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oubronco
09-25-2011, 01:16 PM
When a QB has time and has the ball tipped at the line it is his fault. A QB is responsible for either finding a passing lane or arcing the ball high enough not to get tipped.

Yea cause Tebow would've moved his throw 6 inches to the left at the last millisecond right

It's going to be a long fuggin year with you dumbasses around

SonOfLe-loLang
09-25-2011, 01:16 PM
I think you're a one issue zealot. Tebow or nothing. No point in talking to you. Lot's of people made mistakes in that game.

I don't like orton, but I'm fine with starting him. What I'm not fine with is him playing 1st and goal at the 5. Last year tebow was 100 percent down there. We lost this game on that goal line sequence. Why don't the coaches play the best goal line threat in the league there. What's the excuse. Someone please answer this

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 01:17 PM
The guy who made the mistake that cost us that game was the guy who missed his assignment on Graham.

Jesus Christ you are one clueless mother****er...

Heyneck
09-25-2011, 01:17 PM
I have been a fan for 11 years. I consider myself a diehard fan. I used to cry when we losed....but now....it's just painful to watch what we have become. Say what you want....Brian Griese had more hart (remember his 2dgr dislocated shoulder game against raiders), Plummer was a leader.....and Cutler (thats another story). I am sick and tired of watching Kyle "Best Chance" Orton lead our team. Give Tebow a chance....heck give Brady a chance!!!

P.S sorry about my english.....I am from Colombia.

RhymesayersDU
09-25-2011, 01:17 PM
no, he's like the girlfriend who is saving herself for marriage, except of course you are never going to marry her, so why in the world would you continue to date her?

This is actually pretty spot-on.

We're not going to re-sign Orton, and we're not a playoff team. This is quite pointless.

I'm not saying Tebow or even Quinn is the answer, but I'm all for seeing what we have with either of them.

Ray Finkle
09-25-2011, 01:17 PM
1. Our OL pass protection has improved every game to being very good today.
2. Our run game has improved leaps and bounds compared to last year.
3. Our defense has improved astronomically since last year.
4. Even our STs isn't a complete black hole like last year.

Except ask Orton to improve, even a little bit and here's the response:

http://symbii.com/images/stories/orton2.jpg


I'm actually liking this team more and more....save for the QBs...

Rohirrim
09-25-2011, 01:17 PM
No...you're the single issue zealot. You are afraid of Tebow. It has blinded you so badly that you cant see what everyone else sees. Wake up, man.

There's really no purpose in talking to a brick wall, which is what all you Tebonites are. Tebow had plenty of opportunity to take the job. He couldn't do it. Frankly, he looked like **** in lot of those preseason games. You don't see reality. Like a toddler, you only see what you want.

Play2win
09-25-2011, 01:18 PM
Given an opportunity in life, some people succeed, some people actually dominate and own the situation, and some people fail. Given these first three games, KO has definitely failed. He has no purpose or future with this team, and it is time for him to just go.

Archedamian
09-25-2011, 01:18 PM
Orton doesn't want the ball in clutch moments. Even under no pressure plays, with great pass protection all we've seen from Orton is the checkdown pass or targetting the nearest WR.

It's as if he's terrified of taking risks and is afraid of making mistakes, or losing his job.

This is exactly what I said earlier. It is in his head now.

Broncos4tw
09-25-2011, 01:18 PM
Passes get tipped for two reasons. One, the line is being bullied and pushed back, and it allows defenders to get close and get their hands up. The second reason is when a QB locks onto one receiver, and telegraphs where the ball is going. We have a lot of both of these reasons. Watch that last pass. See if Orton looks anywhere from start to finish on that tipped play. He doesn't. It's easy to tip, when the QB does this, and never pump fakes.

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 01:18 PM
Yea cause Tebow would've moved his throw 6 inches to the left at the last millisecond right

It's going to be a long fuggin year with you dumbasses around

The same clowns defending this worthless piece of **** as always. I really don't know why anyone takes you people seriously anymore...

Rohirrim
09-25-2011, 01:18 PM
Jesus Christ you are one clueless mother****er...

Clueless? We were leading 14 to 10. Somebody on defense allowed the TE to make a 60 yard play. Then, nobody covered Graham and he gets a gift TD. Then, it's 17 to 14. Sounds to me like you're the idiot.

OABB
09-25-2011, 01:19 PM
There's really no purpose in talking to a brick wall, which is what all you Tebonites are. Tebow had plenty of opportunity to take the job. He couldn't do it. Frankly, he looked like **** in lot of those preseason games. You don't see reality. Like a toddler, you only see what you want.

greates irony post ever.

fontaine
09-25-2011, 01:19 PM
The guy who made the mistake that cost us that game was the guy who missed his assignment on Graham.

Yeah, THAT was the guy who threw the two picks, throwing at the feet of open WRs, having numerous passes batted down/tipped under little or no pressure.

Yes, our defense didn't shut out the Titans, IT MUST BE THEIR FAULT!

