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epicSocialism4tw
09-29-2011, 10:54 PM
"Truthfully, the most exciting game in recent Broncos history was the Houston game last year. For the only time in 17 games (stretching from 2009 to last Sunday), the Broncos came back from a deficit of three or more points at halftime - to win. Who was the quarterback in that game and who scored the winning touchdown? I don't have to say his name."

http://www.denverpost.com/woodysmailbag/ci_18998448

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Popps
09-29-2011, 11:00 PM
I can't sleep at night.

Bronco Boy
09-29-2011, 11:01 PM
I can't sleep at night.

Ambien?

DBroncos4life
09-29-2011, 11:02 PM
"Truthfully, the most exciting game in recent Tim Tebow history was the Houston game last year. For the only time in 17 games (stretching from 2009 to last Sunday), the Broncos came back from a deficit of three or more points at halftime - to win. Who was the quarterback in that game and who scored the winning touchdown? I don't have to say his name."

http://www.denverpost.com/woodysmailbag/ci_18998448

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Fixed

OBF1
09-29-2011, 11:07 PM
I have to agree... I am not into the team as much as I have been the past 34 seasons. Seeing a serious problem at QB and the team does zero to address the issue...except feed me as a fan the corporate line of BS.

broncosteven
09-29-2011, 11:12 PM
I don't care who sparks the better QB play but one of the 3 bumms on the roster need to be able to elevate their game to the point that it is clear they are the best QB for the team. Orton failed, hoping Timbo gets a shot to see what he has and if Timbo failes then give Quinn the last third of the year to prove he should lead the Broncos in 2012 and beyond.

Dagmar
09-29-2011, 11:16 PM
You and I differ on a lot of topics but it's true, there is no spark anymore. The 3 games to end last year were amazing, even though I knew we'd likely lose 2 of 3. Annouce Tebow for this weekend? Suddenly I care.

Right now it's watch an anemic QB who doesn't care about the Broncos play for fans who don't care about him.

Can you imagine Orton with something that gears the fans up like the Championship belt celebration Rodgers pulls? Yeah, it's dumb, but give me that or Tebow's mindblowing celebration when he won the Houston game for us.

Elway, you have not brought excitement back, you are currently hurting your legacy, not helping it.

SoCalBronco
09-29-2011, 11:18 PM
You're doing a heck of a job, old man.

Dagmar
09-29-2011, 11:19 PM
Maybe Marino had the right idea when he did this job for 2 weeks and quit.

epicSocialism4tw
09-29-2011, 11:27 PM
The Bronco fans letters that prompted Woody's excellent response in the article above (be sure to click the link and check it out):

Woody, I attended my first Broncos game as a kid and have been hooked since. When my family moved to Salt Lake City, I still never missed a game, since they were televised. When I was in law school in San Francisco, you could find me at a bar watching every game. For 16 straight years I attended at least one home game each season. But the streak ended last year. I have never been more apathetic. Broncos' games are not broadcast in Salt Lake anymore, and I don't really care. They are so boring. That's the worst part. Boring. Will I ever care again? Is there any hope?
---Corper, Salt Lake City
Woodman: I've been a Broncos fan since the days of Steve Tensi to Al Denson. Had seasons tickets John Elway's rookie year (South Stands). I've never been more apathetic about the Broncos. I don't dislike Kyle Orton, I'm sure he's a nice person. I believe he can take us to the promised land of mediocrity. Please give me a glimmer of hope (maybe he's standing on the sidelines, maybe not). I just know I'm caring less and less. Is there a silver lining?
---Tom, Tennessee


Read more: Woody's Mailbag: Broncos fans growing bored, apathetic - The Denver Post (http://www.denverpost.com/woodysmailbag/ci_18998448#ixzz1ZPWJqEQ4) http://www.denverpost.com/woodysmailbag/ci_18998448#ixzz1ZPWJqEQ4

Dagmar
09-29-2011, 11:29 PM
I rewatched, man - 1:20 - Orton is in the fetal position crying and we have lost yards. I HATE EFX at this point.

SoCalBronco
09-29-2011, 11:30 PM
Maybe Marino had the right idea when he did this job for 2 weeks and quit.

As a practical matter, for PR purposes that can't happen here, although perhaps John could slowly fade away into the background as the marketing guy rather than the football chief. That would be ideal. I don't want him to be tarnished in any way so I don't want to see it end badly, but at the same time, I absolutely don't want him running the ship, either and that's been the view of some of us from the very beginning (and even before that).

This is a serious cutthroat business. There are sharks everywhere and they can smell the blood in the water with our FO. We've already been punked by a few other FOs. It's simply not an appropriate response to say that he'll learn on the job. That's not what we do here, especially not when we're trying to climb out of hell. It's hard enough as it is. I don't blame Elway here, he's genuinely interested in making this team better and he's working hard, but hard work is necessary, but not sufficient. You need to know the process, the intracacies, the business, the negotiation, how to work situations, we don't have that. Nor has he been equipped with a proper, high quality staff, either. So I don't blame him, its not his fault, but there has to be a real proven GM, bottom line. This is on Bowlen, as usual. His arrogance and condescension to the fans is totally manifested here. "No, there aren't problems, look over here, its John Elway, its all better now, he played against these guys for 16 years, so ofcourse he knows what to look for.....its John Elway!"

This arose because of Bowlen's complete lack of respect for the intelligence of fans and now he's getting raped for it (which is good). Maybe he'll learn his lesson one of these days. Don't hold your breath, stupidity is his MO.

epicSocialism4tw
09-29-2011, 11:32 PM
You can argue all day about whether or not you think that Tebow will make it as a QB in the NFL, but one thing is for sure and thats that he's an incredibly exciting player who has a propensity for the big play.

Dagmar
09-29-2011, 11:34 PM
Watching that video makes me want to ****ING scream. I cannot believe they won't let this kid play.

teknic
09-29-2011, 11:38 PM
"Truthfully, the most exciting game in recent Broncos history was the Houston game last year. For the only time in 17 games (stretching from 2009 to last Sunday), the Broncos came back from a deficit of three or more points at halftime - to win. Who was the quarterback in that game and who scored the winning touchdown? I don't have to say his name."

http://www.denverpost.com/woodysmailbag/ci_18998448

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I said a month or two ago that we need the Tebow mic'd up video back on the OM main page, it's too soon people forget what Tebow did for us last year. Orton was playing the exact same garbage, Tebow came in and our offense became more dynamic and exciting.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-29-2011, 11:40 PM
The Better Bronco Fans of America would like you to extend some level-headed patience with Orton. He could elevate his game to managerial status with the proper support.

epicSocialism4tw
09-29-2011, 11:40 PM
Watching Tebow is a little like watching Barry Sanders or Michael Vick.

He may make a bad play, but you know that he's going to make an exciting and unexpected successful play to match it.

extralife
09-29-2011, 11:43 PM
fresh take on an interesting and underexposed issue

epicSocialism4tw
09-29-2011, 11:46 PM
fresh take on an interesting and underexposed issue

You have to love the guys who don't like a thread so they take the time to click the link, click "reply to thread", type a response, and then click "submit".

And there are 1:1 odds that you'll come back to this thread.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-29-2011, 11:47 PM
Watching Tebow is a little like watching Barry Sanders or Michael Vick.

He may make a bad play, but you know that he's going to make an exciting and unexpected successful play to match it.

Orton gives this team the best chance to win. Besides... since when was football supposed to be exciting?

epicSocialism4tw
09-29-2011, 11:58 PM
What Fox doesnt know yet is that Broncos fans know that Tebow is an exciting player.

Watching Tebow storm the goal line in the second half of the Texans game last year was by far the most exciting thing to happen since Cutler left, and that kind of exciting comeback hadn't happened since The Duke himself used to pull off the impossible.

Broncos fans felt that with Tebow. They felt that moment of excitement that the impossible had happened, and that this joyous fighter was going to play like that every time he took a snap.

And yet they wonder why fans are upset with watching Roborton lose games? They had been telling fans that roborton gave the team the best chance to win, but then the Broncos lose two games because of roborton mistakes in critical moments. If they expected to lose, why not get Tebow the reps and get fans excited and hopeful about the team again?

Dagmar
09-30-2011, 12:02 AM
I believe instead of roborton we're calling him pocket sloth these days...

Mile High Mojoe
09-30-2011, 12:02 AM
I know exactly what you mean. I'm not going to watch the Packers game live. Instead I'll watch the better games on the Sunday Ticket. I'll watch the Broncos late Sunday evening so I can fast forward through the slaughter which will undoubtedly include seeing Orton sacked 5 times and the Broncos getting creamed by at least 14 to 21 points. Since the Broncos Secondary won't be able to stop Rodgers and company and since the Broncos O can't put points on the board it seems pointless.

Until Orton is yanked I'm not sure I'll waste my time watching another game live until Tebow finally gets his job. The DVR has been my best friend the last 3 years, without it life on Sunday would be a living hell.

yerner
09-30-2011, 12:06 AM
get over it.

epicSocialism4tw
09-30-2011, 12:07 AM
I believe instead of roborton we're calling him pocket sloth these days...

Roborton was a contextual metaphoric moniker.

I was going to use robo-orton, but they just bookended so well. ;D

I guess a sloth is quite boring too, but not for me because they were one of the most fascinating vertebrate mammals I studied in biology. If you watch a sloth move, its incredible. Their muscle control is so fine. Every move is calculated like a ballistics problem and they manipulate their body position so precisely to put themselves in a position to accomplish exactly the kind of movement that they need to execute. Plus...they always look like theyre smiling. ;D

houghtam
09-30-2011, 12:25 AM
Watching Tebow is a little like watching Barry Sanders or Michael Vick.

He may make a bad play, but you know that he's going to make an exciting and unexpected successful play to match it.

I was in my youth when Sanders played, and always thought it was amazing that even though the Lions were headed for a 7-9 to 9-7 season under Fontes, the Silverdome was still packed.

Then I saw him play live.

Sure, the ultimate goal is to win as many games as you can. But if "as many games as you can" with Orton is 6, why not win 4 and bring the excitement back to the team that's been missing for 12 years?

Mile High Mojoe
09-30-2011, 12:38 AM
Orton gives this team the best chance to win. Besides... since when was football supposed to be exciting?

Epic fail on both counts.

vancejohnson82
09-30-2011, 12:50 AM
****in clowns...

yea...like the win to 6-0 wasnt fun against the Pats in OT

Mile High Mojoe
09-30-2011, 12:58 AM
****in clowns...

yea...like the win to 6-0 wasnt fun against the Pats in OT

Acient history, what happened after the Pats game? Toilet bowl, and Orton was exposed for the turd he really is.

fontaine
09-30-2011, 01:50 AM
Just saying, but I'm always excited to watch the Broncos play, even if Orton is behind center.

Watching the OL/DL work the trenches gives me hope in the way they've improved this year and as much as the QB issues hogs the limelight, I'll still look forward to every Broncos game this year.

I get my excitement from watching the run game/OL improve, guys like Miller swim through traffic and go head hunting, Doom/Champ when they're back.

And it's pretty fun watching our DEs seal the edge while Mays runs uphill and slams into the ball carrier like a crash test dummy.

maven
09-30-2011, 02:07 AM
I just don't get this franchise anymore.

24champ
09-30-2011, 02:18 AM
As a practical matter, for PR purposes that can't happen here, although perhaps John could slowly fade away into the background as the marketing guy rather than the football chief. That would be ideal. I don't want him to be tarnished in any way so I don't want to see it end badly, but at the same time, I absolutely don't want him running the ship, either and that's been the view of some of us from the very beginning (and even before that).

I remember talking about Elway rejoining the franchise in some Executive role since the beginning of last year It started in the McDaniels era and they slowly worked Elway back in the fold, he was showing up at Training Camp and stopping in at the facilities during the season. I believe it's been in the works for a lot longer than people realize, especially once Shanahan was gone.

One of my chief concerns was Elway's inexperience in that role, or any role in the front office would diminish his lofty status in football. There's been two similar cases of former players turned executives, and that is Marino and Millen. We all know how they turned out, and some will point out to Ozzie Newsome, but most folks don't realize just how much experience Ozzie had before becoming GM.

Point is, all the great GM's and Football executives had YEARS of experience before getting the top job. I don't see Elway pulling us out of this mess, he was just a PR gimmick for the fans. I don't fault Elway for this mess, it starts and ends with Bowlen/Ellis.

his is a serious cutthroat business. There are sharks everywhere and they can smell the blood in the water with our FO. We've already been punked by a few other FOs. It's simply not an appropriate response to say that he'll learn on the job. That's not what we do here, especially not when we're trying to climb out of hell. It's hard enough as it is. I don't blame Elway here, he's genuinely interested in making this team better and he's working hard, but hard work is necessary, but not sufficient. You need to know the process, the intracacies, the business, the negotiation, how to work situations, we don't have that. Nor has he been equipped with a proper, high quality staff, either. So I don't blame him, its not his fault, but there has to be a real proven GM, bottom line. This is on Bowlen, as usual. His arrogance and condescension to the fans is totally manifested here. "No, there aren't problems, look over here, its John Elway, its all better now, he played against these guys for 16 years, so ofcourse he knows what to look for.....its John Elway!"

^5

maven
09-30-2011, 02:28 AM
I don't fault Elway for this mess, it starts and ends with Bowlen/Ellis.
^5

He is now part of it. He had chosen to get involved, and he will either sink or swim along with the rest of the organization.

eddie mac
09-30-2011, 02:48 AM
Wow, you wanna talk about watching that Houston game again. I watched our home game against KC last night, you know the 41-7 win when Cutler passed for 4 TD's and Selvin Young ran for 150 plus yards. We terrorised/abused Shanny's team at the time (I was one of the culprits) but they are so many light years ahead of this current one, it's ****ing downright disgusting. I cannot recall the last time we beat a team by half-time. The ****ing good old days, long gone but never forgotten.

ol#7
09-30-2011, 03:18 AM
There are a couple of things going on I think. They have made SO many bad and outright strange moves that its hard to just root for the laundry. McD left this team with 1 bright spot, and thats only based on pure speculation...Tebow. I hated the pick, was demoralized by the two drafts and everything that proceeded it, but dammit that Houston game (which I was at) was a hell of a lot of fun. I want that excitement, even if it turns out that were not very good which is hardly unexpected. Is there anyone here that doesnt already know what we are going to get on sunday trotting out the sloth? Were bad and boring.

Lolad
09-30-2011, 06:31 AM
Baltimore exposed Orton/Mcdaniels offense and we haven't been the same since. I was at work, yes Sunday screaming when Tebow ran that TD in. I want my Broncos back!

Jesterhole
09-30-2011, 06:46 AM
This is by far the most lackluster I've ever felt about Broncos football. Josh McDaniels and Bowlen really dug this team into a deep, deep hole.

Ironically, it's McD's most controversial pick, Tebow, that has the best chance of turnig that around.

When the front office failed to address the defensive line for the millionth season in a row, and when it was obvious they had picked Kyle over Tim, I knew this would be a waste of a season on almost every level. What really kills me is that Fox will win just enough games to help his ego and kill our chances at Luck.

At any rate, yes, this is a bad, boring Broncos team. Probably the least entertaining to watch that I've ever seen. I used to get too nervous to watch a game, now I'm just too bored.

Blueflame
09-30-2011, 06:55 AM
I'm sorry but this thread needs a Dick Vermeil smiley, a box of Kleenex and a Midol.

TonyR
09-30-2011, 07:01 AM
What Fox doesnt know yet is that Broncos fans know that Tebow is an exciting player.

You don't know that he knows what we think we know. Ya know?

ol#7
09-30-2011, 07:26 AM
I'm sorry but this thread needs a Dick Vermeil smiley, a box of Kleenex and a Midol.

