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epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 03:12 PM
Tebow has replaced Orton.

Killericon
10-09-2011, 03:13 PM
Tebow goes 7/20, with no INTs.

Orton starts again next week.

I'M A PROPHET!

Rock Chalk
10-09-2011, 03:14 PM
And the result is the same.

3 and out.

Told y'all. THe team sucks, QBs wont matter.

Here's to hoping Tebow can succeed with this crappy team.

OrangeSe7en
10-09-2011, 03:17 PM
And the result is the same.

3 and out.

Told y'all. THe team sucks, QBs wont matter.

Here's to hoping Tebow can succeed with this crappy team.

Not really. At least not this game, unless he has had significant reps during practice.

UberBroncoMan
10-09-2011, 03:18 PM
Tebow goes 7/20, with no INTs.

Orton starts again next week.

I'M A PROPHET!

As long as he doesn't start the week after next it's a good sign.

OrangeSe7en
10-09-2011, 03:21 PM
That was a nice play on that deep ball to Decker. He created time allowing Decker to get deep. He'll hit some of those. These plays dont happen with Orton.

Rohirrim
10-09-2011, 03:22 PM
Drama llama with another premature ejaculation. Story of his life.

Rock Chalk
10-09-2011, 03:23 PM
Not really. At least not this game, unless he has had significant reps during practice.

We'll see. I hope Tebow can turn it around but I see a pretty crappy all around team on the field.

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 03:23 PM
And the result is the same.

3 and out.

Told y'all. THe team sucks, QBs wont matter.

Here's to hoping Tebow can succeed with this crappy team.

You didn't tell anybody anything.

The entirety of the body of Broncos fans with any sense knew that the team sucked with Orton at least as bad as it would suck with Tebow, and thus it made zero sense to keep Orton on the field.

That held out to be true to reality.

You're just late to the party.

jhns
10-09-2011, 03:32 PM
We wont lose another game.

Dagmar
10-09-2011, 03:47 PM
We wont lose another game.

And you are always right, right?

Jay3
10-09-2011, 03:48 PM
We wont lose another game.

I was going to post "We won't ever punt again" but I got here three possessions too late.

I was going to post "We won't ever go three and out again," but again, three positions too late. :yayaya:

jhns
10-09-2011, 03:49 PM
And you are always right, right?

Exactly. Good times ahead.

Rascal
10-09-2011, 03:49 PM
1-5 with zero yards. Next QB.

Popps
10-09-2011, 03:53 PM
1-5 with zero yards. Next QB.

Got us in the endzone, though.

One possession game.

go_broncos
10-09-2011, 04:18 PM
**** YOU EFX for not starting Tebow from game 1.

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 04:19 PM
**** YOU EFX for not starting Tebow from game 1.

Tebow is obviously a gamer.

The team finally will figure it out.

fontaine
10-09-2011, 04:24 PM
I look forward to seeing what this offense can do with two full weeks of Tebow getting coached up and practice with the first team with more plays designed for him.

colorado jones
10-09-2011, 04:29 PM
And the result is the same.

3 and out.

Told y'all. THe team sucks, QBs wont matter.

Here's to hoping Tebow can succeed with this crappy team.

Nice prediction douche.

Liebs
10-09-2011, 04:33 PM
following the incompletion at the end, broncos fans were chanting TEBOW TEBOW. I think that says it all

BroncoLover
10-09-2011, 04:33 PM
Atleast it was fun to watch and fun, even though it was a L. I dont mind watching games like these than the one orton gives us :sunshine:

houghtam
10-09-2011, 04:33 PM
Win or lose (hopefully win), the excitement has returned, at least for now.

theAPAOps5
10-09-2011, 04:33 PM
Damn Tebow nearly brought them back. Ball hit Willis in the gut of the defenders arm

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 04:34 PM
A game that was over at half time with Orton came down to the last play with Tebow.

go_broncos
10-09-2011, 04:34 PM
And the result is the same.

3 and out.

Told y'all. THe team sucks, QBs wont matter.

Here's to hoping Tebow can succeed with this crappy team.

**** you Rock..you suck..

fontaine
10-09-2011, 04:34 PM
We'll see. I hope Tebow can turn it around but I see a pretty crappy all around team on the field.

This team was on it's way to being embarressed again with Orton hamstringing the offense.

Tebow actually makes this offense competitive and kept drives alive with his feet when Orton would have had a multiple sack, multiple turnover game.

It sucks to lose but this is SOMETHING the team can build on.

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 04:35 PM
Damn Tebow nearly brought them back. Ball hit Willis in the gut of the defenders arm

If Lloyd would have caught that ball on the 2-point conversion, we would have just been in FG position and likely would have taken the game to OT.

orangenblue
10-09-2011, 04:38 PM
A game that was over at half time with Orton came down to the last play with Tebow.

Exactly! Tebow makes plays! Orton blows plays!

orangenblue
10-09-2011, 04:38 PM
If Lloyd would have caught that ball on the 2-point conversion, we would have just been in FG position and likely would have taken the game to OT.

And it was a great throw by Tebow

GreatBronco16
10-09-2011, 04:41 PM
Orton starts after the bye week. Any takers?

