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jhns
09-28-2011, 12:32 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/krieger/ci_18992080

Krieger: If Broncos don't have a "best chance to win," why not change the goal for 2011?


On the eve of training camp, when word leaked of a proposed Kyle Orton trade to Miami, fans prepared eagerly for the change at quarterback that would follow. When the deal fell through and Fox named Orton his starter, it looked as if Orton, by failing to come to terms with the Dolphins on a new contract, was being allowed to determine who would play quarterback for the Broncos. The club's explanation for the abrupt about-face was the odious phrase, "best chance to win."

With the team at 1-2 heading into a date with the defending champions, that claim is beginning to sound disturbingly like Charlie Sheen on a crack cocaine binge: "Winning! Duh!"


http://www.denverpost.com/kiszla/ci_18984126

Kiszla: Come on, Coach Fox, give Tebow a chance


If a low-scoring, losing NFL team can't find a way to get Tim Tebow in the game, then new coach John Fox is a stubborn goat so stuck in the 1970s and so hopelessly out of touch with his fan base that one might begin to wonder why the Broncos hired him in the first place.

All we're saying is: Give Tebow a chance.

"I'm figuring out this team," Fox said Monday, after his beat-up defense grudgingly surrendered 17 points to Tennessee, but Denver coaches weren't innovative enough to find the end zone when it really mattered.

Fox doesn't have it figured out? Really? That sounds like nonsense Josh McDaniels might have uttered after his third game in charge of an NFL franchise. But the excuse doesn't fly for a veteran coach. This isn't on-the-job training. They're keeping score.

"We're still learning about our team," Fox said.

At the outset of the fourth quarter, as the Denver offense stood with a first down a scant 2 yards from the Tennessee end zone and eyed the opportunity to put away the Titans, I was wiping barbecue sauce from my chin in a sports bar 1,159 miles away from Nashville. A woman in a corner booth shouted at the television screen: "Put in Tebow!"

Fox obviously couldn't hear the lady. Tebow watched helplessly on the sideline as Denver took four futile shots at a touchdown. There was one incomplete pass. Three straight runs inside the tackles. No points. No Tebow.

"Every play is a consideration," Fox said. "When they work, you're a genius. And when they don't, you're an idiot."

Hey, John. We've got it figured out.

You don't need to know an X from an O to see quarterback Kyle Orton owns a 6-19 record in his past 25 starts. Even a knucklehead like myself can understand Orton could use a little help in the red zone from Tebow. When ticket-buyers are far ahead of the coach on the learning curve, it's probably a dangerous place for Fox to act like he knows best.

jhns
09-28-2011, 12:46 PM
I'm sure that we will get a coach that is smarter than your average fan again, someday. Even most of the Tebow haters are starting to turn.

Agamemnon
09-28-2011, 01:09 PM
"We're still learning about our team," Fox said.


Seriously? What the ****?

richdream88
09-28-2011, 01:54 PM
I know Obama was just here yesterday but THIS is CHANGE Broncos fans can believe in! http://twitpic.com/6lecju

Gort
09-28-2011, 01:58 PM
If a low-scoring, losing NFL team can't find a way to get Tim Tebow in the game, then new coach John Fox is a stubborn goat so stuck in the 1970s and so hopelessly out of touch with his fan base that one might begin to wonder why the Broncos hired him in the first place.

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/12/13/39da1161-3122-4915-a7b9-95fb39b5d936.jpg

honestly, at this point... don't put him in Fox. keep him on the bench as the Broncos under Orton stumble and bumble their way to a 1-15 mark. then come this offseason after you've traded him for a box of rocks to whatever team can actually see the forest through the trees, you and Elway and Xanders can explain to the fans why you really didn't want to play him... and then the fans can vote with their wallets.

jhns
09-28-2011, 02:55 PM
I like how Foxs logic can be compared to a coked out Sheen. He gives us the best chance to win as long as you don't live in reality! We aren't playing for the future, we have a SB team right here!

maven
09-28-2011, 03:20 PM
honestly, at this point... don't put him in Fox. keep him on the bench as the Broncos under Orton stumble and bumble their way to a 1-15 mark. then come this offseason after you've traded him for a box of rocks to whatever team can actually see the forest through the trees, you and Elway and Xanders can explain to the fans why you really didn't want to play him... and then the fans can vote with their wallets.

