Cain Pegs the Ahole O Meter

[Rohirrim]

Obviously, this ahole has no intention of winning any elections. He's just drumming up some crazy talk to sell his book and his radio show. This is why the Right is going down. They can't shake the crazy ass Limbaugh/Coulter fringe dialogue that drives independents away.

"Don't blame Wall Street," Cain said. "Don't blame the big banks. If you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/05/cain-not-rich-no-job-blame-yourself/?hpt=hp_t2

What we need now are people who can actually deal with complex issues, not those who's only ability is to come up with catchy sound bites for the stupid. Will the Right ever drop this love affair it has with jerking the chains of the ignorant to get elected, and instead begin to take governance seriously?

[alkemical]

Ro~ - Unfortunately, catchy sound bytes is exactly what is nom-able for a large part of of Americans.

[baja]

What's sad to me is people think they have a choice under the status quote political system that has been completely coop'ed by the globalist bankers

[alkemical]

What's sad to me is people think they have a choice under the status quote political system that has been completely coop'ed by the globalist bankers

Well, not just Bankers - but the Multi-nationalist corporations too.

[baja]

Well, not just Bankers - but the Multi-nationalist corporations too.

Yes let's just use the word Globalists from now on.

[alkemical]

Yes let's just use the word Globalists from now on.

http://www.gregpalast.com/sell-the-lexus-burn-the-olive-treernglobalization-and-its-discontents/


Friedman is talking -- figuratively, of course -- about the latest economic fashion, "tailored by Margaret Thatcher." Ronald Reagan, he adds, "sewed on the buttons." There are about a dozen specific steps, but the key ones are: cut government, cut the budgets and bureaucracies and the rules they make; privatize just about everything; deregulate currency and capital markets, free the banks to speculate in currency and shift capital across borders. But don't stop there. Open every nation's industry to foreign trade, eliminate those stodgy old tariffs and welcome foreign ownership without limit; wipe away national border barriers to commerce; let the market set prices on everything from electricity to water; and let the arbitrageurs direct our investments. Then haul those old government bureaucracies to the guillotine: cut public pensions, cut welfare, cut subsidies; let politics shrink and let the marketplace guide us.

Selling these rules is easy work, he said and grinned, as there is no dissent. Yes, there were tree-hugging troublemakers demonstrating in Seattle. But as Britain's prime minister Tony Blair said, "People who indulge in the protests are completely misguided. World trade is good for people's jobs and people's living standards. These protests are a complete outrage."

But let's forgive youth its lack of sophistication. What the kids in the street didn't know is that history's over with, done, kaput! Friedman tells us: "The historical debate is over. The answer is free-market capitalism." And whether Republicans or Democrats, Tories or New Labour, Socialists or Christian Democrats, we're all signed on, we're all laced up in our straitjackets, merely quibbling about the sleeve length.

I was about to say, "Strap me in." But then I received this note -- an e-mail -- from Cochabamba, Bolivia. It was about Oscar Olivera, a community leader I knew through my work with Latin American labor unions. It said: Close to 1,000 heavily armed members of the Bolivian security forces dispersed peaceful marchers with tear gas, beating them and confiscating their personal possessions. What was the problem? Maybe the Internet was down and the Bolivians were protesting that they couldn't unload their Amazon.com shares.

The message ended: "Oscar is missing. His whereabouts are unknown." Didn't Oscar know that he was 'connected and enabled'?

This reminded me that a large cache of documents had recently fallen into my hands. They came from the deepest files of the World Bank and International Monetary Fund, from the desk drawers of officials at the European Commission and the World Trade Organization: Country Assistance Strategies, an Article 133 diplomatic letter, memos from the secretariats -- the real stuff of globalization -- from inside the organizations that dream up, then dictate, the terms of the new international economics.

There was nothing here about Eskimos on cell phones, but I did find an awful lot about cutting Argentine pensions by 13 percent, breaking up unions in Brazil . . . and raising water prices in Bolivia, all laid out in chilling techno-speak and stamped 'for official use only.'

The spiky-haired protesters in the streets of Seattle believe there's some kind of grand conspiracy between the corporate powers, the IMF, the World Bank and an alphabet soup of agencies that work to suck the blood of Bolivians and steal gold from Tanzania. But the tree huggers are wrong; the details are far more stomach-churning than they even imagine. In March 2001, when Ecuador's government raised the price of cooking gas and hungry Indians burned the capital, I was reading the World Bank's confi-dential plan issued months before. The bank, with the IMF, had directed this 80 percent increase in the price of domestic fuel, knowing this could set the nation ablaze. It's as if the riots were scheduled right into the plan.

And they were. That's according to one of the only inside sources I can name -- Joseph Stiglitz, former chief economist of the World Bank. "We called them the IMF riots." The riots as well as the response were programmed, the latter referred to euphemistically as 'resolve' -- the police, the tanks, the crackdown.


when was this written:

Sunday, June 5, 2005

[Pony Boy]

What we need now are people who can actually deal with complex issues, not those who's only ability is to come up with catchy sound bites for the stupid. Will the Right ever drop this love affair it has with jerking the chains of the ignorant to get elected, and instead begin to take governance seriously?

Are you talking about stupid sound bites like "put on your marching shoes" ......LOL

[Smiling Assassin27]

Yes, people around here like to be told that others determine their fate and that it's not their fault they're not where they could/should be. If there's one guy who can speak from experience about sacking up and succeeding, it's Cain. If Mittens came out and said this, he'd be laughed out of the room. But Cain comes from Atlanta where I'm sure his family dealt with the institutional racism of Southern Democrats every single day. His dad worked not one or two, but three jobs.

God forbid someone actually takes his words to heart. Instead, people hear those words and play the 'but for the man holding me down' card. Listen to the guy, he knows what he's talking about. Hell, Obama claims the US has gotten 'soft' and nobody bats an eyelash. So Cain just lost the smelly, hippie vote. Big deal.

By the way, when somebody sees a person of color at any of these ridiculous protests, please call Andrea Mitchell so she can finish up her story on TEA party racism.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Obviously, this ahole has no intention of winning any elections. He's just drumming up some crazy talk to sell his book and his radio show. This is why the Right is going down. They can't shake the crazy ass Limbaugh/Coulter fringe dialogue that drives independents away.

"Don't blame Wall Street," Cain said. "Don't blame the big banks. If you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/05/cain-not-rich-no-job-blame-yourself/?hpt=hp_t2

What we need now are people who can actually deal with complex issues, not those who's only ability is to come up with catchy sound bites for the stupid. Will the Right ever drop this love affair it has with jerking the chains of the ignorant to get elected, and instead begin to take governance seriously?

Cain is absolutely right, and everyone knows it.

Wusses who can't handle straight talk need to leave the issues to the people who can handle them. Step aside Rohirrim and let the adults handle this.

[Rohirrim]

http://www.gregpalast.com/sell-the-lexus-burn-the-olive-treernglobalization-and-its-discontents/





when was this written:

Sunday, June 5, 2005

Good read. I like the final sentence: I took away from my talks with the professor that the solution to world poverty and crisis is simple: Remove the bloodsuckers.

[Rohirrim]

Cain is absolutely right, and everyone knows it.

Wusses who can't handle straight talk need to leave the issues to the people who can handle them. Step aside Rohirrim and let the adults handle this.

Speaking of dogmatic blindness...

[epicSocialism4tw]

Cain and Obama are opposites.

Obama was born to political radicals and raised for politics. He only had a real job once in his life, and he left it quickly to become a community organizer.

Cain was born into poverty and rose to greatness on the merits of his own work. The guy's first job out of college was as a rocket scientist for crying out loud. This guy is much more intelligent than Obama.

Cain is bonafide here. You're talking about someone who made a life for himself during times of real racial tension in the most racially tense parts of the country and managed to become a leader of all men and a provider of work for thousands.

[TonyR]

This nails the main reason Cain is currently relevant. Will be interesting to see if it lasts.


Republican moneymen and pundits are starting to flock to the Mitt Romney banner, sending forth the word that it is time to bow to the inevitable. But the Republican voters just do not like Mitt Romney. The depth the of the base's resistance to falling in behind next-in-line Romney has continuously shocked observers, resulting first in the rise of Donald Trump, then Michele Bachmann, then Rick Perry. Now Perry is swooning, and his support has gone to ... Herman Cain! In the latest Washington Post poll, Perry's support has halved over the last month, but Romney remains stuck at 25 percent. Cain has risen to 16 percent. The new CBS poll has Cain tied, at 17 percent, for first place with Romney. PPP polled Republicans in North Carolina, Nebraska, and West Virginia, and found Cain leading in all three states...I don't see how Republicans could be making this any more plain. They do not want to nominate Mitt Romney.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/they_dont_like_you_mitt_they_r.html

[TonyR]

Cain was born into poverty and rose to greatness on the merits of his own work.

LOL So, Obama didn't work hard to get into Harvard law and graduate magna cum laude? And then, you know, getting elected as the POTUS doesn't require any hard work or anything... Hilarious!