You have strange ideas about self-gratification.

TotallyScrewed
09-30-2011, 07:38 AM
...I don't blame Elway here, he's genuinely interested in making this team better and he's working hard, but hard work is necessary, but not sufficient. You need to know the process, the intracacies, the business, the negotiation, how to work situations, we don't have that. Nor has he been equipped with a proper, high quality staff, either. So I don't blame him, its not his fault, but there has to be a real proven GM, bottom line. This is on Bowlen, as usual. His arrogance and condescension to the fans is totally manifested here. "No, there aren't problems, look over here, its John Elway, its all better now, he played against these guys for 16 years, so ofcourse he knows what to look for.....its John Elway!"

This arose because of Bowlen's complete lack of respect for the intelligence of fans and now he's getting raped for it (which is good). Maybe he'll learn his lesson one of these days. Don't hold your breath, stupidity is his MO.

I saw this arrogance of which you speak in the 1997 SuperBowl celebration, when Bowlen said "I want to thank MY fans". We weren't fans of Bowlen. We were Broncos, the TEAM, fans. I'm no more the "fan" of an owner than I am the "fan" of my companies president. I'm happy he signs my paycheck, but that's all. I'm very happy with those types when they do things that really help the workers but all too often, they work just for themselves.

If Bowlen would hire the right FO people and get the right coaches and facilities to make a great team, I'd be very thankful but not a "fan". Unfortunately, Bowlen hasn't done enough right to be even "okay" with him.

Dagmar
09-30-2011, 07:47 AM
I'm sorry but this thread needs a Dick Vermeil smiley, a box of Kleenex and a Midol.

Why, you on the rag Blue? Want some ice cream?? ;)

TheDave
09-30-2011, 07:48 AM
FWIW... I still miss Cutler.

TotallyScrewed
09-30-2011, 07:49 AM
I know exactly what you mean. I'm not going to watch the Packers game live. ... and the Broncos getting creamed by at least 14 to 21 points.

I think you're overly optimistic about the score, unless Orton doesn't play the entire game. The Packers could be up 14 by the end of the first quarter. This could be an epic creaming, except that the Packers have class unlike the Raiders (crosses fingers).

Chris
09-30-2011, 07:51 AM
Let it be boring for them. This is a rebuild. Come back in a few years.

Hogan11
09-30-2011, 07:58 AM
get over it.

Really....it's just another Tebow whinefest. I really wish that story of trading him to the Colts didn't come from Bleacher Report because I wanted it to be true.

The thing that gets me is that people are actually surprised by Fox's boring offensive strategy and his favoring of veterans. You guys haven't seen any Panthers football games over the last decade and it shows.

That's who Fox is, that's what we get with him as HC and the shirkers all have the nerve to act surprised, threaten to turn off their TV's and run for the door. Well don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out because odds are good Tebow won't see the field under any circumstances this year (as a QB, I know he already made his memorable debut @ WR) and he'll be delt (if not outright cut) by next season.

TheReverend
09-30-2011, 08:03 AM
****in clowns...

yea...like the win to 6-0 wasnt fun against the Pats in OT

6-0 was against SD. Just fyi, super fan.

Dagmar
09-30-2011, 08:04 AM
http://themetapicture.com/media/funny-gif-seal-polar-bear.gif

You mad Hogan, you seem mad. I would like a Tebow run offense and Fox defense. Sorry as a fan that seems to be "asking too much" but as a paying customer, I'm allowed to comment on the quality of the entertainment on show.

DrFate
09-30-2011, 08:08 AM
http://themetapicture.com/media/funny-gif-seal-polar-bear.gif

You mad Hogan, you seem mad. I would like a Tebow run offense and Fox defense. Sorry as a fan that seems to be "asking too much" but as a paying customer, I'm allowed to comment on the quality of the entertainment on show.

Apparently he doesn't like Florida...

maher_tyler
09-30-2011, 08:10 AM
Anyone else catch the Purdue comment?? Ha!

Hogan11
09-30-2011, 08:12 AM
http://themetapicture.com/media/funny-gif-seal-polar-bear.gif

You mad Hogan, you seem mad. I would like a Tebow run offense and Fox defense. Sorry as a fan that seems to be "asking too much" but as a paying customer, I'm allowed to comment on the quality of the entertainment on show.

Not mad at all, but the constant whining is very, very tiresome and it's funny how people act shocked by Fox when his style was so very well known before he came here....he's as predictable as you are posting a gif in a thread at some point.

Hogan11
09-30-2011, 08:13 AM
Apparently he doesn't like Florida...

Whatever gave you that idea? Ha!

Dagmar
09-30-2011, 08:15 AM
Not mad at all, but the constant whining is very, very tiresome and it's funny how people act shocked by Fox when his style was so very well known before he came here....he's as predictable as you are posting a gif in a thread at some point.

:approve: I'm here to entertain and irritate in equal measures. :sunshine:

TailgateNut
09-30-2011, 08:17 AM
I know exactly what you mean. I'm not going to watch the Packers game live. Instead I'll watch the better games on the Sunday Ticket. I'll watch the Broncos late Sunday evening so I can fast forward through the slaughter which will undoubtedly include seeing Orton sacked 5 times and the Broncos getting creamed by at least 14 to 21 points. Since the Broncos Secondary won't be able to stop Rodgers and company and since the Broncos O can't put points on the board it seems pointless.

Until Orton is yanked I'm not sure I'll waste my time watching another game live until Tebow finally gets his job. The DVR has been my best friend the last 3 years, without it life on Sunday would be a living hell.


SAD!

TailgateNut
09-30-2011, 08:18 AM
I'm sorry but this thread needs a Dick Vermeil smiley, a box of Kleenex and a Midol.


^5

Dagmar
09-30-2011, 08:19 AM
I think lots of people with threaten not to watch or go, but to be honest that's just emotion talking in the end, most of us are fanatical enough Broncos fans that we are posting on this site, we're not just going to quit. I like Fox, just want a bit less anemic offense, that's all.

bendog
09-30-2011, 08:20 AM
Elway's just jealous of Tim

TailgateNut
09-30-2011, 08:24 AM
Elway's just jealous of Tim

Did ya read that too. Now we have "team phychologists and psychiatrists".ROFL!

BroncsCheer
09-30-2011, 08:31 AM
Hey - at least we're not Chiefs fans . ..

TailgateNut
09-30-2011, 08:46 AM
Hey - at least we're not Chiefs fans . ..

Getting there...........slowly, but surely....

TheReverend
09-30-2011, 08:49 AM
Did ya read that too. Now we have "team phychologists and psychiatrists".ROFL!

Ah good ole phycology...

bendog
09-30-2011, 08:50 AM
Getting there...........slowly, but surely....

nah, we're off the billicheat bandwagon/crackpipe. Finding a quarterback is tough biz though, and Tebow's looking more and more less likely, though who knows he may surprise us. McCoy was Fox's qb when they pulled Delhomme off the NFLEuro and NFL scrapheap. I never liked how Fox used high draft picks for running backs though.

HooptyHoops
09-30-2011, 08:51 AM
At any rate, yes, this is a bad, boring Broncos team. Probably the least entertaining to watch that I've ever seen. I used to get too nervous to watch a game, now I'm just too bored.

This.... verbatim. I feel the exact same way....gone are the days that I get nervous and excited about Broncos football. Blah..

s0phr0syne
09-30-2011, 08:53 AM
nah, we're off the billicheat bandwagon/crackpipe. Finding a quarterback is tough biz though, and Tebow's looking more and more less likely, though who knows he may surprise us. McCoy was Fox's qb when they pulled Delhomme off the NFLEuro and NFL scrapheap. I never liked how Fox used high draft picks for running backs though.

:confuzzle:unamused::nono:hmmm...

TailgateNut
09-30-2011, 08:55 AM
Ah good ole phycology...


Must be lack-o-cafeine!^5

TheReverend
09-30-2011, 09:00 AM
Must be lack-o-cafeine!^5

Ah good ole cafeine Ha!

BroncsCheer
09-30-2011, 09:02 AM
Ah good ole phycology...

Well, the offense does exhibit some of the characteristics of algae . ..

55CrushEm
09-30-2011, 09:08 AM
Ah good ole phycology...

LOL

OABB
09-30-2011, 09:10 AM
Ah good ole cafeine Ha!

epic. tgn rules. its like he was created in a lab to be the butt of jokes. thanks tgn!

Pony Boy
09-30-2011, 09:11 AM
Must be lack-o-cafeine!^5

Sit back and let your Midol kick in .....

go_broncos
09-30-2011, 09:11 AM
Our team is bore to watch.That's a fact.
I am counting the days so that i don't need to watch Orton play QB for this team.

OABB
09-30-2011, 09:17 AM
not sure how pointing out how soulless we are is whiney. its the truth. this is not denver broncos football...this looks like 1980s era jets football.

how anyone can be on the dumb side of this argument is astounding. we are boring, we have no heart, we are slow AND we suck.

to not have a problem with this means you arent a fan. its not even about wins or losses or rebuilding. we arent expecting much. we just want a team that cares as much as we do.

and we saw it for three weeks. a rebuild needs passion.

how can anyone be ok with a rebuild using an innefective vet? mind boggling.

maher_tyler
09-30-2011, 09:17 AM
This.... verbatim. I feel the exact same way....gone are the days that I get nervous and excited about Broncos football. Blah..

I feel the same way. When Orton throws a pick or fumbles or steps up/runs right into a defender for a sack, i don't get mad anymore..i laugh and shake my head like i knew it was going to happen!

bendog
09-30-2011, 09:19 AM
It's depressing that Tebow cannot take the job from an ineffective vet.

OABB
09-30-2011, 09:20 AM
It's depressing that Tebow cannot take the job from an ineffective vet.

in a head to head competition he would. its depressing that he is not allowed to compete with an innefective vet.

clear distinction here, and one not mistaken by bias or stupidity.

bendog
09-30-2011, 09:27 AM
booolsht. He lost the competition cause he can't even take a snap and make a consistent five step. Elway flat out told him what he had to do, and he couldn't do it. Coming out of Mia, if they're 1-5, I figure they throw him in one way or another.

jhns
09-30-2011, 09:51 AM
booolsht. He lost the competition cause he can't even take a snap and make a consistent five step. Elway flat out told him what he had to do, and he couldn't do it. Coming out of Mia, if they're 1-5, I figure they throw him in one way or another.

You don't even watch the Broncos as you talk like you are dishing out facts... It is almost sad to watch.

NFLBRONCO
09-30-2011, 10:07 AM
I still enjoy Bronco games. Yeah the O is dreadful to watch. We have decent players but, aside from Decker absolutely zero playmakers that can take over games. Kyle Orton at QB ugh.

AlphaSeirra
09-30-2011, 10:09 AM
booolsht. He lost the competition cause he can't even take a snap and make a consistent five step. Elway flat out told him what he had to do, and he couldn't do it. Coming out of Mia, if they're 1-5, I figure they throw him in one way or another.

Yeah, Tim's totally incompetent as a QB alright. Hilarious!

Quinn QB Rating 69
Orton QB Rating 104
Tebow QB Rating 108 (with a bonus 6.4 ypc)

Tim can't take a snap? WTF???

Tell us 2 things genius, how many snaps did Tim take in 2010, and how many Lost Possession fumbles did he have?

Tim had a Record setting Career 170+ NCAA PER over his 4 years at UF, consistency defined.

Tim led all 2010 NFL Rookie QB's with an 82.1 Pass Efficiency Rating.

Joe Montana threw for 7.3 yds/rec (dink & dunk) as an NFL Rookie with a lower PER than Tebow had as a rookie.

Tim Tebow threw for 15.4 yds/rec with 5 TD's to 3 Ints as an NFL Rookie, and he did that while also rushing for 5.3 ypc and 6 more TD's.

In his 3 cold end of season starts, Tebow had better stats with Pro Bowl Lloyd than Orton did. thwack


PS

And if 'style' was more important than the actual on the field results,
then Billy Kilmer would have never been allowed on a football field....

Dedhed
09-30-2011, 10:15 AM
Really....it's just another Tebow whinefest. I really wish that story of trading him to the Colts didn't come from Bleacher Report because I wanted it to be true.

The thing that gets me is that people are actually surprised by Fox's boring offensive strategy and his favoring of veterans. You guys haven't seen any Panthers football games over the last decade and it shows.

That's who Fox is, that's what we get with him as HC and the shirkers all have the nerve to act surprised, threaten to turn off their TV's and run for the door. Well don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out because odds are good Tebow won't see the field under any circumstances this year (as a QB, I know he already made his memorable debut @ WR) and he'll be delt (if not outright cut) by next season.I love takes by people who don't drop their college allegiances when it comes to talking Broncos.

jhns
09-30-2011, 10:19 AM
I love takes by people who don't drop their college allegiances when it comes to talking Broncos.

Ive been considering hating on Miller for having a big game against Nebraska. It only makes sense to want Bronco players to fail when you are a Bronco fan!

AlphaSeirra
09-30-2011, 10:20 AM
I love takes by people who don't drop their college allegiances when it comes to talking Broncos.

Of course you're correct with that smashingly bright comment.
That's of course why some here constantly whine for Stanford's Lucky QB,
cause college affiliation should be totally forgotten by anyone talking Bronco football..... Hilarious!

Inkana7
09-30-2011, 10:21 AM
Wow, you wanna talk about watching that Houston game again. I watched our home game against KC last night, you know the 41-7 win when Cutler passed for 4 TD's and Selvin Young ran for 150 plus yards. We terrorised/abused Shanny's team at the time (I was one of the culprits) but they are so many light years ahead of this current one, it's ****ing downright disgusting. I cannot recall the last time we beat a team by half-time. The ****ing good old days, long gone but never forgotten.

KC last year when Orton had 4 TDs and Knowshon Moreno ran for 100 plus yards.

Dedhed
09-30-2011, 10:23 AM
Of course you're correct with that smashingly bright comment.
That's of course why some here constantly whine for Stanford's Lucky QB,
cause college affiliation should be totally forgotten by anyone talking Bronco football..... Hilarious!

You've got issues.

Dedhed
09-30-2011, 10:24 AM
Ive been considering hating on Miller for having a big game against Nebraska. It only makes sense to want Bronco players to fail when you are a Bronco fan!

That would make sense.

Heyneck
09-30-2011, 10:27 AM
I feel the same way. When Orton throws a pick or fumbles or steps up/runs right into a defender for a sack, i don't get mad anymore..i laugh and shake my head like i knew it was going to happen!

Dude I feel the same way.....I used to get mad as hell...now I am just like...mehh.

AlphaSeirra
09-30-2011, 10:28 AM
You've got issues.

LOL

Not me, I've just got a twisted sense of humor. ;)

Well, that and a pretty good idea about who the best Bronco QB is.... :wave:

Dedhed
09-30-2011, 10:33 AM
Well, that and a pretty good idea about who the best Bronco QB is.... :wave:

You realize I've been supporting Tebow for the entire off-season right?:wave:

Dork.

AlphaSeirra
09-30-2011, 10:36 AM
You realize I've been supporting Tebow for the entire off-season right?:wave:

Dork.

Supporting huh?

Is that expensive?

Is he heavy?

Do you totally lack any sense of humor or perspective?

(don't bother, all were retorical) Ha!

TailgateNut
09-30-2011, 10:39 AM
Supporting huh?

Is that expensive?

Is he heavy?

Do you totally lack any sense of humor or perspective?

(don't bother, all were retorical) Ha!


ROFL!You forgot to comment abotu how big his nutsack must be considering all of those nuthuggers. Got to make room for all those arms!

Dedhed
09-30-2011, 10:42 AM
Supporting huh?

Is that expensive?

Is he heavy?

Do you totally lack any sense of humor or perspective?

