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bloodsunday
10-03-2011, 02:14 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/10/02/week.4/index.html


9. Tim Tebow is lost at sea in the Rocky Mountains. Tebow's total offensive output in the first quarter of 2011: minus-one yard. No passes. One rush. I continue to be mystified that the 23rd-ranked offensive team in the NFL cannot find a package of plays for a fullback/wingback/quarterback/wildcat-quarterback with the determination of a Brahma bull.

bloodsunday
10-03-2011, 02:17 PM
Couldn't have said it better myself. Tebow may or may not be our best QB, but he's definitely one of our best football players. The lack of creativity in using him is one of my biggest disappointments with this team thus far. If the Jets have a package that utilizes Joe McKnight on defense, surely we can find a role for an accomplished red zone threat like Tebow.

TheReverend
10-03-2011, 02:19 PM
What's this "creativity" thing you speak of...?

2KBack
10-03-2011, 02:21 PM
Couldn't have said it better myself. Tebow may or may not be our best QB, but he's definitely one of our best football players. The lack of creativity in using him is one of my biggest disappointments with this team thus far. If the Jets have a package that utilizes Joe McKnight on defense, surely we can find a role for an accomplished red zone threat like Tebow.

I said the same thing during that game. Tebow may not be ready to be the primary passer, we've argued that to death. It doesn't make sense to not utilize the very unique skills of Tebow though. There are a wealth of potential plays that could be created. Hell, put both Tebow and Orton in the backfield, you'd never know how to play that.

Gort
10-03-2011, 02:25 PM
I said the same thing during that game. Tebow may not be ready to be the primary passer, we've argued that to death. It doesn't make sense to not utilize the very unique skills of Tebow though. There are a wealth of potential plays that could be created. Hell, put both Tebow and Orton in the backfield, you'd never know how to play that.

it might hurt Orton's feelings to have Tebow replace him deep in the redzone. Fox doesn't want Orton to have to cash his $9M paycheck with tears streaming down his face.

bloodsunday
10-03-2011, 02:52 PM
it might hurt Orton's feelings to have Tebow replace him deep in the redzone. Fox doesn't want Orton to have to cash his $9M paycheck with tears streaming down his face.

Orton has the look of a guy playing for his next payday in my opinion. Sure seems like he knows one way or another he's not a Bronco next year. I also don't buy into the crap about the morale of the team -- they all play to win the game. If Tebow helps you convert from 1st and goal at the 1, I'm sure they'd welcome that.

And, as a final rant, I don't know that I believe (any longer that is) that Orton is our best option at QB. The alleged defense is that he's a game manager that won't lose us games. Well he's made catastrophic mistakes in almost every game this year, has a QB rating of 80.1, and is on pace to throw 24 picks. That defense is null and void. Make no mistake, I was firmly on the "Orton gives us our best chance to win games" bandwagon until I watched the first quarter of this season. Watching him inexplicably just DROP THE BALL in the redzone against Oakland, throw a junk yard pick 6 to Woodson, and freak out when the pocket collapses has just made me sick. That's the kind of stuff you get from a young QB. So why not play our young QB?

DarkHorse30
10-03-2011, 03:05 PM
t9. Tim Tebow is lost at sea in the Rocky Mountains. Tebow's total offensive output in the first quarter of 2011: minus-one yard. No passes. One rush. I continue to be mystified that the 23rd-ranked offensive team in the NFL cannot find a package of plays for a fullback/wingback/quarterback/wildcat-quarterback with the determination of a Brahma bull.

this quote makes me laugh....and it nails it.

Crazy fans of Tebow......PLEASE KEEP SAYING TEBOW because it will be funny to see Fox and Elway try to explain the reason that they are being so careful with Orton's psyche.

uplink
10-03-2011, 03:05 PM
The lack of creativity in using him is one of my biggest disappointments with this team thus far. .

