some concerns as well, Drek. If he wants to break the bank, I agree that it's the wrong move. But, if we can lock him up for top 15 WR money for a few years... I say we do it. It's just hard to find legitimate deep threats who can make plays out of nothing. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out.

Play2win
10-09-2011, 09:29 PM
Knowshon reminds me a little bit of Reggie Bush. Just not as quick and fast, but a better blocker

I was going to say-- a poor-man's Reggie Bush.

Play2win
10-09-2011, 09:33 PM
Not as fast, but just as quick and agile. He also runs with more power and is a better all around player (running routes, picking up blocks).

We should be looking to pair him and McGahee up in that role and develop Moreno as a slot WR option. It would add a very valuable extra dynamic to this team and make the likely loss of Lloyd much more palatable. The real problem we'll have next off-season is getting a replacement for McGahee in house because McGahee probably isn't going to have a lot of high mileage years left.

ugh!~

Play2win
10-09-2011, 09:38 PM
I've had some concerns as well, Drek. If he wants to break the bank, I agree that it's the wrong move. But, if we can lock him up for top 15 WR money for a few years... I say we do it. It's just hard to find legitimate deep threats who can make plays out of nothing. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out.

I think Lloyd is way more than just a "legitimate deep threat".

He does so much more than just go deep.

Would love to see him in WCO slants across the middle if we had (can develop) a QB to deliver the ball on time and with authority. He might really be able to split the seam.

broncosteven
10-09-2011, 10:16 PM
Is it true that KM had 0 carries today? I was checking the box score and saw that Willis had 125, Timbo 38, and INTon -1 but no KM.

Then I looked at his yardage for this year.

5 weeks in he has 10 carries for 26 yards.

That puts him on track for just over 400 yards.

So yea we are stuck with him on our team and we are paying him 1st round money to be a receiving back who is not trusted to run the ball. But he is on our team!

broncosteven
10-09-2011, 10:18 PM
I think Lloyd is way more than just a "legitimate deep threat".

He does so much more than just go deep.

Would love to see him in WCO slants across the middle if we had (can develop) a QB to deliver the ball on time and with authority. He might really be able to split the seam.

http://media.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/49ers/archives/blduck.gif

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 10:28 PM
Yea, it's a shame we have to wait two weeks to see him again. On the upside, the staff has time to work on some passing plays he can execute. Great spark, great leader but his throws were not pretty. We'll need to find a way to keep defense honest, because they're going to start bringing the heat on him and stacking the line. That leaves plenty of stuff open for most NFL QBs. Hopefully Timmy can capitalize and make D's pay if they try to take away too much of the run.

Tebow is automatic with the fly route.

If they stack the line, Tebow already has developed several skills to deal with it.

Its what teams did to him in college.

And don't think that stacking the line will stop him from getting 4 yards every time he carries the ball over the course of an entire game. He's going to get his.

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 10:30 PM
I was going to say-- a poor-man's Reggie Bush.

Reggie Bush is a poor man's reggie Bush.

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 10:31 PM
I've had some concerns as well, Drek. If he wants to break the bank, I agree that it's the wrong move. But, if we can lock him up for top 15 WR money for a few years... I say we do it. It's just hard to find legitimate deep threats who can make plays out of nothing. It'll be interesting to see how it pans out.

Demaryius Thomas is a legit deep threat. He's a monster player.

If he can actually get on the field and stay there, he's going to be a special player.

Simple Jake
10-09-2011, 10:40 PM
Demaryius Thomas is a legit deep threat. He's a monster player.

If he can actually get on the field and stay there, he's going to be a special player.

Now if D Thomas can prove to stay healthy than I may be more willing for denver to see what value they can get out of Lloyd.. drives me crazy how talented this kid is and can't seem to stay healthy.. I remember him completely owning Revis last year for that TD.. big, strong, fast, solid hands, good after the catch.. what more could you ask for (other than not being injury prone)

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 10:51 PM
Now if D Thomas can prove to stay healthy than I may be more willing for denver to see what value they can get out of Lloyd.. drives me crazy how talented this kid is and can't seem to stay healthy.. I remember him completely owning Revis last year for that TD.. big, strong, fast, solid hands, good after the catch.. what more could you ask for (other than not being injury prone)

He has a good attitude too.

enjolras
10-09-2011, 11:04 PM
Props to McGahee for snapping off a salute as well, I have an instant warm spot for anyone who pays homage to the past like that:)

Atwater His Ass
10-09-2011, 11:18 PM
One freaking play. Guy usually goes down on first contact even if it's just a defenders hand touching his leg. That's only in the 6 games a year that his glass vagina allows. We wasted a #12 PICK on Kevin Faulk.