SonOfLe-loLang
09-25-2011, 01:19 PM
Someone please answer my above question

epicSocialism4tw
09-25-2011, 01:19 PM
There's really no purpose in talking to a brick wall, which is what all you Tebonites are. Tebow had plenty of opportunity to take the job. He couldn't do it. Frankly, he looked like **** in lot of those preseason games. You don't see reality. Like a toddler, you only see what you want.

Right. Ha!

Orton sure has earned this job and gives the team the best chance to...apparently to lose winnable games.

Hamrob
09-25-2011, 01:19 PM
The guy who made the mistake that cost us that game was the guy who missed his assignment on Graham.This game was lost by Orton and Orton alone. The two biggest f-ups in this game...were his 2 int's. They killed us. The 3rd play that hurt us...was Kern converting a 4th down.

You can't continue to lose the TO battle and win games. For a guy who only threw for 4yds a play...to have 2 int's to boot. He Sucks! Sorry dude!

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 01:20 PM
Passes get tipped for two reasons. One, the line is being bullied and pushed back, and it allows defenders to get close and get their hands up. The second reason is when a QB locks onto one receiver, and telegraphs where the ball is going. We have a lot of both of these reasons. Watch that last pass. See if Orton looks anywhere from start to finish on that tipped play. He doesn't. It's easy to tip, when the QB does this, and never pump fakes.

He also threw it so low that the defender didn't even need to leap or fully extend his arm. Yet it isn't his fault... ::)

Broncos4tw
09-25-2011, 01:21 PM
There's really no purpose in talking to a brick wall, which is what all you Tebonites are. Tebow had plenty of opportunity to take the job. He couldn't do it. Frankly, he looked like **** in lot of those preseason games. You don't see reality. Like a toddler, you only see what you want.

No, people just are tried of seeing uninspired play from a QB who never elevates his game to get it done when he needs to. I'll take a mechanically sloppy, unorthodox rookie who actually elevates his game and tries to do something special when he needs to, over this "ho hum I'm bored guess I'll throw another tipped pass" joke who is Orton.

Orton is not a gamer, never has been, and probably never will be.

Rohirrim
09-25-2011, 01:21 PM
Did it occur to anybody, watching this game, that Orton was boxed in because he wasn't given any outs? Did you see any downfield plays? Nothing to stretch the offense? Why not? Chew on that for a minute.

fontaine
09-25-2011, 01:21 PM
There's really no purpose in talking to a brick wall, which is what all you Tebonites are. Tebow had plenty of opportunity to take the job. He couldn't do it. Frankly, he looked like **** in lot of those preseason games. You don't see reality. Like a toddler, you only see what you want.

What the **** does Tebow have anything to do with this, or the steaming pile of crap that Orton just put up as the QB?

Oh, I get it, it's Tebow fault Orton sucks!

:spit:

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 01:21 PM
Clueless? We were leading 14 to 10. Somebody on defense allowed the TE to make a 60 yard play. Then, nobody covered Graham and he gets a gift TD. Then, it's 17 to 14. Sounds to me like you're the idiot.

24 of 39 for 173 yards and two interceptions say hi...

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 01:22 PM
Did it occur to anybody, watching this game, that Orton was boxed in because he wasn't given any outs? Did you see any downfield plays? Nothing to stretch the offense? Why not? Chew on that for a minute.

Wow...just wow...

Hamrob
09-25-2011, 01:22 PM
Clueless? We were leading 14 to 10. Somebody on defense allowed the TE to make a 60 yard play. Then, nobody covered Graham and he gets a gift TD. Then, it's 17 to 14. Sounds to me like you're the idiot.For our defense to only give up 17 points...is simply amazing. They are without DOOM, Champ, DJW, Thomas etc. Our defense kicked ass this game!

Archedamian
09-25-2011, 01:22 PM
No, people just are tried of seeing uninspired play from a QB who never elevates his game to get it done when he needs to. I'll take a mechanically sloppy, unorthodox rookie who actually elevates his game and tries to do something special when he needs to, over this "ho hum I'm bored guess I'll throw another tipped pass" joke who is Orton.

Orton is not a gamer, never has been, and probably never will be.

Amen, brother.

oubronco
09-25-2011, 01:22 PM
You people thinking one player cost them the game don't know anything about football

SonOfLe-loLang
09-25-2011, 01:22 PM
Did it occur to anybody, watching this game, that Orton was boxed in because he wasn't given any outs? Did you see any downfield plays? Nothing to stretch the offense? Why not? Chew on that for a minute.

All well and good. Why is Orton playing on the goalline. What's the thought process behind that

Jesterhole
09-25-2011, 01:22 PM
Once again, Orton sucks, this team is now terrible, and Fox is pathetic for not starting Tebow. We will be one of the five worst teams in football for the next few years, enjoy!

DrFate
09-25-2011, 01:22 PM
Someone please answer my above question

I said this during preseason - Fox isn't going to put Tebow on the field for any 'package'. He doesn't want to flame the fires for one. For another, I'm sure he sees it as a slap in the face to his 'veteran' QB to pull him and put Tebow on when they close to the endzone.