(don't bother, all were retorical) Ha!

I told you yesterday to look up how to spell rhetorical. Speaks well for your ability to pay attention and learn.

You don't even know what you're arguing about. You just spray the board with Tebow stats and pablum and give Tebow haters a reason to hate him more; having to deal with people like you who are blind to anything but what they're writing and are talking to much to ever learn anything. Dork.

Agamemnon
09-30-2011, 10:43 AM
KC last year when Orton had 4 TDs and Knowshon Moreno ran for 100 plus yards.

I'm surprised the world didn't end that day honestly...

AlphaSeirra
09-30-2011, 10:43 AM
ROFL!You forgot to comment abotu how big his nutsack must be considering all of those nuthuggers. Got to make room for all those arms!

The nuttless like you are always jealous.

Oh btw, why are you so fixiated on the nutts of others?
(nevvv-ver mind) Hilarious!

AlphaSeirra
09-30-2011, 10:45 AM
I told you yesterday to look up how to spell rhetorical. Speaks well for your ability to pay attention and learn.

You don't even know what you're arguing about. You just spray the board with Tebow stats and pablum and give Tebow haters a reason to hate him more; having to deal with people like you who are blind to anything but what they're writing and are talking to much to ever learn anything. Dork.

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

I know noth-thing! Ha!

MplsBronco
09-30-2011, 10:47 AM
Really....it's just another Tebow whinefest. I really wish that story of trading him to the Colts didn't come from Bleacher Report because I wanted it to be true.

The thing that gets me is that people are actually surprised by Fox's boring offensive strategy and his favoring of veterans. You guys haven't seen any Panthers football games over the last decade and it shows.

That's who Fox is, that's what we get with him as HC and the shirkers all have the nerve to act surprised, threaten to turn off their TV's and run for the door. Well don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out because odds are good Tebow won't see the field under any circumstances this year (as a QB, I know he already made his memorable debut @ WR) and he'll be delt (if not outright cut) by next season.


I don't get why people like you are so sure that Tebow will suck. I mean, you sound like a complete tool with this comment. He has produced when given the chance. And its not unreasonable for fans to expect first round pick, heisman trophy winning players be given a chance on the field.

This organization is in shambles.

bendog
09-30-2011, 10:58 AM
Tebow has never consistently produced from the pocket. However, he did get better as preseason went along. We'll see. He's being asked to do what no other Urban Meyer qb has been able to do. But Bradford was in shotgun a lot at Ok and McCoy didn't play in pro-style. So, I'm saying "he's Alex Smith and David Klinger deja vu."

It'd be nice to have a "bee on the wall of Dove Valley," but my guess is we'll see how the project is coming along around week 9 and maybe even week 8 if they lose to the Fish.

RaiderH8r
09-30-2011, 11:02 AM
Getting there...........slowly, but surely....

Well our FO is doing their best imitation of Carl Peterson.

gunns
09-30-2011, 11:03 AM
Why, you on the rag Blue? Want some ice cream?? ;)

Gee you missed it, I think she was saying most of you were on the rag. But I don't know that there is a Vermeil smiley, just a crying one and we've already got that here.

Dedhed
09-30-2011, 11:04 AM
Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

I know noth-thing! Ha!

Don't be so hard on yourself. You've proven very adept at misspelling and alienating everyone around you. So you've got that going for you, which is nice.

RaiderH8r
09-30-2011, 11:05 AM
in a head to head competition he would. its depressing that he is not allowed to compete with an innefective vet.

clear distinction here, and one not mistaken by bias or stupidity.

Like I've said, we've got Ellis who is dumber than a bag of wet peckers, Xanders who has got to have naked goat humping photos of Bowlen because he has no business having a job and Elway who is a noob in the FO and we're being coached by the only guy who lost more games than we did last year. I don't know what the hell I was expecting to happen when they hired these schlubs but being a fan means taking logic out of the equation.

MplsBronco
09-30-2011, 11:07 AM
Tebow has never consistently produced from the pocket. However, he did get better as preseason went along. We'll see. He's being asked to do what no other Urban Meyer qb has been able to do. But Bradford was in shotgun a lot at Ok and McCoy didn't play in pro-style. So, I'm saying "he's Alex Smith and David Klinger deja vu."

It'd be nice to have a "bee on the wall of Dove Valley," but my guess is we'll see how the project is coming along around week 9 and maybe even week 8 if they lose to the Fish.

WTF cares? Neither does Orton. I would rather have someone in there that can escape pressure, throw on the run, improvise when the play breaks down, scramble for 10 yards on 3rd and 9 and throw a beatiful and accurate deep ball. I would also like to have a guy in there with fire in his belly and the ability to elevate the play of not only his offensive mates, but of the defense as well. We saw Tebow do all of this in just 3 measly starts.

TailgateNut
09-30-2011, 11:11 AM
Like I've said, we've got Ellis who is dumber than a bag of wet peckers, Xanders who has got to have naked goat humping photos of Bowlen because he has no business having a job and Elway who is a noob in the FO and we're being coached by the only guy who lost more games than we did last year. I don't know what the hell I was expecting to happen when they hired these schlubs but being a fan means taking logic out of the equation.

I don't care who you are, that's funny!

gunns
09-30-2011, 11:11 AM
I told you yesterday to look up how to spell rhetorical. Speaks well for your ability to pay attention and learn.

You don't even know what you're arguing about. You just spray the board with Tebow stats and pablum and give Tebow haters a reason to hate him more; having to deal with people like you who are blind to anything but what they're writing and are talking to much to ever learn anything. Dork.


Heavens no his posts don't make us hate Tebow, it makes us laugh at his posts. As if there is a stat yet brought by Tebow that is any reflection on how he will play if started. Me, I'd love for them to start Tebow. Our current situation isn't moving forward and we may as well see what we've got.

No, most of us don't hate Tebow, we just don't think he's the savior and while we would like exciting games, they are generally games you win and that's what we want. If it's merely excitement, get a gerbil or some batteries.

maher_tyler
09-30-2011, 11:12 AM
Tebow has never consistently produced from the pocket. However, he did get better as preseason went along. We'll see. He's being asked to do what no other Urban Meyer qb has been able to do. But Bradford was in shotgun a lot at Ok and McCoy didn't play in pro-style. So, I'm saying "he's Alex Smith and David Klinger deja vu."

It'd be nice to have a "bee on the wall of Dove Valley," but my guess is we'll see how the project is coming along around week 9 and maybe even week 8 if they lose to the Fish.

If we played every snap out of the gun with Tebow, i'd be a lot more confident in winning than if Orton was QB in any formation.

Also, if Orton plays like ass this weekend, we'll hear boo's after every little miscue against SD!

TailgateNut
09-30-2011, 11:13 AM
Heavens no his posts don't make us hate Tebow, it makes us laugh at his posts. As if there is a stat yet brought by Tebow that is any reflection on how he will play if started. Me, I'd love for them to start Tebow. Our current situation isn't moving forward and we may as well see what we've got.

No, most of us don't hate Tebow, we just don't think he's the savior and while we would like exciting games, they are generally games you win and that's what we want. If it's merely excitement, get a gerbil or some batteries.


Hilarious!

TailgateNut
09-30-2011, 11:14 AM
If we played every snap out of the gun with Tebow, i'd be a lot more confident in winning than if Orton was QB in any formation.

Also, if Orton plays like ass this weekend, we'll hear boo's after every little miscue against SD!


LOL


Keeping up with the times

DrFate
09-30-2011, 11:14 AM
WTF cares? Neither does Orton. I would rather have someone in there that can escape pressure, throw on the run, improvise when the play breaks down, scramble for 10 yards on 3rd and 9 and throw a beatiful and accurate deep ball. I would also like to have a guy in there with fire in his belly and the ability to elevate the play of not only his offensive mates, but of the defense as well. We saw Tebow do all of this in just 3 measly starts.

It's weird how the Orton/Fox supporters are so hung up suddenly on 'play from the pocket'...

Jim Kelly played in the shotgun all the time. So did Elway. So did Peyton Manning. So did Boomer Esiason. So does Brady. Hell, so does Orton.

It's just peculiar to me that all of a sudden people on this board and ESPN are hung up on the footwork of the five step drop or the reading of defenses rather than points on the board or wins/losses. Nobody is asking for a football clinic or an instructional DVD. Get yards, score touchdowns, win games. Why is it complicated?

We see spread offenses, power run offenses, zone block/west coast offenses in the league now. We see guys under center, in the shotgun. Two years ago everyone wanted a 'wildcat' package after the Dolphins were so successful with it.

Maybe Tebow 'looks bad' taking five-step drops. Maybe Orton 'looks bad' in an UnderArmour commercial. HTF cares?

RaiderH8r
09-30-2011, 11:15 AM
Tebow has never consistently produced from the pocket. However, he did get better as preseason went along. We'll see. He's being asked to do what no other Urban Meyer qb has been able to do. But Bradford was in shotgun a lot at Ok and McCoy didn't play in pro-style. So, I'm saying "he's Alex Smith and David Klinger deja vu."

It'd be nice to have a "bee on the wall of Dove Valley," but my guess is we'll see how the project is coming along around week 9 and maybe even week 8 if they lose to the Fish.

Our current QB is the quintessential pocket passer and his performance has just tickled my tits to no end. He's fan damn tastic back there. Honestly, F the pocket and F pocket passing. Christ what kind of narrow minded, limp dicked, panty waste pussy OC/HC/GM is so beholden and slavish to dogma and "the booK" so as not to put some thought and creativity into how best to utilize the best tools for the job? Christ.

bendog
09-30-2011, 11:17 AM
If we played every snap out of the gun with Tebow, i'd be a lot more confident in winning than if Orton was QB in any formation.

Also, if Orton plays like ass this weekend, we'll hear boo's after every little miscue against SD!

No NFL team could be successful in the shotgun all the time. Tebow may make it, but this isnt about one game or even three. This is about getting a scheme for multiple seasons. And unfortunately the roster doesn't really have the backs Fox needs. And Orton is not the answer at qb. The defense is surprisingly not terrible.

Dedhed
09-30-2011, 11:19 AM
No, most of us don't hate Tebow, we just don't think he's the savior and while we would like exciting games, they are generally games you win and that's what we want.

That's exactly what I'm talking about in regards to Alpha. It's the people who represent him as the savior who help to polarize the player. I know Orton isn't the answer and I saw enough from Tebow last year to be intrigued by the possibility. I don't believe that Tebow is a magic pill. Most people on both sides of the issue are rational in their expectations of Tebow.

It's the people like Alpha who are clearly just Tebow nuts who make it easy for trolls like Tailgatenut to make the argument that there isn't any substance to Tebow's game and the people who want him on the field are only doing so because of a fanatical religious/florida agenda.

Dedhed
09-30-2011, 11:22 AM
No NFL team could be successful in the shotgun all the time.

But they certainly can be successful from the shotgun the majority of the time.

DrFate
09-30-2011, 11:24 AM
But they certainly can be successful from the shotgun the majority of the time.

Not that I think you can reason with these people, Dedhed...

But if you want to try, check this out:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/tag/_/name/shotgun-formation

Seems to work for some teams...

maher_tyler
09-30-2011, 11:24 AM
No NFL team could be successful in the shotgun all the time. Tebow may make it, but this isnt about one game or even three. This is about getting a scheme for multiple seasons. And unfortunately the roster doesn't really have the backs Fox needs. And Orton is not the answer at qb. The defense is surprisingly not terrible.

I was just saying, that's how bad and boring i think Orton is. It was being a tad sarcastic...

TailgateNut
09-30-2011, 11:30 AM
I was just saying, that's how bad and boring i think Orton is. It was being a tad sarcastic...


Will Rodgers lead the Chargers to a win this weekend?

gunns
09-30-2011, 11:32 AM
That's exactly what I'm talking about in regards to Alpha. It's the people who represent him as the savior who help to polarize the player. I know Orton isn't the answer and I saw enough from Tebow last year to be intrigued by the possibility. I don't believe that Tebow is a magic pill. Most people on both sides of the issue are rational in their expectations of Tebow.

It's the people like Alpha who are clearly just Tebow nuts who make it easy for trolls like Tailgatenut to make the argument that there isn't any substance to Tebow's game and the people who want him on the field are only doing so because of a fanatical religious/florida agenda.

I knew what you meant. I'm just so tired of reading the same posts, in every thread, day after day after day. Yes you are right, Alpha, Agamenon, a few others have narrow minds. I love it when they attack someone who doesn't think Tebow is the end all and state it's because they are Orton lovers. A shot back at them would be they are Tebow lovers, not Bronco lovers.

But let's see, it's a win win situation. If Tebow bombs, we go for a new QB, which is what I think will happen. If he succeeds, the Broncos win and that's what we all want and either way these threads stop. Oh, except Alpha and Agamenon will have to pound their chests they were right, which will prove once and for all that's all this is about, being right and Tebow, not the Broncos.

Dedhed
09-30-2011, 11:32 AM
Not that I think you can reason with these people, Dedhed...

But if you want to try, check this out:

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/tag/_/name/shotgun-formation

Seems to work for some teams...
It's really not that difficult a concept. Put your best players on the field and play to their strengths.

Tebow is clearly a more talented football player than Orton, but Fox won't put him on the field because he can't yet excel at the weakest part of his game. Doesn't seem to matter that the strengths of his game already offer far more upside.

DrFate
09-30-2011, 11:35 AM
Put your best players on the field and play to their strengths.

I always thought that was the coaches job - get the best you can out of the players you have. If the players don't fit 'the system', maybe you should alter 'the system'.

Dedhed
09-30-2011, 11:36 AM
But let's see, it's a win win situation. If Tebow bombs, we go for a new QB, which is what I think will happen. If he succeeds, the Broncos win and that's what we all want and either way these threads stop.

Of course it's a win-win, but the Ortonites are just as much to blame for the repetitive nature of these threads.

Starting Orton is a lose-lose, but there is a faction that won't admit that and keep the gerbil wheel spinning.

vancejohnson82
09-30-2011, 11:49 AM
Of course it's a win-win, but the Ortonites are just as much to blame for the repetitive nature of these threads.

Starting Orton is a lose-lose, but there is a faction that won't admit that and keep the gerbil wheel spinning.

the only way its not a lose-lose is if we win games....which we aren't

TheReverend
09-30-2011, 11:51 AM
Will Rodgers lead the Chargers to a win this weekend?

Ha!

Unfortunately, there's a good chance that Rodgers beats Denver so badly that not only do WE lose, but that the Chargers, Raiders AND Chiefs all win.

Dedhed
09-30-2011, 11:55 AM
the only way its not a lose-lose is if we win games....which we aren't

Not true. Anyone thinking we're going to win games with Orton is delusional.

Starting Tebow and losing still has positives for the franchise. Starting Orton and losing does nothing but retard the rebuilding process.

TailgateNut
09-30-2011, 11:56 AM
Ha!

Unfortunately, there's a good chance that Rodgers beats Denver so badly that not only do WE lose, but that the Chargers, Raiders AND Chiefs all win.


glad you're up on the conversationROFL!

go molest your lobster

BroncoBuff
09-30-2011, 11:56 AM
I have to agree... I am not into the team as much as I have been the past 34 seasons.

Same here, never in my life so little interest. I'm angry, really angry. These problems were not Hardy Boys mysteries ... I'm not that smart, probably right in the middle, median football knowledge on this board. And yet that median level saw every damn problem coming down Main Street a mile away. Not just Goodman, Hillis, Josh too much power, Xanders inexplicably still employed, etc., but even now ... elementary problems any close observer could identify: Wasting the "mother of all rebuilding years" on a quarterback with zero rebuilding value, while at the same time wasting the mother of all rebuilding years not starting the best example of a rebuilding year QB I have ever seen.

