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TDmvp
09-25-2011, 12:57 PM
Duh

Requiem
09-25-2011, 12:58 PM
No **** -- or you put Tebow in who can easily get a yard.

frerottenextelway
09-25-2011, 12:59 PM
Honestly, I'd have gone for it. Stupid play calls though.

Mogulseeker
09-25-2011, 12:59 PM
No, you don't.

RMT
09-25-2011, 12:59 PM
man, did we get outcoached today ... not kicking the FG was asinine.

Mile High 81
09-25-2011, 12:59 PM
No **** -- or you put Tebow in who can easily get a yard.

This.

Fox ist just an....

I habve no Problem with Orton as a Starter, but in this Situation you put Tebow in. Period.

vonqkilla
09-25-2011, 12:59 PM
Or use TT.

Fox ball with KO is like Reeves with Deberg, in 2011....

Mr.Meanie
09-25-2011, 01:00 PM
Didn't Tebow score 100% of the time at that yardage last year? He single-handedly solved our red zone problems. Instead call an inside run into a defense that already repeatedly proved it can stuff McGahee every time inside.

Awful ****ing play calling.

Connecticut Bronco Fan
09-25-2011, 01:00 PM
I liked going for it.

I hated the play call though.

theAPAOps5
09-25-2011, 01:00 PM
You take the points but if you decide to go for it you don't try to force a square peg into a round hole 3x in a row

Liquid Courage
09-25-2011, 01:01 PM
No **** -- or you put Tebow in who can easily get a yard.

this. go 5 wide and just let him fall forward.

TDmvp
09-25-2011, 01:01 PM
Ok I can be talked into you might take the shot there on 4th ...

But fade , pound it , pound it , pound it , their ball just don't cut it.

Dagmar
09-25-2011, 01:01 PM
Duh

Especially if you have Kyle **** bag Orton as QB.

Rock Chalk
09-25-2011, 01:02 PM
Or use TT.

Fox ball with KO is like Reeves with Deberg, in 2011....

TAKE THE FG.

Orton scored on 2 of 3 Red zone possessions against a team that hadnt given up a red zone TD today but you TAKE the 3 when its a low scoring game like that. ALWAYS.

THe 3 means on the last drive there is no urgency to make a big play, you grind it out and take a FG to win the god damn game.

TAKE THE EFFING THREE!

Im so pissed. I was pissed when we went for it and Im even more pissed now because that cost us the game.

vonqkilla
09-25-2011, 01:02 PM
Von Miller rules, set it up for naught.

Mogulseeker
09-25-2011, 01:02 PM
Hindsight is always 20/20.... I would have gone for it. We stopped them on the next drive and couldn't get anything going on the next. Had we got the TD, we would have put the game away, and when the Titans got the ball back, we were still in control.

You go for it there.

Requiem
09-25-2011, 01:02 PM
Great move, Pat Bowlen. Hire the only coach who had less wins than McDaniels last year.

Bill Clinton look-alike ****ing dip**** loser of a coach.

24champ
09-25-2011, 01:02 PM
No **** -- or you put Tebow in who can easily get a yard.

Tebow would have gotten the TD.

Some of the worst playcalling/decisions I've seen from this coaching staff.

TDmvp
09-25-2011, 01:03 PM
TAKE THE FG.

Orton scored on 2 of 3 Red zone possessions against a team that hadnt given up a red zone TD today but you TAKE the 3 when its a low scoring game like that. ALWAYS.

THe 3 means on the last drive there is no urgency to make a big play, you grind it out and take a FG to win the god damn game.

TAKE THE EFFING THREE!

Im so pissed. I was pissed when we went for it and Im even more pissed now because that cost us the game.



Pretty much how I felt ... It was the type of game you take the 3 and takes all the pressure off your D and you can't lose on one play.

Rock Chalk
09-25-2011, 01:04 PM
AND HOW DO YOU GIVE UP A HUGE PLAY WHEN YOU ARE HOLDING ON TO A LEAD?!?

God dammit. Orton didn't help matters on the last drive but holy **** there were all kinds of stupid decisions in the 4th quarter from the coaching staff.

TAKE THE ****ING THREE ASSHOLE.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-25-2011, 01:04 PM
There is simply no excuse for not using Tebow on the goal line. No excuse whatsoever. Even McD was smart enough to eventually figure that one out.

Rock Chalk
09-25-2011, 01:04 PM
There is simply no excuse for not using Tebow on the goal line. No excuse whatsoever. Even McD was smart enough to eventually figure that one out.

On 3rd and goal yes, on 4th and goal you take the effing three.