Give Orton some credit. He can definitely muster two more wins the rest of the season.

epicSocialism4tw
09-28-2011, 04:55 PM
Give Orton some credit. He can definitely muster two more wins the rest of the season.

I think he can muster more than that. But I think its painfully obvious that Tebow can muster just as many if not more.

vonqkilla
09-29-2011, 07:17 AM
”Minus the goal line stand, we were 2-for-2. So, we're improving. Now it's just getting the sense of urgency and getting everybody to do it right, and then I think you'll start seeing 35 points on the board rather than 23." - Neckbeard

Are you kidding me you fraudulent journeyman joke of a qb.

Since when are we 2 for 2, well except for that one... Who says that?


& when did we put up 23 effing pts?

This dude and dove valley are spinning lies or drunk, ko is so delusional about his skill level, just wow. http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19000691

jhns
09-29-2011, 07:26 AM
”Minus the goal line stand, we were 2-for-2. So, we're improving. Now it's just getting the sense of urgency and getting everybody to do it right, and then I think you'll start seeing 35 points on the board rather than 23." - Neckbeard

Are you kidding me you fraudulent journeyman joke of a qb.

Since when are we 2 for 2, well except for that one... Who says that?


& when did we put up 23 effing pts?

This dude and dove valley are spinning lies or drunk, ko is so delusional about his skill level, just wow. http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19000691

LOL

I wish Orton averaged 23 points...

Gort
09-29-2011, 07:36 AM
”Minus the goal line stand, we were 2-for-2. So, we're improving. Now it's just getting the sense of urgency and getting everybody to do it right, and then I think you'll start seeing 35 points on the board rather than 23." - Neckbeard

Are you kidding me you fraudulent journeyman joke of a qb.

Since when are we 2 for 2, well except for that one... Who says that?


& when did we put up 23 effing pts?

This dude and dove valley are spinning lies or drunk, ko is so delusional about his skill level, just wow. http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19000691

um...yeah Kyle... and you are 100% at scoring TDs in the redzone, except for those times when you don't. maybe Kyle has a little bit too much self-esteem. maybe he really thinks he's an elite QB. has he ever taken the blame for a loss here? i don't recall. has he ever said during postgame interviews that a loss was 100% on him and its his job to play better?

Gort
09-29-2011, 07:37 AM
LOL

I wish Orton averaged 23 points...

if games were 6 quarters instead of 4 quarters, he could probably average 23 points. it could happen. maybe.

strafen
09-29-2011, 07:51 AM
I've read a rumor on kdvr.com that the Colts were making "offerings" for Tebow.
Stay tuned...

go_broncos
09-29-2011, 07:54 AM
”Minus the goal line stand, we were 2-for-2. So, we're improving. Now it's just getting the sense of urgency and getting everybody to do it right, and then I think you'll start seeing 35 points on the board rather than 23." - Neckbeard

Are you kidding me you fraudulent journeyman joke of a qb.

Since when are we 2 for 2, well except for that one... Who says that?


& when did we put up 23 effing pts?

This dude and dove valley are spinning lies or drunk, ko is so delusional about his skill level, just wow. http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_19000691

Why did i read this........
Please don't post the articles that cause depression, anger and frustration.
More than the game, i get frustrated with Orton and Fox comments.

fontaine
09-29-2011, 07:55 AM
I've read a rumor on kdvr.com that the Colts were making "offerings" for Tebow.
Stay tuned...

Yeah I heard the same thing.

The Colts are offering their 3rd round pick to Denver and a case of Jack to Orton for the guarantee that Kyle does not play for the Colts in the future, ever.

WolfpackGuy
09-29-2011, 07:58 AM
I've read a rumor on kdvr.com that the Colts were making "offerings" for Tebow.
Stay tuned...

Killing a live chicken?

jhns
09-29-2011, 08:00 AM
At least we know the QB situation is all on Fox. There have been people trying to claim Elway makes starter decisions instead of just who is on the team. Well, not according to him. This wss pretty obvious though. Fox loves ****ty QBs. I just hope Elway gets rid of Orton this offseason so Fox can't play him in future years. If Elway lets him, Fox will stick with ****ty QB forever. The one huge downside to hiring Fox...