Your takes get more ridiculous every day. Seriously, look at what you just said here!

[Rohirrim]

Cain and Obama are opposites.

Obama was born to political radicals and raised for politics. He only had a real job once in his life, and he left it quickly to become a community organizer.

Cain was born into poverty and rose to greatness on the merits of his own work. The guy's first job out of college was as a rocket scientist for crying out loud. This guy is much more intelligent than Obama.

Cain is bonafide here. You're talking about someone who made a life for himself during times of real racial tension in the most racially tense parts of the country and managed to become a leader of all men and a provider of work for thousands.

Cain is just another Palin. In other words, a self-promoter. He's not running for president. He's selling books and radio audience share. He knows that suckers like you will line up and respond like carp to a shiny lure.

[Garcia Bronco]

"Don't blame Wall Street," Cain said. "Don't blame the big banks. If you don't have a job and you're not rich, blame yourself."


Amen

[epicSocialism4tw]

So, Obama didn't work hard to get into Harvard law and graduate magna cum laude? And then, you know, getting elected as the POTUS doesn't require any hard work or anything... Hilarious!

Your takes get more ridiculous every day. Seriously, look at what you just said here!

Obama is a silver spoon baby who has been ushered through life in the left wing world of entitlements.

Cain raised himself from poverty to greatness.

Cain is such a better man that they arent even comparable.

[TonyR]

Obama is a silver spoon baby who has been ushered through life in the left wing world of entitlements.

Born to a father who basically abandoned him and raised by his grandparents? That's "silver spoon"? And he only got into Harvard Law and did so well because of "entitlements"? Can you explain your thinking here?

[Rigs11]

the righties around here will probably have to change their cain avatars as soon as the new polls come out.what a moronic thing to say.hopefully the dems hammer him on this.

[Rohirrim]

I believe most independents will judge Cain's comments above to be simply mean-spirited. People are getting real tired of the just plain meanness of the Right. They know that many in our country are suffering right now through no fault of their own and instead of a hand up, the Right Wing is offering the American people a dogmatic beat down.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I believe most independents will judge Cain's comments above to be simply mean-spirited. People are getting real tired of the just plain meanness of the Right. They know that many in our country are suffering right now through no fault of their own and instead of a hand up, the Right Wing is offering the American people a dogmatic beat down.

You wouldnt know the mind of the independent. You're so far left that you cant make a right turn.

[Rigs11]

I believe most independents will judge Cain's comments above to be simply mean-spirited. People are getting real tired of the just plain meanness of the Right. They know that many in our country are suffering right now through no fault of their own and instead of a hand up, the Right Wing is offering the American people a dogmatic beat down.

yep there are people that had worked at companies for years that lost their jobs.the GOP wants to cut education, cut heating for the poor.they are real humanitarians.Hilarious!

[Rohirrim]

You wouldnt know the mind of the independent. You're so far left that you cant make a right turn.

Watch and learn, young padawan.

[BroncoInferno]

You wouldnt know the mind of the independent.

And you do? Hilarious! Thigh-slapper of the day courtesy of the lunatic fringe.

[Smiling Assassin27]

I believe most independents will judge Cain's comments above to be simply mean-spirited. People are getting real tired of the just plain meanness of the Right. They know that many in our country are suffering right now through no fault of their own and instead of a hand up, the Right Wing is offering the American people a dogmatic beat down.

You confuse 'mean' with 'tough love'. We've got a president that's an enabler--virtually driving the car off the cliff himself while telling us all it's the rich's fault. That's mean. Cain has credibility and has chosen not to enable this sickness but shoot straight. That's far from mean, it's called leadership.

I don't know if you have kids or not, but enabling a kid who's fallen into heroine addiction is 'mean', it ain't love or leadership. Holding up a mirror for him to see what he's become and will become, and then helping him help himself is.

[Rohirrim]

You confuse 'mean' with 'tough love'. We've got a president that's an enabler--virtually driving the car off the cliff himself while telling us all it's the rich's fault. That's mean. Cain has credibility and has chosen not to enable this sickness but shoot straight. That's far from mean, it's called leadership.

I don't know if you have kids or not, but enabling a kid who's fallen into heroine addiction is 'mean', it ain't love or leadership. Holding up a mirror for him to see what he's become and will become, and then helping him help himself is.

Talk about logical fallacy. You're doing some real backflips there to support your dogma. What Cain is saying is that if you are out of work it's your own fault. That is a blatant lie. Millions in this country are out of work because of economic forces beyond their control. To attack them as lazy is pure mean.

[Garcia Bronco]

What Cain is saying is that if you are out of work it's your own fault.

One might lose a job for those reasons out of their control. It's happened to me 3 times in 10 years, but to be out of work past 90 days is a problem with the self. So Herman is right.

[TonyR]

...while telling us all it's the rich's fault. That's mean...

LOL Oh, yes, of course! The poor, put upon rich!!! Hilarious!

[Rigs11]

so since cain says that it's the peoples fault for not being able to get a job, and many righties around here support that notion, will they then stop blaming obama for the lack of jobs, high unemployment rate, and stop screaming about raising taxes on corps to create jobs?repent righties!Hilarious!

[TonyR]

If the conservative party lacks a deep bench of promising leaders, the fault belongs first to its un-visionary leadership class (both in the party and in the think tanks and activist groups), but also with GOP voters, who think it’s adequate, even salutary, to keep doing what we did in the past, but hoping that it works this time.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/2011/10/05/gop-leadership-failure/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=gop-leadership-failure

[Rohirrim]

Cain is 66. That means he grew up in a world flush with the benefits of progressive governance in infrastructure, education, health care, etc. And now he says that **** doesn't work and nobody else should get those same kinds of benefits he enjoyed.

The worst kind of stinking hypocrite.

[Rohirrim]

If the conservative party lacks a deep bench of promising leaders, the fault belongs first to its un-visionary leadership class (both in the party and in the think tanks and activist groups), but also with GOP voters, who think it’s adequate, even salutary, to keep doing what we did in the past, but hoping that it works this time.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/2011/10/05/gop-leadership-failure/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=gop-leadership-failure


After the 2008 defeat, and the ruins of the Bush Administration, I, like many people, was completely confident that there would be a Great Rethinking on the Right, even within the GOP. We were wrong. The GOP simply doubled down, more or less, on the policies that failed before, and have counted on opposition to Obama to carry them.

Damn! That's some refreshing honesty.

[TonyR]

Damn! That's some refreshing honesty.

Yes, there are some on the right who are waking up. Unfortunately too little and too late. And as long as the right wing propaganda machine (Fox News, right wing radio, etc.) keeps successfully profit seeking off the anger, ignorance and gullibility of the conservative base this will continue.

[DenverBrit]

One might lose a job for those reasons out of their control. It's happened to me 3 times in 10 years, but to be out of work past 90 days is a problem with the self. So Herman is right.

Are you serious?? There are 14 million jobs that are looking for people??

Then Obama has performed a miracle. Ha!

[Garcia Bronco]

Are you serious?? There are 14 million jobs that are looking for people??

Then Obama has performed a miracle. Ha!

It's not Obama's job to provide jobs or create jobs. It's congress' job to provide and environment where business can flourish.

There are plenty of jobs out there. I walked out of my job last year and had a fulltime job with a different company 1 week later making 15 percent more money and better benfits. I am one person though and it's unfair to compare me to the population at large. I am in the top 10 percent in education and skillset.

Our economy has shed jobs that technology replaced a decade ago. However, there are jobs out there.

Where the Government has failed IMO is to keep supporting people out of work who's UE benefits out weigh or break even on the income they can get from an actual job. Take away the benefits and they'll start working again. The ultimate problem is that some number of these people feel they are too good to work the jobs that are available. That's a problem with the self.

[Garcia Bronco]

Cain is 66. That means he grew up in a world flush with the benefits of progressive governance in infrastructure, education, health care, etc.

Please elaborate.

[DenverBrit]

It's not Obama's job to provide jobs or create jobs. It's congress' job to provide and environment where business can flourish.

There are plenty of jobs out there. I walked out of my job last year and had a fulltime job with a different company 1 week later making 15 percent more money and better benfits. I am one person though.

Our economy has shed jobs that technology replaced a decade ago. However, there are jobs out there.

Where the Government has failed IMO is to keep supporting people out of work who's UE benefits out weigh or break even on the income they can get from an actual job. Take away the benefits and they'll start working again. The ultimate problem is that some number of these people feel they are too good to work the jobs that are available. That's a problem with the self.

There are always some jobs available, but to claim everyone should be able to find a job within 90 days is just comical.

There are serious unemployment issues, just because you found a job, congrats btw, doesn't mean that there are not millions facing staggering unemployment.

[TonyR]

There are plenty of jobs out there.