GOD DAMMIT.

Requiem
09-25-2011, 01:05 PM
Hindsight is always 20/20.... I would have gone for it. We stopped them on the next drive and couldn't get anything going on the next. Had we got the TD, we would have put the game away, and when the Titans got the ball back, we were still in control.

You go for it there.

Denver is up 17-10 if you take the FG.

Tennessee would have tied us, not beat us by the end of regulation.

Mr.Meanie
09-25-2011, 01:06 PM
There is simply no excuse for not using Tebow on the goal line. No excuse whatsoever. Even McD was smart enough to eventually figure that one out.

Especially with how tremendously bad our running game was. Or even playaction or bootleg. Anything different than what they did.

CEH
09-25-2011, 01:06 PM
There is simply no excuse for not using Tebow on the goal line. No excuse whatsoever. Even McD was smart enough to eventually figure that one out.

I agree. I have no respect for these coaches who can't even figure out a way to use Tebow inside the five.

vonqkilla
09-25-2011, 01:06 PM
KO is a sissy punk fake qb. On first and goal, dude is covered, but make a play. Then all the tipped balls, finally they got one.

Beep beep beep beep...

Thats KO telegraphing his passes

Aftermath
09-25-2011, 01:06 PM
Thats funny because I'm sure you would be praising him if they scored on the 4th and goal. Anyways, I liked the call but not the play, would have liked a run outside or maybe a playaction pass.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-25-2011, 01:06 PM
1st and goal on the 2. 2 yards out. Tebow scores a touchdown from that distance every single time.

Rock Chalk
09-25-2011, 01:08 PM
1st and goal on the 2. 2 yards out. Tebow scores a touchdown from that distance every single time.

I ****ing missed that whole god damn thing until 4th and 1 because of the stream so I didnt know the situation but holy christ you take the points in a game like that.

If the game had been high scoring and defenses hadn't been playing well, go for it, but today, in thsi game, in this situation if you get it to 4th and goal TAKE THE GOD DAMN THREE.

****ing **** ****.

broncswin
09-25-2011, 01:08 PM
you kick it...their o was struggling all day...we had momentum. Then what the F U K do we do...we go for it, with an oline that couldn't push a damn junior high team around!! We don't have the type of team to go for it there. Kick It

TDmvp
09-25-2011, 01:08 PM
1st and goal on the 2. 2 yards out. Tebow scores a touchdown from that distance every single time.

After what I seen last year I about agree with that ...

And I'm not a Tebow lover , and hated the draft pick but dude is a weapon inside the 5. So hard to account for.

Jay3
09-25-2011, 01:08 PM
Didn't Tebow score 100% of the time at that yardage last year? He single-handedly solved our red zone problems. Instead call an inside run into a defense that already repeatedly proved it can stuff McGahee every time inside.

He didn't just score on 100% of the set of downs on the goal line -- he scored on 100% of touches anywhere close to the goal line. Didn't even need more than one try on any occasion.

He led the Broncos in 2010 rushing TD's, believe it or not.

KO5K
09-25-2011, 01:09 PM
Fox lacks the creativity to use a player like Tim Tebow and I'm pretty sure that will continue to hurt us.

Fox-ball is becoming more and more outdated in the NFL.

Popps
09-25-2011, 01:10 PM
TAKE THE FG.

Orton scored on 2 of 3 Red zone possessions against a team that hadnt given up a red zone TD today but you TAKE the 3 when its a low scoring game like that. ALWAYS.

THe 3 means on the last drive there is no urgency to make a big play, you grind it out and take a FG to win the god damn game.

TAKE THE EFFING THREE!

Im so pissed. I was pissed when we went for it and Im even more pissed now because that cost us the game.

Yea, in a grinder of a game like this... I get the concept of trying to "play to win" on the road. But, points were just too hard to come by in this game to leave any on the field. Those are classic momentum-changers, too.

Not a great call, and it's a shame because the overall effort today was pretty decent, despite shortcomings in a few areas.

cabronco
09-25-2011, 01:10 PM
It sounds horrible. But it seems like this coaching staff wants to make games close, but actually lose them. How else can you explain the playcalling down on the 1 yard line. And you havent used TT once this season in the RZ ! I mean there couldnt of been a more perfect situation to use a guy like Tebow there. Spread out the offense and he runs it in, piece of cake. But somehow our coaching staff doesnt know this ?

Popps
09-25-2011, 01:11 PM
Fox lacks the creativity to use a player like Tim Tebow and I'm pretty sure that will continue to hurt us.

Fox-ball is becoming more and more outdated in the NFL.