Broncos4tw
09-25-2011, 01:23 PM
Did it occur to anybody, watching this game, that Orton was boxed in because he wasn't given any outs? Did you see any downfield plays? Nothing to stretch the offense? Why not? Chew on that for a minute.

No.. there are plays there, he just never tries to make them. You may think that his amazing passes to interception ratio is a thing of beauty. It's not. It's just a product of his "safe" play. Safe.. boring.. predictable play.

frerottenextelway
09-25-2011, 01:23 PM
I don't like orton, but I'm fine with starting him. What I'm not fine with is him playing 1st and goal at the 5. Last year tebow was 100 percent down there. We lost this game on that goal line sequence. Why don't the coaches play the best goal line threat in the league there. What's the excuse. Someone please answer this

Because when he scores the noise is only going to get louder for him to start, and they are hell bent to make sure that doesn't happen, for whatever reason.

fontaine
09-25-2011, 01:23 PM
Did it occur to anybody, watching this game, that Orton was boxed in because he wasn't given any outs? Did you see any downfield plays? Nothing to stretch the offense? Why not? Chew on that for a minute.

You don't make downfield plays when staring down your first read, which almost always happens to be a quick dump off pass.

But you're probably right, Decker/Lloyd just forgot they had to run downfield.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-25-2011, 01:23 PM
I said this during preseason - Fox isn't going to put Tebow on the field for any 'package'. He doesn't want to flame the fires for one. For another, I'm sure he sees it as a slap in the face to his 'veteran' QB to pull him and put Tebow on when they close to the endzone.

Then he deserves to be fired

Hamrob
09-25-2011, 01:23 PM
Did it occur to anybody, watching this game, that Orton was boxed in because he wasn't given any outs? Did you see any downfield plays? Nothing to stretch the offense? Why not? Chew on that for a minute.You're just being silly now! Orton doesn't look down the field, because he can't go down the field...unless his receiver is wide open...like by 20yds. Otherwise, he doesn't have the nads to try it.

4yd a pass play...that's Orton.

Rohirrim
09-25-2011, 01:24 PM
Yeah, THAT was the guy who threw the two picks, throwing at the feet of open WRs, having numerous passes batted down/tipped under little or no pressure.

Yes, our defense didn't shut out the Titans, IT MUST BE THEIR FAULT!

We were leading going into the fourth quarter. The defense gave up the lead. You don't understand that? Pretty simple ****. Some people need to face the facts. This team is not good. It only has a few good players. Orton is only one part of a whole slew of issues. To blame Orton every week is childish. If Tebow was in there, it would make no difference. What do think Tebow would have done today? Run down the field on his own making TDs? Yeah. Right.

Que
09-25-2011, 01:24 PM
You're just looking for any excuse not to blame Orton.

You're the only one who doesnt see it.

Its no coincidence that its the same group of extremist liberal crazies who hate Tebow so much that they think that they have to constantly apologize for Orton.

Totally with you in everything except your last sentence. I am an extremist liberal crazy and a Tebow fan.

It's come to this - we agree violently on something. Yikes! End times man, end times. ;)

Broncos4tw
09-25-2011, 01:24 PM
You people thinking one player cost them the game don't know anything about football

Why think of it like that? Rather, there is one player who COULD have stepped up his game to make the difference. This player is NEVER Orton.

He imo, did not exactly lose the game for us. But he certainly didn't win it for us either, and he could have. Many QBs do. EVERY WEEK. He never does.

eddie mac
09-25-2011, 01:24 PM
I didn't think I'd laugh after the score today but reading some of the posts on this thread have actually made me piss myself. For someone to have the notion that the pass protection and runblocking is better this year than last is absolutely ****ing ludicrous. The offense has went backward.

Steve Prefontaine
09-25-2011, 01:25 PM
Did it occur to anybody, watching this game, that Orton was boxed in because he wasn't given any outs? Did you see any downfield plays? Nothing to stretch the offense? Why not? Chew on that for a minute.

Bottom line....you think Orton played a good game?

GreatBronco16
09-25-2011, 01:25 PM
1st and goal from the two. Tebow time???????? Hell no, we will run it twice with McGahee and let Orton throw it out of the endzone. Then on 4th down, we still don't trust Kyle to get it in there, so we run it again with McGahee knowing that we won't make it.


Oh yeah, Tebow is over there on the bench cause Orton beat him out in practice. Special plays for Tebow?? We don't need them, we got Orton.

oubronco
09-25-2011, 01:25 PM
Why think of it like that? Rather, there is one player who COULD have stepped up his game to make the difference. This player is NEVER Orton.

He imo, did not exactly lose the game for us. But he certainly didn't win it for us either, and he could have. Many QBs do. EVERY WEEK. He never does.

Becuase it is a TEAM sport not an individual one like most of you think

Rohirrim
09-25-2011, 01:25 PM
You don't make downfield plays when staring down your first read, which almost always happens to be a quick dump off pass.

But you're probably right, Decker/Lloyd just forgot they had to run downfield.

Bull****. There were no deep balls plays in the script. Why not?