That One Guy
10-09-2011, 04:42 PM
I was pro-Orton during TC but Tebow was one idiotic defender's penalty away from making this a win. Give him the full two mins and I think we could very likely score there. Go with Tebow for a "what the hell" shot in the dark.

orangenblue
10-09-2011, 04:42 PM
He is like a cat in the pocket. He feels the pressure. Did you see the last play? Watch his eyes he was looking around himself the whole time to see who was coming from where. He bought time and made the throw. Hey buys time and extends plays. That is huge! Orton can't do that. It's something that can't be measured in practice or seen on a stat sheet.

LRtagger
10-09-2011, 04:47 PM
on the 5th game he rose again from the dead

UberBroncoMan
10-09-2011, 04:51 PM
following the incompletion at the end, broncos fans were chanting TEBOW TEBOW. I think that says it all

Yeah, that was pretty telling.

Agamemnon
10-09-2011, 04:53 PM
And the result is the same.

3 and out.

Told y'all. THe team sucks, QBs wont matter.

Here's to hoping Tebow can succeed with this crappy team.

You are such a joke...

Agamemnon
10-09-2011, 04:54 PM
Orton starts after the bye week. Any takers?

Does Fox hate his job? That would be the only explanation for such a thing...

Tim
10-09-2011, 04:55 PM
Orton starts after the bye week. Any takers?

If it happens, nobody is showing up to the detroit game. Myself included

Dagmar
10-09-2011, 05:02 PM
If it happens, nobody is showing up to the detroit game. Myself included

I have tickets myself, plus my halloween costume ready. If they don't start Tebow? I'll sell those tickets.

BBB1980
10-09-2011, 05:05 PM
Tebow goes 7/20, with no INTs.

Orton starts again next week.

I'M A PROPHET!

Isn't next week the BYE WEEK

BroncosSR
10-09-2011, 05:06 PM
Out of pure curiosity, do any Orton supporters still believe he gives the Broncos the best chance to win?

Honest question, just looking for an honest answer.

Bigdawg26
10-09-2011, 05:10 PM
I say screw it and let Tebow play. It's a win win situation. The media and fanbase wants tebow to play so we can see what he's all about (for the people who don't have the chance to watch him in practice). That will put fans back in Mile High, and media attention. If he does well then we don't have to use our first round pick on a QB, and we can get another position of need. If he does not, then everybody going to run him out of town, and EFX can get the QB they want after all (and they will have the fanbase behind the move).

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 05:13 PM
Tebow looked fantastic.

He's an old-school QB...a throw back to the roots of American football.

They need to design plays that exploit Tebow's running and passing ability for every game. Letting Tebow run puts him in rhythm and stretches the defense.

Tebow's not a pure pocket passer and nobody should want him to be.

Doggcow
10-09-2011, 05:16 PM
First posts in this thread, anti-tebow, lol.

You're morons.

Kyle Orton would have scored 21 in the 4th right?

barryr
10-09-2011, 05:17 PM
Tebow looked fantastic.

He's an old-school QB...a throw back to the roots of American football.

They need to design plays that exploit Tebow's running and passing ability for every game. Letting Tebow run puts him in rhythm and stretches the defense.

Tebow's not a pure pocket passer and nobody should want him to be.

What I find hilarious is how people say Tebow can't be under center while watching Orton taking numerous snaps in the shot gun no less. Like maybe the Broncos should do the same with Tebow. Duh.

Agamemnon
10-09-2011, 05:19 PM
Tebow looked fantastic.

He's an old-school QB...a throw back to the roots of American football.

They need to design plays that exploit Tebow's running and passing ability for every game. Letting Tebow run puts him in rhythm and stretches the defense.

Tebow's not a pure pocket passer and nobody should want him to be.

That's the thing that has baffled me in all of this. Yes passing from the pocket is not his strength, especially on dropbacks from under center, but he has so many other strengths that I just don't see why he shouldn't be starting and learning on the job. He'll get better from the pocket. He's already great in so many other areas.

OABB
10-09-2011, 05:56 PM
1-5 with zero yards. Next QB.

I'm leaving the Mane. seriously. I've had it.

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 05:59 PM
I'm leaving the Mane. seriously. I've had it.

Like Gruden saw with Tebow, lets revolutionize the position...regress it back to the day when the QB was not only the distributor, but the primary ball carrier.

Create a half-shotgun and run Tebow around the edge for 4-5 yards on every play.

zdoor
10-09-2011, 06:01 PM
In Oregon while stepdad is going thru recovery from open heart surgery and it's been a tough week. The game today was a bright spot after being down in the dumps. Woulda been amazing if won.....

Agamemnon
10-09-2011, 06:02 PM
Like Gruden saw with Tebow, lets revolutionize the position...regress it back to the day when the QB was not only the distributor, but the primary ball carrier.

Create a half-shotgun and run Tebow around the edge for 4-5 yards on every play.

You mean the Pistol? I'd be down with the Pistol being added to our scheme. I think it would work well in the NFL.

pricejj
10-09-2011, 07:04 PM
Tebow starts against the Dolphins...and will be graded on a starter scale after two weeks of practice.

Tebow will have 11 games to prove he can be a franchise QB, or we will draft one in the 1st round 2012.

What does he have to do?

Tebow has to have a winning record (or damn close), and have a completion % > 55%.

GO BRONCOS!!!:boxing:

UberBroncoMan
10-09-2011, 07:06 PM
Tebow starts against the Dolphins...and will be graded on a starter scale after two weeks of practice.

Tebow will have 11 games to prove he can be a franchise QB, or we will draft one in the 1st round 2012.

What does he have to do?

Tebow has to have a winning record (or damn close), and have a completion % > 55%.

