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robbieopperude
10-03-2011, 03:26 PM
Discuss. My guess is not quite but will be awfully close.

Archer81
10-03-2011, 03:28 PM
Neither are Broncos.

Until one or the other is...why debate it?

:Broncos:

TheDave
10-03-2011, 03:28 PM
Today... no

TheReverend
10-03-2011, 03:31 PM
Brb channeling my future self.

robbieopperude
10-03-2011, 03:33 PM
If this guy is close to the next Aaron Rodgers I would fully support putting Moreno and McGahee in at QB and running the ball straight up the gut and punting every possession for the rest of the year to get him.

Did anyone see his 1 handed catch?

robbieopperude
10-03-2011, 03:34 PM
If this guy is close to the next Aaron Rodgers I would fully support putting Moreno and McGahee in at QB and running the ball straight up the gut and punting every possession for the rest of the year to get him.

Did anyone see his 1 handed catch?

Or Fox could put Tebow in to this and then respond during his press briefs that using Tebow just isn't working. Hilarious!

Agamemnon
10-03-2011, 03:34 PM
Better? Aaron Rodgers is basically playing as well as a QB can play right now. Luck might equal that (though I doubt it), but he isn't going to surpass it.

robbieopperude
10-03-2011, 03:37 PM
Who knew Rodgers would be on par with Brady and Manning. The guy is unreal.

Archer81
10-03-2011, 03:40 PM
Who knew Rodgers would be on par with Brady and Manning. The guy is unreal.


It took the game yesterday for you to realize that?


:Broncos:

BroncoMan4ever
10-03-2011, 03:41 PM
i am of the belief that all QBs coming out of college have a better chance of being the next Leaf, Harrington, Akili, or Jamarcus more than I believe they will be stars. so until proven wrong i am in the he has a better shot at being the next Leaf camp.

WolfpackGuy
10-03-2011, 03:43 PM
As GOOD as Aaron Rodgers will suffice.

Hell, even a notch below would be better than anything they have now.

spdirty
10-03-2011, 03:46 PM
When I watch Luck I can't see how he will be anything but a stud in the NFL.

mkporter
10-03-2011, 03:47 PM
There are a lot of things that have to go right to get to level that Rodgers has achieved. Luck probably has the talent to do it, but you need hard work, good coaching, talent around you, good fortune with injuries, and a lot of other things to go your way.

MacGruder
10-03-2011, 03:50 PM
Has anyone noticed how much Andrew Luck looks like Ryan Leaf..

That's my answer btw

elsid13
10-03-2011, 03:50 PM
I really wish folks would stop posting the Ryan Leaf options. There no indication that Luck behavior is anyway the same as Leaf immature act coming out of WSU.

BroncoMan4ever
10-03-2011, 03:54 PM
I really wish folks would stop posting the Ryan Leaf options. There no indication that Luck behavior is anyway the same as Leaf immature act coming out of WSU.

behavior isn't what i am comparing Luck to Leaf in. i am just saying Luck gets talked about as the next Manning or Elway type of talk. not talk saying the next good NFL QB, the talk has him labeled as the next all time great. when anyone who has ever paid attention to football must realize he has a better chance of having a career like Leaf a guy who was once seen as a can't miss than he does of having a career like Manning.

elsid13
10-03-2011, 04:10 PM
behavior isn't what i am comparing Luck to Leaf in. i am just saying Luck gets talked about as the next Manning or Elway type of talk. not talk saying the next good NFL QB, the talk has him labeled as the next all time great. when anyone who has ever paid attention to football must realize he has a better chance of having a career like Leaf a guy who was once seen as a can't miss than he does of having a career like Manning.

The way Luck has been ascending it remind me more of the build up with Manning at Tennessee then sudden on the scene appearance of Leaf or Andre Ware.

At the top of his potential Luck as chance to be as good as Brady, Rivers, Rodgers and Manning at worse you get someone like Matt Hasselbeck, or Eli Manning (above average starters).

