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UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
09-30-2011, 09:16 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20113817-503544.html

President Obama is pushing Congress to vote on his $447 billion jobs plan as soon as possible, but a Democratic leader on the Senate said Thursday that they don't have to votes to pass it yet.


Asked whether Senate Democrats have the 60 votes necessary to break a filibuster, Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin said, "Not at the moment, I don't think we do but, uh, we can work on it."


Durbin explained in an interview with WLS Radio why it's not just Republicans opposed to the president's plan.


"The oil-producing state senators don't like eliminating or reducing the subsidy for oil companies," he said. "There are some senators who are up for election who say I'm never gonna vote for a tax increase while I'm up for election, even on the wealthiest people. So, we're not gonna have 100 percent Democratic senators. That's why it needs to be bi-partisan and I hope we can find some Republicans who will join us to make it happen."


More than half of the president's "American Jobs Act" is made up of tax cuts for working Americans and small businesses. The legislative package also includes spending initiatives in areas like infrastructure. Mr. Obama has laid out a plan to pay for the legislation that relies mostly on collecting more taxes from corporations and the wealthy.


Both progressive and moderate Democrats have expressed concerns about the bill.


Progressive Rep. Peter DeFazio of Oregon told CBS News he's opposed to all the tax cuts. "Half of it is tax cuts, and quite frankly tax cuts don't work," he said. "We've been doing tax cuts for 11 years."


Moderate Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia said he doesn't like the price tag. "The ugly part of that act is $450 billion of spending, after we've spent, spent, spent," he said.


Mr. Obama, meanwhile, has been selling his plan to voters across the country. "What on Earth are you waiting for?" he asked Congress before a crowd in Denver on Tuesday. "Let's get to work."





http://www.wlsam.com/Article.asp?id=2298499&spid=

On Tuesday, President Barack Obama tried to keep the pressure on Congress to consider his nearly $450 billion jobs bill, saying it had been two weeks since he sent the bill to Capitol Hill "and now I want it back."

"I want it back, passed, so I can sign this bill and start putting people back to work," Obama said Tuesday.
So why have Democrats delayed action in the U.S. Senate on President Obama’s stimulus bill?

LISTEN: Hear Sen. Dick Durbin's Comments - Click Here

WLS Radio’s Bill Cameron reports his own party has delayed action in the Senate and talked with Senator Dick Durbin, the number two Democrat in the Senate, about the reason why.

“The oil-producing state senators don’t like eliminating or reducing the subsidy for oil companies, “ Durbin tells WLS Radio, “There are some senators who are up for election who say I’m never gonna vote for a tax increase while I’m up for election, even on the wealthiest people. So, we’re not gonna have 100% Democratic senators. That’s why it needs to be bi-partisan and I hope we can find some Republicans who will join us to make it happen.”

But so far, Durbin concedes Democrats don’t have the votes in the senate to pass it, “Not at the moment, I don’t think we do but, uh, we can work on it.”

There has been no clear sign that his campaign for his bill is winning over Republicans in Congress whose support he needs.



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Rohirrim
10-01-2011, 07:21 AM
Yep. It's far more important that the oil industry keep its subsidies than it is to put Americans back to work. The Right Wingers are so incredibly stupid that they support the corporations who are offshoring their jobs, and getting government subsidies to do it. :rofl:

Rigs11
10-01-2011, 10:16 AM
So the repubs keep pointing out unemployment numbers,keep screaming for tax cuts.Obama has a plan that reduces taxes and the repubs have a problem?then you have genius hobo here boasting that the dems don't have the votes to break a filibuster.another prime example of repubs putting party before country.yay

cutthemdown
10-01-2011, 12:29 PM
Just because you call a tax raise a jobs bill doesn't make it one riggs. it's just more govt spending and more govt taking even more Americans money. Even the dems in Congresa aren't all behind it so it's not partisan completely.