Grade-out time starts in 2 weeks.

Too bad we can only have two days of practice next week under the new CBA. At least we'll have lots of extra time to plan and scheme around him.

pricejj
10-09-2011, 07:10 PM
Too bad we can only have two days of practice next week under the new CBA. At least we'll have lots of extra time to plan and scheme around him.

Darn...well at least he will have a full week of practice under his belt to take on the mighty Dolphins (0-4).

This becomes a must win for Timmy, much like the SD game was a must win for Orton...

We'll see how Timmy performs...can't wait!!!

^5

TheDave
10-09-2011, 07:13 PM
Tebow starts against the Dolphins...and will be graded on a starter scale after two weeks of practice.

Tebow will have 11 games to prove he can be a franchise QB, or we will draft one in the 1st round 2012.



I think it is pretty simple (maybe not fair, but simple) if he can win enough games and get this team out of the top 10 of the draft then I think he will get his chance next season. If we are still in the top 10 (and especially if we are top 5)... that will probably be it for him.

pricejj
10-09-2011, 07:27 PM
I think it is pretty simple (maybe not fair, but simple) if he can win enough games and get this team out of the top 10 of the draft then I think he will get his chance next season. If we are still in the top 10 (and especially if we are top 5)... that will probably be it for him.

Last year 6-10 teams were drafting 12th overall...

Tebow would have to go 5-6 to finish the year 6-10 (which is damn close to a winning record).

IMO, he will have to complete about 55% of his passes to prove he does not have an "accuracy issue", that would prevent him from being a franchise QB. 55% is pretty good for a rookie QB. GO BRONCOS!!!

pricejj
10-09-2011, 07:33 PM
I think it is pretty simple (maybe not fair, but simple) if he can win enough games and get this team out of the top 10 of the draft then I think he will get his chance next season. If we are still in the top 10 (and especially if we are top 5)... that will probably be it for him.

The QB's that I think will be drafted in the top 12 this year are:

1. Luck
2. Barkley
3. Griffin
4. Foles
5. Jones

...Kellen Moore get's drafted 2nd round

Who will be drafting those guys?

1. Colts
2. Chiefs
3. Dolphins
4. Cardinals
5. Seahawks

...and yes...they will probably all be drafting in the top 12.

TheDave
10-09-2011, 07:36 PM
Last year 6-10 teams were drafting 12th overall...

Tebow would have to go 5-6 to finish the year 6-10 (which is damn close to a winning record).

IMO, he will have to complete about 55% of his passes to prove he does not have an "accuracy issue", that would prevent him from being a franchise QB. 55% is pretty good for a rookie QB. GO BRONCOS!!!

I completely agree it's unfair... Unfortunately, IMO if we are drafting at 5-7 and there sits the #3 QB in a deep QB field...well...I don't think Elway will be able to say no to that.

pricejj
10-09-2011, 08:01 PM
Incidentally,to actually go 5-6 or better, Timmy will have to have ONE HECKUVA YEAR.

Cam Newton:.......1-4.......58.2%.....(Panthers have similar talent level of Broncos)
Blaine Gabbert:.....0-3.......49.5%.....(sucking)
Andy Dalton:........3-2.......59.2%.....(performing great for a rookie)
Sam Bradford:......0-4........49.7%.....(McDaniels is destroying one of the best QB prospects in the NFL)
Josh Freeman:......3-2........64.0%.....(kickin A$$)
Colt McCoy:.........2-2.......58.2%......(doing good enough)

Tombstone RJ
10-09-2011, 08:14 PM
We'll see. I hope Tebow can turn it around but I see a pretty crappy all around team on the field.

not as crappy as your friggen gayhawks. go suck it.

Drek
10-09-2011, 08:18 PM
I think it is pretty simple (maybe not fair, but simple) if he can win enough games and get this team out of the top 10 of the draft then I think he will get his chance next season. If we are still in the top 10 (and especially if we are top 5)... that will probably be it for him.

I think Elway has his eyes set on the Andrew Luck prize if he goes QB this next draft. Also, I'd expect at least one of Barkley or Jones to stay in school, planning to be the #1 next year (probably Jones, he has the best title aspirations).

All Tebow has to do is show some real growth and the potential to be a franchise QB, coupled with enough wins to make trading for Luck a non-starter. At that point we'll have to refocus our draft on more defensive help.

DarkHorse30
10-09-2011, 08:25 PM
Drama llama with another premature ejaculation. Story of his life.

...on the other hand, have you noticed how long bored Bronco fans have waited for Orton to finally finish and fall asleep (on the bench)?

TheDave
10-09-2011, 08:25 PM
Incidentally,to actually go 5-6 or better, Timmy will have to have ONE HECKUVA YEAR.

Cam Newton:.......1-4.......58.2%.....(Panthers have similar talent level of Broncos)
Blaine Gabbert:.....0-3.......49.5%.....(sucking)
Andy Dalton:........3-2.......59.2%.....(performing great for a rookie)
Sam Bradford:......0-4........49.7%.....(McDaniels is destroying one of the best QB prospects in the NFL)
Josh Freeman:......3-2........64.0%.....(kickin A$$)
Colt McCoy:.........2-2.......58.2%......(doing good enough)

I completely see what you are saying but the reality is next april is going to be a significant time for QB hungry teams.

I'm not sure Elway could say no to Landry/Foles/Griffin/Lindley at 6-8... I don't see any way in the world he can resist a Luck/Barkley/??? at 3-5.