See, I think "Fox-ball" kept us in this game. Not taking the 3 points goes against Fox-ball.

Dagmar
09-25-2011, 01:11 PM
As stated by Lindsay Jones of the Denver post

"Welcome to Fox ball".

frerottenextelway
09-25-2011, 01:11 PM
Miss me yet?

http://www.nflpassers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/joshmcdaniels4.jpg

Dr. Broncenstein
09-25-2011, 01:11 PM
I ****ing missed that whole god damn thing until 4th and 1 because of the stream so I didnt know the situation but holy christ you take the points in a game like that.

If the game had been high scoring and defenses hadn't been playing well, go for it, but today, in thsi game, in this situation if you get it to 4th and goal TAKE THE GOD DAMN THREE.

****ing **** ****.

I agree with you on kicking the FG on 4th down. We had a 1st and goal from the two. Jumbo Jesus formation gets a touchdown 100% of the time in that setting.

TDmvp
09-25-2011, 01:11 PM
It sounds horrible. But it seems like this coaching staff wants to make games close, but actually lose them. How else can you explain the playcalling down on the 1 yard line. And you havent used TT once this season in the RZ ! I mean there couldnt of been a more perfect situation to use a guy like Tebow there. Spread out the offense and he runs it in, piece of cake. But somehow our coaching staff doesnt know this ?



You must not ever seen the Panther play under Fox hehe.

Fox's coaching style is great , if it was 2003 .

theAPAOps5
09-25-2011, 01:12 PM
Thats funny because I'm sure you would be praising him if they scored on the 4th and goal. Anyways, I liked the call but not the play, would have liked a run outside or maybe a playaction pass.

You are right, but people would still have commented that it was not the safe play. They hired Fox because of his tenure and his coaching ability. He is supposed to be the safe coach.

That is why he sticks with the safe QB who won't take chances and will "manage" the game. Except not really.

So you think it is logical to take the safe play and put up 3 points.

Bad call made even worse by bad a bad play call x3

Mr.Meanie
09-25-2011, 01:12 PM
Miss me yet?

http://www.nflpassers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/joshmcdaniels4.jpg

I miss McD's Tebow goal line packages, that's for ****ing sure.

TDmvp
09-25-2011, 01:12 PM
Miss me yet?

http://www.nflpassers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/joshmcdaniels4.jpg

:spit:
O no you didn't ROFL!

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/8067/motivatora9ed601e761d1e.jpg

frerottenextelway
09-25-2011, 01:13 PM
:spit:
O no you didn't ROFL!

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/8067/motivatora9ed601e761d1e.jpg

LOL

bronco militia
09-25-2011, 01:13 PM
the broncos had plenty of chances after the goal line stand.....nice team loss guys

Rock Chalk
09-25-2011, 01:13 PM
I agree with you on kicking the FG on 4th down. We had a 1st and goal from the two. Jumbo Jesus formation gets a touchdown 100% of the time in that setting.

Id have been OK with that. Jesus, Tebow is great in the Red Zone in that situation and you give him 3 chances? Holy Christ thats a win.

Coaching cost us this game, big time.

And really, is it too much to ask for our god damn defense to make some plays? Cincy was great, they came through and made clutch play at the end to win us the game and today? **** THE ****IGN BED.

God dammit.

USMCBladerunner
09-25-2011, 01:16 PM
I also didn't like the call. I would have like to see Tebow in that situation, but starting on 1st down, not just on 4th Down.

With KO, as crazy as it sounds, on fourth down I would have called a fake handoff QB keeper to the right corner, but Fox doesn't have those kind of balls.

I like how the defense played today, and I like how this team seems to be coming more balanced.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-25-2011, 01:16 PM
If you could draft a player that would just about guarantee a touchdown from inside the five yard line, that player would be worth a first round pick. He wouldn't have to be the franchise quarterback, or anything else for that matter. Just a guaranteed goal line touchdown specialist. Worth the pick. We have at least that in Tebow, and why this coach refuses to see this is very strange.

KO5K
09-25-2011, 01:17 PM
And really, is it too much to ask for our god damn defense to make some plays? Cincy was great, they came through and made clutch play at the end to win us the game and today? **** THE ****IGN BED.

God dammit.

I think holding a team to 17 points is perfectly acceptable.

Scoring 14 points isn't.

Rock Chalk
09-25-2011, 01:17 PM
I also didn't like the call. I would have like to see Tebow in that situation, but starting on 1st down, not just on 4th Down.

With KO, as crazy as it sounds, on fourth down I would have called a fake handoff QB keeper to the right corner, but Fox doesn't have those kind of balls.