Simply not true. I know successful, educated people who have lost their jobs and have been looking for work that not only can't find jobs but can't even get interviews. Yes this varies from region to region and industry to industry but the job market in general is terrible. A woman I know just found a job last week on her own but told me she had two head hunters working for her since June and neither of them ever managed to get her an interview. And these are people who make their living finding jobs for other people! I have another friend whose wife has literally had 1 interview in about six months of job hunting. This is a woman with an MBA, CPA, and several years of solid experience. Don't assume your situation is similar to everyone else's. These are people who have kids to feed and mortgages to pay. It's tough out there.

[baja]

Simply not true. I know successful, educated people who have lost their jobs and have been looking for work that not only can't find jobs but can't even get interviews. Yes this varies from region to region and industry to industry but the job market in general is terrible. A woman I know just found a job last week on her own but told me she had two head hunters working for her since June and neither of them ever managed to get her an interview. And these are people who make their living finding jobs for other people! I have another friend whose wife has literally had 1 interview in about six months of job hunting. This is a woman with an MBA, CPA, and several years of solid experience. Don't assume your situation is similar to everyone else's. These are people who have kids to feed and mortgages to pay. It's tough out there.


Ya unemployment sitting at 20% in real numbers and Garcia says it's their fault.

So 1/5 of all working age Americans are lazy slobs what does that say about the so called greatest working force on the planet.

[epicSocialism4tw]

You confuse 'mean' with 'tough love'. We've got a president that's an enabler--virtually driving the car off the cliff himself while telling us all it's the rich's fault. That's mean. Cain has credibility and has chosen not to enable this sickness but shoot straight. That's far from mean, it's called leadership.

I don't know if you have kids or not, but enabling a kid who's fallen into heroine addiction is 'mean', it ain't love or leadership. Holding up a mirror for him to see what he's become and will become, and then helping him help himself is.

This country has been so far away from leadership for so long that it doesn't have any idea what it looks like.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Cain is 66. That means he grew up in a world flush with the benefits of progressive governance in infrastructure, education, health care, etc. And now he says that **** doesn't work and nobody else should get those same kinds of benefits he enjoyed.

The worst kind of stinking hypocrite.

^ Quit sniffing glue.

[ghwk]

Cain and Obama are opposites.

Obama was born to political radicals and raised for politics. He only had a real job once in his life, and he left it quickly to become a community organizer.

Cain was born into poverty and rose to greatness on the merits of his own work. The guy's first job out of college was as a rocket scientist for crying out loud. This guy is much more intelligent than Obama.

Cain is bonafide here. You're talking about someone who made a life for himself during times of real racial tension in the most racially tense parts of the country and managed to become a leader of all men and a provider of work for thousands.

Geezus yours and UltimateBozo's inflammatory rhetoric have really pegged the nutmeter recently. Gaff looks normal compared to you guys.

[Rohirrim]

Geezus yours and UltimateBozo's inflammatory rhetoric have really pegged the nutmeter recently. Gaff looks normal compared to you guys.

I think it's a bad case of Beckheimer's (listen to Glenn Beck for too long and your brain begins to dissolve).

[baja]

Go here for the truth;

www.prisonplanet.tv

[ghwk]

It's not Obama's job to provide jobs or create jobs. It's congress' job to provide and environment where business can flourish.

There are plenty of jobs out there. I walked out of my job last year and had a fulltime job with a different company 1 week later making 15 percent more money and better benfits. I am one person though and it's unfair to compare me to the population at large. I am in the top 10 percent in education and skillset.

Our economy has shed jobs that technology replaced a decade ago. However, there are jobs out there.

Where the Government has failed IMO is to keep supporting people out of work who's UE benefits out weigh or break even on the income they can get from an actual job. Take away the benefits and they'll start working again. The ultimate problem is that some number of these people feel they are too good to work the jobs that are available. That's a problem with the self.

Then why did you make that exact comparison and say that for anyone out of work it's their own fault?

[Requiem]

Herman Cain also believes that individual communities have the right to ban mosques. He is an idiot.

[baja]

Cain, the new Palin

[Requiem]

He should have changed Godfather Pizza's ****ty crust when he was CEO.

[Rohirrim]

He should have changed Godfather Pizza's ****ty crust when he was CEO.

:spit: No ****. That's got to be the worst damn pizza ever made.

[baja]

:spit: No ****. That's got to be the worst damn pizza ever made.

Great name though....

[Requiem]

:spit: No ****. That's got to be the worst damn pizza ever made.

Terrible crust, sauce that tastes like it came out of a can, and cheese with leather texture. A recipe for disaster. It looks better after it foams from my ass than it does prior.

[baja]

Terrible crust, sauce that tastes like it came out of a can, and cheese with leather texture. A recipe for disaster. It looks better after it foams from my ass than it does prior.

So even though you know it's toxic garbage you still eat it. Good plan to recover your health...

[Requiem]

So even though you know it's toxic garbage you still eat it. Good plan to recover your health...

Haven't had Godfather's Pizza since my grandma's birthday in 2010. She happens to like it. Just saying how it tastes of experience. If I want to eat pizza, I'll make my own.

[Rigs11]

^ Quit sniffing glue.

are you brainwashed like cain said? Hilarious!

[baja]

Haven't had Godfather's Pizza since my grandma's birthday in 2010. She happens to like it. Just saying how it tastes of experience. If I want to eat pizza, I'll make my own.

I'll ignore the recent herd mentality insults from you and give you a real way to cleanse your kidneys

Hulda Clark's "Cure for all Disease."

http://www.amazon.com/Cure-Diseases-Hulda-Regehr-Clark/dp/1890035017

[Requiem]

I'll ignore the recent herd mentality insults from you and give you a real way to cleanse your kidneys

Hulda Clark's "Cure for all Disease."

http://www.amazon.com/Cure-Diseases-Hulda-Regehr-Clark/dp/1890035017

I'm doing well right now. Moving to the mountains certainly helped me. Thanks.

[Spider]

Born to a father who basically abandoned him and raised by his grandparents? That's "silver spoon"? And he only got into Harvard Law and did so well because of "entitlements"? Can you explain your thinking here?

ROFL!epic think.............Hilarious!

[Rigs11]

I hope this guy keeps talking.

GOP candidate Herman Cain calls Occupy Wall Street protestors 'un-American'

http://www.9news.com/news/article/223226/188/GOP-candidate-Cain-calls-Wall-Street-protestors-un-American

[DenverBrit]

Un-American?? LOL

What IS un-American, and un-Democratic, is to stay home and keep silent.

[baja]

Stupid uncle tom

[lonestar]

Ro~ - Unfortunately, catchy sound bytes is exactly what is nom-able for a large part of of Americans.

just how that moron that won the white house did .. "Hope and Change"

talk about catchy sound bites..

[Spider]

just how that moron that won the white house did .. "Hope and Change"

talk about catchy sound bites..

no genius , he won cause of who the republicans put up against him ....

[Garcia Bronco]

Then why did you make that exact comparison and say that for anyone out of work it's their own fault?

What do you mean? I earned those things. I didn't obtain or do anything that the large majority cannot do.

[barryr]

Cain needs pointers on how to be a "real black man" by white, emasculated liberal males(can't call them men) who never socialize with black people.

[TonyR]

Oh, man, check out the direction the righties are headed with this now. Cringeworthy stuff.


"What happens when individuals get pushed into positions, or elevated to positions for which they're not qualified? We've talked about this a lot. This is a problem with affirmative action, is that people get pushed, pushed, pushed farther than their abilities can match the position, and then they just keep failing ... And what happened with Obama is that he gets this job that he's not qualified for. ... And guess who pays the price? All of us. Because we had such a yearning for history. Well I have a question. Herman Cain, if he became president, he would be the first black president, when you measure it by -- because he doesn't -- does he have a white mother, white father, grandparents, no, right? So Herman Cain, he could say that he's -- he's -- he's the first, uh -- he could make the claim to be the first -- yeah, the first Main Street black Republican to be the president of the United States. Right? He's historic too," - Laura Ingraham.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201110050020


Taken directly from the poisonous waters of right wing radio.

[Rohirrim]

Any minute now, I expect the drama llama to launch a new thread agreeing with Laura's take.

[TonyR]

Over the past couple of weeks, many of Rick Perry's supporters have jumped ship and climbed aboard the life raft Herman Cain. It's a warm, welcoming place, with an easy-to-grasp tax plan and all the hot, greasy pizza your stomach can handle. Now Cain, who had been cruising along for months with poll numbers in the low- to mid-single digits, is tussling with Rick Perry for the race's number two position. He even tied Mitt Romney for the lead in one recent poll. And yet, as both the Times and The Wall Street Journal report today, Cain's October schedule revolves more around selling his new book than selling his candidacy.
The Times, noting that "19 of the 31 days of October are blank" on Cain's public campaign calender, wonders whether Cain "has any particular plan to seize this moment, beyond using the attention to sell books." He's not, for example, spending a lot of time in key primary states like New Hampshire.

“No candidate can afford to spend two or three weeks not being in New Hampshire this year,” said Steve Duprey, a Republican National Committee member from the state. “He has not made as much progress organizing in New Hampshire as he could have, but there’s time.”