Fair or not, it is going to be up to Tebow to make it as difficult as possible to replace him. I just hope that the coaches support him by designing something he can run effectively.

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 09:54 PM
Tebow starts against the Dolphins...and will be graded on a starter scale after two weeks of practice.

Tebow will have 11 games to prove he can be a franchise QB, or we will draft one in the 1st round 2012.

What does he have to do?

Tebow has to have a winning record (or damn close), and have a completion % > 55%.

GO BRONCOS!!!

I think that Tebow just has to show that he is improving.

Having a winning record is not even part of the equation.

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 09:57 PM
I think Elway has his eyes set on the Andrew Luck prize if he goes QB this next draft. Also, I'd expect at least one of Barkley or Jones to stay in school, planning to be the #1 next year (probably Jones, he has the best title aspirations).

All Tebow has to do is show some real growth and the potential to be a franchise QB, coupled with enough wins to make trading for Luck a non-starter. At that point we'll have to refocus our draft on more defensive help.

If the Broncos aren't in a position to take Luck, then they won't take a QB.

Too many needs at too many positions, and the QB's after Luck are crap. Barkley is crap. Landry Jones is not NFL material, IMO (and I think that most hard-core OU fans like myself will tell you this).

The Lone Bolt
10-09-2011, 10:02 PM
Good game guys. Tebow looks like a winner. Hand him the ball and hand Orton the clipboard for the rest of the season.

DBroncos4life
10-09-2011, 10:05 PM
The QB's that I think will be drafted in the top 12 this year are:

1. Luck
2. Barkley
3. Griffin
4. Foles
5. Jones

...Kellen Moore get's drafted 2nd round

Who will be drafting those guys?

1. Colts
2. Chiefs
3. Dolphins
4. Cardinals
5. Seahawks

...and yes...they will probably all be drafting in the top 12.

Seriously Russell Wilson needs to start getting love.

cabronco
10-09-2011, 10:08 PM
If the Broncos aren't in a position to take Luck, then they won't take a QB.

Too many needs at too many positions, and the QB's after Luck are crap. Barkley is crap. Landry Jones is not NFL material, IMO (and I think that most hard-core OU fans like myself will tell you this).

I don't agree about Jones. I think he will be above average QB in the pros. He made some great throws vs Texas on Saturday, and he's an accurate & good Qb, imo.

Agamemnon
10-09-2011, 10:14 PM
If the Broncos aren't in a position to take Luck, then they won't take a QB.

Too many needs at too many positions, and the QB's after Luck are crap. Barkley is crap. Landry Jones is not NFL material, IMO (and I think that most hard-core OU fans like myself will tell you this).

I agree with this post completely. Elway loves Luck and will draft him if he has the chance, but after that I think they'll go for a corner, a MLB, or some other need. Aside from Luck none of the QBs in this upcoming draft are that exceptional. Unless they simply hate Tebow and can't wait to get rid of him. But the 6 mil they gave him makes me doubt that.

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 10:21 PM
I don't agree about Jones. I think he will be above average QB in the pros. He made some great throws vs Texas on Saturday, and he's an accurate & good Qb, imo.

I have seen every throw that Jones has ever made in a competitive college game. He's a great college QB, sure...and has the inside track on the Heisman right now. But he doesn't really have "it". I love the guy, but I'd rather roll with Tebow.

Tebow gives you a ton of unique weapons.

Landry lets you down. He kind of has the opposite personality as Tebow...Landry plays a little worse when things get iffy. Tebow shines when the game is in doubt.

strafen
10-09-2011, 10:23 PM
He is like a cat in the pocket. He feels the pressure. Did you see the last play? Watch his eyes he was looking around himself the whole time to see who was coming from where. He bought time and made the throw. Hey buys time and extends plays. That is huge! Orton can't do that. It's something that can't be measured in practice or seen on a stat sheet.

That is called in english: Improvisation talent! :strong:
Not many QB's have that.
Tebow faltered a little in the 3rd qtr trying to go in without knowing he was going to play today. It showed he was a bit overwhelmed, but then his instincts took over. His football player personna took over on the 4th qtr and look out! he almost won the freakin' game when things looked we didn't have a prayer to even make it a game!
This is what makes a whole football team better. His inspiration is an inspiration to others around him.
I'm looking forward to enjoy football again after almost 3 years of misery and agony.
I feel I'm alive!
Tebow has arrived, and he can only learn and get better in live games.
Hail to the king!

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 10:26 PM
That is called in english: Improvisation talent! :strong:
Not many QB's have that.
Tebow faltered a little in the 3rd qtr trying to go in without knowing he was going to play today. It showed he was a bit overwhelmed, but then his instincts took over. His football player personna took over on the 4th qtr and look out! he almost won the freakin' game when things looked we didn't have a prayer to even make it a game!
This is what makes a whole football team better. His inspiration is an inspiration to others around him.
I'm looking forward to enjoy football again after almost 3 years of misery and agony.
I feel I'm alive!
Tebow has arrived, and he can only learn and get better in live games.
Hail to the king!

