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bronco militia
09-27-2011, 08:52 AM
Hi Mike. I've noticed a disturbing trend that no one seems to be talking about. Doesn't it seem like Orton has passes deflected at the line of scrimmage more than any other quarterback in the league? And, it seems like it's always on a big third-down play. I swear he must get passes batted down by defensive linemen at least three times per game. Is this my imagination or a real problem that Kyle and his coaches need to address?
---Andy, Syracuse, N.Y.

Ding, ding, ding! Andy, you win top mailbag question to date in the 2011 season. Your question sent me to my personal research department. Guess what? Orton has had an NFL-most seven passes deflected by defensive linemen at the line of scrimmage through three games.

Next is Cleveland's Colt McCoy with six. San Diego's Philip Rivers (who has a low arm release) has five. St. Louis' Sam Bradford and A.J. Feeley have combined for five. The Steelers' Ben Roethlisberger and Washington's Rex Grossman each have four, and Tennessee's Matt Hasselbeck has three. The other 24 quarterbacks have two or less passes batted at the line.

There have been 65 passes broken up by defensive linemen this year. Orton's passes account for 10.8 percent of that total.

I have some theories about the cause. One, because the defense knows Orton is not going to escape the pocket, defensive linemen are coached to

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push as far as they can and then make sure they get their arms up. Two, especially in the Tennessee game, when he had four passes broken up at the line, Orton threw a ton of dump passes. Shorter passes have a lower trajectory than medium-range passes

http://www.denverpost.com/broncosmailbag/ci_18980841

Mountain Bronco
09-27-2011, 08:56 AM
Yep, tipped pass IMO is on the QB as much as the Oline (50/50). Know your throwing lanes Orton!

Agamemnon
09-27-2011, 09:06 AM
Yep, tipped pass IMO is on the QB as much as the Oline (50/50). Know your throwing lanes Orton!

And use some ****ing touch! Don't throw the ball seven feet off the ground right over the head of a 6'3" DT you ****ing retard!

strafen
09-27-2011, 09:06 AM
I was wondering how many of his career interceptions have actually been thrown in the 4th qtr?
While in Denver, I bet the percentage it's up there, at least it seems like...

jhns
09-27-2011, 09:12 AM
At least he is the best at something. Glass half full and whatnot.

edog24
09-27-2011, 09:15 AM
We could design more bootleg rollouts,

oh wait.

bronco militia
09-27-2011, 09:20 AM
We could design more bootleg rollouts,

oh wait.

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jhns
09-27-2011, 09:22 AM
King Neckbeard is the best in the league at getting his balls batted around.

B-Love
09-27-2011, 09:23 AM
Something about our team. Elway and Craig Morton were always at the top of that stat category too.

Agamemnon
09-27-2011, 09:27 AM
Something about our team. Elway and Craig Morton were always at the top of that stat category too.

Elway had very little touch for most of his career so that makes sense. Morton is before my time.

Rigs11
09-27-2011, 09:38 AM
gotta love all the armchair qbs around here....

alkemical
09-27-2011, 09:40 AM
gotta love all the armchair qbs around here....

Well, when you have a Masters in Madden, you know a thing or three. ;)

Kaylore
09-27-2011, 09:47 AM
I definitely think "pocket sloth" is the win.

55CrushEm
09-27-2011, 09:51 AM
http://www.strangezoo.com/images/content/177800.gif

:spit:

Agamemnon
09-27-2011, 09:51 AM
gotta love all the armchair qbs around here....

Gotta love the clueless posters that keep defending the indefensible...

Pony Boy
09-27-2011, 09:52 AM
I definitely think "pocket sloth" is the win.

I like Dopey, it fits well after having Mopey.

TheReverend
09-27-2011, 09:58 AM
http://www.strangezoo.com/images/content/177800.gif

pow pow!

TheReverend
09-27-2011, 10:00 AM
gotta love all the armchair qbs around here....

lol, really? This is what you're going to cling to? Such a douche.

tebowisdabomb
09-27-2011, 10:10 AM
That Offensive line has to create passing lanes for Orton , I am getting sick of the Orton haters on this site.