The Wall Street Journal adds that the book tour has only amplified the concerns of former staffers who left the campaign over doubts about Cain's seriousness:

"Organization was a real challenge," [former Cain New Hampshire campaign director Matt] Murphy said. "New Hampshire is an ideal state for a candidate like him without a lot of name recognition or money for advertising. But his strategy has seemed more like a national campaign than a targeted, state-by-state local one."

Mr. Cain's latest book tour has raised those fears anew because it includes stops in states that don't vote early, like his coming visit to a Costco in suburban Virginia. The Cain campaign didn't respond to requests for comment on the criticism.


Now, it could be that Cain's unorthodox schedule is part of some genius campaign strategy. That's Cain's explanation anyway:

When asked why he would launch a book tour while running for the presidential nomination, Mr. Cain said that “the two complement one another” and that the benefits go beyond raising his name recognition among voters — one of his main goals.


More likely, we think, is that Cain never expected to see his campaign become this successful. (Why would he? He's running for the most powerful and influential position in the world based on his experience leading the country's eighth-largest pizza chain). So he figured that at this point in the race, the best he could do is reap whatever monetary benefits would be available to an unviable, third-tier presidential candidate. That Cain is even now sticking to his book tour instead of focusing on early-voting states, despite actually flirting with first place, may indicate that even he knows this moment of his isn't going to last.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/10/herman_cain_book_tour.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nymag%2Fintel+%28Daily+Intell igencer+-+New+York+Magazine%29

[Rohirrim]

More likely, we think, is that Cain never expected to see his campaign become this successful. (Why would he? He's running for the most powerful and influential position in the world based on his experience leading the country's eighth-largest pizza chain).
Hilarious!

[baja]

I can't recall a time in history when America and the world more sorely needed a leader. People are desperate for a leader that is how Obama got elected on a "Change" platform. I hope the next anointed one is the real deal. Closest we have right is Ron Paul IMO.

[Odysseus]

I believe most independents will judge Cain's comments above to be simply mean-spirited. People are getting real tired of the just plain meanness of the Right. They know that many in our country are suffering right now through no fault of their own and instead of a hand up, the Right Wing is offering the American people a dogmatic beat down.

"Let them eat cake." -- Apparently lying, intrigue, and bitter politics are not historically new. Perception, even among the foolish, is reality.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Antoinette

[Rohirrim]

I can't recall a time in history when America and the world more sorely needed a leader. People are desperate for a leader that is how Obama got elected on a "Change" platform. I hope the next anointed one is the real deal. Closest we have right is Ron Paul IMO.

I'm very disappointed in Obama. Look around his office now and what do you see? Goldman Sachs and GE. It's like the ****ing body snatchers. You can't escape. ;D

[baja]

I'm very disappointed in Obama. Look around his office now and what do you see? Goldman Sachs and GE. It's like the ****ing body snatchers. You can't escape. ;D

Obama is an empty suit corporate/wall street stooge. Look how much election money they gave him. Like you say look around his appointees they are the same group as Bush had.

"New boss same as the old boss"

[mosca]

little caesar's $5 hot'n'ready > godfather's pizza

[lonestar]

no genius , he won cause of who the republicans put up against him ....

Boy are you ever sucking on reality..

[lonestar]

Obama is an empty suit corporate/wall street stooge. Look how much election money they gave him. Like you say look around his appointees they are the same group as Bush had.

"New boss same as the old boss"

Add union boss to that list of apointees and money givers..

His three appointments to the NLRB are all ex union officals..

[epicSocialism4tw]

Oh no, the crazy leftist faction of oragemane.com hates Cain. That wasn't surprising? Ha!

Its a good thing that the majority of people in this country disagree with this loony far left faction.

[mosca]

Anyone who disagrees with Llama is immediately painted as a 'crazy leftist'. Get a grip.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Anyone who disagrees with Llama is immediately painted as a 'crazy leftist'. Get a grip.

^ racist.

[TonyR]

Oh no, the crazy leftist faction of oragemane.com hates Cain.

I don't think anyone here "hates" him. But I think a lot of us realize his candidacy is a bit of a joke. The guy is out to make a buck and because the GOP field is so weak he's done better than expected. But Obama, even with the drag of the economy, would crush him in the election. Cain has no political experience and doesn't have the machine that Obama does. If you want to replace Obama you may want to consider backing a different horse. Your support for him is cute but it betrays how little you understand how this all works.

[bowtown]

Any minute now, I expect the drama llama to launch a new thread agreeing with Laura's take.

I'm just shocked he hasn't started calling all liberals and the media racist. You know it's coming.


Edit: LOL Somehow I missed the post two above.

[Rohirrim]

I'm just shocked he hasn't started calling all liberals and the media racist. You know it's coming.


Edit: LOL Somehow I missed the post two above.

It's like having a really stupid dog that you just can't train to stop running into the sliding glass door. Every time he hears the whistle, "Doink? WTF?"

[Arkie]

It's not Obama's job to provide jobs or create jobs. It's congress' job to provide and environment where business can flourish.

There are plenty of jobs out there. I walked out of my job last year and had a fulltime job with a different company 1 week later making 15 percent more money and better benfits. I am one person though and it's unfair to compare me to the population at large. I am in the top 10 percent in education and skillset.

Our economy has shed jobs that technology replaced a decade ago. However, there are jobs out there.

Where the Government has failed IMO is to keep supporting people out of work who's UE benefits out weigh or break even on the income they can get from an actual job. Take away the benefits and they'll start working again. The ultimate problem is that some number of these people feel they are too good to work the jobs that are available. That's a problem with the self.

That is a fact that some people out of work feel they're too good to work other jobs available.

[mosca]

^ racist.
So if you disagree with Llama, you're not only a crazy leftist, but now a racist. You just keep exuding fail by the post.

[Rohirrim]

That is a fact that some people out of work feel they're too good to work other jobs available.

The lack of compassion on the Right turns my stomach.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Obama is a silver spoon baby who has been ushered through life in the<<>>world of entitlements.



This from a Bush worshiper?

Holy crap - busted a gut over that one. ROFL!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That is a fact that some people out of work feel they're too good to work other jobs available.

This may be true of SOME unemployed people, but disingenuous hacks like epicDittoMonkey use this sort of broad brush to paint ALL unemployed people.

[baja]

This may be true of SOME unemployed people, but disingenuous hacks like epicDittoMonkey use this sort of broad brush to paint ALL unemployed people.

I can't wait until this depression comes knocking on their door. Let's see what tune the sing then....

[TonyR]

At a minimum, the Cain plan is a distributional monstrosity. The poor would pay more while the rich would have their taxes cut, with no guarantee that economic growth will increase and good reason to believe that the budget deficit will increase. Even allowing for the poorly thought through promises routinely made on the campaign trail, Mr. Cain’s tax plan stands out as exceptionally ill conceived.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/11/inside-the-cain-tax-plan/

[Odysseus]

The lack of compassion on the Right turns my stomach.

Compassion is a word that needs to be utilized more.

[elsid13]

Compassion is a word that needs to be utilized more.

Something that also needs to be utilized more is listening. To much shouting and not enough talking.

[Fedaykin]

1 job available for every, what, 10 unemployed and the problem is entirely the fault of the unemployed?

Do you guys have even two brain cells to rub together?

[Rohirrim]

I figure if this society is no longer able to and/or no longer cares to create jobs that supply a living wage to the citizens of this country, then any citizen has the moral and ethical right to walk onto federal land anywhere in the country and start a homestead. What should they do, die in the street?

[mosca]

1 job available for every, what, 10 unemployed and the problem is entirely the fault of the unemployed?

Do you guys have even two brain cells to rub together?
They need to stop protesting and get a job, according to some.

[lonestar]

1 job available for every, what, 10 unemployed and the problem is entirely the fault of the unemployed?

Do you guys have even two brain cells to rub together?


lets see does anyone really think it is only BIG business fault there are no jobs..

nobama and his welfare state and the prospects of much higher taxes and "fees" (healthcare enforcement, epa regs, big unions backed by nobama) is what is holding back the economy..

Econ 101 folks give me a reason to expand my business with tax cuts and less interference I'm going to invest more in the future..

with the prospects of a Union as small as ONE person in each work group, more taxes and costs (energy (gas, electricty) heatlh care, etc) to run my business thus less return on my dollar. SOmething that I RISKED to create my business and make more money for my family.. I call male bovine excrement..(MBE)

I'm going to not risk more money from savings that I was smart enough to put away inorder to take a HUGE risk in paying out more for less.

I'm going to park as much of that money as I can in TAX free bonds, gold, silver ETC..

ANd laugh at all of these morons protesting that I do not givve my money away..

When they have started from the bottom and worked their way to the top they will feel better about themselves..

But I susepct they are the ones that grew up and beleived that they were owed something.. like a good socialist or commie would..