When you read and hear about Luck it not hard to understand why the scout and NFL front office are interested in selecting him. Film geek, low key personality off the field and strong teammate.

From Espin: http://espn.go.com/blog/stanford-football/post/_/id/1168/luck-gaining-maturity-with-extra-year

cabronco
10-03-2011, 04:23 PM
When I watch Luck I can't see how he will be anything but a stud in the NFL.


This. He's got all the tools needed to be a top tier Nfl QB, except nfl experience. Oh ya he can catch one handed passes too. Some team is gonna score a potential great franchise qb.

DBroncos4life
10-03-2011, 04:24 PM
Why does he gave to be better then Rodgers?

BroncoMan4ever
10-03-2011, 04:46 PM
The way Luck has been ascending it remind me more of the build up with Manning at Tennessee then sudden on the scene appearance of Leaf or Andre Ware.

At the top of his potential Luck as chance to be as good as Brady, Rivers, Rodgers and Manning at worse you get someone like Matt Hasselbeck, or Eli Manning (above average starters).

When you read and hear about Luck it not hard to understand why the scout and NFL front office are interested in selecting him. Film geek, low key personality off the field and strong teammate.

From Espin: http://espn.go.com/blog/stanford-football/post/_/id/1168/luck-gaining-maturity-with-extra-year

Leinart was talked about over the course of 2 seasons and has proven to be worthless. Harrington, Carr(who would have been good under better circumstances) also had hype. sure it is possible he becomes a Rodgers, Brady, Manning type, i am not saying it is impossible, i am just saying the overwhelming evidence of the draft says he has a better chance of failing.

i just can't get excited about any college QB. the ones seen as most promising generally end up sucking and overlooked guys seem to be the ones who end up really good. i know in recent years, Bradford, Stafford, Flacco, Ryan, Freeman have come out and looked good right away, but usually it doesn't happen that way and i will not hold me breath on Luck or any QB in next years draft or any draft for that matter

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-03-2011, 05:59 PM
better? Prolly not. Maybe not even as good. But Rodgers is playing as well as the position is ever played right now.

s0phr0syne
10-03-2011, 06:07 PM
There are a lot of things that have to go right to get to level that Rodgers has achieved. Luck probably has the talent to do it, but you need hard work, good coaching, talent around you, good fortune with injuries, and a lot of other things to go your way.


Agree and it bears repeating. Rodgers is behind the success of the system he is in, but is also a product of that same system. How'd he look before they drafted all the stud weapons? It was a good thing for GB that Dallas knocked Favre out of that game...

epicSocialism4tw
10-03-2011, 06:11 PM
This thred 4 teh lulz

Dedhed
10-03-2011, 06:18 PM
You can't even say that Luck will be better than Orton. Which is part of the reason why not playing Tebow is so infuriating.

Rock Chalk
10-03-2011, 06:24 PM
Leinart was talked about over the course of 2 seasons and has proven to be worthless. Harrington, Carr(who would have been good under better circumstances) also had hype. sure it is possible he becomes a Rodgers, Brady, Manning type, i am not saying it is impossible, i am just saying the overwhelming evidence of the draft says he has a better chance of failing.

i just can't get excited about any college QB. the ones seen as most promising generally end up sucking and overlooked guys seem to be the ones who end up really good. i know in recent years, Bradford, Stafford, Flacco, Ryan, Freeman have come out and looked good right away, but usually it doesn't happen that way and i will not hold me breath on Luck or any QB in next years draft or any draft for that matter

You could probably counter that argument that college now is more prone to developing NFL capable QBs as the last batch of QBs that has come out recently have really been able to step right in and succeed. Not all, but it appears a much higher number than in years past.

maher_tyler
10-03-2011, 06:38 PM
He could be just as good..it'd be hard to be much better than Rodgers! So i selected no.