Bring out the gladiator and let him go head to head with the king's assassins.

strafen
10-09-2011, 10:26 PM
I don't agree about Jones. I think he will be above average QB in the pros. He made some great throws vs Texas on Saturday, and he's an accurate & good Qb, imo.Luck or bust, but I roll the dice with Tebow.
We've got a lot of football left to play this season that would tell us a lot about Tebow.
I'm confident that when everything is said and done, that Tebow will not have disappoint us

cabronco
10-09-2011, 10:35 PM
I have seen every throw that Jones has ever made in a competitive college game. He's a great college QB, sure...and has the inside track on the Heisman right now. But he doesn't really have "it". I love the guy, but I'd rather roll with Tebow.

Tebow gives you a ton of unique weapons.

Landry lets you down. He kind of has the opposite personality as Tebow...Landry plays a little worse when things get iffy. Tebow shines when the game is in doubt.


I wasnt comparing Landry to Tebow. I just disagreed with you saying Landry isnt NFL material. I think he will get drafted and make a team and be above average. Yes I am a sooner fan that watches their games, ones that are televized anyways.

strafen
10-09-2011, 10:36 PM
I completely see what you are saying but the reality is next april is going to be a significant time for QB hungry teams.

I'm not sure Elway could say no to Landry/Foles/Griffin/Lindley at 6-8... I don't see any way in the world he can resist a Luck/Barkley/??? at 3-5.

Fair or not, it is going to be up to Tebow to make it as difficult as possible to replace him. I just hope that the coaches support him by designing something he can run effectively.It all comes down to reps.
Tebow will develop a better timing with his receivers the more they practice and the more they play together on Sundays.
The receivers will learn right quick that as long as Tebow has the ball, the play is NOT dead and they better learn how to get open when plays breakdown because that's when Tebow is at his best.

JJJ
10-09-2011, 10:39 PM
I have to admit your boy is exciting. He has the Steve Young factor. Remember those Buccaneer lowlights in the early days and how awful he was? He was a football folly highlight all to himself but the flashes of brilliance were there. No doubt you should start Tebow the rest of the year and let him learn the game. And the kid seems deadly in the redzone. Gives the defense a lot to think about.

There is also no doubt you will draft a QB as well or bring a tested veteran next year if the pickings are too slim. Tebow's chances of playing injury-free in the NFL over 10 to 12 games are quite low the way he plays.

Agamemnon
10-09-2011, 10:43 PM
Tebow's chances of playing injury-free in the NFL over 10 to 12 games are quite low the way he plays.

He didn't take one big hit today and has never had injury problems, so when people say stuff like this I'm like: ::)

He isn't built like Vick. He's built like a linebacker. He'll be fine.

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 10:45 PM
I have to admit your boy is exciting. He has the Steve Young factor. Remember those Buccaneer lowlights in the early days and how awful he was? He was a football folly highlight all to himself but the flashes of brilliance were there. No doubt you should start Tebow the rest of the year and let him learn the game. And the kid seems deadly in the redzone. Gives the defense a lot to think about.

There is also no doubt you will draft a QB as well or bring a tested veteran next year if the pickings are too slim. Tebow's chances of playing injury-free in the NFL over 10 to 12 games are quite low the way he plays.

I don't seen injury as a problem. Every QB gets injured. He's not porcelain like Michael Vick, who just got 100 million.

Pocket QB's get injured every year too. You can make an argument that they are actually more prone to injury because they get taken by surprise on occasion.

Agamemnon
10-09-2011, 10:50 PM
I don't seen injury as a problem. Every QB gets injured. He's not porcelain like Michael Vick, who just got 100 million.

Pocket QB's get injured every year too. You can make an argument that they are actually more prone to injury because they get taken by surprise on occasion.

Most pocket QBs aren't built like Tebow either. People claiming that Tebow will get injured because of the way he plays tickle me. Running five or six times a game is not that much wear and tear. And seeing as he can avoid sacks that QBs like Orton can't, it all evens out. Plus the guy is a true athlete which most QBs are not. There's no reason to think that Tebow will get injured any more or even as much as the average NFL QB.

JJJ
10-09-2011, 11:04 PM
Most pocket QBs aren't built like Tebow either. People claiming that Tebow will get injured because of the way he plays tickle me. Running five or six times a game is not that much wear and tear. And seeing as he can avoid sacks that QBs like Orton can't, it all evens out. Plus the guy is a true athlete which most QBs are not. There's no reason to think that Tebow will get injured any more or even as much as the average NFL QB.

Wishful thinking. He plays like uhhh....Steve Young. Steve Young, the owner of 7 documented NFL concussions and likely more as they didn't track them all that well back then.

To say Tebow doesn't expose himself to more injury than a pure pocket passer is pretty laughable.

TheDave
10-09-2011, 11:07 PM
By the way does this finally put the financial conspiracy theories to rest?

epicSocialism4tw
10-09-2011, 11:09 PM
Wishful thinking. He plays like uhhh....Steve Young. Steve Young, the owner of 7 documented NFL concussions and likely more as they didn't track them all that well back then.

To say Tebow doesn't expose himself to more injury than a pure pocket passer is pretty laughable.

The league was alot tougher back then too.

With today's wussification (see the increase in "personal foul" penalties for what used to be routine plays), Tebow only gets protected more by the QB-friendly rules that are becoming more numerous by the year.

Borks147
10-09-2011, 11:11 PM
By the way does this finally put the financial conspiracy theories to rest?

He did only play 50% of the snaps today (ducks for cover)

DBroncos4life
10-09-2011, 11:14 PM
By the way does this finally put the financial conspiracy theories to rest?

I'm sure he took out a loan.