Stagger Lee
09-27-2011, 10:11 AM
http://www.strangezoo.com/images/content/177800.gif

That pretty much says it all.

Agamemnon
09-27-2011, 10:12 AM
That Offensive line has to create passing lanes for Orton , I am getting sick of the Orton haters on this site.

:spit:

jhns
09-27-2011, 10:12 AM
That Offensive line has to create passing lanes for Orton , I am getting sick of the Orton haters on this site.

No, Orton needs to create passing lanes for the offensive line.

Mountain Bronco
09-27-2011, 10:33 AM
Orton has the responsibility of not throwing in lanes that aren't there. Yes, the Oline has some blame here, but it seems to me that Orton does have some time and lanes, he just literally can't slide in the pocket at all, to open those lanes up. If you ask Orton to move at all beyond a straight drop back he tends to fail.

mkporter
09-27-2011, 10:55 AM
Elway had very little touch for most of his career so that makes sense. Morton is before my time.

At least when a DE would tip an Elway pass, he'd get a couple broken fingers for his effort.

Lolad
09-27-2011, 10:59 AM
Orton has the responsibility of not throwing in lanes that aren't there. Yes, the Oline has some blame here, but it seems to me that Orton does have some time and lanes, he just literally can't slide in the pocket at all, to open those lanes up. If you ask Orton to move at all beyond a straight drop back he tends to fail.

When Orton has had time he still seems to get the ball tipped at the line

Agamemnon
09-27-2011, 11:00 AM
When Orton has had time he still seems to get the ball tipped at the line

Or just drops the ball on the ground so everybody can do some wrastlin'...

Agamemnon
09-27-2011, 11:02 AM
At least when a DE would tip an Elway pass, he'd get a couple broken fingers for his effort.

Yeah, I can only imagine.

_Oro_
09-27-2011, 11:03 AM
Harkens back to the Frerotte days.

rugbythug
09-27-2011, 11:06 AM
Cut to the ordinary shuffle on screen passes. That was a funny video.

Broncos4tw
09-27-2011, 11:07 AM
It doesn't really help that he telegraphs both his screens and passes. That last tip, he locked onto the receiver from the moment he got the ball. It had to be a pretty simple thing to put a hand up to block the ball.

txtebow
09-27-2011, 11:17 AM
get polian on the phone--send his ass to indy for a 5th.

Dedhed
09-27-2011, 11:19 AM
That Offensive line has to create passing lanes for Orton , I am getting sick of the Orton haters on this site.

Ah, the dumb and naive now clinging for Orton's life. Orton completely lacks the awareness and ability to move in the pocket to where the passing lane is.

Dedhed
09-27-2011, 11:20 AM
gotta love all the armchair qbs around here....

Lulz.

Broncomutt
09-27-2011, 11:38 AM
Is there a stat for the number of <5 yard pass attempts aimed at the receivers shoelaces?

Or 1st and goal pass attempts thrown into the 10th row seating?

Play2win
09-27-2011, 11:38 AM
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Look... I CAN Fly!!!

ColoradoDarin
09-27-2011, 12:35 PM
http://www.strangezoo.com/images/content/177800.gif

if only we had someont to pick orton up and carry him like that

BroncoDoom
09-27-2011, 03:10 PM
That Offensive line has to create passing lanes for Orton , I am getting sick of the Orton haters on this site.

So the Orton bashing is just on this site? Are you high on Viagra? I bet if we could poll ALL the knowledgeable Broncos fans who actually keep up with the team you Ortonites would have less than 5% of the support at this point. Its not just here. Its everywhere. We have all been watching this crap for 2 + years and its beyond old.

I was at the game in Nashville with lower level North endzone seats. Orton missed on throw after throw. No pocket awareness. No athletic skill at all. It was one of the most painful performances I have had to ever watch from a Broncos QB in the 15 years I have been going to games... and the most frustrating part is : this game was gift wrapped to us with penalties and Titans turnovers and Orton couldn't keep from falling on his own face and blowing it. Both of this season's losses are squarely on his back with his turnovers and if you don't see it you are blind.