I like how the defense played today, and I like how this team seems to be coming more balanced.

I like the run defense. The pass defense is ****.

BowlenBall
09-25-2011, 01:19 PM
Miss me yet?

http://www.nflpassers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/joshmcdaniels4.jpg

No.

Gort
09-25-2011, 01:21 PM
oh for crying out loud... the pickle kissers in the media are already spinning their strawman argument on the post-game radio shows. it's maddening to hear them frame the argument such that there is no blame to be placed on Fox or McCoy's shoulders.

just to clarify. the issue is NOT whether they should have gone for it or not. the issue is that the play call was horrific and predictable. in summary.

go for it on 4th down? good decision

run the same ineffective up-the-gut play a 3rd time in the row? not a good decision

Gort
09-25-2011, 01:23 PM
If you could draft a player that would just about guarantee a touchdown from inside the five yard line, that player would be worth a first round pick. He wouldn't have to be the franchise quarterback, or anything else for that matter. Just a guaranteed goal line touchdown specialist. Worth the pick. We have at least that in Tebow, and why this coach refuses to see this is very strange.

it's spite.

in Fox's mind, he's in charge and nobody is going to tell him to put Tebow in no matter how much the fans complain. it's his way or the highway. i think he'll try to convert Tebow to some other position. Tebow will refuse. then Elway and Fox will try to trade him this offseason.

RhymesayersDU
09-25-2011, 01:25 PM
Honestly, I'd have gone for it. Stupid play calls though.

Exactly.

I made the point in the game thread but I'll echo it here. Going for it is fine, but an uncreative, uninspired, vanilla play that we haven't been able to execute in years was horrendous. I mean a play action would have been fantastic.

Just running up the middle isn't the answer.

Mr.Meanie
09-25-2011, 01:26 PM
it's spite.

in Fox's mind, he's in charge and nobody is going to tell him to put Tebow in no matter how much the fans complain. it's his way or the highway. i think he'll try to convert Tebow to some other position. Tebow will refuse. then Elway and Fox will try to trade him this offseason.

I've never seen anything like it. A guarantee of 7 points, how can you not at least try it once? So goddamn frustrating.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-25-2011, 01:30 PM
it's spite.

in Fox's mind, he's in charge and nobody is going to tell him to put Tebow in no matter how much the fans complain. it's his way or the highway. i think he'll try to convert Tebow to some other position. Tebow will refuse. then Elway and Fox will try to trade him this offseason.

If we score a touchdown, we almost certainly win the game. First and goal from the two yard line, and Fox has probably the best goal-line weapon in the league watching from the sideline. If this is spite, it cost this team a win.

ColoradoDarin
09-25-2011, 01:34 PM
There is simply no excuse for not using Tebow on the goal line. No excuse whatsoever. Even McD was smart enough to eventually figure that one out.

This. I liked the call to go for it, but you put Tebow in there and you don't even have to worry about going for it on 4th down. He scores at minimum on 2nd.

Dagmar
09-25-2011, 01:35 PM
I like the run defense. The pass defense is ****.

Well, that's talent, because Allen is an excellent secondary coach.

TonyR
09-25-2011, 01:36 PM
If we had taken the 3 and lost the game the same people complaining about how we went for it would be complaining about how we didn't...

Dr. Broncenstein
09-25-2011, 01:39 PM
If we had taken the 3 and lost the game the same people complaining about how we went for it would be complaining about how we didn't...

That's probably because there is no excuse for coming away with anything less than a touchdown from 1st and goal at the 2. Especially when you have someone on the sideline who scores touchdowns 100% of the time in that setting.

theAPAOps5
09-25-2011, 01:39 PM
If we had taken the 3 and lost the game the same people complaining about how we went for it would be complaining about how we didn't...

Well more about Orton and his lack to score TD's in the Red Zone not so much about leaving 3 points on the field and then losing by 3.

Different argument, but I understand your point!

Gort
09-25-2011, 01:47 PM
If we score a touchdown, we almost certainly win the game. First and goal from the two yard line, and Fox has probably the best goal-line weapon in the league watching from the sideline. If this is spite, it cost this team a win.

that's why they call "spite" a bad personality trait.

if you have a better explanation that doesn't involve the government controlling the weather and George Bush single-handedly blowing up the WTC, i'm all ears.

smoke4815162342
09-25-2011, 03:48 PM
At the time, my thinking was a FG to protect your team from a loss by giving up a TD, so you would still have a shot if the defense failed on the next position.

smoke4815162342
09-25-2011, 03:50 PM
This. I liked the call to go for it, but you put Tebow in there and you don't even have to worry about going for it on 4th down. He scores at minimum on 2nd.