The guy's a bust based on where we drafted him, no doubt. But moving forward, we have to find a way to utilize him. Obviously he can't be relied upon to be a starter, but he can have siginificant impact as a 3rd down / change of pace back and potentially as slot WR.

I for one certaintly didn't mind seeing him run over some guys and finish off a run for a touch down.

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 11:22 PM
The guy's a bust based on where we drafted him, no doubt. But moving forward, we have to find a way to utilize him. Obviously he can't be relied upon to be a starter, but he can have siginificant impact as a 3rd down / change of pace back and potentially as slot WR.

I for one certaintly didn't mind seeing him run over some guys and finish off a run for a touch down.

Denver needs a pass-catching back to play with Tebow. Its now a necessity.

McDman
10-09-2011, 11:24 PM
Conversely I think Knowshon is some things he isn't. That's why I think it's a good pairing.

Moreno can still be a valuable asset to this team. I read a good article about people getting overly concerned with where guys were drafted, as opposed to the value they may still have to the organization. I'll try to dig it up.

Either way, both of them healthy spells a pretty nice combo, imo. Though, I do think WM will wear down at this rate. Got to find a way to give him some rest in games like this.

That's what I've been saying. People hate on him because he was drafted #12, it wasn't like he drafted himself, he isn't to blame for that mistake. He is a good third down back who blocks and catches really well out of the backfield, I think he is going to do good things if he stays healthy.

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 11:28 PM
That's what I've been saying. People hate on him because he was drafted #12, it wasn't like he drafted himself, he isn't to blame for that mistake. He is a good third down back who blocks and catches really well out of the backfield, I think he is going to do good things if he stays healthy.

The role of a player like Moreno will be increased now that Tebow is playing QB. Plays that may have been Orton short passes to Decker/etc in the past will be screens and short passes to Moreno/Larsen.

strafen
10-09-2011, 11:49 PM
I actually love the combo of these two backs. We probably need to get Moreno a few more touches per game to keep WM healthy, but hopefully he can play at this level for at least another year. Great to see us using POWER again!

He's better than Moreno

maven
10-09-2011, 11:56 PM
Props to Willis. While the speed isn't there, he's playing hard. And as mentioned, I think Moreno will be a good back for Tebow.

Popps
10-10-2011, 12:01 AM
Holy ****, I just realized that Moreno's (brief) touchdown dance was the "Exercise Bike." Watch it again.

BroncoMan4ever
10-10-2011, 12:36 AM
i will gladly eat my crow and apologize for my lack of enthusiasm with his signing. however, i still believe this team would be well served to find him a partner in the backfield next season.

broncocalijohn
10-10-2011, 12:40 AM
I actually love the combo of these two backs. We probably need to get Moreno a few more touches per game to keep WM healthy, but hopefully he can play at this level for at least another year. Great to see us using POWER again!

Actually, I was thinking we need to get WM a few more touches to keep Moreno healthy! Hilarious!

Agamemnon
10-10-2011, 02:26 AM
That's what I've been saying. People hate on him because he was drafted #12, it wasn't like he drafted himself, he isn't to blame for that mistake. He is a good third down back who blocks and catches really well out of the backfield, I think he is going to do good things if he stays healthy.

As far as I'm concerned I don't think Moreno has ever been given much of a shot to be successful. His offensive line was atrocious his first two years and now he's been supplanted due to injury and McGahee blowing up. Not to say he's a great back, but he's probably better than many give him credit for.

cutthemdown
10-10-2011, 02:29 AM
By far the fastest Moreno ever got moving on a football field. He actually looked fast on that play.

Agamemnon
10-10-2011, 02:30 AM
i will gladly eat my crow and apologize for my lack of enthusiasm with his signing. however, i still believe this team would be well served to find him a partner in the backfield next season.

Running back should definitely be a priority next draft. Not 1st round or anything. Maybe 2nd or 3rd round. McGahee is too old to last, and Moreno can't carry a heavy load.

Drek
10-10-2011, 05:52 AM
By far the fastest Moreno ever got moving on a football field. He actually looked fast on that play.

He's looked faster all season, ever since he dropped the extra combine weight he put on and got back to where he was at UGA.

The problems with Moreno aren't hard to see. Was he over drafted? Sure. But a class just rife with 1st round busts. We're far from the only team to blow a top 15 pick that year, ours just happens to actually produce for us. He's underwhemling for a back taken that high, but a guy with his production over the last couple seasons is hardly a "bust".

That is, unless your viewpoint is "all-pro or bust" for every higher round pick.

This is the first season we've got to see him get back to what should be his football shape. Its also the first season he's had the bell cow back duties lifted off his shoulders, which was never a good fit for him to begin with.

He needs to learn to run more decisively for sure, and he shouldn't be used as a 20 carry a game back in pretty much any situation. But he's still very valuable to this team if used correctly.