Its totally unacceptable to not use him. Its one of the worst decisions by a broncos team I have witnessed in my tenure as a fan since 1977. It not as if the offense is lighting it up or anything.

MacGruder
10-03-2011, 03:11 PM
Orton has the look of a guy playing for his next payday in my opinion. Sure seems like he knows one way or another he's not a Bronco next year.

I don't think so.. I think Orton knows the Broncos are the only team that will want him. It's because he has so much experience playing with the players here and in this system. He even alluded to that in his comments after the game talking about how Rodgers had so many years with his team which is why he was successful.

I can hardly believe it myself but I really really think Fox thinks Orton is a GREAT QB. Fox just loves the way Orton approaches the game.. which makes sense because he can't stand the way Tebow plays and Tebow plays the complete opposite...

If Orton isn't here next season it won't be because Fox doesn't want him here it will be because he was forced to let him go.

Another thing I think people need to realize is that we all seem to be under the impression EFX has these brilliant plans and everything is orchestrated and they are pulling the strings.. from what i am hearing I think it's the complete opposite. Elway said he doesn't like to think too far ahead.. I think they are playing all of this by the absolute seat of their pants and I don't think anyone is really calling the shots. They are very rudderless.. complete opposite of when McD was there and calling all the shots all himself.

MacGruder
10-03-2011, 03:15 PM
Its totally unacceptable to not use him. Its one of the worst decisions by a broncos team I have witnessed in my tenure as a fan since 1977. It not as if the offense is lighting it up or anything.

I agree with you.. IF Orton was an adult.

I think the coaches now may not be playing Tebow for the same reason McD didn't last season.. because then Orton has an excuse for not performing... and if the team loses and Orton stinks Orton can use Tebow playing as an excuse as will others if the lockerroom is divided.

I think if the team is successful playing Tebow makes more sense because if they fail then there is no finger pointing. Also.. if Tebow comes in in spot duty and looks great then people will just demand him even more.

edog24
10-03-2011, 03:19 PM
I don't think so.. I think Orton knows the Broncos are the only team that will want him. It's because he has so much experience playing with the players here and in this system. He even alluded to that in his comments after the game talking about how Rodgers had so many years with his team which is why he was successful.

I can hardly believe it myself but I really really think Fox thinks Orton is a GREAT QB. Fox juts loves the way Orton approaches the game.. which makes sense because he can't stand the way Tebow plays and Tebow plays the complete opposite...

If Orton isn't here next season it won't be because Fox doesn't want him here it will be because he was forced to let him go.

Another thing I think people need to realize is that we all seem to be under the impression EFX has these brilliant plans and everything is orchestrated and they are pulling the strings.. from what i am hearing I think it's the compete opposite. Elway said he doesn't like to think too far ahead.. I think they are playing all of this by the absolutely seat of their pants and I don't think anyone is really calling the shots. They are very rudderless.. complete opposite of when McD was there and calling all the shots all himself.

I agree with most of what you said, but I think any starting qb in this league could come in and do better than Orton in our system. Our system is so dumbed down to 5-15 yard passes, no rollouts, no audibles, etc, so that Orton can complete his passes.

vbplaya
10-03-2011, 03:36 PM
Just some numbers ...

- Broncos offense scored 23 against the Superbowl Champs ... (league average this year 24 ... average scored against the Packers ... 25) ...
- Packers scored ~50% more than their season average this year ...

All I gotta say is the defense needs to take Orton and Tebow out to dinner because for some reason ... NOBODY is talking about the defense ...

fontaine
10-03-2011, 03:38 PM
Peter King stopped being relevant for the Broncos when he wrote that Adrian Madise was going to be very good WR for us.

Agamemnon
10-03-2011, 03:40 PM
Just some numbers ...

- Broncos offense scored 23 against the Superbowl Champs ... (league average this year 24 ... average scored against the Packers ... 25) ...
- Packers scored ~50% more than their season average this year ...

All I gotta say is the defense needs to take Orton and Tebow out to dinner because for some reason ... NOBODY is talking about the defense ...