[lonestar]

I figure if this society is no longer able to and/or no longer cares to create jobs that supply a living wage to the citizens of this country, then any citizen has the moral and ethical right to walk onto federal land anywhere in the country and start a homestead. What should they do, die in the street?

It is called welfare, I have heard of few IF ANY dying in the streets, at least not from not having a job and being able to work.

Now death on the streets happens, but not because they could not find a job..

You know many of us had two or three jobs to make ends meet.

Many of us did without electronic do dads because we could not afford them, eat a lot of mac and cheese, yet did not take welfare because we had the courage to make it on our own..

I've had jobs from washing cars, delivering news papers and cleaning commodes in my life time to put food on the table.. for as little as $2.95 an hour..

Because of higher expenses and more government regs, I closed my business a few years ago and retired because I could not longer make a profit.

Sorry but no pity from me because these morons have too much dignity to work for minimum wage.. to have two jobs..

might even be some character building for them to have to "work for a living"

[mosca]

When they have started from the bottom and worked their way to the top they will feel better about themselves..
If only that were an accurate description of the Wall Street criminals that have robbed this nation over the course of the last few years.

[lonestar]

The lack of compassion on the Right turns my stomach.

why?

the vast majority of us give till it hurts to VIABLE charities.

Myself, to my Church and its outreach programs.
to the local battered womens shelter
united way
animal shelters
good will
salvation army..

Being over taxed and seeing the money being wasted on pork projects is what make me sick..

[Fedaykin]

lets see does anyone really think it is only BIG business fault there are no jobs..

nobama and his welfare state and the prospects of much higher taxes and "fees" (healthcare enforcement, epa regs, big unions backed by nobama) is what is holding back the economy..

Econ 101 folks give me a reason to expand my business with tax cuts and less interference I'm going to invest more in the future..

with the prospects of a Union as small as ONE person in each work group, more taxes and costs (energy (gas, electricty) heatlh care, etc) to run my business thus less return on my dollar. SOmething that I RISKED to create my business and make more money for my family.. I call male bovine excrement..(MBE)

I'm going to not risk more money from savings that I was smart enough to put away inorder to take a HUGE risk in paying out more for less.

I'm going to park as much of that money as I can in TAX free bonds, gold, silver ETC..

ANd laugh at all of these morons protesting that I do not givve my money away..

When they have started from the bottom and worked their way to the top they will feel better about themselves..

But I susepct they are the ones that grew up and beleived that they were owed something.. like a good socialist or commie would..


Sorry, but you're just another supply-sider idiot. What's holding back the economy is lack of demand driven by a consumer class with a vastly reduced purchasing power.

Businesses can't and won't expand and create new jobs until there's a good god damn reason for them to do so -- like more customers that can buy their goods. Employers in America are sitting on huge and growing cash reserves, and making record profits. They've done what all solid businesses do during a recession -- they batten down the hatches and streamline their business to wait out the storm. Note: "streamline their business" is a euphemism for reducing their largest costs which for most businesses are employees.

Are you seriously claiming you're going to hire new employees with no legitimate reason to do so? You whine about a smaller return on your investment -- yet imply you'd be perfectly willing to **** yourself even more by adding new investment with zero return.

I call bull****. No legit businessman would do that.

[lonestar]

Sorry, but you're just another supply-sider idiot. What's holding back the economy is lack of demand driven by a consumer class with a vastly reduced purchasing power.

Businesses can't and won't expand and create new jobs until there's a good god damn reason for them to do so -- like more customers that can buy their goods. Employers in America are sitting on huge and growing cash reserves, and making record profits. They've done what all solid businesses do during a recession -- they batten down the hatches and streamline their business to wait out the storm. Note: "streamline their business" is a euphemism for reducing their largest costs which for most businesses are employees.

Are you seriously claiming you're going to hire new employees with no legitimate reason to do so? You whine about a smaller return on your investment -- yet imply you'd be perfectly willing to **** yourself even more by adding new investment with zero return.

I call bull****. No legit businessman would do that.



Now maybe your confsuing me with Apple or a really big company but I sunk a ton of money in my business before closing the doors not will to lose more..

and it was all do to higher expenses, as I mentioned.

with the advent of MORE Regulations coming down the road that woulf not have helped Small business but made it harder to make a profit or even break even.. I made the choice to invest in TAX FREE Bonds oppsed to losing money on the investment..

yes I chose to make less but was not willing to do bankruptcy to keep the business open..

Yep call me an idiot..

have you ever done anything to promote jobs or created any? Until you have STFU..

[lonestar]

If only that were an accurate description of the Wall Street criminals that have robbed this nation over the course of the last few years.

Now Wall street criminals I have no love for commodities brokers especailly in the fuels area should be taken out and hung by their huevous. If they had any to start with..

As far as highly paid Execs, well I know that I wanted to be paid for the work I did the profits I made for my stock holders.

Are some over compensated probaly but would rather over pay a few than rune the risk of communal living.. where no one has incentives to be better..

[Spider]

Now maybe your confsuing me with Apple or a really big company but I sunk a ton of money in my business before closing the doors not will to lose more..

and it was all do to higher expenses, as I mentioned.

with the advent of MORE Regulations coming down the road that woulf not have helped Small business but made it harder to make a profit or even break even.. I made the choice to invest in TAX FREE Bonds oppsed to losing money on the investment..

yes I chose to make less but was not willing to do bankruptcy to keep the business open..

Yep call me an idiot..

have you ever done anything to promote jobs or created any? Until you have STFU..

Higher expenses lack of customers go hand in hand right ? let me put it like this , you was incapable of increasing production due to the lack of clientele ,so there for you either didnt promote very well , or your line of work had jumped the shark ...either way you didnt grow your capitol to offset your overhead ....... so yes that makes you an Idiot

[Spider]

oh and before you come off with what have you done to promote jobs , without my line of work , no one has a job ..........

[Requiem]

Higher expenses lack of customers go hand in hand right ? let me put it like this , you was incapable of increasing production due to the lack of clientele ,so there for you either didnt promote very well , or your line of work had jumped the shark ...either way you didnt grow your capitol to offset your overhead ....... so yes that makes you an Idiot

Hilarious! Spider leans in with a right jab. . .

[Fedaykin]

Now maybe your confsuing me with Apple or a really big company but I sunk a ton of money in my business before closing the doors not will to lose more..

and it was all do to higher expenses, as I mentioned.

with the advent of MORE Regulations coming down the road that woulf not have helped Small business but made it harder to make a profit or even break even.. I made the choice to invest in TAX FREE Bonds oppsed to losing money on the investment..

yes I chose to make less but was not willing to do bankruptcy to keep the business open..

Yep call me an idiot..

have you ever done anything to promote jobs or created any? Until you have STFU..

Yes I have. I run a small group that has added 25 new employees (to an original 5) in the last 6 years. While I'd love to claim it's because I'm a great at what I do, the truth is I'm merely pretty good (meaning better than most of the large field of competition we have). Most of our success comes from what we do being in demand backed up by hard work and competency.

It sucks that your business failed -- but had you been competent and been providing something that's in demand you'd be fine.

Finding ways to put more purchasing power in the hand of the consumer class will raise demand for almost everything (and also increase margins!) and will enable businesses (probably even like yours) to grow, add new jobs and be successful.

[TonyR]

...with the advent of MORE Regulations coming down the road...

This article shoots a hole in your regulations/taxes/uncertainty canard.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/95748/republican-regulation-uncertainty-business-data-cantor-mishel-bartlett

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Finding ways to put more purchasing power in the hand of the consumer class will raise demand for almost everything (and also increase margins!) and will enable businesses (probably even like yours) to grow, add new jobs and be successful.

This.

And all it takes is CEOs and Wall St. tight asses giving their workers the same kinds of raises and bonuses they give themselves.

Over the last 30 years, worker productivity has increased while real incomes have stagnated, so those raises are long overdue.

[Odysseus]

Something that also needs to be utilized more is listening. To much shouting and not enough talking.

Apparently the louder you are, the more you post, the larger your font, the more you interrupt, the ruder you are....

I think more than our work ethic has become corrupted.

[lonestar]

Higher expenses lack of customers go hand in hand right ? let me put it like this , you was incapable of increasing production due to the lack of clientele ,so there for you either didnt promote very well , or your line of work had jumped the shark ...either way you didnt grow your capitol to offset your overhead ....... so yes that makes you an Idiot

NO I think not..

The business I had been in business for almost to 30 years, had a great clients some good employees.

Was going well and then 911 hit and destroyed customer confidence as well as the recession that came with it.. My business was based on discretionary income and in my city, it dried up..

Kept pumping money into the office believing that it would turn around..

Growing my capitol had zip to do with 6 years of lousy economy.. only so much in the bank.

And there was no way of diversifying.. Sometimes it is out of your control which this was..




But good try in to place the blame on me..
 

[lonestar]

This article shoots a hole in your regulations/taxes/uncertainty canard.

http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-cohn/95748/republican-regulation-uncertainty-business-data-cantor-mishel-bartlett

Good try, but YOU have no Idea what I was taking about in rules and regs, nor extra taxes .