The reason this is such a hot button topic because we have had to endure a shi**y product for years. We are all dedicated fans, but for even the most diehard this stretch of futility with Orton at the helm is just too much to take. How as a real fan can you keep making excuses for this clown? He doesn't give a sh*t about us and that would be fine if he was making plays and winning games, but he isn't and that makes his piss poor attitude and lack of fire/energy that much harder to swallow.

orangenblue2
09-27-2011, 04:49 PM
That Offensive line has to create passing lanes for Orton , I am getting sick of the Orton haters on this site.

Kyle, is that really you?

OBF1
09-27-2011, 06:36 PM
We're #1 We're #1. Finally something orton does well.

Rock Chalk
09-27-2011, 06:42 PM
God, as bad as Orton is and Tebow cant beat him out this sucks.

Archer81
09-27-2011, 06:44 PM
It doesn't really help that he telegraphs both his screens and passes. That last tip, he locked onto the receiver from the moment he got the ball. It had to be a pretty simple thing to put a hand up to block the ball.


He telegraphs runs, too. Just watch Orton when he hands it off. Tiny, choppy steps like he is walking over ground glass.

But hey, he gives us the best chance to win.

:Broncos:

Archer81
09-27-2011, 06:47 PM
God, as bad as Orton is and Tebow cant beat him out this sucks.


I dont really think Tebow was given the opportunity to, to be honest. He never started a preseason game, and you can probably count the amount of time he started off practice with the 1's on one hand.

:Broncos:

go_broncos
09-27-2011, 06:50 PM
It is unfortunate that our coach doesn't realize that Orton sucks.
It's like i am watching the same torture movie every sunday.

Rock Chalk
09-27-2011, 07:03 PM
I dont really think Tebow was given the opportunity to, to be honest. He never started a preseason game, and you can probably count the amount of time he started off practice with the 1's on one hand.

:Broncos:

Shocker, a Tebow fan doesn't think Tebow was given a fair shake to win the starting job during Training Camp and Pre-season.

I bet Tebow could have won the job straight up against Orton if you know, he had WORKED ON HIS ****ING GAME IN THE OFFSEASON INSTEAD OF SIGNING AUTOGRAPHS.

TheReverend
09-27-2011, 07:04 PM
Shocker, a Tebow fan doesn't think Tebow was given a fair shake to win the starting job during Training Camp and Pre-season.

I bet Tebow could have won the job straight up against Orton if you know, he had WORKED ON HIS ****ING GAME IN THE OFFSEASON INSTEAD OF SIGNING AUTOGRAPHS.

Shocker, a Tebow hater making **** up about him.

Can you give me an example of when he was given a chance in the alleged "quarterback competition" that never was?

OBF1
09-27-2011, 07:11 PM
Shocker, a Tebow fan doesn't think Tebow was given a fair shake to win the starting job during Training Camp and Pre-season.

I bet Tebow could have won the job straight up against Orton if you know, he had WORKED ON HIS ****ING GAME IN THE OFFSEASON INSTEAD OF SIGNING AUTOGRAPHS.

You just keep riding orton and his 4-12 record over the past 2 seasons and enjoy a crappy team. Stop being a douchebag.

MagicHef
09-27-2011, 07:24 PM
Shocker, a Tebow fan doesn't think Tebow was given a fair shake to win the starting job during Training Camp and Pre-season.

I bet Tebow could have won the job straight up against Orton if you know, he had WORKED ON HIS ****ING GAME IN THE OFFSEASON INSTEAD OF SIGNING AUTOGRAPHS.

He was allowed to take snaps with the starters once, when Orton missed practice for the birth of his daughter. Can you provide any evidence that there was any sort of a QB competition?

Steve Prefontaine
09-27-2011, 08:00 PM
Shocker, a Tebow fan doesn't think Tebow was given a fair shake to win the starting job during Training Camp and Pre-season.

I bet Tebow could have won the job straight up against Orton if you know, he had WORKED ON HIS ****ING GAME IN THE OFFSEASON INSTEAD OF SIGNING AUTOGRAPHS.