Orton will eke out just enough wins - 5 or 6 - to make the difference between selecting a Von Miller or a Knowshon Moreno in the next draft. And Xanders will use his 7th rounders on Jammie Kirlew and Blake Schleuter, while Jim Goodman used his on the New England Patriots' starting safety and the Madden 2012 Cover Boy.

These botched strategies and wasted picks make ALL THE DIFFERENCE in W's and L's down the line. The field is fertile right now ... I wish were were sowing instead of sucking.

RaiderH8r
09-30-2011, 12:14 PM
Same here, never in my life so little interest. I'm angry, really angry. These problems were not Hardy Boys mysteries ... I'm not that smart, probably right in the middle, median football knowledge on this board. And yet that median level saw every damn problem coming down Main Street a mile away. Not just Goodman, Hillis, Josh too much power, Xanders inexplicably still employed, etc., but even now ... elementary problems any close observer could identify: Wasting the "mother of all rebuilding years" on a quarterback with zero rebuilding value, while at the same time wasting the mother of all rebuilding years not starting the best example of a rebuilding year QB I have ever seen.

Orton will eke out just enough wins - 5 or 6 - to make the difference between selecting a Von Miller or a Knowshon Moreno in the next draft. And Xanders will use his 7th rounders on Jammie Kirlew and Blake Schleuter, while Jim Goodman used his on the New England Patriots' starting safety and the Madden 2012 Cover Boy.

These botched strategies and wasted picks make ALL THE DIFFERENCE in W's and L's down the line. The field is fertile right now ... I wish were were sowing instead of sucking.

I just posted this in the billboard thread (I would love to see it hanging around Denver) and thought you might like it.

+++++++++++++++++++++

http://gridironfans.com/forums/attachments/latest-nfl-headlines/15629d1292700453-brian-xanders-hopes-stay-broncos-general-manager-brian-xanders.jpg

Fecal Encephalopathy has stricken so many people throughout the globe. This tragic illness has ruined families, lives, and football teams. The Association for the Promotion of Individuals Living with Fecal Encephalopathy is proud to announce that Brian Xanders, General Manager for the NFL's Denver Broncos, will receive the Association's Carl Peterson, Lifetime Achievement Award. This award recognizes individuals living with fecal encephalopathy who have managed to maneuver themselves into positions of power and prestige for which they are ill equipped and ill qualified due to their disease.

Past recipients of the Carl Peterson award are former Lions GM, Matt Millen, Raiders owner Al Davis, former NFL coach Rich Kotite.

Join me in contratulating Brian Xanders, a true Sh%t for Brains.

Blueflame
09-30-2011, 12:22 PM
Why, you on the rag Blue? Want some ice cream?? ;)

I don't think my meaning was the slightest bit vague. :P

In all my years of watching professional sports, I'm not sure I've ever witnessed as much crying as there has been since August over Tim Tebow not starting this year. In some ways it reminds me of a two-year-old threatening to hold his breath until he gets his way; in other ways it's like an epic case of "collective PMS".

gunns
09-30-2011, 12:23 PM
Supporting huh?

Is that expensive?

Is he heavy?

Do you totally lack any sense of humor or perspective?

(don't bother, all were retorical) Ha!

Nice rationalization, making it a "sense of humor". We won't even go to perspective because your posts indicate that's totally absent with you.

jhns
09-30-2011, 12:24 PM
I don't think my meaning was the slightest bit vague. :P

In all my years of watching professional sports, I'm not sure I've ever witnessed as much crying as there has been since August over Tim Tebow not starting this year. In some ways it reminds me of a two-year-old threatening to hold his breath until he gets his way; in other ways it's like an epic case of "collective PMS".

I cried a lot more the last two years than I have now. Half of my current frying is still from the last two years.

OABB
09-30-2011, 12:26 PM
I don't think my meaning was the slightest bit vague. :P

In all my years of watching professional sports, I'm not sure I've ever witnessed as much crying as there has been since August over Tim Tebow not starting this year. In some ways it reminds me of a two-year-old threatening to hold his breath until he gets his way; in other ways it's like an epic case of "collective PMS".

did you miss your " the patriot" posts? Even though He ended up sucking, you were about the most vaginiest vagina in all the internetz during that time...

pot, meet kettle.

bendog
09-30-2011, 12:28 PM
whoa, man. You might wanna think about the delete feature there, and have a cool drink of water.

OABB
09-30-2011, 12:30 PM
whoa, man. You might wanna think about the delete feature there, and have a cool drink of water.

vagina means something different on the internet. like pussy...Blue is smart enough to understand what I meant. As much as she makes me mad, she is smart and fair as a mod.

gunns
09-30-2011, 12:30 PM
WTF cares? Neither does Orton. I would rather have someone in there that can escape pressure, throw on the run, improvise when the play breaks down, scramble for 10 yards on 3rd and 9 and throw a beatiful and accurate deep ball. I would also like to have a guy in there with fire in his belly and the ability to elevate the play of not only his offensive mates, but of the defense as well. We saw Tebow do all of this in just 3 measly starts.

We did? Hmmm, I'm still trying to remember the throw on the run. Must have been a short one because it obviously wasn't memorable. Now throw a beautiful and accurate deep ball, I have seen that one. I will give Tebow the fact he has fire in his belly and is a rah rah type of guy. He can elevate the play of his teammates if he performs well enough to win on a consistent basis. That remains to be seen.

bendog
09-30-2011, 12:31 PM
vagina means something different on the internet. like p***Y...Blue is smart enough to understand what I meant. As much as she makes me mad, she is smart and fair as a mod.

Well, you are a pussy.

Pony Boy
09-30-2011, 12:33 PM
Like I've said, we've got Ellis who is dumber than a bag of wet peckers, Xanders who has got to have naked goat humping photos of Bowlen because he has no business having a job and Elway who is a noob in the FO and we're being coached by the only guy who lost more games than we did last year. I don't know what the hell I was expecting to happen when they hired these schlubs but being a fan means taking logic out of the equation.

I nominate this for post of the month........Hilarious!

gunns
09-30-2011, 12:34 PM
vagina means something different on the internet. like p***Y...Blue is smart enough to understand what I meant. As much as she makes me mad, she is smart and fair as a mod.

Nice comeback. Now I'm not sure about the vagina part, is it anything like you being a dick?

Pony Boy
09-30-2011, 12:38 PM
Nice comeback. Now I'm not sure about the vagina part, is it anything like you being a dick?

You can say he's dumber than a bag of wet peckers .......

RaiderH8r
09-30-2011, 12:40 PM
Nice comeback. Now I'm not sure about the vagina part, is it anything like you being a dick?

No, no, no. Vaginas and dicks are vastly different parts of the anatomy. I'm sure there's a website you can google to find it but I'm not gonna post it here. I will go out on a limb and say if you google "penis AND vagina" it will come back NSFW.

gunns
09-30-2011, 12:47 PM
No, no, no. Vaginas and ***** are vastly different parts of the anatomy. I'm sure there's a website you can google to find it but I'm not gonna post it here. I will go out on a limb and say if you google "penis AND vagina" it will come back NSFW.

No, no, no, I know about them. He says they mean something different on the internet. But I think Bendog has cleared that up for me.

Blueflame
09-30-2011, 12:47 PM
did you miss your " the patriot" posts? Even though He ended up sucking, you were about the most vaginiest vagina in all the internetz during that time...

pot, meet kettle.

Kinda stupid, isn't it, to suggest that one "missed" their own posts? ??? And for the record, I took plenty of abuse for that... in hindsight, 100% correct... opinion back then. Dunno what your point is in bringing it back up now... unless it's to admit I was right and eat your crow (you were one of the stauncher McDaniels supporters if I remember correctly).

MplsBronco
09-30-2011, 12:48 PM
We did? Hmmm, I'm still trying to remember the throw on the run. Must have been a short one because it obviously wasn't memorable. Now throw a beautiful and accurate deep ball, I have seen that one. I will give Tebow the fact he has fire in his belly and is a rah rah type of guy. He can elevate the play of his teammates if he performs well enough to win on a consistent basis. That remains to be seen.

Your point about "that remains to be seen" is so f&cking retarded that I can't wrap my head around it. He has started 3 games! The point is we have to give him a chance! And you must have missed preseason action the past 2 years where there have been several examples of how well Tebow throws the deep ball. Probably one of his greatest strengths. And he has thrown on the run with accuracy many times. Why am I even replying to your post?

DrFate
09-30-2011, 12:48 PM
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=383&d=1214037416

DrFate
09-30-2011, 12:49 PM
Why am I even replying to your post?

Why indeed...

OABB
09-30-2011, 12:56 PM
Kinda stupid, isn't it, to suggest that one "missed" their own posts? ??? And for the record, I took plenty of abuse for that... in hindsight, 100% correct... opinion back then. Dunno what your point is in bringing it back up now... unless it's to admit I was right and eat your crow (you were one of the stauncher McDaniels supporters if I remember correctly).

yes. your vagininess paid off. which was my point afterall. all of us tebow supporters who you call whiney may end up being right as well. thats the beauty of printed word. if you b**** enough you may end up being right on one thing.

and for the record, I was not a mcd nut, i only asked that he be allowed to show up and coach before you snail trailed all over him. you were on him before his plane even landed..


Im happy that your gamble paid off, just as I will be of tebow pans out.


the point is you dont get to call anyone whiney when you were glenn closefatal attraction crazy about a guy who hadn't even shown up yet.

OABB
09-30-2011, 12:59 PM
Nice comeback. Now I'm not sure about the vagina part, is it anything like you being a dick?

yes, exactly.

OABB
09-30-2011, 01:00 PM
Well, you are a p***Y.

i'm more of an ass, to be fair.

alkemical
09-30-2011, 01:06 PM
i'm more of an ass, to be fair.

You are what you eat....

errr

hahahaha

I had to flip that one in. :)

Blueflame
09-30-2011, 01:08 PM
yes. your vagininess paid off. which was my point afterall. all of us tebow supporters who you call whiney may end up being right as well. thats the beauty of printed word. if you b**** enough you may end up being right on one thing.

and for the record, I was not a mcd nut, i only asked that he be allowed to show up and coach before you snail trailed all over him. you were on him before his plane even landed..


Im happy that your gamble paid off, just as I will be of tebow pans out.


the point is you dont get to call anyone whiney when you were glenn closefatal attraction crazy about a guy who hadn't even shown up yet.

"Paid off"? ??? Bullcrap it paid off. That Patriot did damage to the football team I love that will take years to undo. And we're ALL currently paying the price for his ineptitude. If you think for one second that I wanted to be right about him... then you do not know me at all. The success of the Denver Broncos football team is far more important to me than "me being right on some silly internet message board".

alkemical
09-30-2011, 01:11 PM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fk2prKnYnI

TheDave
09-30-2011, 01:12 PM
This threads disappoints on so many levels...

alkemical
09-30-2011, 01:12 PM
This threads disapoints on so many levels...

I'd like to prescribe a dose of X before each broncos games for the OM posters.

vonqkilla
09-30-2011, 01:14 PM
I skip to the last page to confirm what I know its dissolved too, pathetic forum really.

Anyway, this pro gambler said take the pts, orton in garbage time to cover.

HILife
09-30-2011, 01:18 PM
"Truthfully, the most exciting game in recent Broncos history was the Houston game last year. For the only time in 17 games (stretching from 2009 to last Sunday), the Broncos came back from a deficit of three or more points at halftime - to win. Who was the quarterback in that game and who scored the winning touchdown? I don't have to say his name."

http://www.denverpost.com/woodysmailbag/ci_18998448

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<EMBED height=360 type=application/x-shockwave-flash width=640 src=http://www.youtube.com/v/7tnR3qpBD_I?version=3 allowScriptAccess="always" allowfullscreen="true">

Is it Orton? IS IT ORTON? IT MUST BE ORTON!!!!!

baja
09-30-2011, 01:22 PM
I can't sleep at night.

Don't feel so bad, I can't shiit.

Que
09-30-2011, 01:22 PM
In honor of references to sexual organs meaning something entirely different:

Guys, I just can't bring myself to clap for Orton. He is about as exciting as a piece of discarded fish. It isn't that he chafes me or rubs me raw. It is just that is that there isn't anything compelling except when he limps back to the huddle and only because think we think we might see something different for a change rather than that ugly hairy mug. Just look at the two QB's.

Once is clean cut, well built and plays and exciting game where you just don't know what will happen next. Like things might happen that will blow your mind or have never seen before. Like you just didn't realize that was physically possible. A proverbial roller coaster of newness and intrigue.

The other is this hairy nasty thing with the physique of a discarded leather driving glove. You know what you're going to get and 9 times out of 10 it is going to be stinky and ultimately leave you with a bad taste in your mouth. Same old same old.

Which do you want to look at on Sunday afternoons?




okay, now back to work.

baja
09-30-2011, 01:23 PM
You and I differ on a lot of topics but it's true, there is no spark anymore. The 3 games to end last year were amazing, even though I knew we'd likely lose 2 of 3. Annouce Tebow for this weekend? Suddenly I care.

Right now it's watch an anemic QB who doesn't care about the Broncos play for fans who don't care about him.

Can you imagine Orton with something that gears the fans up like the Championship belt celebration Rodgers pulls? Yeah, it's dumb, but give me that or Tebow's mindblowing celebration when he won the Houston game for us.

Elway, you have not brought excitement back, you are currently hurting your legacy, not helping it.

Let's hope EFX reads this thread........

Rabb
09-30-2011, 01:26 PM
NSFW, but relevant to the convo

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/2cV_q-mVAAA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

RaiderH8r
09-30-2011, 01:27 PM
Let's hope EFX reads this thread........

They might need a flash light. They've got their heads so far up their collective arses that I doubt even a glimmer of ambient light makes it that deep.

baja
09-30-2011, 01:29 PM
They might need a flash light. They've got their heads so far up their collective arses that I doubt even a glimmer of ambient light makes it that deep.

Maybe we can convert it to braille

bendog
09-30-2011, 01:39 PM
They might need a flash light. They've got their heads so far up their collective arses that I doubt even a glimmer of ambient light makes it that deep.

imo, you're wrong, and baja just has too much cred invested in McD to have any sense of humor anymore, but you're posting some funny stuff.

gunns
09-30-2011, 01:53 PM
Your point about "that remains to be seen" is so f&cking retarded that I can't wrap my head around it. He has started 3 games! The point is we have to give him a chance! And you must have missed preseason action the past 2 years where there have been several examples of how well Tebow throws the deep ball. Probably one of his greatest strengths. And he has thrown on the run with accuracy many times. Why am I even replying to your post?

I don't know why you're replying, that's something you have to figure out on your own.

Obviously you saw MUCH MORE than I did in those 3 games last year. I won't even address preseason. Hell, even Quinn had his moments in preseason and Mike Kafka was the #1 QB, whoohoo.

What I did notice is the 2 games he ran more in we lost. Now I don't have a problem at all with an occassional run, but he seems to do it when he can't figure out what to do which was often. He definitely had his moments which I can understand the "excitement" part. I was impressed with his deep ball, it was nice to see again but it was often NOT accurate.

You Tebownites struggle with reading comprehension. I have said we should start him. But not because of what I've seen but what I want to see. He cannot keep running the majority of the time. Even Vick found more success once he started throwing and accurately. A completion percentage of 50% won't cut it. And THAT is why we should start him. If these are easy fixes for this guy let's get started. But, again, it is not because I believe he is our savior and because of what I saw in those 3 games. In fact those 3 games give me apprehension. Just remember, stats NEVER tell the whole story.

ScottXray
09-30-2011, 02:02 PM
Heavens no his posts don't make us hate Tebow, it makes us laugh at his posts. As if there is a stat yet brought by Tebow that is any reflection on how he will play if started. Me, I'd love for them to start Tebow. Our current situation isn't moving forward and we may as well see what we've got.