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 01:26 PM
We were leading going into the fourth quarter. The defense gave up the lead. You don't understand that? Pretty simple ****. Some people need to face the facts. This team is not good. It only has a few good players. Orton is only one part of a whole slew of issues. To blame Orton every week is childish. If Tebow was in there, it would make no difference. What do think Tebow would have done today? Run down the field on his own making TDs? Yeah. Right.

What would Tebow have done? No one knows. But something tells me he would of managed more than 14 points.

zdoor
09-25-2011, 01:26 PM
For our defense to only give up 17 points...is simply amazing. They are without DOOM, Champ, DJW, Thomas etc. Our defense kicked ass this game!

This...

TonyR
09-25-2011, 01:27 PM
FYI, Tennessee's defense is pretty good. They've given up 16, 13, and 14 points in their 3 games.

DrFate
09-25-2011, 01:27 PM
Then he deserves to be fired

When we were told that there was no Tebow package for short yardage, I knew there was no chance he'd see the field.

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 01:27 PM
You people thinking one player cost them the game don't know anything about football

Very few have said that. But Orton is at the top of the list and deserves a big helping of blame.

oubronco
09-25-2011, 01:27 PM
For our defense to only give up 17 points...is simply amazing. They are without DOOM, Champ, DJW, Thomas etc. Our defense kicked ass this game!

Except when it mattered the most

Broncos4tw
09-25-2011, 01:28 PM
Becuase it is a TEAM sport not an individual one like most of you think

That's ridiculous, and you know it. Look at the QBs from the last 20 SB teams, and try to tell me with a straight face, all those teams are there because they "played like a team," and not because they had an excellent QB.

The QB more than any other position, can elevate his play to nab wins for his team. Like I said, you see it every single week in the NFL. When can you remember Orton getting fired up, getting the team fired up, and leading them to a victory?

You act as if the QB is merely an incidental player on the field, with no more push to change the game than a LB or a TE.

Rohirrim
09-25-2011, 01:28 PM
Bottom line....you think Orton played a good game?

Like I've already said, Orton is a backup quality QB. That's the quality of game he plays. I really doubt the Broncos consider him the future of this franchise. The problem some of the Tebownites can't seem to get into their heads, is this franchise might not think that Tebow is the future of the franchise either. ;D

DrFate
09-25-2011, 01:28 PM
FYI, Tennessee's defense is pretty good. They've given up 16, 13, and 14 points in their 3 games.

Against Jacksonville, Baltimore, and Denver (full disclosure)

Hamrob
09-25-2011, 01:28 PM
We were leading going into the fourth quarter. The defense gave up the lead. You don't understand that? Pretty simple ****. Some people need to face the facts. This team is not good. It only has a few good players. Orton is only one part of a whole slew of issues. To blame Orton every week is childish. If Tebow was in there, it would make no difference. What do think Tebow would have done today? Run down the field on his own making TDs? Yeah. Right.He may have thrown 3 int's and killed us...or he may have throw 5 td's. I really don't care.

To your point, this team has all kinds of holes....and is not a playoff team...so, why play a bum at the QB spot who is out of here next year????

Why not play the kid you invested a 1st round pick on....like other teams are??

oubronco
09-25-2011, 01:29 PM
Very few have said that. But Orton is at the top of the list and deserves a big helping of blame.

There is alot of blame to go around but all it ever is around here is "It's all Orton's fault and Tebow would've done this instead"

Gutless Drunk
09-25-2011, 01:29 PM
231 total offense ain't going to get it done in this league

Archedamian
09-25-2011, 01:29 PM
Like I've already said, Orton is a backup quality QB. That's the quality of game he plays. I really doubt the Broncos consider him the future of this franchise. The problem some of the Tebownites can't seem to get into their heads, is this franchise might not think that Tebow is the future of the franchise either. ;D

Well, that is evidently clear.

Dagmar
09-25-2011, 01:29 PM
You people thinking one player cost them the game don't know anything about football

I literally don't know ONE person who thinks this. Don't you get it? Your QB is supposed to LEAD your team. Trent DIlfer and Brad Johnson are NOT the norm. With ALL of the mistakes from the D and drops from receivers, people believe a different QB could have gotten us 7 more points today to win.

Gort
09-25-2011, 01:30 PM
No, people just are tried of seeing uninspired play from a QB who never elevates his game to get it done when he needs to. I'll take a mechanically sloppy, unorthodox rookie who actually elevates his game and tries to do something special when he needs to, over this "ho hum I'm bored guess I'll throw another tipped pass" joke who is Orton.

Orton is not a gamer, never has been, and probably never will be.

it's a good thing Orton doesn't play to impress the fans, huh?

:)

honestly, i can't wait for the post-Orton era to begin. i don't hate Orton (well, at this point i do hate him a little, but i don't despise him), i just want him to be somebody else's starting QB. Tebow, Quinn, or TBD would all be better options for us at this point. they can't be much worse.

oubronco
09-25-2011, 01:30 PM
That's ridiculous, and you know it. Look at the QBs from the last 20 SB teams, and try to tell me with a straight face, all those teams are there because they "played like a team," and not because they had an excellent QB.