Agamemnon
10-09-2011, 11:18 PM
Wishful thinking. He plays like uhhh....Steve Young. Steve Young, the owner of 7 documented NFL concussions and likely more as they didn't track them all that well back then.

To say Tebow doesn't expose himself to more injury than a pure pocket passer is pretty laughable.

Oh he exposes himself a bit more, but he's quite a bit more powerful and athletic than pure pocket passers are. The guy was used as a both a RB and a QB in college and suffered only one serious injury...in the pocket by the way. And you should do some research on Steve Young's concussions. Most were sustained while in the pocket. Blindside sacks, especially in that era, were far more dangerous than running with the ball.

JJJ
10-09-2011, 11:18 PM
The league was alot tougher back then too.

With today's wussification (see the increase in "personal foul" penalties for what used to be routine plays), Tebow only gets protected more by the QB-friendly rules that are becoming more numerous by the year.

1000% agree. Goodell is ruining the game. Those calls on the Broncos in that game were great examples.

SoCalBronco
10-09-2011, 11:21 PM
By the way does this finally put the financial conspiracy theories to rest?

On the contrary.

People were openly booing at home and the stadium was probably minutes from being emptied if he didn't get in there. I'm sure they're scared to death of gate receipts falling in the last 3/4 of the season if people are flat out pissed and unwilling to go to games or buy stuff. Between that and how utterly bad Orton played, they had no choice.

If financials weren't at the heart of all these things, why are we 25m under even when the dead money is eliminated? Everything revolves around financials.

TheDave
10-09-2011, 11:35 PM
On the contrary.

People were openly booing at home and the stadium was probably minutes from being emptied if he didn't get in there. I'm sure they're scared to death of gate receipts falling in the last 3/4 of the season if people are flat out pissed and unwilling to go to games or buy stuff. Between that and how utterly bad Orton played, they had no choice.

If financials weren't at the heart of all these things, why are we 25m under even when the dead money is eliminated? Everything revolves around financials.

I don't think financials have anything to do with who plays and who does not. IMO, being under the cap has significantly more to do with seeing what an entirely new staff can do with the talent before we replace all of the talent. Oh and we are paying 3 coaches, and probably several assitants...

Now I'm not saying that our CFO doesn't have too much influence. Unfortunately, when you are running a business during the 2nd great depression most CFO's have too much influence.

JJJ
10-09-2011, 11:40 PM
Oh he exposes himself a bit more, but he's quite a bit more powerful and athletic than pure pocket passers are. The guy was used as a both a RB and a QB in college and suffered only one serious injury...in the pocket by the way. And you should do some research on Steve Young's concussions. Most were sustained while in the pocket. Blindside sacks, especially in that era, were far more dangerous than running with the ball.

It is a style of play issue. When your linemen don't know where you will be most of the time you will get whacked more often. When you refuse to take the sack and extend the play you will get whacked more often. When you move left to right in the pocket a lot you will find yourself with some uncomfortable landings.

Agamemnon
10-10-2011, 01:19 AM
On the contrary.

People were openly booing at home and the stadium was probably minutes from being emptied if he didn't get in there. I'm sure they're scared to death of gate receipts falling in the last 3/4 of the season if people are flat out pissed and unwilling to go to games or buy stuff. Between that and how utterly bad Orton played, they had no choice.

If financials weren't at the heart of all these things, why are we 25m under even when the dead money is eliminated? Everything revolves around financials.

Yep. I think the decision to start Orton was money-based, but his piss poor play forced their hand. Continuing to play Orton would end up losing them much more money than they might save by keeping Tebow on the bench.

Agamemnon
10-10-2011, 01:20 AM
It is a style of play issue. When your linemen don't know where you will be most of the time you will get whacked more often. When you refuse to take the sack and extend the play you will get whacked more often. When you move left to right in the pocket a lot you will find yourself with some uncomfortable landings.

::)

cutthemdown
10-10-2011, 01:32 AM
How many posts did i make telling you all just to chill. We ain't winning the Superbowl this yr and Tebow will start by week 8. Then i actually said it could be this game just a few days ago. Orton had to prove to the team he was junk, prove to fox that he indeed is not a gamer. Tebow will need to learn how to take the ball from under center, thats his huge weakness.

Many plays just don't run good from the shotgun.

cutthemdown
10-10-2011, 01:34 AM
Yep. I think the decision to start Orton was money-based, but his piss poor play forced their hand. Continuing to play Orton would end up losing them much more money than they might save by keeping Tebow on the bench.

So even though I said exactly how it would play out you were still right. But Orton was soooo bad it ruined the evil plan. You have no idea how messed up your brain works but that is what's funny about a narcissist. Have fun being right your whole life while other people laugh at you.

Agamemnon
10-10-2011, 01:41 AM
So even though I said exactly how it would play out you were still right. But Orton was soooo bad it ruined the evil plan. You have no idea how messed up your brain works but that is what's funny about a narcissist. Have fun being right your whole life while other people laugh at you.

The notion that starting Orton was a money based decision naturally leads to the conclusion that benching Orton was also money based. I don't know this. I may be wrong. But the reasoning is sound. Continuing to play a listless Orton was going to lose Bowlen a lot of money and the trust and goodwill of the fans. It's completely plausible. And it's pure speculation. It was never stated as anything else.

But the narcissist comment...yeah that made me laugh...

Doggcow
10-10-2011, 01:42 AM
It is a style of play issue. When your linemen don't know where you will be most of the time you will get whacked more often. When you refuse to take the sack and extend the play you will get whacked more often. When you move left to right in the pocket a lot you will find yourself with some uncomfortable landings.