It was not amtter of uncertainty about them they were coming just did nto know how bad it would be..

and to be frank they were worse than I or my industry leaders thought.

I realize that most of the liberals/progressives in the US and the world for that matter, most have owned a business nor done much but went to school or lived off the government..

[Spider]

NO I think not..

The business I had been in business for almost to 30 years, had a great clients some good employees.

Was going well and then 911 hit and destroyed customer confidence as well as the recession that came with it.. My business was based on discretionary income and in my city, it dried up..

Kept pumping money into the office believing that it would turn around..

Growing my capitol had zip to do with 6 years of lousy economy.. only so much in the bank.

And there was no way of diversifying.. Sometimes it is out of your control which this was..




But good try in to place the blame on me..
 

you are full of shiat ....... sorry but thats the way it is .... you are usin that as a line of excuse

[lonestar]

This.

And all it takes is CEOs and Wall St. tight asses giving their workers the same kinds of raises and bonuses they give themselves.

Over the last 30 years, worker productivity has increased while real incomes have stagnated, so those raises are long overdue.

so those that worked on wall street did not make any money doing so?

Or those fat cat CEOs did not give their employees raises based on productivity?

Perhaps they all did not but I suspect many did.. perhaps not at the same level they got but then most of those below did not have the expertice that they did..

[Fedaykin]

Was going well and then 911 hit and destroyed customer confidence as well as the recession that came with it.. My business was based on discretionary income and in my city, it dried up..


So, you admit your business was destroyed by lack of demand, yet you still cling to the canards of trickle down idiocy and try to blame government regulation for the failure of your business?

[Spider]

well I dont know what kind of business he was in , but a close friend of mine is making his construction company go , and in Casper Wyomin of all places .... and it is dayum hard to even get a trucking job out of that town , One of my Brothers went complete independent , just to keep living there

[lonestar]

for what it is worth I got this in the mail the other day..

Not sure how dated the numbers are as I do know that Brent crude is more like 104.

After two years of Obama ...
Here's your change!

January 2009 TODAY % chg
Source
Avg. Retail price/gallon gas in U.S.
$1.83 $3.44 84%
1
Crude oil, European Brent (barrel)
$43.48 $99.02 127.7% 104.
2
Crude oil, West TX Inter. (barrel)
$38.74 $91.38 135.9%
2
Gold: London (per troy oz.)
$853.25 $1,369.50 60.5%
2
Corn, No.2 yellow, Central IL
$3.56 $6.33 78.1%
2
Soybeans, No. 1 yellow, IL
$9.66 $13.75 42.3%
2
Sugar, cane, raw, world, lb. Fob
$13.37 $35.39 164.7%
2
Unemployment rate, non-farm, overall
7.6% 9.4% 23.7%
3
Unemployment rate, blacks
12.6% 15.8% 25.4%
3
Number of unemployed
11,616,000 14,485,000 24.7%
3
Number of fed. Employees
2,779,000 2,840,000 2.2%
3
Real median household income
$50,112 $49,777 -0.7%
4
Number of food stamp recipients
31,983,716 43,200,878 35.1%
5
Number of unemployment benefit recipients
7,526,598 9,193,838 22.2%
6
Number of long-term unemployed
2,600,000 6,400,000 146.2%
3
Poverty rate, individuals
13.2% 14.3% 8.3%
4
People in poverty in U.S.
39,800,000 43,600,000 9.5%
4
U.S.. Rank in Economic Freedom World Rankings
5 9 n/a
10
Present Situation Index
29.9 23.5 -21.4%
11
Failed banks
140 164 17.1%
12
U.S.. Dollar versus Japanese yen exchange rate
89.76 82.03 -8.6%
2
U.S.. Money supply, M1, in billions
1,575.1 1,865.7 18.4%
13
U.S.. Money supply, M2, in billions
8,310.9 8,852.3 6.5%
13
National debt, in trillions
$10.627 $14.052 32.2%
14
Just take this last item: In the last two years we have accumulated national debt at a rate more than 27 times as fast as during the rest of our entire nation's history. Over 27 times as fast. Metaphorically speaking, if you are driving in the right lane doing 65 MPH and a car rockets past you in the left lane. 27 times faster, it would be doing 7,555 MPH!
Sources:
(1) U.S. Energy Information Administration; (2) Wall Street Journal; (3) Bureau of Labor Statistics; (4) Census Bureau; (5) USDA; (6) U.S. Dept. Of Labor;
(7) FHFA; (8) Standard & Poor's/Case-Shiller; (9) RealtyTrac; (10) Heritage Foundation and WSJ; (11) The Conference Board; (12) FDIC;
(13) Federal Reserve; (14) U.S. Treasury


THE PRESIDENCY
SOME WILL APPRECIATE THIS AND SOME WILL NOT.
HOWEVER, ALL OF IT IS TRUE.


So, tell me again, what is it about Obama that makes him so brilliant and impressive? Can't think of anything? Don't worry. He's done all this in 24 months -- so you'll have one year and ten months to come up with an answer.

have to wonder if Cain would do this bad.. at least he had a real job before being voted into office..

[lonestar]

So, you admit your business was destroyed by lack of demand, yet you still cling to the canards of trickle down idiocy and try to blame government regulation for the failure of your business?

trickle down worked well untill 911 then the economy went to hell.. and regs went through the roof..

Yep that was the major causes of it..

but I suspect EVEN if you knew my business, you would still have your head up your progressive ass.

[W*GS]

9/11's economic effects were minor, local, and negligible on the national scale.

It did not cause a recession.

Bush's wars and prescription drug program, accompanied not by tax increases to pay for them but by tax cuts aimed almost strictly at the top few percent, caused our current recession.

[Spider]

trickle down worked well untill 911 then the economy went to hell.. and regs went through the roof..

Yep that was the major causes of it..

but I suspect EVEN if you knew my business, you would still have your head up your progressive ass.
more excuses , do you think 9-11 and fuel prices had its effect on trucking ?

[Requiem]

trickle down worked well untill 911 then the economy went to hell.. and regs went through the roof..

Yep that was the major causes of it..

but I suspect EVEN if you knew my business, you would still have your head up your progressive ass.

Maybe the harsh reality of it is that you were a poor businessman.

[lonestar]

9/11's economic effects were minor, local, and negligible on the national scale.

It did not cause a recession.

Bush's wars and prescription drug program, accompanied not by tax increases to pay for them but by tax cuts aimed almost strictly at the top few percent, caused our current recession.

Perhaps 911 IN YOUR opinion were minor, but for an Army town, where about 60% of the economy is derived from those that are stationed there. it is catastrophic..

When the families of the men that are being deployed move back "home" all sorts of business that depend on that income dry up and then all the associated businesses start to falter. Placing even more folks out of a job..

But then I lived it perhaps it was good for you, but my government, civilian and school district contracts dried up.. Or better said they cut back to the point of driving me out of business.

El Paso is at least at the time the only city in the US that had an Outback go under because of the lack of business.. Smaller non chain restaurants were dropping like flies.

The economy is decent right now by mainly because of the illegal aliens smuggling and drugs that are transported through here..

Plus Fort Bliss is tripling in size.. Personnel wise..

After 9-11 It took 8-9 years for the economy to gear back up..

So blame it all on Bush when we know he was just in Place when it happened and IIRC those tax increases that were put into effect were done by an almost veto proof congress.. but good try in revisionist history..

[lonestar]

more excuses , do you think 9-11 and fuel prices had its effect on trucking ?

absolutely it desvasted them as well as every one in the food chain beyond them.. can't count the number of surcharges I saw due to fuel..

I'm not excusing a thing, merely pointing out the reasons.

Some things are just beyond a mere mortals control..

[Rohirrim]

absolutely it desvasted them as well as every one in the food chain beyond them.. can't count the number of surcharges I saw due to fuel..

I'm not excusing a thing, merely pointing out the reasons.

Some things are just beyond a mere mortals control..

Which is why America should maintain a safety net for its people.

[DenverBrit]

trickle down worked well untill 911 then the economy went to hell.

Perhaps 911 IN YOUR opinion were minor, but for an Army town, where about 60% of the economy is derived from those that are stationed there. it is catastrophic..

When the families of the men that are being deployed move back "home" all sorts of business that depend on that income dry up and then all the associated businesses start to falter. Placing even more folks out of a job..

Plus Fort Bliss is tripling in size.. Personnel wise..


'Trickle down' from the taxpayer.

[lonestar]

Maybe the harsh reality of it is that you were a poor businessman.

Just maybe I'm not..

Was a manager for 40 of my adult years.. made a profit for all but 5 and those were all after 911 and the recession it spawned at least in my neck of the woods..

I have at least put my money where my mouth was, opposed to living off of mother, welfare and being a student all of my life unlike some..

Dream on, call me when you work for a living..

It is easy to talk MBE (Male Bovine Excrement) when it is not YOUR money your spending.. or handing out..