The QB more than any other position, can elevate his play to nab wins for his team. Like I said, you see it every single week in the NFL. When can you remember Orton getting fired up, getting the team fired up, and leading them to a victory?

You act as if the QB is merely an incidental player on the field, with no more push to change the game than a LB or a TE.

Put any of those QB's on this team and tell me you think they win the SB

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 01:30 PM
Like I've already said, Orton is a backup quality QB. That's the quality of game he plays. I really doubt the Broncos consider him the future of this franchise. The problem some of the Tebownites can't seem to get into their heads, is this franchise might not think that Tebow is the future of the franchise either. ;D

They "might not think"? How about they actually try him and see before coming to a conclusion like that? Or is that too much to ask? Do you really think it's better to lose with a guy that is a proven dead end than one who remains an unknown?

fontaine
09-25-2011, 01:30 PM
We were leading going into the fourth quarter. The defense gave up the lead. You don't understand that? Pretty simple ****. Some people need to face the facts. This team is not good. It only has a few good players. Orton is only one part of a whole slew of issues. To blame Orton every week is childish. If Tebow was in there, it would make no difference. What do think Tebow would have done today? Run down the field on his own making TDs? Yeah. Right.

When did I EVER solely blame Orton?

I recognize this is a team that's rebuilding, full of younger players with key players injured and missing.

But the QB issue is most important because we DON'T have DL/CB/OL replacements on the bench.

We do have real alternatives at QB though. THAT'S why I'm talking about Orton.

Or would you prefer talking about the virtues of starting Unrein or Vilhite?

Hamrob
09-25-2011, 01:30 PM
You people thinking one player cost them the game don't know anything about footballThe point is this...Kyle Orton did not and does not make this team better! This team is not a playoff team. Orton is gone next year. You spent a 1st round pick on a QB. Play the kid to see what he has...and whether you can trust him to be your guy next year.

DO YOU (idiots) get that????????

oubronco
09-25-2011, 01:32 PM
The point is this...Kyle Orton did not and does not make this team better! This team is not a playoff team. Orton is gone next year. You spent a 1st round pick on a QB. Play the kid to see what he has...and whether you can trust him to be your guy next year.

DO YOU (idiots) get that????????

Link to where they have said Orton won't be here next year

epicSocialism4tw
09-25-2011, 01:32 PM
When did I EVER solely blame Orton?

I recognize this is a team that's rebuilding, full of younger players with key players injured and missing.

But the QB issue is most important because we DON'T have DL/CB/OL replacements on the bench.

We do have real alternatives at QB though. THAT'S why I'm talking about Orton.

Or would you prefer talking about the virtues of starting Unrein or Vilhite?

Because hes afraid of Tebow.

He thinks that Tebow's coming after his precious abortions.

RhymesayersDU
09-25-2011, 01:32 PM
There is alot of blame to go around but all it ever is around here is "It's all Orton's fault and Tebow would've done this instead"

Then you're not paying attention. I don't think anybody outside of DramaLlama is proclaiming that Tebow would be the great QB and win these games. You're right, the entire team is bad and there's a lot of blame.

But we're not going to re-sign Orton after this year. And we're not going to go to the playoffs, either. So why not find out what your young draft pick has in him? And for the record, I apply the same logic to Quinn. If we're not going to win, we might as well not win with the young guys.

TonyR
09-25-2011, 01:33 PM
Against Jacksonville, Baltimore, and Denver (full disclosure)

Go check out what Baltimore did against Pittsburgh and then check back in.

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 01:33 PM
There is alot of blame to go around but all it ever is around here is "It's all Orton's fault and Tebow would've done this instead"

I'm sorry, do we have young, promising players that we drafted in the 1st round sitting behind the likes of Vaughn, Walton, or McGahee? I wasn't aware of that...

Broncos4tw
09-25-2011, 01:33 PM
Put any of those QB's on this team and tell me you think they win the SB

I think many QBs playing in Ortons place today would have easily won that game. Orton brought absolutely NOTHING special to the game today. He never does. The Titans imploded early, AND had no running game, AND had only 17 points. There are a lot of quality QBs who would have taken advantage of that, and beaten the holy crap out of the Titans team. Uninspired play though, has the side effect of inspiring the other other team to beat you. Which is exactly what happened.

Gort
09-25-2011, 01:33 PM
well, they are about to interview Orton on the 805AM postgame show. how much you wanna bet the whole interview is done in the typical Orton monotone drone, filled with cliches about "we had our chances" and "we didn't get it done" and "we need to work on that for next week", but that orton does not accept any blame or responsibility for ****ting his pants yet again?

anyone?

...anyone??

...Bueller ?? ...Bueller??

Hamrob
09-25-2011, 01:34 PM
Link to where they have said Orton won't be here next yearSo, you really think that the Denver Broncos would resign Kyle Orton???

If you truly think that..............you listen to the TEBOW chants that are going to be going on at Mile High 2-weeks from now. Then get back to me.

epicSocialism4tw
09-25-2011, 01:35 PM
Then you're not paying attention. I don't think anybody outside of DramaLlama is proclaiming that Tebow would be the great QB and win these games. You're right, the entire team is bad and there's a lot of blame.