They suck. This has been well established. We can't bench them like we can bench Orton unfortunately.

TheReverend
10-03-2011, 03:41 PM
Just some numbers ...

- Broncos offense scored 23 against the Superbowl Champs ... (league average this year 24 ... average scored against the Packers ... 25) ...
- Packers scored ~50% more than their season average this year ...

All I gotta say is the defense needs to take Orton and Tebow out to dinner because for some reason ... NOBODY is talking about the defense ...

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=100240

BEEN talking about.

Just no one wanted to hear it because it interfered with their pom poms.

mkporter
10-03-2011, 03:43 PM
Just some numbers ...

- Broncos offense scored 23 against the Superbowl Champs ... (league average this year 24 ... average scored against the Packers ... 25) ...
- Packers scored ~50% more than their season average this year ...

All I gotta say is the defense needs to take Orton and Tebow out to dinner because for some reason ... NOBODY is talking about the defense ...

Everyone knew that the defense was going to still be pretty bad. They've at least looked to be better at times this year. They even had their moments against the Packers. The offense has regressed. Also, if the offense and special teams hadn't given the Pack 5 turnovers, maybe they'd consider taking them out to dinner.

BroncoBuff
10-03-2011, 04:01 PM
We're mystified too, Peter.

Jay3
10-03-2011, 04:11 PM
Just some numbers ...

- Broncos offense scored 23 against the Superbowl Champs ... (league average this year 24 ... average scored against the Packers ... 25) ...
- Packers scored ~50% more than their season average this year ...

All I gotta say is the defense needs to take Orton and Tebow out to dinner because for some reason ... NOBODY is talking about the defense ...

I'd like to play Tebow so the Broncos can be sure and take a defender in the first round next year.

OrangeSe7en
10-03-2011, 04:16 PM
Everyone knew that the defense was going to still be pretty bad. They've at least looked to be better at times this year. They even had their moments against the Packers. The offense has regressed. Also, if the offense and special teams hadn't given the Pack 5 turnovers, maybe they'd consider taking them out to dinner.

Actually, the defense has played well enough for us to win every game, except the Packers game.

MacGruder
10-03-2011, 04:54 PM
I'd like to play Tebow so the Broncos can be sure and take a defender in the first round next year.

What is the point of playing Tebow with Fox at coach if he won't and can't build the system around him? It seems to me one of them needs to go.. either Fox or Tebow. They can't co-exist their philosophies about how to play the game are way way way too different.

Dedhed
10-03-2011, 05:18 PM
Just some numbers ...

- Broncos offense scored 23 against the Superbowl Champs ... (league average this year 24 ... average scored against the Packers ... 25) ...
- Packers scored ~50% more than their season average this year ...

All I gotta say is the defense needs to take Orton and Tebow out to dinner because for some reason ... NOBODY is talking about the defense ...

So...what you're saying is...we shouldn't be focused on the QB who's worse than last year, we should be focused on how bad our improved defense is?

mkporter
10-03-2011, 05:22 PM
All you need to know about Peter King, from the same story:


Rookie of the Quarter: Cam Newton, QB, Carolina. Carolina put up 543 yards on Chicago, in Chicago, Sunday. I can't fathom these video game numbers that Newton is making possible. There has been no quarterback who has entered the league in its 92-year history and had the impact Newton has had in his rookie quarter-season. With passing games of 422, 432 and 374 so far, Newton is erasing the stigma that young quarterbacks -- even rookies without the benefit of an offseason program to learn the offense instead of having it force-fed in six weeks -- can't be ready to take the reins of a bad team in the first game of their pro careers.

2. Andy Dalton, QB, Cincinnati; 3. (tie) Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Washington; Dan Bailey, K, Dallas.



Notice any omissions? A ****ing kicker, pete? Really?

Dedhed
10-03-2011, 05:27 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=100240

BEEN talking about.

Just no one wanted to hear it because it interfered with their pom poms.