He's a swiss army knife back. Nothing far and away better than other options at any one given skill, but so many useful tools in the package that he proves valuable.

McGahee should be viewed as the 15-20 carry a game back, Morneo should be a 5-10 carries, 5-10 catches a game back who we can split out wide. Next draft we need to go get a similar horse to McGahee in the middle rounds (2nd to 4th) and start developing him before it becomes a flagrant need again.

oubronco
10-10-2011, 07:06 AM
McGahee was the MVP of the game

Popps
10-10-2011, 03:57 PM
He's looked faster all season, ever since he dropped the extra combine weight he put on and got back to where he was at UGA.

The problems with Moreno aren't hard to see. Was he over drafted? Sure. But a class just rife with 1st round busts. We're far from the only team to blow a top 15 pick that year, ours just happens to actually produce for us. He's underwhemling for a back taken that high, but a guy with his production over the last couple seasons is hardly a "bust".

That is, unless your viewpoint is "all-pro or bust" for every higher round pick.

This is the first season we've got to see him get back to what should be his football shape. Its also the first season he's had the bell cow back duties lifted off his shoulders, which was never a good fit for him to begin with.

He needs to learn to run more decisively for sure, and he shouldn't be used as a 20 carry a game back in pretty much any situation. But he's still very valuable to this team if used correctly.

He's a swiss army knife back. Nothing far and away better than other options at any one given skill, but so many useful tools in the package that he proves valuable.

McGahee should be viewed as the 15-20 carry a game back, Morneo should be a 5-10 carries, 5-10 catches a game back who we can split out wide. Next draft we need to go get a similar horse to McGahee in the middle rounds (2nd to 4th) and start developing him before it becomes a flagrant need again.

A+

pricejj
10-10-2011, 04:05 PM
I was genuinely surprised by him in this game. The guy still has some gas in the tank apparently.

...been calling it the whole time. McGahee is a real NFL RB. Never had a doubt...as long as he can stay healthy.

...and pick up a 3rd round RB.

Requiem
10-10-2011, 04:15 PM
...been calling it the whole time. McGahee is a real NFL RB. Never had a doubt...as long as he can stay healthy.

...and pick up a 3rd round RB.

What RB would you like?

fontaine
10-10-2011, 04:41 PM
He's a swiss army knife back. Nothing far and away better than other options at any one given skill, but so many useful tools in the package that he proves valuable.


I agree Knowshon isn't really very good at any one thing.

broncosteven
10-10-2011, 07:32 PM
As far as I'm concerned I don't think Moreno has ever been given much of a shot to be successful. His offensive line was atrocious his first two years and now he's been supplanted due to injury and McGahee blowing up. Not to say he's a great back, but he's probably better than many give him credit for.

Funny but Willis is running behind the same OL. Both struggled in the 1st game of the year but after that Willis turned it on and since has had 3 100+ yard games.

KM lost the job because his backup is consistently out performing him.

It is up to KM now to win it back or find a role to play on the team.

I wonder if Fox decided not to give KM a carry vs SD for a reason or if he just thought that Timmy was a better option for us in the run game? He didn't look hurt on the screen pass so I wouldn't say it was due to injury that KM was not given a single carry yesterday.

CEH
10-10-2011, 07:49 PM
All you have to do is watch how patience WM is when running. Moreno is just the opposite.

Agamemnon
10-10-2011, 07:56 PM
Funny but Willis is running behind the same OL.

If you think this offensive line in any way resembles what we had during Moreno's first two seasons you are retarded. Period.

errand
10-10-2011, 08:17 PM
I actually love the combo of these two backs. We probably need to get Moreno a few more touches per game to keep WM healthy, but hopefully he can play at this level for at least another year. Great to see us using POWER again!

Fox was able to get something out of stephen davis too

Mr. Elway
10-10-2011, 08:19 PM
Holy ****, I just realized that Moreno's (brief) touchdown dance was the "Exercise Bike." Watch it again.

LOL, rep.

broncosteven
10-10-2011, 10:02 PM
If you think this offensive line in any way resembles what we had during Moreno's first two seasons you are retarded. Period.

Can you Explain for a retard?

Clady and Kuper have been here during KM's tenure, Walton and Beadles were starters last year. Franklin is a rook and at times played like one but a healthy Ryan Harris was much better.

That leaves Weigman and a bad Hockstein in KM's 1st and best year.

So yep, this retard doesn't understand your point.

KM's production has declined every year he has been in the league, he should be getting better but you can't do that if the coaches don't trust you enough to give you a carry.

Requiem
10-10-2011, 10:06 PM
Walton and Beadles were rookies last year who had some of the worst play at their positions in the league and Ryan Harris was never a quality run blocker in his tenure with the Broncos, nor even at Notre Dame. He was always a finesse blocker who excelled in pass pro as opposed to run blocking. Franklin is already much more effective, even as a rookie in that role. He has the power and aggressiveness Ryan didn't have on this team.