MacGruder
10-03-2011, 06:49 PM
You could probably counter that argument that college now is more prone to developing NFL capable QBs as the last batch of QBs that has come out recently have really been able to step right in and succeed. Not all, but it appears a much higher number than in years past.

I think college QBs now are developed to come in and manage games.. and they are churned out in a cookie cutter fashion. They still can't tell who is going to be really good or not.. but they can tell who can come in and manage games.

I think that cookie cutter way of making QBs is hurting them as well. The players that don't fit into that mold get over looked. look at Aaron Rodgers.. things could have gone completely different and apparently he had to develop himself.. and the way he was developed initially seemed to hinder him.

maher_tyler
10-03-2011, 06:50 PM
This. He's got all the tools needed to be a top tier Nfl QB, except nfl experience. Oh ya he can catch one handed passes too. Some team is gonna score a potential great franchise qb.

Possible slot receiver??

GreatBronco16
10-03-2011, 07:10 PM
If Denver drafts Luck, I hope they play him at his more natural position. Slot WR.

robbieopperude
10-03-2011, 07:16 PM
A couple of things. Luck has more of the can't miss label like Peyton than the he could be a good QB label of Harrington or David Carr. Whoever mentioned Eli is probably correct for his low end upside. So on the low end you are getting a Pro Bowl QB.

I compared him to Rodgers because he is also a very good runner. It wouldn't make sense to compare him to Brady or Bree's who just stand in the pocket and dissect you with precision passing and knowledge of what your defenses weaknesses are.

Luck is no flash in the pan QB with big upside like Akili Smith, JaMarcus or Leaf either. You can't argue with the guys production in a very good conference with a pro style offense. They aren't running the Run N Shoot or Spread.

Like I said he is probably at worse a top 8 QB in the NFL by year 3 in the league. After 5 or 6 years in the league I imagine he will be Number 1 or 2 overall.

I also agree he will need to get some talent put in front of him to succeed. The Packers have hit HR's with there drafting of Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Finley and had the luck of having a very good OT slip to them when they were drafting in the 20's.

Lets hope Denver can have the same. Oh and last thing. Right now at this very second Andrew Luck is better than Kyle Orton.

Jay3
10-03-2011, 07:19 PM
Honestly, I think Rodgers may turn out to be the GOAT when all is said and done.

Archer81
10-03-2011, 07:43 PM
If Denver drafts Luck, I hope they play him at his more natural position. Slot WR.


Slot WR? Surely you jest, serah.

DT or bust.


:Broncos:

RaiderH8r
10-03-2011, 07:56 PM
I'm having visions of Todd Marinovich here.

rmsanger
10-03-2011, 08:01 PM
No because he'll get drafted by us or the chiefs and spend the next 10 years in purgatory. We wouldn't know what to do with his kind of talent, maybe split him out at WR while Orton chucks it.

epicSocialism4tw
10-03-2011, 08:10 PM
I'm having visions of Todd Marinovich here.

Its possible.

Basically these things are a crapshoot. And when anybody tells you that a player is a sure thing, you know they're absolutely full of crap. Either that or 10 years old...and full of crap.

RaiderH8r
10-03-2011, 08:11 PM
No because he'll get drafted by us or the chiefs and spend the next 10 years in purgatory. We wouldn't know what to do with his kind of talent, maybe split him out at WR while Orton chucks it.

I think McCoy could devise a run, run, pass, punt game plan for him. Hell, McCoy might even get creative and run a play action pass on second and short.

RaiderH8r
10-03-2011, 08:12 PM
Its possible.

Basically these things are a crapshoot. And when anybody tells you that a player is a sure thing, you know they're absolutely full of crap. Either that or 10 years old...and full of crap.

Exactly. I've seen a lot more sure fire busts than sure fire successes so perhaps my cynicism can be excused.