No, most of us don't hate Tebow, we just don't think he's the savior and while we would like exciting games, they are generally games you win and that's what we want. If it's merely excitement, get a gerbil or some batteries.

LOLLOL:strong:

TheReverend
09-30-2011, 02:27 PM
<EMBED height=360 type=application/x-shockwave-flash width=640 src=http://www.youtube.com/v/7tnR3qpBD_I?version=3 allowScriptAccess="always" allowfullscreen="true">

At End of Video:

Amobi Okoye to Tebow: Lose some weight so it's easier to tackle you

Meanwhile...

Dareus to Orton: Thanks for falling on me for my first sack!

hambone13
09-30-2011, 02:40 PM
At End of Video:

Amobi Okoye to Tebow: Lose some weight so it's easier to tackle you

Meanwhile...

Dareus to Orton: Thanks for falling on me for my first sack!

That's pretty funny but he he is a bit dwarfed by Matt Schaub. I didn't realize he was that f'n big!

TheReverend
09-30-2011, 02:47 PM
That's pretty funny but he he is a bit dwarfed by Matt Schaub. I didn't realize he was that f'n big!

It's a two inch difference. The camera angle makes it seem more dramatic.

DrFate
09-30-2011, 02:47 PM
What is this 'the fans are on their feet' business from the announcer?

Hogan11
09-30-2011, 02:56 PM
I don't get why people like you are so sure that Tebow will suck. I mean, you sound like a complete tool with this comment. He has produced when given the chance. And its not unreasonable for fans to expect first round pick, heisman trophy winning players be given a chance on the field.

This organization is in shambles.

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit I guess. I suggest you reread my post and then it might dawn on you that it was more about Fox than the object of half the board's mancrush.

baja
09-30-2011, 02:56 PM
imo, you're wrong, and baja just has too much cred invested in McD to have any sense of humor anymore, but you're posting some funny stuff.


Not after SpyGate

My problem is with Bowlen for giving MCD too much power after he said he would hire a strong GM. Then firing him with four games left. Both moves of a dysfunctional owner. I wish MCD were the whole problem because he is gone where as Bowlen will always stay. We now have an "AL Davis" magnitude of a problem.

Let's hope Elway can keep Pat focused on some shinny object while learning to become a great GM

vonqkilla
09-30-2011, 02:56 PM
That video gets me so hyped, I forgot how fun that was. Crowd was nuts. I was there, most fun at the place ive had. He should have stayed on and played lb.

hambone13
09-30-2011, 03:40 PM
It's a two inch difference. The camera angle makes it seem more dramatic.

I considered that but it still looked like more. I wonder if he's a true 6'3" though. It seems to me most players squeeze in an inch on their stat sheets.

OBF1
09-30-2011, 05:48 PM
Really....it's just another Tebow whinefest. I really wish that story of trading him to the Colts didn't come from Bleacher Report because I wanted it to be true.

The thing that gets me is that people are actually surprised by Fox's boring offensive strategy and his favoring of veterans. You guys haven't seen any Panthers football games over the last decade and it shows.

That's who Fox is, that's what we get with him as HC and the shirkers all have the nerve to act surprised, threaten to turn off their TV's and run for the door. Well don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out because odds are good Tebow won't see the field under any circumstances this year (as a QB, I know he already made his memorable debut @ WR) and he'll be delt (if not outright cut) by next season.

Only "Real" fans are content/happy with a POS team that has no future this season. On 1 hand I want Denver to keep playing orton so we suck enough to get a very high draft pick, But this team is so hard to watch... Or make a damn change and open the game up and make something happen.

Personally I think this team is not only bad, but real hard to watch, But go ahead Ray, you just keep cheering for this crappy product on the field and be happy with the continual weekly beat downs...


Atleast they are still better than your Pirates and Georgia poodle dog teams you cheer for.


I just reread what I posted and now it is clear why Hogan loves the product he is seeing every weekend, He is so used to shi tty favorite teams (Pirates/bulldogs) that he has become content with crap.

Blueflame
09-30-2011, 05:59 PM
Only "Real" fans are content/happy with a POS team that has no future this season. On 1 hand I want Denver to keep playing orton so we suck enough to get a very high draft pick, But this team is so hard to watch... Or make a damn change and open the game up and make something happen.

Personally I think this team is not only bad, but real hard to watch, But go ahead Ray, you just keep cheering for this crappy product on the field and be happy with the continual weekly beat downs...


Atleast they are still better than your Pirates and Georgia poodle dog teams you cheer for.


I just reread what I posted and now it is clear why Hogan loves the product he is seeing every weekend, He is so used to shi tty favorite teams (Pirates/bulldogs) that he has become content with crap.

I don't think any Broncos fans are "happy" or "content" with losing. But it is what it is and the tough times (as a fan) only make the good times and winning all the sweeter. No team wins all the time; every team in the NFL has experienced a loss in a game they "coulda; shoulda" won... and conversely, they've all eked out a win in a game that everyone thought they'd lose.

Inkana7
09-30-2011, 06:23 PM
Only "Real" fans are content/happy with a POS team that has no future this season. On 1 hand I want Denver to keep playing orton so we suck enough to get a very high draft pick, But this team is so hard to watch... Or make a damn change and open the game up and make something happen.

Personally I think this team is not only bad, but real hard to watch, But go ahead Ray, you just keep cheering for this crappy product on the field and be happy with the continual weekly beat downs...


Atleast they are still better than your Pirates and Georgia poodle dog teams you cheer for.


I just reread what I posted and now it is clear why Hogan loves the product he is seeing every weekend, He is so used to shi tty favorite teams (Pirates/bulldogs) that he has become content with crap.

No one is happy with losing or content with bad teams. Stop saying this, Orangemane.

GreeleyGrizzley
09-30-2011, 06:32 PM
"When we get down there, give me a shot, I'll get it in for ya, you know what I'm saying"

That right there...

db56
09-30-2011, 06:49 PM
Yeah, I wonder how long J. Fox is willing to ride it out with Orton? He has a reputation for staying with veterans way tooo long...

I was all for giving Boreton the job based off of TC, I was dissappointed that TT didnt bury him but realistically that would be a lot to ask, especially since in practice there is no pass rush allowed..

I wonder though, how long the FO can keep toughting Orton when they are losing every game.

baja
09-30-2011, 07:07 PM
I think we should start Ron Paul

epicSocialism4tw
09-30-2011, 09:22 PM
I think we should start Ron Paul

Chances are good that Paul would have a better pocket presence.

Broncoman13
09-30-2011, 09:23 PM
Orton will get booed off the field when they return to SAF for the Chargers game. Right now the Broncos best friend is playing away from home. This fanbase has really become frustrated with the organization and EFX are about to step in the path of a rabid pack of fans that will show little to no mercy...even for the Duke. Sadly, Elway stepped into a horrible situation and isn't going to have the grace period he needs to fix this thing.

And nobody at the EFX level is going to listen to the snot nosed Patrick Smyth when he tries to tell they are marching down a dangerous path. But you can be sure, if the Broncos don't make a change soon, EFX won't have a chance to turn this thing around.

PS. You can take that whole "reconnect with the fans" song and dance and shove it.

baja
09-30-2011, 09:55 PM
Orton will get booed off the field when they return to SAF for the Chargers game. Right now the Broncos best friend is playing away from home. This fanbase has really become frustrated with the organization and EFX are about to step in the path of a rabid pack of fans that will show little to no mercy...even for the Duke. Sadly, Elway stepped into a horrible situation and isn't going to have the grace period he needs to fix this thing.

And nobody at the EFX level is going to listen to the snot nosed Patrick Smyth when he tries to tell they are marching down a dangerous path. But you can be sure, if the Broncos don't make a change soon, EFX won't have a chance to turn this thing around.

PS. You can take that whole "reconnect with the fans" song and dance and shove it.

Don't forget the TSA style body searches and showing up for the game 4 hours early mandate, that should help the mood of the faithful.

vonqkilla
09-30-2011, 09:57 PM
It can all be made right with one move.

Broncoman13
09-30-2011, 10:05 PM
It can all be made right with one move.

It will pacify the fanbase for the rest of the season anyhow. Still, if Tebow gets put in the mix it will help... but he isn't going to change anything either. Part of me thinks that perhaps Elway is in fact protecting him by not playing him. Bronco fans have to face it, this team isn't going to win many games whether it's Tebow, Orton, or Quinn. Maybe the Broncos are playing this smart???

Blueflame
09-30-2011, 10:07 PM
It can all be made right with one move.

Unless the coaches are right and Tebow isn't ready to start. If that's the case, starting him (too early) makes nothing "right"; if he is thrust into the spotlight and then fails miserably all that does is to erase any and all trade value he might currently have.

vonqkilla
09-30-2011, 10:50 PM
Unless the coaches are right and Tebow isn't ready to start. If that's the case, starting him (too early) makes nothing "right"; if he is thrust into the spotlight and then fails miserably all that does is to erase any and all trade value he might currently have.

Trust your eyes. Not the coaches, not mike lombardi, not merrill, not al breer.

What did your eyes tell you on Hillis?

On Sharpe?

Pryce?

Heyward?

If you want stats 24 vs 18 is TT vs Ort. He is as ready as Cam, Dalyon, Colt, and Bradford. #1 most productive player in the entire league the last 3 weeks.

If that doesnt slam the effing door on Hoge/Lombardi and the haters then nothing will.

Most productive player in the ENTIRE NFL.


If you dont trust your own eyes whats the point of being a diehard fan that posts on a messageboard for christ sakes.

Blueflame
09-30-2011, 11:27 PM
Trust your eyes. Not the coaches, not mike lombardi, not merrill, not al breer.

What did your eyes tell you on Hillis?

On Sharpe?

Pryce?

Heyward?

If you want stats 24 vs 18 is TT vs Ort. He is as ready as Cam, Dalyon, Colt, and Bradford. #1 most productive player in the entire league the last 3 weeks.

If that doesnt slam the effing door on Hoge/Lombardi and the haters then nothing will.

Most productive player in the ENTIRE NFL.


If you dont trust your own eyes whats the point of being a diehard fan that posts on a messageboard for christ sakes.

It appears to me that you're heavily emotionally invested in Tebow. Good luck with that and if he sees playing time, I genuinely hope you're right.

KipCorrington25
09-30-2011, 11:38 PM
Hey - at least we're not Chiefs fans . ..

Getting there...........slowly, but surely....

Not enough meth, fast food, and unemployment.

vonqkilla
09-30-2011, 11:54 PM
It appears to me that you're heavily emotionally invested in Tebow. Good luck with that and if he sees playing time, I genuinely hope you're right.

Ive followed him since his hs days, but im not blind to his flaws. Im more invested in the broncos and my expertise in prognosticating players performance. Elway looked barely capable for 3 years until 86. Tebow looked way better than rookie John, maybe due to rules changes, but still, I feel as strongly about tebows future as I did about Elways. Not that he will be as good, but that he will be a very good qb, and win a championship with an offense built for him.

SoCalBronco
09-30-2011, 11:58 PM
Orton will get booed off the field when they return to SAF for the Chargers game. Right now the Broncos best friend is playing away from home. This fanbase has really become frustrated with the organization and EFX are about to step in the path of a rabid pack of fans that will show little to no mercy...even for the Duke. Sadly, Elway stepped into a horrible situation and isn't going to have the grace period he needs to fix this thing.

And nobody at the EFX level is going to listen to the snot nosed Patrick Smyth when he tries to tell they are marching down a dangerous path. But you can be sure, if the Broncos don't make a change soon, EFX won't have a chance to turn this thing around.

PS. You can take that whole "reconnect with the fans" song and dance and shove it.

A tremendous post by Alex as usual.

This is fast getting out of control for the FO. It's rather evident from Elway's comments in Rev's thread about the blame game that they're starting to crack. You're right....it doesn't matter whose in charge, not even if its Elway. Bowlen made a huge miscalculation (again) that people would simply shut up once Elway was in charge, no matter what. Well....he guessed wrong. Now, he's on the precipice of an absolute disaster and he's put his greatest player in the line of fire needlessly...all because he thought he could appease the fan base without making the painful and costly changes necessary to really turn things around.

Your ass is on the line here, old man. There are even people here that used to be dyed in the wool homers that are pointing their finger at you. It's not just me and Rev anymore. Everyone is going to hate you in the end. You better turn this **** around, hire quality people and stop being a cheap piece of dog****.

If you don't clean up your act, the fans are going to bleed you dry financially by not going to games, not buying your plastic crap and so forth. It hasn't gotten to that point yet, but you've robbed them of the special thrill that used to be around this team and they're going to repay you in the pocket books. If you're worried about money now....you haven't seen nothing yet.

If this team gets raped by Green Bay, it could be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Buckle up.

vonqkilla
10-01-2011, 12:05 AM
X2 Socal, SD at home is going to be insane. Hoping for tix so bad!!! If I get some im making a Tebow escalator sign just for fun. The 2nd half could turn into a 40000 person Tebow rally.

TonyR
10-01-2011, 07:13 AM
...they are marching down a dangerous path. But you can be sure, if the Broncos don't make a change soon, EFX won't have a chance to turn this thing around.

Hyperbole. Winning cures everything. Even if they lost the whole fan base this season, which they won't, if they start building something and start winning in a year or two all the fans will be back. They're still getting their TV revenue and still selling most of the seats. Yes the team and situation sucks right now but you guys are being overly dramatic. If they decide to plug Tebow in later and he succeeds, or if we completely bomb this season and land Luck, or whatver scenario you want to insert here, all will be forgiven if we put a winner on the field. Fans are fickle, and it goes both directions.

TonyR
10-01-2011, 07:15 AM
...the fans are going to bleed you dry financially...

Incorrect, as I noted in my post above. Come on, you know better than this.

vonqkilla
10-01-2011, 07:28 AM
Incorrect, as I noted in my post above. Come on, you know better than this.

TV ratings, radio ratings matter, as do concessions, parking, whatever.

It's why Tebow started the last 3 games post Stl walkout at halftime. Not entirely, but a big reason. Paige or Leggy wrote about the financials of the half filled Invesco.

Broncoman13
10-01-2011, 08:34 AM
Hyperbole. Winning cures everything. Even if they lost the whole fan base this season, which they won't, if they start building something and start winning in a year or two all the fans will be back. They're still getting their TV revenue and still selling most of the seats. Yes the team and situation sucks right now but you guys are being overly dramatic. If they decide to plug Tebow in later and he succeeds, or if we completely bomb this season and land Luck, or whatver scenario you want to insert here, all will be forgiven if we put a winner on the field. Fans are fickle, and it goes both directions.

You are right that winning cures everything, but the trick is to give the fanbase glimpses of what is to come. The theme going into this season from the Broncos front office was "Reconnect with the fans". That was a calculated PR move and right now, you can be sure that isn't happening. In fact, it's pretty easy to argue they are further distancing themselves from the fans.

The Broncos are in down years, I think this is easily a two or three year rebuilding project. But you have to get through the first year of that rebuild and maintain your relationship with the fans. You can sugar coat it any way you'd like, if we win games the fans will show up. No doubt, so what do you do when you aren't winning games to keep the fans interested and buy yourself the time needed to rebuild? Boring football is not the answer. And like I've said before, when a young kid like Patrick Smyth goes to guys like EFX and lets them know this exact thing, they are just gonna look at him like he's some young snot nosed kid and continue to do their thing.

I can see the improvements on this team already. I'm a pretty patient person and I'm willing to give this FO the time it needs to fix this team. But there is no doubt in my mind that I'm in the minority with my mindset and perspective. The majority of the fanbase is of the win now mindset. You want to pacify them, put in Tebow with a message that says, "We're rebuilding". The current message, of we're trying to win now and Kyle Orton gives us our best chance to win is just infuriating the majority of the fan base.