But we're not going to re-sign Orton after this year. And we're not going to go to the playoffs, either. So why not find out what your young draft pick has in him? And for the record, I apply the same logic to Quinn. If we're not going to win, we might as well not win with the young guys.

Douchepan, nobody has claimed that Tebow "would be the great QB and win these games". That's your strange mental concoction.

But what is apparent, is that Tebow likely wouldnt be any worse than Orton at this point, so you may as well make the change and start moving the franchise forward.

Its only guys like Rohirrim and Rigs who are biased by their petty political grudges who won't admit the obvious.

fontaine
09-25-2011, 01:36 PM
I didn't think I'd laugh after the score today but reading some of the posts on this thread have actually made me piss myself. For someone to have the notion that the pass protection and runblocking is better this year than last is absolutely ****ing ludicrous. The offense has went backward.

Completely false.

Last year defenders routinely were able to slice into the back field and stuff the RB for a loss or no gain.

In the first three games alone we've seen less stuffs, plays for negative yardage in the run game.

That alone is huge improvement.

Steve Prefontaine
09-25-2011, 01:36 PM
Link to where they have said Orton won't be here next year

You can't REALLY believe Orton will be in Denver next year.

If so, you should take a break. Other posters must be getting you rattled or something. You're more sensible than that.

broncolife
09-25-2011, 01:36 PM
Denver O

Punt

TD-O Starts at Tenn 48 yard line. D get penalized 2 times for 20 yards.O only had to go 28 yards for the td.

Punt-3 and out

Int-At Tenn 44 yard line.Luckly the D forces a turnover and Tenn doesnt score because of it.

Punt-3 and out. the most yards we gained on this drive was a 5 yard penalty.

Punt

TD-15 yard penalty helped. but otherwise a good drive.

Stuffed-D turnovers the ball at the 13 yard line and our O get nothing.

Punt

Int- In field goal range to tie and Kyle throws an int to end the game.

The D did a good job during this game. They had 2 turnovers and 1 was in the redzone.Only allowed 17 points. The O couldnt capitalize on 2 turnovers the d gave them and 1 was 13 yards from the goaline. I cant believe some people are blaming the D for this.

Dagmar
09-25-2011, 01:36 PM
Link to where they have said Orton won't be here next year

Ok, I'll ask, and you OWE me honesty here. WHY do you like Kyle Orton?

Gort
09-25-2011, 01:36 PM
says he's not crying about the throw to Decker. says it was a good decision, just bad luck. says he has the right personnel out there. we need to keep on fighting. played hard. played for each other. and they had a chance. says we need to work on creating big plays and easy scores. says the one 16-play drive is hard to come by. says we need to limit turnovers. got to find a way to score from the one when you're on the road.

ugh.

didn't take the blame for anything and wasn't asked. he didn't even seem bothered by the loss. he sounded oddly upbeat.

ugh.

Bowlen, get rid of this guy already.

oh, and there was a way to score from the one... PUT IN TEBOW IN A GL PACKAGE! HELLO?!

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 01:37 PM
So, you really think that the Denver Broncos would resign Kyle Orton???

If you truly think that..............you listen to the TEBOW chants that are going to be going on at Mile High 2-weeks from now. Then get back to me.

I would say it was all but impossible if someone else was in charge. But with these people, I'm not so sure...

Dagmar
09-25-2011, 01:38 PM
says he's not crying about the throw to Decker. says it was a good decision, just bad luck. .

He overthrew Decker. **** off Orton. **** off.

RhymesayersDU
09-25-2011, 01:38 PM
Douchepan, nobody has claimed that Tebow "would be the great QB and win these games". That's your strange mental concoction.

But what is apparent, is that Tebow likely wouldnt be any worse than Orton at this point, so you may as well make the change and start moving the franchise forward.

Its only guys like Rohirrim and Rigs who are biased by their petty political grudges who won't admit the obvious.

ROFL. Again, it's funny because we're on the same side of this issue. I want Tebow playing immediately, and I've wanted it since game 1.

But where you and I don't agree on is that your Tebow agenda is different than most others. And then you have the audacity to call out other people for their biases and political grudges.

I mean, pot and kettle my man. If you don't think people don't see why you're the board's #1 Tebow fan, you're insane.

And one more time; we're on the same side. I'm pro-Tebow. But it doesn't hold a candle to your Tebow love. Not even close.

Broncos4tw
09-25-2011, 01:38 PM
he didn't even seem bothered by the loss. he sounded oddly upbeat.

ugh.

Bowlen, get rid of this guy already.

oh, and there was a way to score from the one... PUT IN TEBOW IN A GL PACKAGE! HELLO?!

I am starting to think he is a (poorly programmed) robot.

epicSocialism4tw
09-25-2011, 01:38 PM
Completely false.

Last year defenders routinely were able to slice into the back field and stuff the RB for a loss or no gain.

In the first three games alone we've seen less stuffs, plays for negative yardage in the run game.