Yes, I would say that McGahee is running behind a more seasoned and improved line by both years experience and potential.

schaaf
10-10-2011, 10:13 PM
Can you Explain for a retard?

Clady and Kuper have been here during KM's tenure, Walton and Beadles were starters last year. Franklin is a rook and at times played like one but a healthy Ryan Harris was much better.

That leaves Weigman and a bad Hockstein in KM's 1st and best year.

So yep, this retard doesn't understand your point.

KM's production has declined every year he has been in the league, he should be getting better but you can't do that if the coaches don't trust you enough to give you a carry.

They have the same players but so far Beadles And Walton have been playing much better than their rookie year.

Orlando Franklin is playing a lot better as a rookie this year then Zane and JD did last year. He is also a step up from Stanley Daniels who seemed to have started several games last year.

Clady Is a lot better this year than last.

Kuper is healthy this year as last year you could obviously tell he was hobbled up.

They have an offensive line coach that is known throughout the NFL as one of the best at his job.

And they also have Fox, who unlike McDaniels will demand good offensive line play and if he's not getting it that's what they focus on instead of simply throwing more.

So I agree with him, this line is far better, they're a very very young unit that you can see improvements in each week

Requiem
10-10-2011, 10:19 PM
Schaaf, you keep reppin' for Glendive, MT. One of my first college friends was from that pisshole. You two are good peeps! (Even if you believe in the Dino Museum!)

schaaf
10-10-2011, 10:27 PM
Schaaf, you keep reppin' for Glendive, MT. One of my first college friends was from that pisshole. You two are good peeps! (Even if you believe in the Dino Museum!)

Haha yeah I took some **** for that museum! And damn I pretty much took what you wrote and reworded it and hit submit haha^5

broncosteven
10-11-2011, 12:53 PM
So Req and Saaf why did KM have his best year behind the weakest OL of the past 3 years?

I would also argue that having a back like McGahee gives the OL confidence they didn't have when KM is running up their backs and unable to break tackles at the point of attack or make something out of nothing.

Sure the OL is getting better than it was in week 1 but both backs are running behind the same line now but only one of them is trusted to get carry's in games.

I still think Harris was a better run blocker than Franklin is at this point, I think Franklin has the potential to grow into a better RT than Harris as the year goes on but Harris was better than given credit for Req.

Drek
10-11-2011, 01:49 PM
So Req and Saaf why did KM have his best year behind the weakest OL of the past 3 years?
You're working on a two year sample size. Moreno improved as a player from his rookie season to his second year, you could see that in his numbers and his approach on the field. So despite a worse OL than the year before he still put up better numbers. Nothing crazy going on there.

Beadles and Walton have taken big steps forward this season however, that is not particularly disputable. Clady and Kuper are night and day better, again not surprising because neither had a chance to really get healthy all last season. Franklin is a much more stout run blocker than Harris, who was a shell of his former self when he did play last season due to the serious nature of his injuries.

I would also argue that having a back like McGahee gives the OL confidence they didn't have when KM is running up their backs and unable to break tackles at the point of attack or make something out of nothing.
Moreno in his time here has consistently eluded tackles and turned negative gains into positive ones. You are making up flaws to criticize him when he's got a perfectly valid flaw you should be focused on. Which is that while he turns negative runs into slight positives he also finds ways to marginalize good blocking when given it because he dances too much.

Maybe that is a product of being shellshocked over how poor his blocking has been and the last two years he's just had no faith in a hole being there so he failed to utilize them the few times they were. Maybe he thinks the same type of **** he could get away with in college will play in the NFL. Whatever the reason, that is Moreno's number one problem. Not soft running or an inability to evade tackles, just god awful decision making.

Sure the OL is getting better than it was in week 1 but both backs are running behind the same line now but only one of them is trusted to get carry's in games.
Moreno wasn't healthy and since then McGahee's had the hot hand. In the opener Moreno got more carries than McGahee and did more with them. Since Moreno has gotten healthy we've seen McGahee run at a 6.9 and 7.8 YPC clip on 15 and 16 carries respectively. If that is all we're going to run the ball why do you take it away from the guy with a hot hand?

I still think Harris was a better run blocker than Franklin is at this point, I think Franklin has the potential to grow into a better RT than Harris as the year goes on but Harris was better than given credit for Req.
I'm a huge ND homer and absolutely loved having Ryan Harris on this team, but he was never an elite run blocker and outside the ZBS he wasn't even a particularly good one. Coupled with the complete physical break down he's suffered the last few seasons and you have a recipe for disaster.

Its a shame because when healthy and in the ZBS Harris was an effective run blocker who was a standout in pass pro. But neither of those were true his last two years here.