Yeah because QB's never get drilled inside the pocket...

I see more "ouch" hits inside the pocket than I do outside of it each week. Especially those blindsides that turn into Fumble-Returned-For-TD, or the DTackle just eating a QB up when he beasts the middle.

I think for every hit you take outside the pocket extending a play, you'd take 3 or 4 hits inside the pocket as well... How do you not get that? If you DON'T extend the play from the pocket, YOU'RE GETTING HIT.

cutthemdown
10-10-2011, 01:47 AM
The notion that starting Orton was a money based decision naturally leads to the conclusion that benching Orton was also money based. I don't know this. I may be wrong. But the reasoning is sound. Continuing to play a listless Orton was going to lose Bowlen a lot of money and the trust and goodwill of the fans. It's completely plausible. And it's pure speculation. It was never stated as anything else.

But the narcissist comment...yeah that made me laugh...

I'm a funny guy.

Agamemnon
10-10-2011, 01:49 AM
Yeah because QB's never get drilled inside the pocket...

I see more "ouch" hits inside the pocket than I do outside of it each week. Especially those blindsides that turn into Fumble-Returned-For-TD, or the DTackle just eating a QB up when he beasts the middle.

I think for every hit you take outside the pocket extending a play, you'd take 3 or 4 hits inside the pocket as well... How do you not get that? If you DON'T extend the play from the pocket, YOU'RE GETTING HIT.

I would assume he's thinking of the ideal pocket passer that has an ultra fast release and incredible speed at reading defenses. Those guys don't take too many hits if they're line is any good at all. Too bad only one or two of those are in the league at any one time. The rest take a lot of hits...

fontaine
10-10-2011, 03:39 AM
I'm glad we're over the Orton issue now.

Finally the team can start moving ahead and the staff/FO/coaches/players get behind Tim and put him in the best possible position to win.

Yes, he's got flaws and issues to work on but in the 4th quarter with the game on the line this young kid was one of the few that was pumped up on the sidelines and absolutely wanted the ball in his hands. THAT'S the kind of player I want leading this team. The kind of player that wants the ball in those big time situations, in pressure drives.

We've had enough QBs that shy away and cave under that pressure. It's about time we got a gamer in who will makes defenses think twice about stacking the box, and blitzing at will.

Good luck to Tim, go broncos.

55CrushEm
10-10-2011, 06:30 AM
Yeah because QB's never get drilled inside the pocket...

I see more "ouch" hits inside the pocket than I do outside of it each week. Especially those blindsides that turn into Fumble-Returned-For-TD, or the DTackle just eating a QB up when he beasts the middle.

I think for every hit you take outside the pocket extending a play, you'd take 3 or 4 hits inside the pocket as well... How do you not get that? If you DON'T extend the play from the pocket, YOU'RE GETTING HIT.

This.....I've always questioned the notion that if a QB goes outside the pocket he'll get hurt WORSE. I just don't buy it. The pocket is more confined, with big mofo's falling on knees, etc.....and as mentioned, the BLINDSIDE hits. Outside the pocket, while yes, you can take a big shot.....you (obviously) just have more space.....and that isn't always a bad thing.

oubronco
10-10-2011, 06:33 AM
I'm glad we're over the Orton issue now.

Finally the team can start moving ahead and the staff/FO/coaches/players get behind Tim and put him in the best possible position to win.

Yes, he's got flaws and issues to work on but in the 4th quarter with the game on the line this young kid was one of the few that was pumped up on the sidelines and absolutely wanted the ball in his hands. THAT'S the kind of player I want leading this team. The kind of player that wants the ball in those big time situations, in pressure drives.

We've had enough QBs that shy away and cave under that pressure. It's about time we got a gamer in who will makes defenses think twice about stacking the box, and blitzing at will.

Good luck to Tim, go broncos.

I agree wholeheartedly

deltbucs
10-10-2011, 07:20 AM
4 completions in an entire half of football?! BWAHAHAHHA!

55CrushEm
10-10-2011, 07:21 AM
4 completions in an entire half of football?! BWAHAHAHHA!

2 TD's in under 7 minutes in the 4th quarter. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

jhns
10-10-2011, 07:22 AM
4 completions in an entire half of football?! BWAHAHAHHA!

Why would a bucs fan troll a Broncos board? I can't even bring myself to care about the bucs or their dumb fans.

deltbucs
10-10-2011, 07:26 AM
2 TD's in under 7 minutes in the 4th quarter. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

I just looked at the box score. Did he really only have 2 completions beyond the line of scrimmage....and those were against a prevent defense?

deltbucs
10-10-2011, 07:28 AM
Why would a bucs fan troll a Broncos board? I can't even bring myself to care about the bucs or their dumb fans.

Yeah....we got absolutely destroyed yesterday, but you didn't see us whining and throwing a hissy fit because we wanted to see our backup QB. I guess we're just a lot more educated of a fan base is all.

jhns
10-10-2011, 07:29 AM
Yeah....we got absolutely destroyed yesterday, but you didn't see us whining and throwing a hissy fit because we wanted to see our backup QB. I guess we're just a lot more educated of a fan base is all.

This response has nothing to do with what I said. You then claim to be educated. I would run some smack but it just wouldn't be fair.

deltbucs
10-10-2011, 07:34 AM
You then claim to be educated. I would run some smack but it just wouldn't be fair.

