View Full Version : Obama Campaign Says GOP Blocking Jobs Bill................After Reid Blocks Jobs Bill
UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
10-05-2011, 09:01 PM
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20111005/D9Q639L00.html
Senate Democrats are scrambling to rewrite portions of President Barack Obama's jobs bill as they seek elusive party unity around the measure even as Obama tries to pin the blame squarely on Republicans for Congress' failure to act.
Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell moved to call the president's bluff Tuesday by pushing for a quick Senate vote on the bill, but Democratic leader Harry Reid derailed the effort as all sides maneuvered for position in a potentially defining battle in the 2012 presidential campaign.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-campaign-says-gop-blocking-jobs-bill-after-reid-blocks-jobs-bill_595022.html
The Obama campaign sent out an email today asking supporters to urge Congress to at least vote on the president’s jobs bill almost immediately after Democratic majority leader Harry Reid blocked a vote on the bill in the Senate.
On the Senate floor today, Republican leader Mitch McConnell asked for unanimous consent to proceed on voting on the bill. Reid, who has struggled to find enough votes for the bill in the Democratic caucus, objected to the motion and killed the opportunity for a vote.
Hilarious!:wave:
Who is it tasting?
epicSocialism4tw
10-05-2011, 09:27 PM
Is anybody still drinking the kool-aid for these clowns?
Even the hard-core liberals have to be able to see through this stuff.
ant1999e
10-05-2011, 09:29 PM
Harry's gotta put in some pork so his fellow democrats will vote for the bill. Watch it grow.
barryr
10-07-2011, 06:00 AM
The liberals are silent about it since they do not know what to say. Agree with what Reid does and look stupid(but that never seems to stop them before) or have to GASP, criticize democrats. Oh no, the horror!
Spider
10-07-2011, 07:27 AM
LMAO giving you bastards record with truth ......I will wait for the real story to come out before commenting , you bedwetters been busted in so many lies ....
Rohirrim
10-07-2011, 08:02 AM
The truth of the matter is that McConnell and Reid are simply indulging themselves with parliamentary parlor tricks while the country burns.
Smiling Assassin27
10-07-2011, 08:08 AM
The truth of the matter is that McConnell and Reid are simply indulging themselves with parliamentary parlor tricks while the country burns.
McConnell's ready to bring it to the floor, man. Reid went ahead with the nuclear option last night and is the SOLE reason this bill has not been debated yet. Meanwhile, President Dingbat keeps blaming the R's, despite them having the minority in the Senate.
When the Senate turns over in 2012, Harry's foolish move will come back to haunt him when the GOP pulls this crap on his party. Reid has basically incinerated any remote chance of common ground or compromise, and the country's gonna be the one to suffer for it.
peacepipe
10-07-2011, 08:13 AM
Rightards are simply trying embarass Obama & dems. Ried used the nuclear option cause their was no other choice. McConnell played chicken with ried & lost.
Smiling Assassin27
10-07-2011, 08:19 AM
Rightards are simply trying embarass Obama & dems. Ried used the nuclear option cause their was no other choice. McConnell played chicken with ried & lost.
The Dems really don't need Republican help for this. A Democrat president has put forth a bill that his own party will not support. That's embarrassing. The Senate Majority Leader has deliberately defied his President by not 'passing this bill now'. That's embarrassing. Reid pushed the button and abandoned any reasoned approach to this in lieu of a temper tantrum. That's embarassing--or at least it should be to you. Are you saying that the thing McConnell was trying to embarrass Reid with was...Obama's Job Bill? That says a lot. Remember this:
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peacepipe
10-07-2011, 08:37 AM
LMAO giving you bastards record with truth ......I will wait for the real story to come out before commenting , you bedwetters been busted in so many lies ....
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/senate-nuclear-option-filibuster-reid-mcconnell-vote.php
Did Harry Reid pull the nuclear option in the Senate Thursday night? That all depends what you mean by "nuclear option." Reid did succeed in changing the Senate's rules tonight, but in exceptionally narrow terms. And the only danger for Senate Democrats -- as with setting any new precedent -- is that an opportunistic future GOP majority will seize upon what happened Thursday as an excuse to make much bigger, broader changes to parliamentary procedure, perhaps even nixing the filibuster.
All day -- and really all week -- Reid and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) have been involved in a procedural jousting match. McConnell's goal has been to embarrass Democrats -- to force a vote of some kind on the jobs bill President Obama sent to Congress weeks ago, and watch it go down in flames. Reid's goal has been to thwart McConnell, and to call his own vote in the coming days on a modified version of Obama's bill with broader caucus support. That will help Democrats make the case that Republicans alone stand in the way of the American Jobs Act.