Obama could stick some lipstick on a pig and you would be asking it to dance.

cutthemdown
10-01-2011, 12:31 PM
Its already been proven that Obama's jobs bills, his spending bills, his stimulus BS has a horrible jobs to how much they spend ratio. Whats the ratio on this new one? I read 200 grand per job. Be better off just doing a lottery for the middle class and giving the 200 grand a way to the winners.

cutthemdown
10-01-2011, 12:31 PM
Spending 200 grand to give some guy a 50 thousand dollar a yr job is just so stupid its beyond belief.

peacepipe
10-01-2011, 12:58 PM
Spending 200 grand to give some guy a 50 thousand dollar a yr job is just so stupid its beyond belief.except for those who get the job.

cutthemdown
10-01-2011, 01:09 PM
except for those who get the job.

I guess. Ask those same people if they would rather just have the 200 grand though.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
10-01-2011, 01:32 PM
So the repubs keep pointing out unemployment numbers,keep screaming for tax cuts.Obama has a plan that reduces taxes and the repubs have a problem?then you have genius hobo here boasting that the dems don't have the votes to break a filibuster.another prime example of repubs putting party before country.yay

Still don't get it. Keep trying.

peacepipe
10-01-2011, 01:40 PM
I guess. Ask those same people if they would rather just have the 200 grand though.

let me ask this question, where do you get the 200,000 per job ratio?

are aware of the cost of everythingelse,when putting in a bid for a job to build a bridge & the bid is $10,000,000.00. the manpower needed to buid the brige is 100 man/women. that's a 100,000.00 per job. the only problem with that,is that once you include the cost for the steel,concrete,wiring,permits, etc allyour left with is about 10% of that bid. In the building of any structure roughly 10% of the cost goes to labor.1 million of this bridge will be attributed to labor. now divide that over 100 jobs & it's only 10,000 per job,which the bid for the job also included the fact that it will be built in 3-4 months. the 200,000 per job ratio is the fuzzy math equation that the right uses is to make any jobs plan sound overbloated. they act as if all the material,such as crains(crains are usually rented,the cost of a crain can go from 125,000-165,000 dollars a month) aren't accounted for in the cost of a project.

Spider
10-01-2011, 01:42 PM
So the repubs keep pointing out unemployment numbers,keep screaming for tax cuts.Obama has a plan that reduces taxes and the repubs have a problem?then you have genius hobo here boasting that the dems don't have the votes to break a filibuster.another prime example of repubs putting party before country.yay

^5

TheDave
10-01-2011, 01:53 PM
People may want to investigate how "200 K per job" is calculated...

My fear is that this resembles something along the lines of (Total Costs / Jobs created).

EDIT: Just saw Peacepipes post... What he said. ;D

cutthemdown
10-01-2011, 09:34 PM
Dems complaining about fuzzy math is funny. Without a bunch of BS in the healthcare bill they would have never been able to make it budget neutral and pass through reconcilliation. Jobs created divided by money spent about the best way to do it. It shows the govt is about the worst business in the world to spend money effectively.

peacepipe
10-01-2011, 10:18 PM
Dems complaining about fuzzy math is funny. Without a bunch of BS in the healthcare bill they would have never been able to make it budget neutral and pass through reconcilliation. Jobs created divided by money spent about the best way to do it. It shows the govt is about the worst business in the world to spend money effectively.

you're pathetic,you got nothing. you can't even put a coherent post together.

UltimateHoboW/Shotgun
10-02-2011, 07:07 AM
you're pathetic,you got nothing. you can't even put a coherent post together.

Prove it.

Requiem
10-02-2011, 08:57 AM
Prove it.

You are 35 years old. Stop acting like it is your Sweet 16.

TheDave
10-02-2011, 11:07 AM
Dems complaining about fuzzy math is funny. Without a bunch of BS in the healthcare bill they would have never been able to make it budget neutral and pass through reconcilliation. Jobs created divided by money spent about the best way to do it. It shows the govt is about the worst business in the world to spend money effectively.

Were not complaining about math... just the accounting used. If 200K per job is calculated by (Total Costs / Jobs created), then that isn't "fuzzy math" it's someone who either on purpose or by accident does not understand basic finance/accounting.

So which is it Cutt? Are you purposefully or accidently ignorant to the legitimate issue peacepipe brought up?