If a defense that is ranked 23rd against the pass and 12th against the run "Sucks". What do we call a QB that ranks 23rd in the league in passing?

TheReverend
10-03-2011, 05:27 PM
All you need to know about Peter King, from the same story:

Notice any omissions? A ****ing kicker, pete? Really?

The kicker inclusion is ABSOLUTELY absurd, but DramaLlama wigged out on me for something similar.

The media is always going to drool over QBs, and the east coast is going to love their guys. Miller has an uphill battle vs Kerrigan for that reason and will HAVE to come out with a significant edge statistically to win DROY.

As for now Miller pulled a 1 sack advantage, but is still an interception and a TD behind. Seven points is a big deal.

And this is just for people who give a crap about pointless accolades anyway.

TheReverend
10-03-2011, 05:29 PM
If a defense that is ranked 23rd against the pass and 12th against the run "Sucks". What do we call a QB that ranks 23rd in the league in passing?

A bottom third defense in yards and a #29 in points sucks, yes.

...And when I have defended Orton?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-03-2011, 05:55 PM
it might hurt Orton's feelings to have Tebow replace him deep in the redzone. Fox doesn't want Orton to have to cash his $9M paycheck with tears streaming down his face.

Like 99% of what you post, this is just total bull**** and conjecture on your part.

Keep up the bad work.

Taco John
10-03-2011, 05:56 PM
Just some numbers ...

- Broncos offense scored 23 against the Superbowl Champs ... (league average this year 24 ... average scored against the Packers ... 25) ...
- Packers scored ~50% more than their season average this year ...

All I gotta say is the defense needs to take Orton and Tebow out to dinner because for some reason ... NOBODY is talking about the defense ...


Defense didn't throw the pick 6 that put the game out of reach...

TheElusiveKyleOrton
10-03-2011, 05:57 PM
Defense didn't throw the pick 6 that put the game out of reach...

Defense also didn't fumble the ball at the goalline that would have kept the game competitive.

Rock Chalk
10-03-2011, 06:40 PM
If a defense that is ranked 23rd against the pass and 12th against the run "Sucks". What do we call a QB that ranks 23rd in the league in passing?

Let's be real here.

THe knock on Orton is that when the game is on the line he chokes yes?

Well, when the game is on the line our defense is going to do 1 of 2 things 99 times out of 100. Allow a TD or a first down. 3rd and 13? ****ing guaranteed first down.

Give the ball back to the Pack with hardly any time in the second half down by 4 points, let's give up a TD. Yeah, thats what we are going to do. Give up a TD and go into half time knowing they get the ball first in the second half.

Game 1. Orton sucks balls all game, defense keeps us in it. Finally Orton pulls his head out of his ass and leads the team down the field when the game was on the line to get us a TD with time left. All we need is the defense to get a stop. What happens? Run, run run first down. KNOWING it was going to be runs, we couldnt stop it.

Cincy, yep that was that 1 time out of 100 where our defense actually held tough against a rookie QB and a **** team. Awesome.

Tennessee. late 4th quarter lead. Their defense steps up and gets stops. Our defense folds like a vag and allows a 91 ****ing yard TD drive.

I mean, its fair to know Orton's ****ty play. But dont give me bull**** stats about this defense ranking 12th against the run. We've played ONE good run team this year (CJ has sucked against everyone) and we got completely destroyed on the ground. We played ONE great pass team this year, and we got completely destroyed in the secondary.

Bench Orton for Tebow, it wont fix the problems with the defense and in fact MIGHT make matters worse. Although I guess it really cant, you lose by 1 or 50 you still only get one loss a week. But to claim our defense is improved when we havent stopped any decent team when it matters most is ludicrous.

To further make the point, Oakland and Tennessee had near record penalties against them and our defense STILL failed to make big plays at the end of those games.

That is not to say, in anyway, that Orton is blameless. Far FAR from it. So dont twist it. I just knew some douchebag was going to claim this defense was improved when its clearly still ****.