That alone is huge improvement.

The pass offense had clean pockets all day. Heck, the pocket sloth didnt even take a sack, did he?

Rohirrim
09-25-2011, 01:39 PM
When did I EVER solely blame Orton?

I recognize this is a team that's rebuilding, full of younger players with key players injured and missing.

But the QB issue is most important because we DON'T have DL/CB/OL replacements on the bench.

We do have real alternatives at QB though. THAT'S why I'm talking about Orton.

Or would you prefer talking about the virtues of starting Unrein or Vilhite?

I'm not opposed to putting Tebow in. I don't understand why they don't, at this point. While I don't believe he would make that much of a difference in the final scores of these games, I do think he'd be more entertaining. I'm worried that Elway has the same, fixed idea of "vets come first" that Fox seems to have. Maybe that's why he brought in Fox? Maybe they don't have any faith in Tebow and are afraid if they put him out there and he's a disaster, he loses any trade value he might have.

My point is, on this board, there are a bunch of crazy people who really think Tebow would come out and change everything on his own. That's childish.

epicSocialism4tw
09-25-2011, 01:39 PM
ROFL. Again, it's funny because we're on the same side of this issue. I want Tebow playing immediately, and I've wanted it since game 1.

But where you and I don't agree on is that your Tebow agenda is different than most others. And then you have the audacity to call out other people for their biases and political grudges.

I mean, pot and kettle my man. If you don't think people don't see why you're the board's #1 Tebow fan, you're insane.

And one more time; we're on the same side. I'm pro-Tebow. But it doesn't hold a candle to your Tebow love. Not even close.

You are an absolute loon. Like crazytown loon. You have created all of that stuff in your head and have nothing tangible to base it on.

DrFate
09-25-2011, 01:40 PM
Go check out what Baltimore did against Pittsburgh and then check back in.

I was merely providing information

Wes Mantooth
09-25-2011, 01:40 PM
Positives from Today

-Pass protection from the O-Line looks better
-I don't hate Spencer Larsen anymore
-Refreshing to see a pass-catching TE
-Von Miller is a playmaker
-When Eric Decker knows what he is doing, he looks like the #2 we have been missing (Royal is not the answer).
-Knowshon is way more useful on the bench. McGahee is a huge improvement to the run game

Play2win
09-25-2011, 01:41 PM
Maybe Bowlen can get drunk and pull one of his Knee-Jerk reactions again and CUT ORTON FROM THE TEAM.

Rohirrim
09-25-2011, 01:41 PM
Douchepan, nobody has claimed that Tebow "would be the great QB and win these games". That's your strange mental concoction.

But what is apparent, is that Tebow likely wouldnt be any worse than Orton at this point, so you may as well make the change and start moving the franchise forward.

Its only guys like Rohirrim and Rigs who are biased by their petty political grudges who won't admit the obvious.

You've got to be one of the biggest dumbasses I've ever run into. What could possibly be "political" about this?

fontaine
09-25-2011, 01:42 PM
I think many QBs playing in Ortons place today would have easily won that game. Orton brought absolutely NOTHING special to the game today. He never does. The Titans imploded early, AND had no running game, AND had only 17 points. There are a lot of quality QBs who would have taken advantage of that, and beaten the holy crap out of the Titans team. Uninspired play though, has the side effect of inspiring the other other team to beat you. Which is exactly what happened.

I've seen absolutely nothing from Orton this year that Tebow couldn't do himself plus churn out first downs running with the ball himself when plays break down, the coverage is too good or in the red zone, or pretty much any other play when Orton makes a fool out of himself.

I said it after the monday night game in week 1 against the fade that the gutless, play it safe-not-to-lose, weak ass game of Orton was the end of my supporting him.

I wish Orton and his family well, but Orton the player is completely dead to me. The only positive out of this game is it's one game less I get to see this coward soil the Orange and Blue.

RhymesayersDU
09-25-2011, 01:42 PM
You are an absolute loon. Like crazytown loon. You have created all of that stuff in your head and have nothing tangible to base it on.

Look man. It's OK. I believe that you believe that I'm crazy.

Remember, it's not a lie if you believe it.

If you think people don't see your religious right agenda, and how Timmy Tebow fits in with that, you severely underestimate the people on this board.

Gort
09-25-2011, 01:42 PM
He overthrew Decker. **** off Orton. **** off.

to be fair, he might have said that plays like that are just bad luck. i'd have to listen again. i was typing while he said it and also summarizing, so i might not have gotten the context exactly right when he said "bad luck". but he wasn't backtracking on that play. he said Decker was open and it was the right throw.

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 01:43 PM
My point is, on this board, there are a bunch of crazy people who really think Tebow would come out and change everything on his own. That's childish.

Most of us just don't see any benefit in starting Orton. If we're going to lose let's lose with the young guy we have under contract beyond this year. Let's get him experience. Let's figure out if we want to use our top 5 pick on a QB or not (a stupid decision in my opinion unless he absolutely sucks, but at least it would be a little more informed if he actually played some first). There is no good reason to start Orton at this point. None.

zdoor
09-25-2011, 01:44 PM
6 turnovers in 3 games on KO. All were game changers or momentum breakers.

epicSocialism4tw
09-25-2011, 01:44 PM
Look man. It's OK. I believe that you believe that I'm crazy.