At the very least we know what Orton is, we know what Quinn is, we should find out what Tebow is so we can decide if we need to crap or get off the pot.

scorpio
10-03-2011, 08:14 PM
http://i.imgur.com/uMJ6y.jpg

idk

epicSocialism4tw
10-03-2011, 08:16 PM
Slot WR? Surely you jest, serah.

DT or bust.


:Broncos:

He could play fullback or TE too.

epicSocialism4tw
10-03-2011, 08:19 PM
Exactly. I've seen a lot more sure fire busts than sure fire successes so perhaps my cynicism can be excused.

At the very least we know what Orton is, we know what Quinn is, we should find out what Tebow is so we can decide if we need to crap or get off the pot.

Not only that, but the team needs DE's, an MLB, DT's, CB's, possibly a strong safety, RB's, and OL depth.

Hey...the teams neeeds players at just about every position and management has talked about building though the draft...why dont we trade our young star linebacker and all of our picks for a draft pick QB? Ha!

Steve Sewell
10-03-2011, 09:05 PM
Let's put it this way. Luck could have been plugged into Florida's offense instead of Tebow and produced similar results. He is that good of an athlete. When you think of that plus the fact that the guy has top level NFL mechanics, arm strength, accuracy, smarts, and attitude...the guy is probably one of the most "can't miss" prospects that I can remember in the last 10-15 years.

People just need to watch some Stanford games. Usually they are on late at night. However, for Coloradan's...you can watch the epic butt slamming that the Buffs are about to endure at the hands of Luck/Stanford next weekend.

epicSocialism4tw
10-03-2011, 09:18 PM
Let's put it this way. Luck could have been plugged into Florida's offense instead of Tebow and produced similar results. He is that good of an athlete. When you think of that plus the fact that the guy has top level NFL mechanics, arm strength, accuracy, smarts, and attitude...the guy is probably one of the most "can't miss" prospects that I can remember in the last 10-15 years.

People just need to watch some Stanford games. Usually they are on late at night. However, for Coloradan's...you can watch the epic butt slamming that the Buffs are about to endure at the hands of Luck/Stanford next weekend.

I have seen several Stanford games, and while Luck does look like a complete player...you never know. People thought Ryan Leaf was a better prospect than Peyton Manning too.

Modern can't miss prospects that missed:
Todd Marinovich
Ryan Leaf
Dan McGwire
Akili Smith
Tim Couch
David Carr
etc.

strafen
10-03-2011, 09:54 PM
Discuss. My guess is not quite but will be awfully close.

There's one way to find out.

Steve Sewell
10-03-2011, 10:20 PM
I have seen several Stanford games, and while Luck does look like a complete player...you never know. People thought Ryan Leaf was a better prospect than Peyton Manning too.

Modern can't miss prospects that missed:
Todd Marinovich
Ryan Leaf
Dan McGwire
Akili Smith
Tim Couch
David Carr
etc.

None of those are even remotely close to the talent level and intangibles that Luck possesses.

epicSocialism4tw
10-03-2011, 11:13 PM
None of those are even remotely close to the talent level and intangibles that Luck possesses.

That's your opinion, and if you are basic it on Mel Kiper's opinion, then you probably want to change it.

Pick Six
10-04-2011, 01:20 AM
If Luck is the next Aaron Rodgers, that means that he'll have to sit several years behind Orton before he gets his shot...right? ;)

robbieopperude
10-04-2011, 04:00 AM
I have seen several Stanford games, and while Luck does look like a complete player...you never know. People thought Ryan Leaf was a better prospect than Peyton Manning too.

Modern can't miss prospects that missed:
Todd Marinovich
Ryan Leaf
Dan McGwire
Akili Smith
Tim Couch
David Carr
etc.

That is the worst can't miss prospect list I have ever scene generated. For one Ryan Leaf was labeled as having more upside. He was never considered the sure thing Manning was. I'm not even sure I can take your list seriously when you have Akili Smith on there. I think that guy started 1 year at Oregon and was never ever labeled can't miss. Now if you would have used this list
Peyton Manning
Carson Palmer
Eli Manning
John Elway
then you would have been making some sense.