Mostly this was about positioning. McConnell wants a version -- any version -- of the Obama jobs bill to fail with bipartisan opposition. He wants to upset Reid's efforts to draw a sharp contrast between the parties over jobs. Knowing that Republicans will filibuster all versions of Obama's jobs bills, Reid wants to make it clear in the public mind that it's the GOP that's preventing a bold jobs package from moving forward.
After going back and forth for a couple rounds, detailed here and here, everything seemed to be set in stone. McConnell wouldn't get his vote on Obama's jobs bill directly, but he would use his prerogatives under the Senate rule to force a vote on what's known as a "motion to suspend the rules" -- an arcane tactic that requires a two-thirds vote for passage, and was destined to fail. McConnell, though, wanted this procedural vote to serve as a proxy for Obama's jobs bill. If it failed, and if Democrats voted against it, Republicans could say Obama's jobs bill went down with bipartisan support -- a talking point they could use for months.
McConnell had the Senate rules on his side. His motion, however mischievous, was ruled in order. The stage was set for a vote. That's when Reid whipped out an ace he's had up his sleeve since he became majority leader -- one that his liberal critics wish he'd used two years ago to end the filibuster and ram the Democratic agenda through the Senate without having to contend with frustrating supermajority requirements. Reid and 50 of his Democrats simply voted to overrule the parliamentarian's decision that McConnell's motion was in order. Presto, McConnell's motion could not come to a vote, and Reid had avoided a political embarrassment -- and eliminated a very small minority right in the Senate.
But this wasn't just about checkmating McConnell. As he said in a statement late Thursday, "The Senate must have the ability to move forward on legislation that has broad bipartisan support. A small minority of senators cannot be allowed to bring bipartisan legislation, like a bill to end China's job-killing, underhanded currency manipulation, to a grinding halt when 14 million Americans are out of work."
To wit, after legislation has overcome a filibuster, only a very narrow set of germane amendments can come up for votes -- unless the rules are suspended. Since Obama's jobs bill is not germane to Chinese currency legislation, it was out of order, and suspending the rules was McConnell's only way to force the issue. This thin reed of minority power has been ripped from its root, because of Reid's play Thursday night.
Still, what Reid did operates on the same principle as the "nuclear option." It is tactically the same maneuver Republicans threatened to pull in 2005 when they pushed to end judicial filibusters. But the issue at stake is much, much narrower -- it ends a ploy that hasn't been pulled successfully in decades, except to delay proceedings on the Senate floor and score political points.
And this is where timing becomes important. Reid has wiped out an extremely small minority right (technically, the right to force a vote on a motion to suspend the rules, after cloture has been invoked on a bill, to consider a non-germane amendment). But he's done so at the nadir of Democratic power with Republicans strongly positioned to assume the majority in 2012. Republicans are furious about it. And now that Reid's done something that hasn't been done in at least 30 years -- and may be unprecedented -- a narrow GOP majority in 2013 could use it as cover to affect much broader changes to the Senate rules. Including, if they want, eliminating the filibuster.
If Republicans win the Senate in 2012, we all may be revisiting this odd procedural maneuver, but with much, much more at stake.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
10-07-2011, 08:46 AM
LMAO giving you bastards record with truth ......I will wait for the real story to come out before commenting , you bedwetters been busted in so many lies ....
Looks like you made the right call there.
Rohirrim
10-07-2011, 09:04 AM
McConnell's ready to bring it to the floor, man. Reid went ahead with the nuclear option last night and is the SOLE reason this bill has not been debated yet. Meanwhile, President Dingbat keeps blaming the R's, despite them having the minority in the Senate.
When the Senate turns over in 2012, Harry's foolish move will come back to haunt him when the GOP pulls this crap on his party. Reid has basically incinerated any remote chance of common ground or compromise, and the country's gonna be the one to suffer for it.
And how long do you think these two parties can play these bull**** games before the country burns down?
ant1999e
10-07-2011, 09:27 AM
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/10/senate-nuclear-option-filibuster-reid-mcconnell-vote.phpDid Harry Reid pull the nuclear option in the Senate Thursday night? That all depends what you mean by "nuclear option." Reid did succeed in changing the Senate's rules tonight, but in exceptionally narrow terms. And the only danger for Senate Democrats -- as with setting any new precedent -- is that an opportunistic future GOP majority will seize upon what happened Thursday as an excuse to make much bigger, broader changes to parliamentary procedure, perhaps even nixing the filibuster.