Rabb
09-29-2011, 08:00 AM
if we trade that kid without giving him a legitimate shot, and knowing what we have to look forward to for the rest of the year with Orton....wow, I may actually be a little angry about that

tsiguy96
09-29-2011, 08:07 AM
During preseason, when I asked Fox about the Broncos' quarterback competition, he said: "I prefer a 'gamer' to a good practice player . . . I want someone who will execute under pressure in a game."
Orton is a good practice player.
He is not a gamer. His overall record as the Broncos' starter is 12-19. The team has won four of Orton's last 20 — a winning percent of 20. He is 0.00 percent when the team trails by three or more at halftime.
"Right now, in our opinion, Kyle Orton gives us the best chance to win," Fox reiterated this week.
The Orton Ordeal will continue in Green Bay.



http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_19000690?source=rss&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

TonyR
09-29-2011, 08:22 AM
I agree with Krieger and Kiszla here. But at the same time I think it's funny that a lot of you are always complaining about how the Denver media is in the back pocket of the Broncos and now you're posting articles that show they clearly aren't...

jhns
09-29-2011, 08:25 AM
I agree with Krieger and Kiszla here. But at the same time I think it's funny that a lot of you are always complaining about how the Denver media is in the back pocket of the Broncos and now you're posting articles that show they clearly aren't...

I posted these articles. Try finding a single time I have claimed they were in the back pockets of anyone. The only claim I have made is that some make **** up and most of them aren't very smart.

TonyR
09-29-2011, 08:35 AM
I posted these articles.

Didn't mean to single you out. I just chuckle at the shamelessness of people (not you in this case) who blast the Denver media for being Broncos biased but then grasp onto that same media when it supports their position. I'm not pointing my finger at anyone specifically here but you know there are a lot of people who are guilty of this. For example, there was a thread started after the Titans game on the topic of how the Denver media was going to spin the loss.

NUB
09-29-2011, 08:51 AM
Don't care about the media. What bothers me is how dumb Fox and Crew appear with some of these statements.

go_broncos
09-29-2011, 09:05 AM
Don't care about the media. What bothers me is how dumb Fox and Crew appear with some of these statements.

More than the game..I get pissed when i hear fox and orton speak.

spdirty
09-29-2011, 09:09 AM
I agree with Krieger and Kiszla here. But at the same time I think it's funny that a lot of you are always complaining about how the Denver media is in the back pocket of the Broncos and now you're posting articles that show they clearly aren't...

Want to see the Mike Klis column where he said the Broncos will win 1 of the next 2 games? He had em going 11-5 at the beginning of the year. That dude clearly is. He sucked Mcd off for 2 years and now he's sucking these guys off every chance he gets.

Think anyone who claims Kiszla and Krieger are don't read them very often.

Chris
09-29-2011, 09:11 AM
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spdirty
09-29-2011, 09:27 AM
Didn't mean to single you out. I just chuckle at the shamelessness of people (not you in this case) who blast the Denver media for being Broncos biased but then grasp onto that same media when it supports their position. I'm not pointing my finger at anyone specifically here but you know there are a lot of people who are guilty of this. For example, there was a thread started after the Titans game on the topic of how the Denver media was going to spin the loss.

Yeah people confuse Mike Klis with the Denver post/media. Klis would have everyone believe that we won the super bowl last year and are on the doorstep this year. Most everyone else is realistic about where we are.

jhns
09-29-2011, 09:32 AM
Yeah people confuse Mike Klis with the Denver post/media. Klis would have everyone believe that we won the super bowl last year and are on the doorstep this year. Most everyone else is realistic about where we are.

Yeah, Klis is kind of retarded. Not sure if he is a homer or just can't think for himself. He has an article out today that praises Orton and talks about how dumb it would be to switch to a QB that was 1-2 last season... He then lists a bunch of numbers for Orton to show how consistent and good he is. Every number he posted showed that Orton was average to well below average at everything. The article doesn't make any sense.

Rabb
09-29-2011, 09:33 AM
Yeah, Klis is kind of retarded. Not sure if he is a homer or just can't think for himself. He has an article out today that praises Orton and talks about how dumb it would be to switch to a QB that was 1-2 last season... He then lists a bunch of numbers for Orton to show how consistent and good he is. Every number he posted showed that Orton was average to well below average at everything. The article doesn't make any sense.

I love how his reason for not replacing a 1-2 QB is that the replacement is a, 1-2 QB

never change Klis

HooptyHoops
09-29-2011, 10:07 AM
I've read a rumor on kdvr.com that the Colts were making "offerings" for Tebow.
Stay tuned...

Please tell me you are joking....