I have always believed that once idealistic kiddies grow up and pay real taxes and then look at what the MBE it is being spent on, that is when you become more conservative..

That is the moment in life when you start to value things more.. and frankly become less tolerant of those that have their hands out opposed to being a part of the solution..

One of the reasons tha I'd vote for Cain in a heartbeat over any of the other candidates save perhaps Romney as he has worked for a living unlike 98% of the rest of the politicians..

They both know how to run an efficient business..

[TonyR]

...have to wonder if Cain would do this bad.. at least he had a real job before being voted into office..

Obama had almost nothing to do with the numbers in the silly email you received. The POTUS doesn't drive those things. You clearly understand nothing about economics.

[Fedaykin]

Perhaps 911 IN YOUR opinion were minor, but for an Army town, where about 60% of the economy is derived from those that are stationed there. it is catastrophic..

When the families of the men that are being deployed move back "home" all sorts of business that depend on that income dry up and then all the associated businesses start to falter. Placing even more folks out of a job..

But then I lived it perhaps it was good for you, but my government, civilian and school district contracts dried up.. Or better said they cut back to the point of driving me out of business.

El Paso is at least at the time the only city in the US that had an Outback go under because of the lack of business.. Smaller non chain restaurants were dropping like flies.

The economy is decent right now by mainly because of the illegal aliens smuggling and drugs that are transported through here..

Plus Fort Bliss is tripling in size.. Personnel wise..

After 9-11 It took 8-9 years for the economy to gear back up..

So blame it all on Bush when we know he was just in Place when it happened and IIRC those tax increases that were put into effect were done by an almost veto proof congress.. but good try in revisionist history..

So once again we see you complaining about your demand drying up because you made a poor business decision. Relying on a transient population to purchase non-necessities is a really ****ing dumb way to try to run a sustainable business.

[Fedaykin]

One of the reasons tha I'd vote for Cain in a heartbeat over any of the other candidates save perhaps Romney as he has worked for a living unlike 98% of the rest of the politicians..

They both know how to run an efficient business..

Cain made his business (Godfather's) efficient by laying off 50% of his workforce in order to make selling ****ty pizza profitable -- instead of finding a way to sell a product that was more in demand.

I don't blame him for it, it's a valid way to do business -- but it's not the type of thinking that's going to do one damn thing to resolve the current unemployment problem.

[lonestar]

Obama had almost nothing to do with the numbers in the silly email you received. The POTUS doesn't drive those things. You clearly understand nothing about economics.

and you clearly missed the point of the email

HOPE and Change

If you truly beleive he had nothing to do with those numbers, well I hope your impotent and do not pass your genes on to another genreation..

[Requiem]

Cain made his business (Godfather's) efficient by laying off 50% of his workforce in order to make selling ****ty pizza profitable -- instead of finding a way to sell a product that was more in demand.

I don't blame him for it, it's a valid way to do business -- but it's not the type of thinking that's going to do one damn thing to resolve the current unemployment problem.

Some of the worst pizza ever.

[lonestar]

So once again we see you complaining about your demand drying up because you made a poor business decision. Relying on a transient population to purchase non-necessities is a really ****ing dumb way to try to run a sustainable business.

I did very little business with that component of the economy..

as for the most part they had very little discretionary income..
85% of my business mix was with those other business owners, employees of those businesses that did not to mention the HUGE retirement community here in town.

We survived loads of cut backs over the years, losing an armored division, cut backs in the military.

In fact we thrived until 911 and the additional regs that went with it.

Like I said 25+ years of being profitable, is not being dumb..

[lonestar]

Cain made his business (Godfather's) efficient by laying off 50% of his workforce in order to make selling ****ty pizza profitable -- instead of finding a way to sell a product that was more in demand.

I don't blame him for it, it's a valid way to do business -- but it's not the type of thinking that's going to do one damn thing to resolve the current unemployment problem.

lets see if I have this correct..

If your over staffed you should sell something else or change your Pizza chain into another business or find those employees something to do instead of laying them off?

What commune did you grow up in?

are you out of touch with reality, that is good business..

just maybe if we had someone who did not think everyone was entitled to every thing I have earned in my life time without working for it .. Just maybe we would not be in the shape we are..

[lonestar]

Some of the worst pizza ever.

that is your miniscule opinion ..

you know you do not have to buy it,, and if you do not I'll bet they won;t keep an employee on because of it..

See your making the USA even worse than it is..

NEWS FLASH the economy will collapse if dream does not buy God Fathers pizza.

[W*GS]

Perhaps 911 IN YOUR opinion were minor, but for an Army town, where about 60% of the economy is derived from those that are stationed there. it is catastrophic..

9/11 led to huge increases in spending on the military.

How did an Army town suffer?

[lonestar]

9/11 led to huge increases in spending on the military.

How did an Army town suffer?

if you took time to read my post, they emptied the post of personnel air defense Patriot missile crews and sent them indiffnitely to the middle east ..
and since there were so few of them they had longer tours.. or went back more often..


not to mention the transportation divisions the base was empty.

when you lose some 20,000 troops almost over nite, and the uncertainty of when they were coming home about 70% of the spouses and kids moved back to their home towns.

The housing market sucked the rental market dried up about 60% of the small business that served those markets or those that supported them went out of business.

Most went out fast with in a year..some like mine hung on until we saw NO Hope of getting back to where it was.. or flat ran out of savings..

[Fedaykin]

lets see if I have this correct..

If your over staffed you should sell something else or change your Pizza chain into another business or find those employees something to do instead of laying them off?

What commune did you grow up in?

are you out of touch with reality, that is good business..

just maybe if we had someone who did not think everyone was entitled to every thing I have earned in my life time without working for it .. Just maybe we would not be in the shape we are..

Nice straw man argumentation and ad hominems. I didn't say it wasn't good business to do what Cain did (in fact I said exactly the opposite). What I said is what's good business for a small pizza chain isn't what needs to be done to fix the unemployment problem.

The only way to fix the unemployment problem is to make it necessary for businesses to hire new employees -- which means putting more dollars in the hands the consumers who will patronize those businesses. All the tax cuts and de-regulations in the world for businesses wouldn't do **** because unless they have increased demand they have no reason to hire more employees no matter what their costs are.

Just like Cain realized when he laid of 50% of his workforce because he knew there wasn't enough demand for his ****ty product.

[Fedaykin]

I did very little business with that component of the economy..

as for the most part they had very little discretionary income..
85% of my business mix was with those other business owners, employees of those businesses that did not to mention the HUGE retirement community here in town.

We survived loads of cut backs over the years, losing an armored division, cut backs in the military.

In fact we thrived until 911 and the additional regs that went with it.

Like I said 25+ years of being profitable, is not being dumb..

You really are dumb as a post. You straight up lose (by your claim, they literally packed up and left!) 15% of your business, and the other 85% of your business loses the income from that same 15%. On top of that, a sizable portion of your customer base had their income decimated by a stock market plunge. You were trying to sell non-necessities to this customer base, and you don't think you had a demand problem?

Are you really that daft or are you just desperately trying to blame your failure on someone else?

[Spider]

absolutely it desvasted them as well as every one in the food chain beyond them.. can't count the number of surcharges I saw due to fuel..

I'm not excusing a thing, merely pointing out the reasons.

Some things are just beyond a mere mortals control..

but that isnt the republican mantra , sink or swim unless you are rich ......
I dont care what business your in , you have pit falls , my industry has more then its fair share , but yet we keep going ,, we have to , all we have to do is adjust , for example idle time , cut back on that , when possible stick to the interstates , stopping and going slowing down speeding up cuts your fuel millage way down , you will save more fuel strolling 80mph down the superslab , then you will doing 65 on a us highway , Keep the left door shut , fuel either in the morning or at night when you stop depending on where you are you want 600- to 722 miles a day done ......
and if you have time , and the chain law is in effect ,SIT .... Freight haulers have to go , let them have the road , you are not impressing anyone by driving in that condition .......

[Requiem]

Are you really that daft or are you just desperately trying to blame your failure on someone else?

His brains are spit on grits.

[lonestar]

9/11 led to huge increases in spending on the military.

How did an Army town suffer?

if you took time to read my post, they emptied the post of personnel air defense Patriot missile crews and sent them indiffnitely to the middle east ..
and since there were so few of them they had longer tours.. or went back more often..


not to mention the transportation divisions the base was empty.

when you lose some 20,000 troops almost over nite, and the uncertainty of when they were coming home about 70% of the spouses and kids moved back to their home towns.

The housing market sucked the rental market dried up about 60% of the small business that served those markets or those that supported them went out of business.

Most went out fast with in a year..some like mine hung on until we saw NO Hope of getting back to where it was.. or flat ran out of savings..

[lonestar]

Nice straw man argumentation and ad hominems. I didn't say it wasn't good business to do what Cain did (in fact I said exactly the opposite). What I said is what's good business for a small pizza chain isn't what needs to be done to fix the unemployment problem.