All day -- and really all week -- Reid and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) have been involved in a procedural jousting match. McConnell's goal has been to embarrass Democrats -- to force a vote of some kind on the jobs bill President Obama sent to Congress weeks ago, and watch it go down in flames. Reid's goal has been to thwart McConnell, and to call his own vote in the coming days on a modified version of Obama's bill with broader caucus support. That will help Democrats make the case that Republicans alone stand in the way of the American Jobs Act.
You guys are fools. So Reid changed the rules in order to stop the repubs from voting on Obama's jobs bill because it wouldn't pass in a democratic controlled senate in it's current state? Obama blames the repubs for stalling the vote??? You guys are assclowns. So Reid will now sweeten the jobs bill for a few of his democrat buddies in order for them to vote on the bill.
TonyR
10-07-2011, 09:28 AM
IdiotHobo, epicFlail, barry, and SmilingAss, you really should have a clue what you're talking about before blathering nonsense on such topics. For further explanation see post #10. That's really all you need to know.
ant1999e
10-07-2011, 10:09 AM
IdiotHobo, epicFlail, barry, and SmilingAss, you really should have a clue what you're talking about before blathering nonsense on such topics. For further explanation see post #10. That's really all you need to know.
You're right. Post #10 explains how obama's jobs bill will not pass in it's current state because they don't have enough votes to pass the POS bill. So while Obama claims that the repubs are holding it up, the truth is Reid is buying time so he can throw some pork into it in order to buy off more votes from his fellow dems. McConnell tried to push for a vote just like Obama asked.
ant1999e
10-07-2011, 10:13 AM
Rightards are simply trying embarass Obama & dems. Ried used the nuclear option cause their was no other choice. McConnell played chicken with ried & lost.
If complying with the presidents request to vote on his jobs bill embarasses them well who's fault is that???
Garcia Bronco
10-07-2011, 10:20 AM
It's not the federal governments job to create jobs. If we are going to raise taxes on anyone the potential revenue needs to go to paying down our national debt. Not to be spent elsewhere.
Our congress and President have a serious spending addiction. They need help
peacepipe
10-07-2011, 10:23 AM
You're right. Post #10 explains how obama's jobs bill will not pass in it's current state because they don't have enough votes to pass the POS bill. So while Obama claims that the repubs are holding it up, the truth is Reid is buying time so he can throw some pork into it in order to buy off more votes from his fellow dems. McConnell tried to push for a vote just like Obama asked.
POS bill! really, let the rightards put a jobs bill..oh wait the rightards don't have a jobs bill, they never had one.
BTW what pork are you refering to.
peacepipe
10-07-2011, 10:26 AM
It's not the federal governments job to create jobs. If we are going to raise taxes on anyone the potential revenue needs to go to paying down our national debt. Not to be spent elsewhere.
Our congress and President have a serious spending addiction. They need help
:bs:
ant1999e
10-07-2011, 10:28 AM
POS bill! really, let the rightards put a jobs bill..oh wait the rightards don't have a jobs bill, they never had one.
BTW what pork are you refering to.
So explain why the jobs bill hasn't beed voted on. Why would it, if voted on, "go down in flames"?
Why is Obama blaming the repubs for not voting on oit when Reid is actually holding up the vote?
As for the pork, it will be added to the bill in order for the dems to vote for it. Just wait and see.
UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
10-07-2011, 10:32 AM
LMAO giving you bastards record with truth ......I will wait for the real story to come out before commenting , you bedwetters been busted in so many lies ....
:rofl:
OMG! He thinks I'm trying to catch Dems in a lie. OMG! :rofl:
Please try again. I got tears in my eyes from laughing so hard. What's your next theory going to be? Free masons control Obama, Reid and McConnell attempting to con the American people believing that there are two side to the issue, all the while aliens (the kind with 6 legs and green blood sort not illegals from Canada) invade Montana for their natural resources of dirt. LOL
ant1999e
10-07-2011, 10:39 AM
LMAO giving you bastards record with truth ......I will wait for the real story to come out before commenting , you bedwetters been busted in so many lies ....
Yeah, let's see what rachel maddow says about it.
Garcia Bronco
10-07-2011, 10:39 AM
:bs:
It's not their job, only to provide an environment where business can flourish. How long do you want to continue down this failed path? It does not work and creates debt because our spending addiction Congress can't handle it.
UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
10-07-2011, 10:40 AM
Rightards are simply trying embarass Obama & dems. Ried used the nuclear option cause their was no other choice. McConnell played chicken with ried & lost.
:rofl: OMG! You and spider must be sharing something. LOL.
I love you defined "lost". Obama says "pass this bill". McConnell says "ok". Ried pulls "the bill" off the table. I guess the way Dems play chicken is the guy in the wreck is the winner. LOL. No wonder the Dems have been trying to screw this country. When the USA fails they win! Go USA. USA, USA, USA. LOL
ant1999e
10-07-2011, 10:42 AM
Rightards are simply trying embarass Obama & dems. Ried used the nuclear option cause their was no other choice. McConnell played chicken with ried & lost.
Usually when playing chicken, the one who pulls away first loses.
peacepipe
10-07-2011, 10:58 AM
Usually when playing chicken, the one who pulls away first loses.
bad analogy maybe? eitherway reid came out of this the victor.
peacepipe
10-07-2011, 11:03 AM
It's not their job, only to provide an environment where business can flourish. How long do you want to continue down this failed path? It does not work and creates debt because our spending addiction Congress can't handle it.
It is defineatly part of the feds job,from hiring IRS agents,FBI, US military,to building VA Hospitals,bridges,etc. There are 1,000s of jobs out there that only and along with the private sector that the fed can create.
Rohirrim
10-07-2011, 11:10 AM
It's not the federal governments job to create jobs. If we are going to raise taxes on anyone the potential revenue needs to go to paying down our national debt. Not to be spent elsewhere.
Our congress and President have a serious spending addiction. They need help
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
That's the purpose of the U.S. government. Of course, the Right Wing in America has twisted this to mean what is good for corporations is good for America, an entirely different philosophy. Why do you think they gave them personhood?
Garcia Bronco
10-07-2011, 11:18 AM
It is defineatly part of the feds job,from hiring IRS agents,FBI, US military,to building VA Hospitals,bridges,etc. There are 1,000s of jobs out there that only and along with the private sector that the fed can create.
No it is not.
We didn't create the IRS to employ people. We created it to collect income tax. Do you understand the distinction?
Garcia Bronco
10-07-2011, 11:23 AM
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
That's the purpose of the U.S. government. Of course, the Right Wing in America has twisted this to mean what is good for corporations is good for America, an entirely different philosophy. Why do you think they gave them personhood?
The problem with your arument is the general welfare is completely subjective. You even imply this in your paragraph. Since it's subjective it's an impossible expectation and generally why a person like yourself constantly finds fault with the government. They don't met your expectations. They can't. Further there is no direct power attributed to the government in what you have quoted to "promote the general welfare". It's the preamble. It's not the meat of the contract.
UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
10-07-2011, 11:42 AM
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
That's the purpose of the U.S. government. Of course, the Right Wing in America has twisted this to mean what is good for corporations is good for America, an entirely different philosophy. Why do you think they gave them personhood?
You're right. Except that it was never twisted. Simple question when "corporations" screw up, who to do go to to right the wrong. When governemnt screws up, who do you go to to right the wrong?
peacepipe
10-07-2011, 11:51 AM
No it is not.
We didn't create the IRS to employ people. We created it to collect income tax. Do you understand the distinction?Is the IRS a myth or something. People have to(actuall people) run it, do audits etc. it doesn't run itself.
UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
10-07-2011, 12:04 PM
Is the IRS a myth or something. People have to(actuall people) run it, do audits etc. it doesn't run itself.
Wow. How wise of you to say. Guess what corporation have people run them also. Only difference is I can sue a corporation for most anything. Can you sue the IRS or IRS agent for anything? Or how about just have the burden of justice be on the IRS?
Rohirrim
10-07-2011, 12:11 PM
The problem with your arument is the general welfare is completely subjective. You even imply this in your paragraph. Since it's subjective it's an impossible expectation and generally why a person like yourself constantly finds fault with the government. They don't met your expectations. They can't. Further there is no direct power attributed to the government in what you have quoted to "promote the general welfare". It's the preamble. It's not the meat of the contract.
Subjective? Not hardly. For example, it means you don't set up tax and trade policies that enrich a tiny minority while turning the overwhelming majority into the equivalent of debt serfs. Simply put, it means you govern for the best outcome for the most.
UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
10-07-2011, 12:29 PM
Subjective? Not hardly. For example, it means you don't set up tax and trade policies that enrich a tiny minority while turning the overwhelming majority into the equivalent of debt serfs. Simply put, it means you govern for the best outcome for the most.