WTF???!!! GO WITH ALL CAPS AND THEN DON'T EXTEND THE COMMON ****ING COURTESY OF AT LEAST THREE EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!

YOU DON'T EVEN BELIEVE WHAT YOU WROTE!!!

I'm done.

Archer81
09-27-2011, 08:27 PM
Shocker, a Tebow fan doesn't think Tebow was given a fair shake to win the starting job during Training Camp and Pre-season.

I bet Tebow could have won the job straight up against Orton if you know, he had WORKED ON HIS ****ING GAME IN THE OFFSEASON INSTEAD OF SIGNING AUTOGRAPHS.


I pointed out an evident truth. Denver had no QB competition. It was Orton from day one, and neither Quinn or Tebow got a fair shot with the 1's to see how they would do.

Everything people knock Tebow for, from dipping the ball to his waist on his windup, shoddy footwork, running into sacks, locking onto a single target and throwing at receiver's feet Orton is doing, and has done for three games. The only difference between the two is in controlled scenarios in practice. So instead of going with the 2nd year guy who can be coached up to overcome young player mistakes and will be here long term; instead the Broncos go with a 7 year vet on a one year deal who is making young player mistakes. Do you not see the failure in logic there?

:Broncos:

barryr
09-27-2011, 08:37 PM
The offense is so dull with Orton at QB. Does anyone really expect this offense to explode for 24+ points a game that often with Orton? Deflected pass are also a result of a QB telegraphing his passes and the offense fixated on short stuff too much, so DL are expecting short passes.

pricejj
09-28-2011, 02:11 PM
Orton ALWAYS fails in clutch situations because he frankly doesn't give a s*** about anything but the money, and continues looks for excuses while placing the blame on others.

I bet in his own mind, he believes he was just "doing his job".

Dedhed
09-28-2011, 02:22 PM
Orton ALWAYS fails in clutch situations because he frankly doesn't give a s*** about anything but the money, and continues looks for excuses while placing the blame on others.

I bet in his own mind, he believes he was just "doing his job".

I don't agree with that at all. I think it's a case where in his own mind he thinks he can be a good QB, but he just isn't capable of making the plays that would make him anything other than what he's always been; a slightly below average starting QB in the NFL.

Jetmeck
09-28-2011, 05:26 PM
I don't agree with that at all. I think it's a case where in his own mind he thinks he can be a good QB, but he just isn't capable of making the plays that would make him anything other than what he's always been; a slightly below average starting QB in the NFL.

Agreed, that is all he has ever been. We had the only coach that would want him. Anyone else knows he could only be considered an upgrade to this....................

epicSocialism4tw
09-28-2011, 05:42 PM
Maybe Ortie is playing whack-a-mole with the defensive linemen?

epicSocialism4tw
09-28-2011, 05:46 PM
I pointed out an evident truth. Denver had no QB competition. It was Orton from day one, and neither Quinn or Tebow got a fair shot with the 1's to see how they would do.

Everything people knock Tebow for, from dipping the ball to his waist on his windup, shoddy footwork, running into sacks, locking onto a single target and throwing at receiver's feet Orton is doing, and has done for three games. The only difference between the two is in controlled scenarios in practice. So instead of going with the 2nd year guy who can be coached up to overcome young player mistakes and will be here long term; instead the Broncos go with a 7 year vet on a one year deal who is making young player mistakes. Do you not see the failure in logic there?

:Broncos:

There never was a QB competition.

db56
09-28-2011, 07:06 PM
Could somebody post some videos of Boreton at practice, most of us only get to see him during the games. he must look like Slingin Sammy freakin Baugh in practice!!

Are the D lineman told to stand at the line of scrimmage and keep their arms and hands down?

How about the secondary, are they told to keep their eyes on their assigned man or the ground and let him complete his passes?

I still dissappointed that Tebow didnt school this clown in TC...

Bronx33
09-28-2011, 08:33 PM
orton in the tackle box

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/8518/funnyslothedit.jpg