Gort
10-03-2011, 06:43 PM
Like 99% of what you post, this is just total bull**** and conjecture on your part.

Keep up the bad work.

you are pathetic. i'm laughing at you. i'm laughing out loud. i even rolled on the floor while laughing at you. i think my ass fell off too.

if only there were some quick way to type that on the interwebs. hmmmm... i must investigate. surely, there is big $$$ to be made with this idea.

2KBack
10-03-2011, 07:00 PM
Defense didn't throw the pick 6 that put the game out of reach...

14-3 is out of reach? You do realize it was 17-21 at one point, and the defense didn't get a single stop until GB had over 40

Punisher
10-03-2011, 07:07 PM
Just make the kid a RB already this is taking to long

BMarsh615
10-03-2011, 07:36 PM
We have ran the ball pretty decently this season compared to the last two. I think we have only been stuffed in short yardage once or twice so far... I really don't get why everybody whines for Tebow to start, I'm not a huge Orton fan but he is a better QB right now. I'm OK with Tebow warming the bench until he is ready. Would be nice to watch Tebow play but I think you are kidding yourself if you think Tebow is a better QB right now than Orton is.

Jay3
10-03-2011, 07:46 PM
What is the point of playing Tebow with Fox at coach if he won't and can't build the system around him? It seems to me one of them needs to go.. either Fox or Tebow. They can't co-exist their philosophies about how to play the game are way way way too different.

The point is, he'd be playing. It's better than not playing.


Tebow's window is closing. He needs to get out there and fling it. Get some tape. Nothing good is going to happen with him on the bench.

If he's traded, it will be to go be a backup and maybe (if he's lucky) compete for starter. And Fox isn't going anywhere.

The way things are headed, Tebow is going to be in a training camp battle with some draft pick that the coaching staff has staked their careers on.

55CrushEm
10-03-2011, 07:54 PM
you are pathetic. i'm laughing at you. i'm laughing out loud. i even rolled on the floor while laughing at you. i think my ass fell off too.

if only there were some quick way to type that on the interwebs. hmmmm... i must investigate. surely, there is big $$$ to be made with this idea.

Ha!

HAT
10-03-2011, 08:04 PM
Tebow's window is closing.

Hilarious!

Broncoman13
10-03-2011, 08:30 PM
Let's be real here.

THe knock on Orton is that when the game is on the line he chokes yes?

Well, when the game is on the line our defense is going to do 1 of 2 things 99 times out of 100. Allow a TD or a first down. 3rd and 13? ****ing guaranteed first down.

Give the ball back to the Pack with hardly any time in the second half down by 4 points, let's give up a TD. Yeah, thats what we are going to do. Give up a TD and go into half time knowing they get the ball first in the second half.

Game 1. Orton sucks balls all game, defense keeps us in it. Finally Orton pulls his head out of his ass and leads the team down the field when the game was on the line to get us a TD with time left. All we need is the defense to get a stop. What happens? Run, run run first down. KNOWING it was going to be runs, we couldnt stop it.

Cincy, yep that was that 1 time out of 100 where our defense actually held tough against a rookie QB and a **** team. Awesome.

Tennessee. late 4th quarter lead. Their defense steps up and gets stops. Our defense folds like a vag and allows a 91 ****ing yard TD drive.

I mean, its fair to know Orton's ****ty play. But dont give me bull**** stats about this defense ranking 12th against the run. We've played ONE good run team this year (CJ has sucked against everyone) and we got completely destroyed on the ground. We played ONE great pass team this year, and we got completely destroyed in the secondary.

Bench Orton for Tebow, it wont fix the problems with the defense and in fact MIGHT make matters worse. Although I guess it really cant, you lose by 1 or 50 you still only get one loss a week. But to claim our defense is improved when we havent stopped any decent team when it matters most is ludicrous.