The only way to fix the unemployment problem is to make it necessary for businesses to hire new employees -- which means putting more dollars in the hands the consumers who will patronize those businesses. All the tax cuts and de-regulations in the world for businesses wouldn't do **** because unless they have increased demand they have no reason to hire more employees no matter what their costs are.

Just like Cain realized when he laid of 50% of his workforce because he knew there wasn't enough demand for his ****ty product.

so why are you whining about guy that did the right thing..

BTW it is not the Federal governments responisbilty to put money into the peoples hands to stimulate the economy..

IF they tax EVERYONE less, that will keep money in the economy..

I do not want my moron rep spending my money on his pet projects..

Having some one in the white house tha has the BALLS to veto pork and cut the deficet will do more than spending more..

At least from a business mans point of view that is how I see it..

the past twenty years of congress spending more and more and driving up the cost of borrowing has not worked.

time to cut spending..

[TonyR]

If you truly beleive he had nothing to do with those numbers...

Why don't you explain to us how gas prices, corn prices, unemployment, and poverty went up because of Obama. This should be both interesting and entertaining. I'll pop my popcorn while you prepare.

[baja]

What increases federal revenue is the movement of money. The more often money changes hands the greater the tax revenue. get money in the hands of consumers that is what will get things going nothing else

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[Rohirrim]

You know why beef costs so much more than it used to?

Subsidized ethanol.

[lonestar]

but that isnt the republican mantra , sink or swim unless you are rich ......
I dont care what business your in , you have pit falls , my industry has more then its fair share , but yet we keep going ,, we have to , all we have to do is adjust , for example idle time , cut back on that , when possible stick to the interstates , stopping and going slowing down speeding up cuts your fuel millage way down , you will save more fuel strolling 80mph down the superslab , then you will doing 65 on a us highway , Keep the left door shut , fuel either in the morning or at night when you stop depending on where you are you want 600- to 722 miles a day done ......
and if you have time , and the chain law is in effect ,SIT .... Freight haulers have to go , let them have the road , you are not impressing anyone by driving in that condition .......


I admire your admitting that YOU did something smart, to cut your costs. imagine what could have been done if your cost of fuels was not on the moon.. How many extra dollars would you be spending in the economy.. or for that matter paying taxes on that extra income..

Yet this current administration has fought tooth and nails to restrict drilling, in america while giving Brazil incentive to do the same thing, not to mention the EPA's nose into the fracking of shale oil, and drilling in the Dakotas for natural gas..

and also the Canadian oil pipe line to Texas..
and lest I forget the Alaskan oil that goes untapped.

Sorry but let Professionals do they jobs LIKE YOU to cut our costs..

Just curious how are you going to make a living when you your diesel goes away and they want to convert your truck to solar cells and batteries :giggle::giggle:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I admire your admitting that YOU did something smart, to cut your costs. imagine what could have been done if your cost of fuels was not on the moon.. How many extra dollars would you be spending in the economy.. or for that matter paying taxes on that extra income..

Yet this current administration has fought tooth and nails to restrict drilling, in america while giving Brazil incentive to do the same thing, not to mention the EPA's nose into the fracking of shale oil, and drilling in the Dakotas for natural gas..

and also the Canadian oil pipe line to Texas..
and lest I forget the Alaskan oil that goes untapped.

Sorry but let Professionals do they jobs LIKE YOU to cut our costs..

Just curious how are you going to make a living when you your diesel goes away and they want to convert your truck to solar cells and batteries :giggle::giggle:

Funny - I remember when the GOP controlled the WH and both chambers of Congress, the righties were STILL blaming the environmentalists for "blocking" efforts to drill ANWR, and other sites (like it had nothing to do with actual cost/benefit analyses, etc.)

In any event, if you really want to do something about our artificially inflated fuel costs, then the first step is to decouple the oil industry from the speculators and casino capitalists on Wall St.

[lonestar]

Funny - I remember when the GOP controlled the WH and both chambers of Congress, the righties were STILL blaming the environmentalists for "blocking" efforts to drill ANWR, and other sites (like it had nothing to do with actual cost/benefit analyses, etc.)

In any event, if you really want to do something about our artificially inflated fuel costs, then the first step is to decouple the oil industry from the speculators and casino capitalists on Wall St.

I have no issues with hanging commodities and speculators by the huevous, and have stated so in previous posts..



BTW there was ONLY a very brief period where GOP controlled the WH and both chambers of Congress and frankly I was emabarassed that we did not do the right thing then..

but then the otehr 80% of the time the dumos had congress control and jsut psent EVEN more money..

I'm a firm beleiver in this web site..

http://www.cagw.org/

in fact I'll start a Porker of the month thread for anyone interested in reading it..

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

but then the otehr 80% of the time the dumos had congress control and jsut psent EVEN more money..



???

Just to make sure I understand what you're saying here: Are you saying the Dems controlled Congress for 80% of Bush's eight-year watch?

[Spider]

I admire your admitting that YOU did something smart, to cut your costs. imagine what could have been done if your cost of fuels was not on the moon.. How many extra dollars would you be spending in the economy.. or for that matter paying taxes on that extra income..

Yet this current administration has fought tooth and nails to restrict drilling, in america while giving Brazil incentive to do the same thing, not to mention the EPA's nose into the fracking of shale oil, and drilling in the Dakotas for natural gas..

and also the Canadian oil pipe line to Texas..
and lest I forget the Alaskan oil that goes untapped.

Sorry but let Professionals do they jobs LIKE YOU to cut our costs..

Just curious how are you going to make a living when you your diesel goes away and they want to convert your truck to solar cells and batteries :giggle::giggle:

First off it was under Junior when fuel prices spiked , alot of places was 5 bucks a gallon , I moved oil rigs for a living , ask around down here , last thing you want is to engage me in a energy debate , I have seen and I know too much , so you might want to back off of that ....
if they convert my rig to those things , so be it , as it is now it takes me 30 minutes to fuel ....

[lonestar]

First off it was under Junior when fuel prices spiked , alot of places was 5 bucks a gallon , I moved oil rigs for a living , ask around down here , last thing you want is to engage me in a energy debate , I have seen and I know too much , so you might want to back off of that ....
if they convert my rig to those things , so be it , as it is now it takes me 30 minutes to fuel ....

Just curious since your "in the energy business" or close enough to it to know what is going on..

how do y'all feel about the drilling or lack thereof off shore or in anwrr..

Look I'm all for alternative energy, but I do not want to pay more for it Nor do I want to send any more money to our enemies..

would love to see other areas developed solar, geo thermal, wind.. but agin not worth spending a surcharge to use it..

I'm looking into putting solar cell panels on my roof. Would love to get a check from ELP Electric about 11 months out to fthe year..

I already heat the pool with solar panels that has saved a ton of money in gas bills.. and has extended the swimming season 3 additional months over what it used to be. I will close the pool in about three weeks unless we get a biggie indian summer..

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

One thing to remember about drilling: It's folly to assume the oil recovered by the multinationals is all going to meet American demand.

The oil would be sold to the highest bidder.

These multinationals don't give a tinker's f_ck about America - only their own bottom lines.

[Spider]

Just curious since your "in the energy business" or close enough to it to know what is going on..

how do y'all feel about the drilling or lack thereof off shore or in anwrr.. it isnt the lack of drilling off shore that is the problem , or anwar , for example the bakin has more oil in it the the middle east , and piance creek colorado has more , and your Brooksshelf in texas isnt to shabby , boars tusk in Wyomin has never been touched , huge strike out east also , Penn upstate new york ...... we have shut in wells from Sydney Montana , from andrews Texas all the way to the Mexico line ...big strike found out near Hobbs New Mexico also , the place has grown ....Oil right now is a political football both sides are using for political gain .... Remember when Fox news was pimping Peak oil ? yeah I called it a joke back then , and still is , I have seen Co2 drilling , I have hauled in the super blowers for it out near meeker colorado ....

Look I'm all for alternative energy, but I do not want to pay more for it Nor do I want to send any more money to our enemies..
your gonna pay either way ...
would love to see other areas developed solar, geo thermal, wind.. but agin not worth spending a surcharge to use it.. you pay a sur chare now for fuel through higher food prices ...

I'm looking into putting solar cell panels on my roof. Would love to get a check from ELP Electric about 11 months out to fthe year.. ;) ...

I already heat the pool with solar panels that has saved a ton of money in gas bills.. and has extended the swimming season 3 additional months over what it used to be. I will close the pool in about three weeks unless we get a biggie indian summer.. I hope you get it ;) swimming pools are a blast .. lots of fun

[Spider]

One thing to remember about drilling: It's folly to assume the oil recovered by the multinationals is all going to meet American demand. it could we have the surplus , if we opened all of our wells and made oil refineries keep the 95% production through winter , not only would we have enough , fuel would be below a buck a gallon , cost to bring shale oil up out of the ground ..12.00 a barrel ....

The oil would be sold to the highest bidder. agreed

These multinationals don't give a tinker's f_ck about America - only their own bottom lines.

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