Tebow is running WR routes on the scout team, it seems like they have absolutely no plans on using tebow like we did last season with McD. They aren't gonna a play they have never practiced.

randomtask
09-25-2011, 03:55 PM
Yes. Yes you do.

Especially since your running game has been horrible.
Especially since Hasselback has been carving up your defense.
Especially since you are playing with a depleted secondary.

I really hate when we give away games like that.

Hulamau
09-25-2011, 06:51 PM
TAKE THE FG.

Orton scored on 2 of 3 Red zone possessions against a team that hadnt given up a red zone TD today but you TAKE the 3 when its a low scoring game like that. ALWAYS.

THe 3 means on the last drive there is no urgency to make a big play, you grind it out and take a FG to win the god damn game.

TAKE THE EFFING THREE!

Im so pissed. I was pissed when we went for it and Im even more pissed now because that cost us the game.

Totally agree, several coaching FUBARS in this game!!.. And if they are going for it at least be a little FREAKING creative. Three times we get stuff up the middle in recent plays .. their front seven had their ears pinned back so make em pay for it with a nicely executed fake to Willis Mc up the middle and roll out for either a pass or walk it in yourself.... Though for that particular job you use your best asset for such a play ... #15 ... I'm okay with Orton as the overall QB (out of what we have at the moment) but use some damn SITUATIONAL AWARENESS from a half yard out on 4th down coach and run that fake up the middle with a play action roll out run/pass option with Tim and we get 7 EVERY time!

Game over and we'd have 2-1 record tonight! Just poor coaching decision all around.

I don't blame Kyle for that play he just handed off and he is what he is. .. well I do blame him for so many of those lazy ass laconic "Im on Valium' passes. His Achilles heel is taking so long to go through a progression yet not being able to roll out of the pocket much means the D-lineman/rushers know they only have to cover a narrow passing window and just play jump ball to bat or tip them away! How many tipped passes did he have today ... 5 or 6??

Ridiculous and that is mostly on Kyle! When he takes so long to decide to pass he telegraphs like hell and then tipping his passes becomes a regular thing. Cost us the game today .. along with the asinine play calling around the goal line.

Hulamau
09-25-2011, 06:59 PM
I think Fox didnt want to use Tebow cause if he did and that was the winning difference it would just put unbelievably more pressure to start him over Kyle.. create more of a PR mess for the team.. Im sure Fox figured we'd six score 'his' way..

Next time maybe he'll wise up. Nothing wrong with using Kyle where he is better and using Tebow where he is a slam dunk choice along the goal line. The key there is not always running Tim there, but letting him roll out and play action pass and even hand off to McGahee at times a well. Keep em guessin' and its almost a lock for a score.

When Tebow is that close to pay dirt I sure wouldn't want to get in his way ....

Mogulseeker
09-25-2011, 07:17 PM
Denver is up 17-10 if you take the FG.

Tennessee would have tied us, not beat us by the end of regulation.

They didn't tie us on the next drive.

hambone13
09-25-2011, 07:26 PM
Hindsight is always 20/20.... I would have gone for it. We stopped them on the next drive and couldn't get anything going on the next. Had we got the TD, we would have put the game away, and when the Titans got the ball back, we were still in control.

You go for it there.

This is a ridiculous premise. You ALWAYS go up by a TD when there is that much time left in the game unless your offense is just rockin' it. ALWAYS. Stupid call from a guy considered to be conservative in general while he plays conservative 3 plays prior. I mean, how many chances do we need with their penalties to show that we can't run it up the gut? You take the 3. It's simple.

hambone13
09-25-2011, 07:29 PM
Thats funny because I'm sure you would be praising him if they scored on the 4th and goal. Anyways, I liked the call but not the play, would have liked a run outside or maybe a playaction pass.

No, I would still be saying it was a stupid decision but glad that we were lucky enough to get it.

Mogulseeker
09-25-2011, 07:29 PM
Dude, we shut them out in the next drive... it wasn't the call the stopped us from getting a TD on the next drive.

Vegas_Bronco
09-25-2011, 07:39 PM
Doesn't matter what the scenario is, when you get beat, you get beat. The offensive line hasn't done **** this year and still continues to struggle.

hambone13
09-25-2011, 07:44 PM
Dude, we shut them out in the next drive... it wasn't the call the stopped us from getting a TD on the next drive.

The next drive is not the point...the score is.

barryr
09-25-2011, 08:37 PM
With Tebow in the game in short yardage, the defense has more to worry about than they do with Orton at QB.