Thank you for proving his point.
Rohirrim
10-07-2011, 12:31 PM
Thank you for proving his point.
The average kindergartner would understand. You two don't. Too bad about that.
UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
10-07-2011, 12:38 PM
The average kindergartner would understand. You two don't. Too bad about that.
Yes, his point was very understandable. Yours, not so much.
Garcia Bronco
10-07-2011, 01:04 PM
Is the IRS a myth or something. People have to(actuall people) run it, do audits etc. it doesn't run itself.
So you don't understand the distinction.
We didn't start the IRS to create jobs. We strated it to count the money.
Further...we could replace half their employees tomorrow with technology
Garcia Bronco
10-07-2011, 01:07 PM
Subjective? Not hardly. For example, it means you don't set up tax and trade policies that enrich a tiny minority while turning the overwhelming majority into the equivalent of debt serfs. Simply put, it means you govern for the best outcome for the most.
You don't understand the subjective nature of "the general welfare". It can literally mean anything to anybody. What's good for the general welfare according to me is going to be different from you and he next person. It's hardly a way to design or implement good government.
peacepipe
10-07-2011, 01:09 PM
So you don't understand the distinction.
We didn't start the IRS to create jobs. We strated it to count the money.
Further...we could replace half their employees tomorrow with technologyYou don't seem to understand what I'm saying,the federal government can create more jobs by hiring more IRS agents. believe it or not thats a job.
peacepipe
10-07-2011, 01:10 PM
You don't understand the subjective nature of "the general welfare". It can literally mean anything to anybody. What's good for the general welfare according to me is going to be different from you and he next person. It's hardly a way to design or implement good government.well then I guess thats where majority rule comes in.
Rohirrim
10-07-2011, 01:20 PM
well then I guess thats where majority rule comes in.
That could mean anything too, according to Garcia. In fact, Garcia follows the Humpty Dumpty rule: Words mean whatever he wants them to mean.
ant1999e
10-07-2011, 01:33 PM
bad analogy maybe? eitherway reid came out of this the victor.
You see, that's the problem. He came out the victor? Why doesn't Reid want to vote on the bill?
mosca
10-07-2011, 02:19 PM
And how long do you think these two parties can play these bull**** games before the country burns down?
Funny thing is, no one in the voting populace outside of the die-hard partisans give a rat's ass about any of the stupid political games that these Congressmen play. "So-and-so blocked this procedure and outvoted so-and-so" etc. etc. No one gives a flying ****, everyone knows that it's all a bull**** dog and pony show put on by these legislators. Crap like this is why Congress continues to have such a low approval rate, Republican OR Democrat. No one is buying either one of their sorry excuses. Even worse is when blowhards like Rush or Hannity try to paint it like one side is better than the other.
Bronx33
10-07-2011, 04:43 PM
McConnell's ready to bring it to the floor, man. Reid went ahead with the nuclear option last night and is the SOLE reason this bill has not been debated yet. Meanwhile, President Dingbat keeps blaming the R's, despite them having the minority in the Senate.
When the Senate turns over in 2012, Harry's foolish move will come back to haunt him when the GOP pulls this crap on his party. Reid has basically incinerated any remote chance of common ground or compromise, and the country's gonna be the one to suffer for it.
This...
Garcia Bronco
10-07-2011, 05:06 PM
well then I guess thats where majority rule comes in.
Unless the majority violates the contract.
Garcia Bronco
10-07-2011, 05:10 PM
You don't seem to understand what I'm saying,the federal government can create more jobs by hiring more IRS agents. believe it or not thats a job.
If there is an honest need. Great. Do it. Problem is...there might not be. Would say the IRS hiring an additional 100 workers just to have 100 more is a good thing? To hire people just to hire them? That's an irresponsible way to spend tax dollars and it's not good government.
Another problem the government worker is facing in this country is that the clerical jobs are slimmer. They've been replaced by tech; be it databases, applications, and infrastructure. Those jobs are not coming back in private sector, and they are disappearing in the public sector.
Bronx33
10-07-2011, 05:14 PM
What pisses me off is the dems completely screw things up and to cover they simply blame somebody else and what really stinks is people are so ******** stupid they believe it or are to lazy to check and find out themselves and obama and the dems know that.
That right there should **** people off sadly they are to ****** stupid..