To further make the point, Oakland and Tennessee had near record penalties against them and our defense STILL failed to make big plays at the end of those games.

That is not to say, in anyway, that Orton is blameless. Far FAR from it. So dont twist it. I just knew some douchebag was going to claim this defense was improved when its clearly still ****.

All very good points. But sometimes you need the offense to help out the defense. Not saying that Tebow can do that, but it is clear that Orton cannot.

Dedhed
10-03-2011, 08:51 PM
Orton suckfest and pick six leads packers to 21-3 lead. Packers fall asleep. Orton pads stats. Packers wake up, score TDs. Orton again becomes inept and turns the ball over again.

It's as predictable at this point as the sun coming up.

Archer81
10-03-2011, 08:55 PM
Defense didn't throw the pick 6 that put the game out of reach...


The game was in reach?


:Broncos:

broncocalijohn
10-03-2011, 09:19 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=100240

BEEN talking about.

Just no one wanted to hear it because it interfered with their pom poms.

I think most know that it isnt good but it seems to be better than last year and with Bailey, DJ and Bailey out for many games, there is that built in excuse. Hell, I am using it. We are about a third of the way there in sacks from 2010 which is a slight improvement.

SleepingTiger
10-04-2011, 05:44 AM
This article is full of **** and Peter King is an absolute moron.

Rookie of the Quarter: Cam Newton, QB, Carolina. Carolina put up 543 yards on Chicago, in Chicago, Sunday. I can't fathom these video game numbers that Newton is making possible. There has been no quarterback who has entered the league in its 92-year history and had the impact Newton has had in his rookie quarter-season. With passing games of 422, 432 and 374 so far, Newton is erasing the stigma that young quarterbacks -- even rookies without the benefit of an offseason program to learn the offense instead of having it force-fed in six weeks -- can't be ready to take the reins of a bad team in the first game of their pro careers.
2. Andy Dalton, QB, Cincinnati; 3. (tie) Ryan Kerrigan, DE, Washington; Dan Bailey, K, Dallas.


Are you serious? A stupid kicker is rated #3 for rookie of the quarter. I'll go with Cam, I might even consider Dalton and Kerrigan, but a freakin kicker? Where is Von??

MacGruder
10-04-2011, 06:08 AM
The point is, he'd be playing. It's better than not playing.


Tebow's window is closing. He needs to get out there and fling it. Get some tape. Nothing good is going to happen with him on the bench.

If he's traded, it will be to go be a backup and maybe (if he's lucky) compete for starter. And Fox isn't going anywhere.

The way things are headed, Tebow is going to be in a training camp battle with some draft pick that the coaching staff has staked their careers on.

Jay, you are familiar with Fox.. If Fox and Orton were both in Carolina with Cam do you think Fox plays Orton over Cam like he does Tebow? Even with what you have seen from Cam?

TotallyScrewed
10-04-2011, 07:58 AM
Let's be real here.

THe knock on Orton is that when the game is on the line he chokes yes?

Well, when the game is on the line our defense is going to do 1 of 2 things 99 times out of 100. Allow a TD or a first down. 3rd and 13? ****ing guaranteed first down.

Give the ball back to the Pack with hardly any time in the second half down by 4 points, let's give up a TD. Yeah, thats what we are going to do. Give up a TD and go into half time knowing they get the ball first in the second half.

Game 1. Orton sucks balls all game, defense keeps us in it. Finally Orton pulls his head out of his ass and leads the team down the field when the game was on the line to get us a TD with time left. All we need is the defense to get a stop. What happens? Run, run run first down. KNOWING it was going to be runs, we couldnt stop it.

Cincy, yep that was that 1 time out of 100 where our defense actually held tough against a rookie QB and a **** team. Awesome.

Tennessee. late 4th quarter lead. Their defense steps up and gets stops. Our defense folds like a vag and allows a 91 ****ing yard TD drive.