Cito Pelon
10-01-2011, 09:57 AM
It will pacify the fanbase for the rest of the season anyhow. Still, if Tebow gets put in the mix it will help... but he isn't going to change anything either. Part of me thinks that perhaps Elway is in fact protecting him by not playing him. Bronco fans have to face it, this team isn't going to win many games whether it's Tebow, Orton, or Quinn. Maybe the Broncos are playing this smart???

Eh, I guess Elway and Fox are looking at the QB situation as a conservative gambler does, play to the percentages. Play those percentages until your stack of chips is getting too low, then and only then start taking risks.

Yeah, it's exciting to take risks, but like you said maybe they're worried Tebow will tuck and run too often and get hammered by LB's (as he did in this PS). And then you're right back to a neutered Kyle Orton if Tebow gets injured. Maybe that's their thinking, I don't know.

From my armchair I can say I would install Tebow as the starter during the bye week and let the chips fall where they may. But it's not my job on the line, I'm not privy to lockerroom dynamics, and I don't see how Tebow runs the O in practice.

Hogan11
10-01-2011, 10:39 AM
Only "Real" fans are content/happy with a POS team that has no future this season. On 1 hand I want Denver to keep playing orton so we suck enough to get a very high draft pick, But this team is so hard to watch... Or make a damn change and open the game up and make something happen.

Personally I think this team is not only bad, but real hard to watch, But go ahead Ray, you just keep cheering for this crappy product on the field and be happy with the continual weekly beat downs...


Atleast they are still better than your Pirates and Georgia poodle dog teams you cheer for.


I just reread what I posted and now it is clear why Hogan loves the product he is seeing every weekend, He is so used to shi tty favorite teams (Pirates/bulldogs) that he has become content with crap.

Wow Dimitri, that's some really weak sauce.

Did you go to UF or something? If you did, that would totally explain why you missed the entire point of my post, even after rereading it.

Chris
10-01-2011, 10:46 AM
The reaction of some fans to a 1-2 record (in 3 games where we were competitive) during a rebuilding year is borderline psychotic.

TonyR
10-01-2011, 10:46 AM
But you have to get through the first year of that rebuild and maintain your relationship with the fans.

Even if they go 1-15 this year they're still going to sell the season tickets and get their TV revenue. Yes, that's far from an ideal situation. Fans aren't going to be happy, the press will be negative, and concessions and merchandise sales will be down. But the franchise would survive. Look at the era of futility the Detroit Lions, for example, just went through.

Our concern here isn't the survival of the franchise. It's whether or not Bowlen intends to use the resources necessary to support a top tier organization, and whether or not he has the right people in place to build and run that organization. And anyone thinking Tim Tebow alone is the solution is going to be disappointed no matter what.

Dedhed
10-01-2011, 11:12 AM
Wow Dimitri, that's some really weak sauce.

Did you go to UF or something? If you did, that would totally explain why you missed the entire point of my post, even after rereading it.

WE get it, you're butt-sore that Tebow turned your beloved Georgia Bulldogs into an embarrassment, and that you'll never like him because of it.

KO5K
10-01-2011, 11:39 AM
The reaction of some fans to a 1-2 record (in 3 games where we were competitive) during a rebuilding year is borderline psychotic.

People (including myself) made these same excuses just last season.

Week 1: "man, Jacksonville only beat us by a TD and it was an early morning east coast game, we always lose those! Some good things to take from the loss."

Week 2: "**** yeah! We just crushed them Seahawks. Thomas is going to be a beast this year! Watch out rest of the NFC West if thats the best you got to offer up!"

Week 3: "We controlled the ball and marched up and down on the Colts. As soon as we find a rhythm and turn these FGs into TDs we're going to be good!"

Week 4: "Man, with a beat up club we just owned the Titans in their house, Orton looks like a pro-bowler this year! Watch out NFL, Broncos on the move!"

Week 5: "Another early east coast game against a real good Ravens team, no reason to panic here folks, we'll pick it up!"

Week 6: "We played the Jets to the wire, a few extra breaks and we knock off a team who made the AFCC last year!"

Week 7: "**** WAS THAT?!?"

See how it goes? We've scuffled and gone 1-2 against some pretty mediocre teams. Oakland dominated us and their own mistakes were the only thing that kept it close. Tennessee played a sloppy game while we had the cleanest performance in probably two or three years, but we still lost and only put up 14 points. We beat Cincy in Denver, barely, and came very close to letting Cincy get in field goal range for the win before the defense finally held up against a rookie QB.

1-2, soon to be 1-4.

Requiem
10-01-2011, 11:40 AM
The reaction of some fans to a 1-2 record (in 3 games where we were competitive) during a rebuilding year is borderline psychotic.

Chris,

It isn't just this season, it isn't just the record. People are fed up since being a franchise on the slide since Pittsburgh beat us in the AFCCG in 2005. We've been on a coaching and personnel shift for several years now. We haven't had a solid scheme in place for a long time -- offensively or defensively. We have players on this team (D.J. Williams and Bailey) who have experienced a slough of different defensive coordinators since they've been with the team, some players have switched positions multiple times.

None of the aforementioned helps breed consistency or a winning foundation, but I can highlight some bright spots so far in the EFX Era.

The Broncos getting Von and Rahim is big for the future. Both of these guys can be special players. We are already seeing consistent play by Von and Rahim has not done bad either. Fox and Allen are a terrific combination to get the defense rolling around. Hopefully a healthy Dumervil and Bailey will help us improve more, along with a few FA next off-season and two early selections spent on the defense. I have faith that those two, who have strong defensive coaching credentials can make that work. They've done well considering we have some key starters out and some average players starting on our defense. I'm not really worried here.

I'm worried that Fox and McCoy will not be able to turn this offense around. I'm not impressed with the running game thus far and Orton isn't getting it done at quarterback. The Broncos know that Orton isn't going to be the QBOTF here, so I do not understand their unwillingness to play Tebow. Averaging less than 20 points a game on offense is unacceptable. We can do better than that.

I'm not even a firm believer in Tebow being the answer, but I want some excitement at quarterback. I want to believe on Sundays that we might have a chance to win. Hardly any fan has confidence in Orton being able to get it done when the game is on the line. If Tebow fails at his opportunity at QB, it will help the Broncos address prioritizing QB as a major need moving forward. What is the harm in seeing what he can do?

I think us fans have some adequate concerns. If the defense can keep us in the next few games and the offense continues to struggle, a move should be made during the BYE for adequate preparation afterwards. We are firmly staring a 1-4 start in the eye. If that happens, we need to go a different direction because attaining .500 would still be an incredibly difficult task.

Blueflame
10-01-2011, 11:53 AM
You are right that winning cures everything, but the trick is to give the fanbase glimpses of what is to come. The theme going into this season from the Broncos front office was "Reconnect with the fans". That was a calculated PR move and right now, you can be sure that isn't happening. In fact, it's pretty easy to argue they are further distancing themselves from the fans.

The Broncos are in down years, I think this is easily a two or three year rebuilding project. But you have to get through the first year of that rebuild and maintain your relationship with the fans. You can sugar coat it any way you'd like, if we win games the fans will show up. No doubt, so what do you do when you aren't winning games to keep the fans interested and buy yourself the time needed to rebuild? Boring football is not the answer. And like I've said before, when a young kid like Patrick Smyth goes to guys like EFX and lets them know this exact thing, they are just gonna look at him like he's some young snot nosed kid and continue to do their thing.

I can see the improvements on this team already. I'm a pretty patient person and I'm willing to give this FO the time it needs to fix this team. But there is no doubt in my mind that I'm in the minority with my mindset and perspective. The majority of the fanbase is of the win now mindset. You want to pacify them, put in Tebow with a message that says, "We're rebuilding". The current message, of we're trying to win now and Kyle Orton gives us our best chance to win is just infuriating the majority of the fan base.

Just what are fan expectations in the season after going 4-12, though, BMan13? I certainly didn't expect playoffs in the very next season especially considering that FA was limited due to the lockout. As a fan, my expectations are modest (somewhere in 6 to 9 win range). But with any signs of improvement (and I've seen very positive signs from the defense and special teams; it will come with the offense as a young O-line starts to "gel") the true fans won't abandon the team. Those who do.... well, there's a not-so-nice term for that kind of fan: fairweather (or bandwagon).

Smilin Assassin
10-01-2011, 11:56 AM
I'm not even a firm believer in Tebow being the answer, but I want some excitement at quarterback. I want to believe on Sundays that we might have a chance to win. Hardly any fan has confidence in Orton being able to get it done when the game is on the line. If Tebow fails at his opportunity at QB, it will help the Broncos address prioritizing QB as a major need moving forward. What is the harm in seeing what he can do?


This.

I think Broncos fans, as a whole, are more willing to lose w/Tim than Kyle at this point. (Not that we would lose w/Tim, who knows..).

Losing w/Kyle Orton at the helm keeps us running in place. Winning/Losing w/Tim Tebow shows us where we are, or where we need to go in the future. And, I might add, adds some excitement either way.

Insanity: 'In-san-it-e' (Noun): Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.

OABB
10-01-2011, 01:39 PM
This.

I think Broncos fans, as a whole, are more willing to lose w/Tim than Kyle at this point. (Not that we would lose w/Tim, who knows..).

Losing w/Kyle Orton at the helm keeps us running in place. Winning/Losing w/Tim Tebow shows us where we are, or where we need to go in the future. And, I might add, adds some excitement either way.

Insanity: 'In-san-it-e' (Noun): Doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results.

qfmft.

peacepipe
10-01-2011, 02:04 PM
Watching Tebow is a little like watching Barry Sanders or Michael Vick.
He may make a bad play, but you know that he's going to make an exciting and unexpected successful play to match it.

exciting is nice but last I checked niether could lead their team to a SB.

razorwire77
10-01-2011, 02:16 PM
Chris,
I'm not even a firm believer in Tebow being the answer, but I want some excitement at quarterback. I want to believe on Sundays that we might have a chance to win. Hardly any fan has confidence in Orton being able to get it done when the game is on the line. If Tebow fails at his opportunity at QB, it will help the Broncos address prioritizing QB as a major need moving forward. What is the harm in seeing what he can do?

I think us fans have some adequate concerns. If the defense can keep us in the next few games and the offense continues to struggle, a move should be made during the BYE for adequate preparation afterwards. We are firmly staring a 1-4 start in the eye. If that happens, we need to go a different direction because attaining .500 would still be an incredibly difficult task.

I think this is spot on, and pretty much encapsulates the feelings of most of the fan base. I'm thinking they make the switch during the BYE if the 1-4 scenario comes true. At that point, there is no rational grumbling that the veterans on the team can make and Fox can basically say "we tried Orton and the offense was largely ineffective, now it's time to reevaluate players for the remainder of the season." I really doubt that EFX are going to wait until week 10 or something to switch things up. Tebow will start as early as Miami on the road.

bigbucks24
10-01-2011, 02:20 PM
Because we needed 1 more thread saying Tebow is GOD and Orton sucks ass. Thanks.

Sim Pilot 4.0
10-01-2011, 03:31 PM
Watching Tebow is a little like watching Barry Sanders or Michael Vick.

He may make a bad play, but you know that he's going to make an exciting and unexpected successful play to match it.

We cannot win with that type of play over the long haul. I think Tebow brings excitement but I want to win on a regular basis too.

Agamemnon
10-01-2011, 03:32 PM
We cannot win with that type of play over the long haul. I think Tebow brings excitement but I want to win on a regular basis too.

We can't win with Orton in the short or long term so that's really neither here nor there right now.

Sim Pilot 4.0
10-01-2011, 03:49 PM
We can't win with Orton in the short or long term so that's really neither here nor there right now.

The truth is we cant win with any of them. Orton, Tebow or Quinn. We need a complete overhaul. Blueflame made a great comment that I have discussed with a bunch of people. Our right tackle is just above bad. How can we expect Tebow to perform with Franklin getting blown up. there is nothing worse than seeing your quarterbacks head going backward from getting hit in the back.

Tebow is a lefty so the right tackle is the key. do you think that fox has factored this into the equation? Orton has Clady protecting his backside. Tebow will have franklin. I dont like that scenario!

Agamemnon
10-01-2011, 03:56 PM
The truth is we cant win with any of them. Orton, Tebow or Quinn. We need a complete overhaul. Blueflame made a great comment that I have discussed with a bunch of people. Our right tackle is just above bad. How can we expect Tebow to perform with Franklin getting blown up. there is nothing worse than seeing your quarterbacks head going backward from getting hit in the back.

Tebow is a lefty so the right tackle is the key. do you think that fox has factored this into the equation? Orton has Clady protecting his backside. Tebow will have franklin. I dont like that scenario!

Tebow is mobile. Orton is not. Of the two, Tebow is by far the better choice if protection breaks down.

Archer81
10-01-2011, 04:00 PM
The truth is we cant win with any of them. Orton, Tebow or Quinn. We need a complete overhaul. Blueflame made a great comment that I have discussed with a bunch of people. 1. Our right tackle is just above bad. 2. How can we expect Tebow to perform with Franklin getting blown up. there is nothing worse than seeing your quarterbacks head going backward from getting hit in the back.

3. Tebow is a lefty so the right tackle is the key. do you think that fox has factored this into the equation? 4.Orton has Clady protecting his backside. Tebow will have franklin. I dont like that scenario!

1. A rookie RT. And our definitions of "above bad" is wildly different.

2. Unlike Orton, Tebow can actually get away from pressure.

3. Best pass rushers line up facing the LT. Our LT is a probowler.

4. So stick with Orton because you believe our RT is a weakness? Yeah...that will fix things.

:Broncos:

cabronco
10-01-2011, 04:01 PM
The truth is we cant win with any of them. Orton, Tebow or Quinn. We need a complete overhaul. Blueflame made a great comment that I have discussed with a bunch of people. Our right tackle is just above bad. How can we expect Tebow to perform with Franklin getting blown up. there is nothing worse than seeing your quarterbacks head going backward from getting hit in the back.

Tebow is a lefty so the right tackle is the key. do you think that fox has factored this into the equation? Orton has Clady protecting his backside. Tebow will have franklin. I dont like that scenario!


I agree about Franklin and was also thinking that's a good enough reason not to toss Tebow in the offense at least til they feel a little more comfortable w/ Franklin protecting the back side. They can always use a TE to help him out, but doesnt always happen either. But if we keep on losing they need to give Tebow the chance. Then they have more info. on whether to get a top tier qb in next years draft or not. If we happen to pick first , I think you can bank on Elway getting Luck.

Sim Pilot 4.0
10-01-2011, 04:04 PM
Tebow is mobile. Orton is not. Of the two, Tebow is by far the better choice if protection breaks down.

There is no question about who has better mobility. Mobility does not make a difference if you can't see the lion coming. Tebow can dodge a lot of hits but there is a rookie on his blindside. He's good but he is not god.

Tebow is a gamer but he still has a long slow release. Having a rookie at right tackle playing sub par is a disaster waiting to happen. I want him to play but I don't want him to get injured. I think the coaching staff is considering this factor too. If he is considered the future qb you don't throw him to the wolves with no armor on his backside.

peacepipe
10-01-2011, 04:12 PM
There is no question about who has better mobility. Mobility does not make a difference if you can't see the lion coming. Tebow can dodge a lot of hits but there is a rookie on his blindside. He's good but he is not god.

Tebow is a gamer but he still has a long slow release. Having a rookie at right tackle playing sub par is a disaster waiting to happen. I want him to play but I don't want him to get injured. I think the coaching staff is considering this factor too. If he is considered the future qb you don't throw him to the wolves with no armor on his backside.Olinemane are trained to protect a pocket, they can't do that if they don't know where the QB is going be at any given time.