TonyR
10-07-2011, 05:34 PM
The simple fact of the matter is, congressional Republicans don’t have a jobs plan. They don’t even pretend to. By all indications, nearly every aspect of the GOP approach to governance is predicated on the idea, at least in the short-term, of making unemployment worse.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_10/an_elusive_gop_jobs_plan032660.php
cutthemdown
10-07-2011, 05:38 PM
Jobs plan my ass it's just Obama trying to give one more round of money away before he gets axed out of office.
TonyR
10-07-2011, 05:40 PM
Can you guess who said this?
We're going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that have allowed some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying 10 percent of his salary, and that's crazy. It's time we stopped it….
What we're trying to move against is institutionalized unfairness. We want to see that everyone pays their fair share, and no one gets a free ride. Our reasons? It's good for society when we all know that no one is manipulating the system to their advantage because they're rich and powerful. But it's also good for society when everyone pays something, that everyone makes a contribution.
cutthemdown
10-07-2011, 05:45 PM
That's Reagan for sure, or possibly Nixon, but I will go with Reagan.
cutthemdown
10-07-2011, 05:46 PM
I also agree we need to make sure if someone using capital gains as income, like paying a ceo with stock, they need to pay 30% on that not 15%. We all pay like 30% at least and so should they.
TonyR
10-07-2011, 05:47 PM
That's Reagan for sure...
Bingo.
So basically, on this topic, Reagan = Obama. And yet people continue to flip out about what a socialist Obama is.
cutthemdown
10-07-2011, 05:47 PM
Why can't we close the captial gains loophole, still leave it at 15% for regular investors, give the payroll tax cut, but not raise taxes by taking away the deductions for couples making 250 grand a yr and singles making 200.
Garcia Bronco
10-07-2011, 05:48 PM
That's Reagan for sure, or possibly Nixon, but I will go with Reagan.
The problem is that Congress is not responsible for what the President says. Maybe there are too many hands in the pie.
Garcia Bronco
10-07-2011, 05:50 PM
Bingo.
So basically, on this topic, Reagan = Obama. And yet people continue to flip out about what a socialist Obama is.
You are getting wrapped up in semantics, which is always a distraction.
The real issues are something else.
cutthemdown
10-07-2011, 05:50 PM
Bingo.
So basically, on this topic, Reagan = Obama. And yet people continue to flip out about what a socialist Obama is.
Well your conclusion isn't a proven fact. Reagan was mentioning 10%, lol Obama wants far more then that. Also most of the money Obama talking about comes from ending deductions for couples making 250 grand, and singles making 200 grand. Obama lying about only taxing millionaires. He fools people into thinking he is taxing people who make 1 million a yr, which are very few and far between.
Besides what a politician wants to do, and what he gets away with are two different animals. Obama would love to be way more left hes just cant get even his own party to go along with him all the time. Then he lost power. Now he is castrated IMO. If he wins in will be 4 yrs of republicans blocking everything he does because he can't get his own party to go along with him 100%
ant1999e
10-07-2011, 07:59 PM
The simple fact of the matter is, congressional Republicans don’t have a jobs plan. They don’t even pretend to. By all indications, nearly every aspect of the GOP approach to governance is predicated on the idea, at least in the short-term, of making unemployment worse.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_10/an_elusive_gop_jobs_plan032660.php
And the second part of that simple fact of the matter is that obama's plan is so bad that Reid.can't get it passed.
Spider
10-08-2011, 08:29 AM
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20111005/D9Q639L00.html
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-campaign-says-gop-blocking-jobs-bill-after-reid-blocks-jobs-bill_595022.html
Hilarious!:wave:
Who is it tasting?
Hilarious!this is why you are a dumbass .......
McConnell wasn’t trying to bring the jobs bill to the floor, he was trying to tack the entire package on as an amendment to a bill on Chinese currency manipulation.
TheDave
10-08-2011, 12:04 PM
And how long do you think these two parties can play these bull**** games before the country burns down?
^
Funny thing is, no one in the voting populace outside of the die-hard partisans give a rat's ass about any of the stupid political games that these Congressmen play. "So-and-so blocked this procedure and outvoted so-and-so" etc. etc. No one gives a flying ****, everyone knows that it's all a bull**** dog and pony show put on by these legislators. Crap like this is why Congress continues to have such a low approval rate, Republican OR Democrat. No one is buying either one of their sorry excuses. Even worse is when blowhards like Rush/Olberman et. al. try to paint it like one side is better than the other.
^^ with the add... They all drive me nuts
barryr
10-09-2011, 09:01 AM
I wonder if 46% of the country was not paying taxes when Reagan was president like it happening now under Obama? Yet we talk of "paying their fair share" while those that pay nothing get little attention.