Blueflame
10-04-2011, 04:25 AM
I have seen several Stanford games, and while Luck does look like a complete player...you never know. People thought Ryan Leaf was a better prospect than Peyton Manning too.

Modern can't miss prospects that missed:
Todd Marinovich
Ryan Leaf
Dan McGwire
Akili Smith
Tim Couch
David Carr
etc.

Actually it was no secret around Pullman that Ryan Leaf had "attitude problems".

eddie mac
10-04-2011, 04:55 AM
Thing is though, are you as a fan prepared to eat another 3 seasons of 2 to 3 wins in the process because that is what will happen here and you all know it despite the many who still wear orange tinted specs.

ol#7
10-04-2011, 05:26 AM
The thing is with the hits and misses, how much is it because they went to the right or wrong team?

Steve Sewell
10-04-2011, 07:55 AM
That's your opinion, and if you are basic it on Mel Kiper's opinion, then you probably want to change it.

I don't need Mel Kiper's opinion, I can see it with my own eyes watching the football games.

Agamemnon
10-04-2011, 08:27 AM
I don't need Mel Kiper's opinion, I can see it with my own eyes watching the football games.

Watching college football games. Sorry, but that doesn't prove he's going to be great in the NFL. Hell, Tebow >>>> Luck as a college QB, and people want to dump him without even giving him a legitimate shot.

Circle Orange
10-04-2011, 10:00 AM
Luck = Hype

Rogers = proven NFL commodity

What I like about Aaron's game is that he can be any type of qb you wish...either athletic or pocket...and his accuracy and technique is off the charts. The only true complete package at the position in my mind right now.

gunns
10-04-2011, 02:18 PM
Too much hype about the guy. Makes me nervous

peacepipe
10-04-2011, 02:30 PM
Luck = Hype

Rogers = proven NFL commodity

What I like about Aaron's game is that he can be any type of qb you wish...either athletic or pocket...and his accuracy and technique is off the charts. The only true complete package at the position in my mind right now.

Have you watched Luck at all? you've just described luck.

epicSocialism4tw
10-04-2011, 02:46 PM
Too much hype about the guy. Makes me nervous

Ah, just shut up and drink the kool-aid.

We're trading every player worth a crap on our team, all of our draft picks for the next ten years, plus our two super bowl trophies and our handfull of HOF'ers for Luck. Deal with it.

Rohirrim
10-04-2011, 02:53 PM
Too much hype about the guy. Makes me nervous

Watch a few of his games, you'll see. Right now, his coach gives him three plays on every down. Luck does the same thing Manning does. He'll try a few snap calls and move some people around until he sees what the D is up to, then he calls the play on the line. The coach says he calls such a good game that there's no point in overriding him. Then, watch him play the game, passing, running, etc. It's pretty easy to tell.

Unfortunately, this week they're playing the Colorado Buffaloes. It won't be pretty. :pity:

elsid13
10-04-2011, 02:59 PM
Watch a few of his games, you'll see. Right now, his coach gives him three plays on every down. Luck does the same thing Manning does. He'll try a few snap calls and move some people around until he sees what the D is up to, then he calls the play on the line. The coach says he calls such a good game that there's no point in overriding him. Then, watch him play the game, passing, running, etc. It's pretty easy to tell.

Unfortunately, this week they're playing the Colorado Buffaloes. It won't be pretty. :pity:

The one thing you left out is that he running in NFL style offense and his playbook (that he has mastered) has similar complexity to what he will see next year. He is in very good position be extremely ready to step into pro game.

Some background http://weblogs.dailypress.com/sports/college/accblog/2011/01/stanfords_offense_not_exactly.html

Dedhed
10-04-2011, 05:10 PM
When I watch Luck I can't see how he will be anything but a stud in the NFL.

I bet no one has ever said that about a player who didn't pan out before.