I mean, its fair to know Orton's ****ty play. But dont give me bull**** stats about this defense ranking 12th against the run. We've played ONE good run team this year (CJ has sucked against everyone) and we got completely destroyed on the ground. We played ONE great pass team this year, and we got completely destroyed in the secondary.

Bench Orton for Tebow, it wont fix the problems with the defense and in fact MIGHT make matters worse. Although I guess it really cant, you lose by 1 or 50 you still only get one loss a week. But to claim our defense is improved when we havent stopped any decent team when it matters most is ludicrous.

To further make the point, Oakland and Tennessee had near record penalties against them and our defense STILL failed to make big plays at the end of those games.

That is not to say, in anyway, that Orton is blameless. Far FAR from it. So dont twist it. I just knew some douchebag was going to claim this defense was improved when its clearly still ****.

My thoughts were that Cincy and Tenn were trying hard to give the game away and only Cincy succeeded at doing that.

Denver's defense isn't any good.

Denver's offense isn't any good.

strafen
10-04-2011, 08:30 AM
you are pathetic. i'm laughing at you. i'm laughing out loud. i even rolled on the floor while laughing at you. i think my ass fell off too.

if only there were some quick way to type that on the interwebs. hmmmm... i must investigate. surely, there is big $$$ to be made with this idea.Hilarious! LOL ROFL! Ha! :strong:

Tombstone RJ
10-04-2011, 08:36 AM
Let's be real here.

THe knock on Orton is that when the game is on the line he chokes yes?

Well, when the game is on the line our defense is going to do 1 of 2 things 99 times out of 100. Allow a TD or a first down. 3rd and 13? ****ing guaranteed first down.

Give the ball back to the Pack with hardly any time in the second half down by 4 points, let's give up a TD. Yeah, thats what we are going to do. Give up a TD and go into half time knowing they get the ball first in the second half.

Game 1. Orton sucks balls all game, defense keeps us in it. Finally Orton pulls his head out of his ass and leads the team down the field when the game was on the line to get us a TD with time left. All we need is the defense to get a stop. What happens? Run, run run first down. KNOWING it was going to be runs, we couldnt stop it.

Cincy, yep that was that 1 time out of 100 where our defense actually held tough against a rookie QB and a **** team. Awesome.

Tennessee. late 4th quarter lead. Their defense steps up and gets stops. Our defense folds like a vag and allows a 91 ****ing yard TD drive.

I mean, its fair to know Orton's ****ty play. But dont give me bull**** stats about this defense ranking 12th against the run. We've played ONE good run team this year (CJ has sucked against everyone) and we got completely destroyed on the ground. We played ONE great pass team this year, and we got completely destroyed in the secondary.

Bench Orton for Tebow, it wont fix the problems with the defense and in fact MIGHT make matters worse. Although I guess it really cant, you lose by 1 or 50 you still only get one loss a week. But to claim our defense is improved when we havent stopped any decent team when it matters most is ludicrous.

To further make the point, Oakland and Tennessee had near record penalties against them and our defense STILL failed to make big plays at the end of those games.

That is not to say, in anyway, that Orton is blameless. Far FAR from it. So dont twist it. I just knew some douchebag was going to claim this defense was improved when its clearly still ****.

but the defense is better. Yah Aaron Rogers lit it up but Bailey was out too. Everyone knew that GB was gonna score, Rogers is just too good of a QB. That being said Orton did not "elevate" his game.

He's the same old, same old. It doesn't matter if its the SB champs or the local HS team. He is what he is.

Mr. Elway
10-04-2011, 12:24 PM
14-3 is out of reach? You do realize it was 17-21 at one point, and the defense didn't get a single stop until GB had over 40

Out of reach at 14-3: With Orton as your QB, the stats support exactly that conclusion.

Plus: Assume for a minute that Orton didn't throw that pick 6 and instead did what's required in a game like this - score a TD on that drive. Assuming everything else had unfolded as it did already, we'd have been tied at the half. You don't think that's critical? That pick 6 was an absolute killer to our only chance in the game.