Sim Pilot 4.0
10-01-2011, 04:19 PM
1. A rookie RT. And our definitions of "above bad" is wildly different.

2. Unlike Orton, Tebow can actually get away from pressure.

3. Best pass rushers line up facing the LT. Our LT is a probowler.

4. So stick with Orton because you believe our RT is a weakness? Yeah...that will fix things.

:Broncos:

1. I was trying to be positive about franklin. He is a rookie that is only an excuse if he plays part time. He is just a notch above bad compared to where he was against the raiders. In that game he was like a noodle strainer.

2. Tebow has mobility but he does not have eyes in the back of his head. Be realistic. if franklin is getting beat consistently tebow is going to take punishment.

3. How many times did Orton get sacked in games because of Clady? It's mostly because of franklin and he can see what's coming. you are right most teams put their best pass rusher against the left tackle because most QBs are right handed. It doesnt mean that the worst rusher is against the right tackle.

4. I did not say stick with Orton. I said the coaching staff has to consider his blind side.

Punisher
10-01-2011, 04:23 PM
The Thrill left a long long time ago

Sim Pilot 4.0
10-01-2011, 04:26 PM
Olinemane are trained to protect a pocket, they can't do that if they don't know where the QB is going be at any given time.

Good point. Tebow is all over the place. His footwork is all over the place. I know we all look at the texans game but he made terrible passes and got knocked down a lot in that game. If he can't be consistent in using the pocket he will be limited to pulling the ball down and running all the time.

Archer81
10-01-2011, 04:35 PM
1. I was trying to be positive about franklin. He is a rookie that is only an excuse if he plays part time. He is just a notch above bad compared to where he was against the raiders. In that game he was like a noodle strainer.

2. Tebow has mobility but he does not have eyes in the back of his head. Be realistic. if franklin is getting beat consistently tebow is going to take punishment.

3. How many times did Orton get sacked in games because of Clady? It's mostly because of franklin and he can see what's coming. you are right most teams put their best pass rusher against the left tackle because most QBs are right handed. It doesnt mean that the worst rusher is against the right tackle.

4. I did not say stick with Orton. I said the coaching staff has to consider his blind side.


1. Our entire offensive line was owned against Oakland but you point out Franklin specifically. He is a mauling right tackle, who has average pass blocking skills. This season will be a work in progress, but already he has improved from game 1 to game 3. Which is exactly what you want from any rookie.

2. Franklin is not getting beat consistently. Denver has allowed 8 sacks this season, 5 in week 1. They allowed a single sack last week against TN.

3. I can remember Orton not stepping up in the pocket and having the ball stripped after what would have been Clady running the DE out of the play.

4. You are implying, intentionally or otherwise that Denver is better off with Orton because he is right handed, and our best passblocker is the LT. Tacit aknowledgement that you prefer Orton as the starter, at least for now.

:Broncos:

Sim Pilot 4.0
10-01-2011, 04:37 PM
I agree about Franklin and was also thinking that's a good enough reason not to toss Tebow in the offense at least til they feel a little more comfortable w/ Franklin protecting the back side. They can always use a TE to help him out, but doesnt always happen either. But if we keep on losing they need to give Tebow the chance. Then they have more info. on whether to get a top tier qb in next years draft or not. If we happen to pick first , I think you can bank on Elway getting Luck.

Right! This is where I stand on this too. Tebow is a great weapon to have but you can't risk getting him blasted constantly and you limit the offense more because we have to use the TE to help out.

On the other hand he needs to be on the field. I don't want him feeling like Drew Bledsoe after being beat to death. let orton take the lumps. He doesnt want to be here anyway.

Sim Pilot 4.0
10-01-2011, 05:11 PM
1. Our entire offensive line was owned against Oakland but you point out Franklin specifically. He is a mauling right tackle, who has average pass blocking skills. This season will be a work in progress, but already he has improved from game 1 to game 3. Which is exactly what you want from any rookie.

2. Franklin is not getting beat consistently. Denver has allowed 8 sacks this season, 5 in week 1. They allowed a single sack last week against TN.

3. I can remember Orton not stepping up in the pocket and having the ball stripped after what would have been Clady running the DE out of the play. And does this mean that Tebow can't be stripped, fumble or throw interceptions?

4. You are implying, intentionally or otherwise that Denver is better off with Orton because he is right handed, and our best passblocker is the LT. Tacit aknowledgement that you prefer Orton as the starter, at least for now.

:Broncos:

1. Yes I am pointing out Franklin. I'm doing this because he got torched over and over by the raiders DEs. We havent faced a line like theirs since but we have to be concerned. Franklin has improved but he is not good yet. An honest grade would be just above bad or mediocre. He is a mauler in the run game but too slow footed for speed rushers with power. He does not have the versatility to handle a DE with both speed and power. I don't like the idea of him being the person protecting Tebows back. This does not mean that I am down on his talent. He just needs to be better before we insert Tebow.

2. It does not matter what the totals are the pressure and having a collapsed pocket on Tebows backside is a problem. If Tebow has to make a pass to the right and the pocket is collapsed on that side. The throwing lane will be messed up. It is happening to orton too. Decker wide open but the line allows to much push and the ball gets batted or deflected by a helmet.

3. Ok Orton got stripped. I'm not advocating either QB I'm saying that the coaching staff must have reason to be holding Tebow back and one reason is his blindside. The whole protection issue concerns all QBs on the team.

4. I am not implying anything except for what I have written. If you have drawn a conclusion from my words then maybe you have come to a conclusion that you refuse to admit. I'm saying I want Tebow to play but I don't want him to be killed because of poor offensive line play specifically the right tackle. I also think that the coaching staff has a reason for this. I also know that Tebow will cause more problems for the blocking schemes because as another poster mentioned Tebow is not where he should be in the pocket at times.

maher_tyler
10-01-2011, 06:08 PM
Because we needed 1 more thread saying Tebow is GOD and Orton sucks ass. Thanks.

Yet you still took the time to post in it..if you don't like it, don't post in it! Simple as that!! :thumbsup:

Agamemnon
10-01-2011, 06:33 PM
There is no question about who has better mobility. Mobility does not make a difference if you can't see the lion coming. Tebow can dodge a lot of hits but there is a rookie on his blindside. He's good but he is not god.

Tebow is a gamer but he still has a long slow release. Having a rookie at right tackle playing sub par is a disaster waiting to happen. I want him to play but I don't want him to get injured. I think the coaching staff is considering this factor too. If he is considered the future qb you don't throw him to the wolves with no armor on his backside.

This is quite possibly one of the most disingenuous ways a person has argued for Orton to stay our starter that I've seen so far. It's quite humorous to be honest.

Archer81
10-01-2011, 06:51 PM
1. Yes I am pointing out Franklin. I'm doing this because he got torched over and over by the raiders DEs. We havent faced a line like theirs since but we have to be concerned. Franklin has improved but he is not good yet. An honest grade would be just above bad or mediocre. He is a mauler in the run game but too slow footed for speed rushers with power. He does not have the versatility to handle a DE with both speed and power. I don't like the idea of him being the person protecting Tebows back. This does not mean that I am down on his talent. He just needs to be better before we insert Tebow.

2. It does not matter what the totals are the pressure and having a collapsed pocket on Tebows backside is a problem. If Tebow has to make a pass to the right and the pocket is collapsed on that side. The throwing lane will be messed up. It is happening to orton too. Decker wide open but the line allows to much push and the ball gets batted or deflected by a helmet.

3. Ok Orton got stripped. I'm not advocating either QB I'm saying that the coaching staff must have reason to be holding Tebow back and one reason is his blindside. The whole protection issue concerns all QBs on the team.

4. I am not implying anything except for what I have written. If you have drawn a conclusion from my words then maybe you have come to a conclusion that you refuse to admit. I'm saying I want Tebow to play but I don't want him to be killed because of poor offensive line play specifically the right tackle. I also think that the coaching staff has a reason for this. I also know that Tebow will cause more problems for the blocking schemes because as another poster mentioned Tebow is not where he should be in the pocket at times.


The bolded is beyond interesting.

Also, that is the dumbest argument I ever heard for sitting Tebow. Because the offensive line might be bad. Are you kidding? If the line is as horrible, specifically the RT, would you not want the guy capable of getting OUT of the pocket to play?

Logic fail, my friend.

:Broncos:

Archer81
10-01-2011, 06:54 PM
Good point. Tebow is all over the place. His footwork is all over the place. I know we all look at the texans game but he made terrible passes and got knocked down a lot in that game. If he can't be consistent in using the pocket he will be limited to pulling the ball down and running all the time.


Now I am starting to wonder if you have watched any games this season. Orton's footwork is horrible, his throwing motion is horrible and he throws it right at the dline or at receivers feet.

In short, everything people have been saying Tebow would do, Orton has done.

:Broncos:

Blueflame
10-01-2011, 06:55 PM
This is quite possibly one of the most disingenuous ways a person has argued for Orton to stay our starter that I've seen so far. It's quite humorous to be honest.

You may consider it "disingenuous" to factor in both QBs' blind side protection, but that's something head coaches are expected to do. With a right-handed QB, Clady is the blind side protection. On the other hand, if Tebow starts, we have a QB... and a blind side tackle... who both have a whopping 3 games of NFL experience behind them. Not to mention... they have no experience whatsoever playing together...

No one was "arguing for Orton to stay our starter"... it's merely a possible explanation for why a HC might show a preference for a right-handed QB. The question all the "Start Tebow NOW" people have been asking and asking and asking is "Why isn't it Tebow?" and perhaps the answer to that question might be "to get the rookie on the O-line a little more experience before he's asked to protect the QB's blind side".

Archer81
10-01-2011, 07:01 PM
You may consider it "disingenuous" to factor in both QBs' blind side protection, but that's something head coaches are expected to do. With a right-handed QB, Clady is the blind side protection. On the other hand, if Tebow starts, we have a QB... and a blind side tackle... who both have a whopping 3 games of NFL experience behind them. Not to mention... they have no experience whatsoever playing together...

No one was "arguing for Orton to stay our starter"... it's merely a possible explanation for why a HC might show a preference for a right-handed QB. The question all the "Start Tebow NOW" people have been asking and asking and asking is "Why isn't it Tebow?" and perhaps the answer to that question might be "to get the rookie on the O-line a little more experience before he's asked to protect the QB's blind side".


Whose fault is that? The coaches.

If our offensive line is shaky, why not design motion and bootlegs into the offense to counter it? Oh wait...we have pocket sloth behind center. So defenses ALWAYS know exactly where he will be. Heaven forbid we actually use an athletic QB (this includes Quinn, too btw) to actually add a tiny itty bit of dynacism into the offense.

I thought coaches were coaches because they could figure out the best way to use ALL the talent you have on hand to win. Running it on first and second down and then throwing screens or dumpoffs on 3rd down is hardly effective. But clearly its all pocket sloth is capable of.

I'm not yelling at you, Blue. I'm just frustrated. This team could be alot better than it is, and our "starter" at QB is the slightly retarded looking face that is the source of that frustration.

:Broncos:

Blueflame
10-01-2011, 07:15 PM
Whose fault is that? The coaches.

If our offensive line is shaky, why not design motion and bootlegs into the offense to counter it? Oh wait...we have pocket sloth behind center. So defenses ALWAYS know exactly where he will be. Heaven forbid we actually use an athletic QB (this includes Quinn, too btw) to actually add a tiny itty bit of dynacism into the offense.

I thought coaches were coaches because they could figure out the best way to use ALL the talent you have on hand to win. Running it on first and second down and then throwing screens or dumpoffs on 3rd down is hardly effective. But clearly its all pocket sloth is capable of.

I'm not yelling at you, Blue. I'm just frustrated. This team could be alot better than it is, and our "starter" at QB is the slightly retarded looking face that is the source of that frustration.

:Broncos:

Any time you have an O-line in which 3 of the 5 linemen have less than 20 games of experience, that O-line is going to be "shaky" or even "suspect". Dunno how you can blame the coaches; this is their first season too and they're fielding the best product they can with the "bare cupboard" they inherited.

I understand the frustration... just kinda think it might be aimed in the wrong direction (the dismal shape of the franchise is McDaniels' fault :))

Agamemnon
10-01-2011, 07:16 PM
You may consider it "disingenuous" to factor in both QBs' blind side protection, but that's something head coaches are expected to do. With a right-handed QB, Clady is the blind side protection. On the other hand, if Tebow starts, we have a QB... and a blind side tackle... who both have a whopping 3 games of NFL experience behind them. Not to mention... they have no experience whatsoever playing together...

No one was "arguing for Orton to stay our starter"... it's merely a possible explanation for why a HC might show a preference for a right-handed QB. The question all the "Start Tebow NOW" people have been asking and asking and asking is "Why isn't it Tebow?" and perhaps the answer to that question might be "to get the rookie on the O-line a little more experience before he's asked to protect the QB's blind side".

Oh I definitely consider it disingenuous. Thanks.

Archer81
10-01-2011, 07:19 PM
Any time you have an O-line in which 3 of the 5 linemen have less than 20 games of experience, that O-line is going to be "shaky" or even "suspect". Dunno how you can blame the coaches; this is their first season too and they're fielding the best product they can with the "bare cupboard" they inherited.

I understand the frustration... just kinda think it might be aimed in the wrong direction (the dismal shape of the franchise is McDaniels' fault :))


On defense I believe this. Not so on offense. Our offense is limited because our QB is limited. Until that changes, we should expect more of the same.

:Broncos:

Agamemnon
10-01-2011, 07:24 PM
On defense I believe this. Not so on offense. Our offense is limited because our QB is limited. Until that changes, we should expect more of the same.

:Broncos:

To be fair, our offense is also limited by a poor (or at least inexperienced) o-line and mediocre backs. But that really doesn't change the fact that Orton brings virtually nothing to the table in terms of playmaking or clutch play. Or for that matter, the fact that the guy is not going to be with us beyond this season, and therefore shouldn't be starting because it actually hurts us in the long-term.

Blueflame
10-01-2011, 07:32 PM
Oh I definitely consider it disingenuous. Thanks.

It's still part of a head coach's job.

Blueflame
10-01-2011, 07:36 PM
On defense I believe this. Not so on offense. Our offense is limited because our QB is limited. Until that changes, we should expect more of the same.

:Broncos:

Y'know... QB performance and RB performance are both directly dependent on O-line performance. Our O-line is very young and has a lot of potential for improvement. Improved O-line play will mean improved QB play (regardless of who's the QB) and improved play from the RBs. It starts with the O-line. IMHO.

OABB
10-01-2011, 07:38 PM
Y'know... QB performance and RB performance are both directly dependent on O-line performance. Our O-line is very young and has a lot of potential for improvement. Improved O-line play will mean improved QB play (regardless of who's the QB) and improved play from the RBs. It starts with the O-line. IMHO.

This. Although mobile qbs will fair better against a pass rush than stone shoed qbs.

Requiem
10-01-2011, 07:59 PM
To be fair, our offense is also limited by a poor (or at least inexperienced) o-line and mediocre backs. But that really doesn't change the fact that Orton brings virtually nothing to the table in terms of playmaking or clutch play. Or for that matter, the fact that the guy is not going to be with us beyond this season, and therefore shouldn't be starting because it actually hurts us in the long-term.

Our backs aren't mediocre. The simple reality is that we have a rookie RT and a second-year left guard and center who would struggle if they had to go against Division I AA defensive lines. Beadles and Walton have been terrible since inception. I'm hopeful they can improve, but I'm not banking on it.

errand
10-01-2011, 09:11 PM
Ive followed him since his hs days, but im not blind to his flaws. Im more invested in the broncos and my expertise in prognosticating players performance. Elway looked barely capable for 3 years until 86. Tebow looked way better than rookie John, maybe due to rules changes, but still, I feel as strongly about tebows future as I did about Elways. Not that he will be as good, but that he will be a very good qb, and win a championship with an offense built for him.