The old "I know you are, but what am I" smack. Good one!



Yeah....probably best you stay out of this one.

jhns
10-10-2011, 07:39 AM
The old "I know you are, but what am I" smack. Good one!



Yeah....probably best you stay out of this one.

Says the kid that dud it first, as he showed he can't read. Good stuff.

55CrushEm
10-10-2011, 07:39 AM
Why would a bucs fan troll a Broncos board? I can't even bring myself to care about the bucs or their dumb fans.

Because he secretly knows that Tebow is better than Freeman....and is pissed they didn't draft him.

Who knows?

deltbucs
10-10-2011, 07:46 AM
Says the kid that dud it first, as he showed he can't read. Good stuff.

What exactly dud I do first?

jhns
10-10-2011, 07:51 AM
What exactly dud I do first?

From what I can tell, a dude.

deltbucs
10-10-2011, 07:53 AM
From what I can tell, a dude.

Seriously? That's the best response you've got? "You're gay." I overestimated you.

jhns
10-10-2011, 08:07 AM
Seriously? That's the best response you've got? "You're gay." I overestimated you.

Says the little girl that can't read. You are too simple to get real smack.

deltbucs
10-10-2011, 08:11 AM
Says the little girl that can't read. You are too simple to get real smack.

You really stepped it up there with, "You're a girl."

jhns
10-10-2011, 08:25 AM
You really stepped it up there with, "You're a girl."

I'm sorry I can't keep up with your brilliant cry like a baby smack. It is hard to be creative when the other side has nothing.

deltbucs
10-10-2011, 08:28 AM
I'm sorry I can't keep up

This much is clear. It's probably best you just back away from the thread.

jhns
10-10-2011, 08:30 AM
This much is clear. It's probably best you just back away from the thread.

It would have been a fair fight if you had an education. It is sad to see that buc fans are this slow.

deltbucs
10-10-2011, 08:39 AM
Because "you're gay" is better? Can you two infants take it to another room. If you are so educated you probably understand that being gay (whether you mean very happy or homosexual) has very little to do with having football or any kind of knowledge.


The "You're gay" smack was also your fellow Bronco/Tearbow fan. He also came with the, "I know you are, but what am I."

deltbucs
10-10-2011, 08:40 AM
It would have been a fair fight if you had an education. It is sad to see that buc fans are this slow.

You can't be slow enough to believe that this is going well for you.

jhns
10-10-2011, 08:40 AM
Because "you're gay" is better? Can you two infants take it to another room. If you are so educated you probably understand that being gay (whether you mean very happy or homosexual) has very little to do with having football or any kind of knowledge.

Tebow sparked the team, that's why we are all happy. Does he need to improve in some areas, of course, but it was time for a change. Orton has shown us everything he can, both good and bad and he's not the answer. Tebow may not be either, but now both the fans and the organization can find that out.

You are gay.

jhns
10-10-2011, 08:41 AM
You can't be slow enough to believe that this is going well for you.

What? Laughing at your stupidity?

Eldorado
10-10-2011, 08:42 AM
You are gay.

You can't be slow enough to believe that this is going well for you.

You both look stupid, FYI.

jhns
10-10-2011, 08:43 AM
The "You're gay" smack was also your fellow Bronco/Tearbow fan. He also came with the, "I know you are, but what am I."

You still haven't figured out that you were the first to use the "I know you are!" Smack? Of course not. Bucs fan can't read. I would be surprised if you made it out of the third grade.

jhns
10-10-2011, 08:44 AM
You both look stupid, FYI.

You are gayest.

deltbucs
10-10-2011, 08:48 AM
I would be surprised if you made it out of the third grade.

Is this really the sort of thing that flies for "smack" around here?

jhns
10-10-2011, 08:49 AM
Is this really the sort of thing that flies for "smack" around here?

Is this the best smack you have? It is pretty sad.

jhns
10-10-2011, 08:51 AM
So, you respond in kind? He did it so you react the same? No offense but that's not a justification and just because he and I post on the same board doesn't mean I agree with his approach and if I can I try to rise above it. But that could be just because I am a girl. :curtsey:

Welcome to the Mane, Bucs fan, no doubt you will meet all sorts of characters on this board, but most people are all right, though we do have our fair share of jackholes who you will sort out on your own I am sure and you may, for all I know, fall into that category.

I am going to see the Bucs play Chicago in London this month. Kind of hope you guys win because I am still sore about Jay leaving. Couldn't be any worse than watching my boys lose to the effin 49ers last year at Wembley.

Anyway, have fun, try not to be an ass like Bobo. ;D

You know how I know you are gay? You are trying to be rational with a bucs fan that is trolling a Bronco board(and I still can't figure out how this makes sense).

KO5K
10-10-2011, 08:52 AM
You can't be slow enough to believe that this is going well for you.

http://s3.postimage.org/8g7z9wa3s/dfghg.jpg

LOL

epicSocialism4tw
10-10-2011, 01:46 PM
Tebow's so polarizing that he brings in trolls from completely unrelated fanbases. Ha!

Agamemnon
10-10-2011, 10:09 PM
Tebow's so polarizing that he brings in trolls from completely unrelated fanbases. Ha!

Seriously what the hell is a Bucs fan doing on these boards? Tebow really does bring out the hate in some people for some reason...

Punisher
10-10-2011, 10:43 PM
We select Luck sign Orton and trade tebow