Also we did have two stops in the first half. First quarter Dawkins had that 4th down stop, and 2nd quarter Miller sacked Rodgers and they went 3 and out.

We got our butts kicked by Rodgers but the pick 6 and the Fells fumble were the critical plays that put the game out of reach.

MacGruder
10-04-2011, 01:06 PM
We got our butts kicked by Rodgers but the pick 6 and the Fells fumble were the critical plays that put the game out of reach.

And it isn't like this was some fluke by Orton... he ALWAYS makes some stupid un-clutch plays like this and is NEVER more explosive than his opposing QB... he is also ULTRA conservative. IF you play that conservative you shouldn't be plagued by weird turnovers... I think that is why he is so conservative because he knows if he wasn't it would be very obvious how bad he is.

ScottXray
10-04-2011, 01:10 PM
Out of reach at 14-3: With Orton as your QB, the stats support exactly that conclusion.

Plus: Assume for a minute that Orton didn't throw that pick 6 and instead did what's required in a game like this - score a TD on that drive. Assuming everything else had unfolded as it did already, we'd have been tied at the half. You don't think that's critical? That pick 6 was an absolute killer to our only chance in the game.

Also we did have two stops in the first half. First quarter Dawkins had that 4th down stop, and 2nd quarter Miller sacked Rodgers and they went 3 and out.

We got our butts kicked by Rodgers but the pick 6 and the Fells fumble were the critical plays that put the game out of reach.

In addition the defense got a stop on third down that was negated by a phantom PI call on Willhite (?) in the third quarter. The commentators even mentioned that there was no PI , because you are allowed to place your hand on the receivers back , and that is all the defender did, then knocking the ball away without turning the receiver.

Frankly the officiating was home team all game, to include the second rush TD by Rodgers , which call ( down before the Goal) was OVERTURNED on replay with absolutely no reason to do so. I thought it was supposed to be overwhelming evidence and every replay I saw should his left knee Down before the ball crossed the line.

Now of course they would have scored anyway, but the overturn infuriated me.

keef
10-04-2011, 01:30 PM
Big moment in the game: 16 minutes to play, Colts up 17-10, Bucs with a fourth-and-one at the Indy 24. Morris eschews the field goal. Sends backup quarterback Josh Johnson in the game. Johnson slithers/sprints for eight. First down. Three plays later, Josh Freeman throws the tying touchdown pass. That's a smart way to use your roster. I wonder if the Broncos' staff was watching right about then.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/10/04/Bucs/index.html#ixzz1ZqZhTCwT

TheReverend
10-04-2011, 01:32 PM
Big moment in the game: 16 minutes to play, Colts up 17-10, Bucs with a fourth-and-one at the Indy 24. Morris eschews the field goal. Sends backup quarterback Josh Johnson in the game. Johnson slithers/sprints for eight. First down. Three plays later, Josh Freeman throws the tying touchdown pass. That's a smart way to use your roster. I wonder if the Broncos' staff was watching right about then.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/10/04/Bucs/index.html#ixzz1ZqZhTCwT

Boom. Roasted.

broncocalijohn
10-04-2011, 01:32 PM
Orton suckfest and pick six leads packers to 21-3 lead. Packers fall asleep. Orton pads stats. Packers wake up, score TDs. Orton again becomes inept and turns the ball over again.

It's as predictable at this point as the sun coming up.

Bad enough we have someone claiming that the window for Tebow is closing (yet Rodgers, Favre and Young still had enough of a window to shine), now you can claim and I am sure back it up that the Packers defense fell asleep and that is the reason Orton had two TDs. It is one thing to hate on a guy but another when he does something good and you make a ****ing stupid and moronic post like that. You would be more believable when you can give credit where credit is due instead of being a blind hater. Let me know where the proof of falling asleep on defense for the Packers. When you can show me all the 2nd and 3rd string scrubs in during that time, you will have been correct on your point. I won't hold my breath.