The broncos were 13-3 in 1984..... john elway's second season in the nfl. We then went 11- 5 in his third year 1985.

You're really not a very bright guy are you?

vonqkilla
10-01-2011, 09:25 PM
The broncos were 13-3 in 1984..... john elway's second season in the nfl. We then went 11- 5 in his third year 1985.

You're really not a very bright guy are you?

Yeah and like I said he was barely capable, until 86 when it all came together for him. 84 & 85 avg qb rating of 73. In 85 more ints than tds.

Apples to apples rookies Elway had 7 td and 14 picks.

You wanna go round and round on bronco or football knowledge say when.


He was barely capable his first 3 years, the stats show it, and I remember watching ever effin game. Like I saihid, maybe it was the rules diff.

Reread my post, our teams win loss was alot of stingy veteran defense led by jones, smith, meck, jackson, and co. Elway led the league in pass attempts but the pucks kept us out of the playoffs in a fluke 85 year.

I remember him getting his ankles taped trying to gut it out vs pittsburgh, 2 tds, 2 picks. It really wasnt in my opinion until 86 he really became a dominant qb, and unyil 93 he became complete (fassel).

Archer81
10-01-2011, 09:25 PM
Y'know... QB performance and RB performance are both directly dependent on O-line performance. Our O-line is very young and has a lot of potential for improvement. Improved O-line play will mean improved QB play (regardless of who's the QB) and improved play from the RBs. It starts with the O-line. IMHO.


Our run game took a hit the second Orton became starter. If defenses do not have to worry about the QB making plays with his legs or hitting them deep with the pass you could have an all pro line and would still see the same result.

Does our offensive line need to improve? Yes it does. Will that magically solve the team's inability to run? No, it wont until we actually get a QB capable of pushing the ball downfield. We had that with Elway, Cutler and Plummer. We might have it with Quinn or Tebow. Orton...well he is really good on checkdowns, I guess.

:Broncos:

Missouribronc
10-01-2011, 09:26 PM
Our backs aren't mediocre. The simple reality is that we have a rookie RT and a second-year left guard and center who would struggle if they had to go against Division I AA defensive lines. Beadles and Walton have been terrible since inception. I'm hopeful they can improve, but I'm not banking on it.

I have it on good authority that Orton is the problem.

Blueflame
10-01-2011, 09:50 PM
Our run game took a hit the second Orton became starter. If defenses do not have to worry about the QB making plays with his legs or hitting them deep with the pass you could have an all pro line and would still see the same result.

Does our offensive line need to improve? Yes it does. Will that magically solve the team's inability to run? No, it wont until we actually get a QB capable of pushing the ball downfield. We had that with Elway, Cutler and Plummer. We might have it with Quinn or Tebow. Orton...well he is really good on checkdowns, I guess.

:Broncos:

Our O-line was an asset (not a liability) and we could move the ball on the ground before McDaniels scrapped what was working (ZBS). And now (with 3 inexperienced O-linemen) improvement is going to come with time and more experience playing as a unit.

I'd point to: a) Moreno's apparent inability to stay healthy and b) a young O-line not consistently opening the running lanes as having more effect on the running game than the QB. Anyone can hand off. Although I will concede the point that it makes a defense's job easier when an offense becomes one-dimensional.

BroncoBuff
10-02-2011, 12:37 AM
Don't lump everybody together, there''s different reasons guys "whine" for Tebow to start.

I definitely AM a whiner, but I have ZERO emotional investment, don't care about Heismans, escalators, Tebow Nation or any of that crap. I care about the sizeable investment he represents to the franchise, and that we exercise due diligence in evaluating that investment.

He's shown flashes, but they seem like BVP-type flashes. He passed the ball 82 times last year, but ran 43. He finished 2nd on the team in rushing despite playing just 9 games. Those are some strange numbers for a franshise-QB in the making.

I say we, a) immediately see if he can play, and if as we suspect he cannot, b) immediately ship him to the Jags for a defensive starter before his cash-cow status in Jacksonville starts to fade. They're in a world of economic hurt, I say we rape them the way Packers are set to rape us today :~ohyah!:



Orton will get booed off the field when they return to SAF for the Chargers game. Right now the Broncos best friend is playing away from home. This fanbase has really become frustrated with the organization and EFX are about to step in the path of a rabid pack of fans that will show little to no mercy...even for the Duke. Sadly, Elway stepped into a horrible situation and isn't going to have the grace period he needs to fix this thing.

PS. You can take that whole "reconnect with the fans" song and dance and shove it.

Seems like alotta drama for this situation. We're in the midst of a classic scraping-the-bottom rebuilding year. Lots of new faces, starting three rookies, brand new management and coaching staff. Don't understand how the fans can justify "no mercy."

John's problem is he's too competitive ... he has no patience for rebuilding. The foolish statements, the gut pains during the Bengals game, he should just relax and accept it's gonna take - and he's gonna get - at least a couple years to build up this team.

At this point complaining about Elway is silly, and way way unfair.

hambone13
10-02-2011, 01:33 AM
Our O-line was an asset (not a liability) and we could move the ball on the ground before McDaniels scrapped what was working (ZBS). And now (with 3 inexperienced O-linemen) improvement is going to come with time and more experience playing as a unit.

I'd point to: a) Moreno's apparent inability to stay healthy and b) a young O-line not consistently opening the running lanes as having more effect on the running game than the QB. Anyone can hand off. Although I will concede the point that it makes a defense's job easier when an offense becomes one-dimensional.

So please understand that I agree with much of what you said, but we're not going to more "multi-dimensional" with Orton at the helm. Also, Moreno was drafted for his shiftiness in a patriots/McD system (Marshall Faulk type), not for his ability at running back in a classic RB role. His health has little to do with his long term fit here. He was McD's boy. All IQ and character (he's a bright and classy guy).....mid-range talent. He was never going to be a star but McD thought he could use him in the system.

hambone13
10-02-2011, 01:42 AM
Our O-line was an asset (not a liability) and we could move the ball on the ground before McDaniels scrapped what was working (ZBS). And now (with 3 inexperienced O-linemen) improvement is going to come with time and more experience playing as a unit.

I'd point to: a) Moreno's apparent inability to stay healthy and b) a young O-line not consistently opening the running lanes as having more effect on the running game than the QB. Anyone can hand off. Although I will concede the point that it makes a defense's job easier when an offense becomes one-dimensional.

Also, our O-Line hasn't been an asset since shanny took his favorite ZBS coach to the redskins with him....then the RB coach shortly followed. I believe, he held fast to that scheme for years because he wasn't competing for big, athletic, top talent in the draft. He was going for talent perfect for his system and coaches. It works, he proved it. There's not many teams of coaches and FO staff that know how to do that properly. That Shanny frequently got right. He did stink long term on the DL drafts though...really his only consistent downfall. He lacked the humility to let a quality DC do their job without him ruffling their feathers and controlling their draft.

Blueflame
10-02-2011, 01:51 AM
So please understand that I agree with much of what you said, but we're not going to more "multi-dimensional" with Orton at the helm. Also, Moreno was drafted for his shiftiness in a patriots/McD system (Marshall Faulk type), not for his ability at running back in a classic RB role. His health has little to do with his long term fit here. He was McD's boy. All IQ and character (he's a bright and classy guy).....mid-range talent. He was never going to be a star but McD thought he could use him in the system.

Unless McDaniels thought Moreno could be an above-average every-down back (and not merely serviceable within a system) then how could he justify taking him with such a high draft pick? (rhetorical question... I think we've already established that McDaniels didn't assign proper value to draft picks; squandering more than just a few).

Totally agree that Orton's not going to be a part of the Broncos' future. And that's a good thing... he needs a "change of scenery".

Blueflame
10-02-2011, 02:01 AM
Don't lump everybody together, there''s different reasons guys "whine" for Tebow to start.

I definitely AM a whiner, but I have ZERO emotional investment, don't care about Heismans, escalators, Tebow Nation or any of that crap. I care about the sizeable investment he represents to the franchise, and that we exercise due diligence in evaluating that investment.

He's shown flashes, but they seem like BVP-type flashes. He passed the ball 82 times last year, but ran 43. He finished 2nd on the team in rushing despite playing just 9 games. Those are some strange numbers for a franshise-QB in the making.

I say we, a) immediately see if he can play, and if as we suspect he cannot, b) immediately ship him to the Jags for a defensive starter before his cash-cow status in Jacksonville starts to fade. They're in a world of economic hurt, I say we rape them the way Packers are set to rape us today :~ohyah!:



Problem is, Broncobuff... the only way there's any upside in starting Tebow now is if he is ready (and if Franklin is ready to protect his blind side as well). Because if he starts, the media spotlight is going to be on him... and the whole world will see whether or not he can start. And if the answer to that question is "no", then any value he might have now (to any other teams) will instantly evaporate.

hambone13
10-02-2011, 02:11 AM
Unless McDaniels thought Moreno could be an above-average every-down back (and not merely serviceable within a system) then how could he justify taking him with such a high draft pick? (rhetorical question... I think we've already established that McDaniels didn't assign proper value to draft picks; squandering more than just a few).

Totally agree that Orton's not going to be a part of the Broncos' future. And that's a good thing... he needs a "change of scenery".

I'm not suggesting he perceived him to be "serviceable". I'm suggesting he perceived him to be outstanding in his not-so-successful system goals at the time. KM is not the answer in the new system. He doesn't have the wheels to get to the edge and he dances to much to utilize the holes when they are, albeit rare, there. It doesn't help that he's a glass man by current observation. I just think, we lose more value in not trying Tebow or Quinn and maybe even getting some draft picks (whatever they may be) for Orton, now. They're both more mobile and that's what our O-Line sucks at protecting, immobility. Trade Borton for a 5th and a 6th to Indy or Miami for all I care. End the current trend. It's got nothing to do with our season or our future.

cutthemdown
10-02-2011, 02:13 AM
We already know what it will look like when Tebow plays. We saw it last yr. He still runs too much, is erratic all that. Still though you know there would be some big plays and by the end of the game would probably score more points then Orton puts up. It's whether he would put more pressure on defense etc etc that becomes the question. Orton doesn't score enough so matching him really not that tough for too many qbs IMO.

I have this weird feeling Orton is going to get knocked out of this game.

hambone13
10-02-2011, 02:15 AM
Problem is, Broncobuff... the only way there's any upside in starting Tebow now is if he is ready (and if Franklin is ready to protect his blind side as well). Because if he starts, the media spotlight is going to be on him... and the whole world will see whether or not he can start. And if the answer to that question is "no", then any value he might have now (to any other teams) will instantly evaporate.

What difference will it really make? No one in the league can see him play with him holding a clipboard anyway? It's not like we're going to get more value by keeping him on the side line. Worst case, practice goal line with him. At least then we have some value for coaches that see a guy that can get TD's inside the 5.

Archer81
10-02-2011, 02:17 AM
Problem is, Broncobuff... the only way there's any upside in starting Tebow now is if he is ready (and if Franklin is ready to protect his blind side as well). Because if he starts, the media spotlight is going to be on him... and the whole world will see whether or not he can start. And if the answer to that question is "no", then any value he might have now (to any other teams) will instantly evaporate.



Quite honestly Orton has poor footwork, is dropping the ball too low, being stupid with his mechanics, underthrowing wide open receivers, throwing at receivers feet...I fail to see the upside in starting him over Tebow. All of the things Orton is doing the last three games people were deathly afraid of Tebow doing. If this is going to be a season of rebuilding...why not actually rebuild with young guys who can be coached, rather than vets on 1 year deals who will be gone next year?

I fail to see the logic OR the plan involved with continuing to play Orton. He "earned" it? How? Because he happened to be drafted 7 years ago rather than a year ago? If both players are presenting the SAME level of competency, I'd prefer to go with the guy with a single year in rather than 7 years in. The guy with a single year has upside. The guy with 7 years in is at best a backup.

The value argument is ridiculous as well. We wont play a potentially very good player because we MAY want to trade him because our team's braintrust thinks he is not a pure pocket passer (which is equally ridiculous...we won titles with a guy far from being a prototypical pocket passer).

This entire offseason and so far into this year feels like an episode of Punk'd that will NEVER get to some ex model yelling psych right before the credits roll.

:Broncos:

hambone13
10-02-2011, 02:18 AM
We already know what it will look like when Tebow plays. We saw it last yr. He still runs too much, is erratic all that. Still though you know there would be some big plays and by the end of the game would probably score more points then Orton puts up. It's whether he would put more pressure on defense etc etc that becomes the question. Orton doesn't score enough so matching him really not that tough for too many qbs IMO.

I have this weird feeling Orton is going to get knocked out of this game.

I don't think any intelligent poster out there disagrees with anything you stated here but he can't improve in practice. It is however possible he could improve after a few games. We already know what we have in Orton and Quinn. But I would still rather see Quinn starting than Orton.

Blueflame
10-02-2011, 02:27 AM
I'm not suggesting he perceived him to be "serviceable". I'm suggesting he perceived him to be outstanding in his not-so-successful system goals at the time. KM is not the answer in the new system. He doesn't have the wheels to get to the edge and he dances to much to utilize the holes when they are, albeit rare, there. It doesn't help that he's a glass man by current observation. I just think, we lose more value in not trying Tebow or Quinn and maybe even getting some draft picks (whatever they may be) for Orton, now. They're both more mobile and that's what our O-Line sucks at protecting, immobility. Trade Borton for a 5th and a 6th to Indy or Miami for all I care. End the current trend. It's got nothing to do with our season or our future.

Other teams know Orton's on his way out of Denver soon regardless. So... unless some team suffers a season-ending injury to their starting QB, you're going to find very limited interest in Orton. Or Quinn. Or Tebow. Let's face it, McDaniels left us with no QBs that are capable of doing much this year. We're really not likely to get draft picks for any of them.

BroncoBuff
10-02-2011, 02:31 AM
if he starts, the media spotlight is going to be on him... and the whole world will see whether or not he can start. And if the answer to that question is "no", then any value he might have now (to any other teams) will instantly evaporate.

Disagree with your "is he ready yet" argument, I think that's the point ... find out now, while we're gonna lose anyway, now or never.

But the highlighted there is good logic... even the Jags won't want Tebow if Blaine-freaking-Gabbert is clearly better.

If Paul Poszluzny hadn't just moved to the Jags, he would be perfect here. We might have to throw in a pick, but that would be a good trade, win-win.

Blueflame
10-02-2011, 02:35 AM
What difference will it really make? No one in the league can see him play with him holding a clipboard anyway? It's not like we're going to get more value by keeping him on the side line. Worst case, practice goal line with him. At least then we have some value for coaches that see a guy that can get TD's inside the 5.

Because Tebow's so high-profile, the media would zero in narrowly on every mistake he makes once he's on the field... which means that if the coaches think he's likely to make a lot of mistakes, then keeping him on the bench and out of the spotlight makes sense. And if he made enough mistakes that the Broncos were ready to give up on him (look for trade value) then other teams would also watch the "tale of the tape" on him before making any offers. Putting him out there is a huge gamble (that he is ready) from a business perspective. IMHO.

hambone13
10-02-2011, 02:38 AM
Other teams know Orton's on his way out of Denver soon regardless. So... unless some team suffers a season-ending injury to their starting QB, you're going to find very limited interest in Orton. Or Quinn. Or Tebow. Let's face it, McDaniels left us with no QBs that are capable of doing much this year. We're really not likely to get draft picks for any of them.

I don't disagree with you but the reality is in my willingness to just ship him out. I'm done with him. He provides nothing for us now or ever given our current state.