Remember, it's not a lie if you believe it.

If you think people don't see your religious right agenda, and how Timmy Tebow fits in with that, you severely underestimate the people on this board.

I don't know if "crazytown" quite explains it. Its more like padded cell. Ha!

I don't know how someone creates such weird ideas without any sort of basis in reality and convinces themselves that they are true.

Broncos4tw
09-25-2011, 01:44 PM
My point is, on this board, there are a bunch of crazy people who really think Tebow would come out and change everything on his own. That's childish.

I think very few people truly believe he would make that much a difference. I honestly don't think we'd LOSE any more games with him in though. With that being the case, and Orton probably a sure thing to be traded, might as well put him in. Worse that can happen is he sucks horribly, and we get Luck out of the deal. Best is he matures quickly and we find out he really is the gamer we were looking for, and just wins games. I don't see a reason to not play him at this point, other than them trying to play nice with Orton.

Hamrob
09-25-2011, 01:44 PM
Positives from Today

-Pass protection from the O-Line looks better
-I don't hate Spencer Larsen anymore
-Refreshing to see a pass-catching TE
-Von Miller is a playmaker
-When Eric Decker knows what he is doing, he looks like the #2 we have been missing (Royal is not the answer).
-Knowshon is way more useful on the bench. McGahee is a huge improvement to the run gameGood stuff.

I'd add...the dline played very well, and Kuper was outstanding!

RhymesayersDU
09-25-2011, 01:44 PM
I don't know if "crazytown" quite explains it. Its more like padded cell. Ha!

I don't know how someone creates such weird ideas without any sort of basis in reality and convinces themselves that they are true.

I agree, your crazy beliefs are out there.

Dagmar
09-25-2011, 01:45 PM
My point is, on this board, there are a bunch of crazy people who really think Tebow would come out and change everything on his own. That's childish.

It's the guy who leads the offense, it's would change plenty. There will be growing pains, but it wouldn't be this. THIS. this. Is. Awful.

DivineBronco
09-25-2011, 01:45 PM
I don't know if "crazytown" quite explains it. Its more like padded cell. Ha!

I don't know how someone creates such weird ideas without any sort of basis in reality and convinces themselves that they are true.

haha your delusion knows no bounds

Broncos4tw
09-25-2011, 01:46 PM
I'm loving Von Miller. I just hope he racks up some more sacks this year, and probably will, once Doom returns.

epicSocialism4tw
09-25-2011, 01:46 PM
I agree, your crazy beliefs are out there.

Take your petty little grudge to the politics forum, Weirdy McCrazytown

Wes Mantooth
09-25-2011, 01:47 PM
Good stuff.

I'd add...the dline played very well, and Kuper was outstanding!

I would have liked to see more pressure on passing downs, but they certainly shut down the screens and runs.

oubronco
09-25-2011, 01:47 PM
Ok, I'll ask, and you OWE me honesty here. WHY do you like Kyle Orton?

I don't

Dagmar
09-25-2011, 01:48 PM
I don't

Fair enough.

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 01:48 PM
I'm loving Von Miller. I just hope he racks up some more sacks this year, and probably will, once Doom returns.

Two sacks in three games ain't too shabby so far.

RhymesayersDU
09-25-2011, 01:49 PM
Take your petty little grudge to the politics forum, Weirdy McCrazytown

Again, I'm unsure why you think I have a political grudge.

Newsflash: I'm a republican. In fact, I love your Cain avatar.

I'm just not a religious right wing extremist like you are.

AGAIN: We're on the same side of the Tebow issue, and generally we're on the same side politically. There's no grudge.

I'm just not an extremist like you are. That's why you want Tebow in so badly. It's pretty obvious.

Rohirrim
09-25-2011, 01:49 PM
Everybody should also keep in mind that Lloyd was not 100% and the Broncos did not have Champ Bailey, Elvis Dumervil, Knowshon Moreno, D.J. Williams, Marcus Thomas, Ty Warren or Demaryius Thomas.

Gort
09-25-2011, 01:49 PM
Two sacks in three games ain't too shabby so far.

couple of forced fumbles too. if only we had a QB who could capitalize on turnovers.

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 01:49 PM
I don't

So is it just a hatred for Tebow that keeps you defending him as our starter?

Requiem
09-25-2011, 01:49 PM
Take your petty little grudge to the politics forum, Weirdy McCrazytown

Yet you were the one who made it political. GTFO.

Dagmar
09-25-2011, 01:50 PM
So is it just a hatred for Tebow that keeps you defending him as our starter?

oubronco, I'm not with this guy.

Rohirrim
09-25-2011, 01:50 PM
Yet you were the one who made it political. GTFO.

He does that a lot. :oyvey:

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 01:50 PM
Everybody should also keep in mind that Lloyd was not 100% and the Broncos did not have Champ Bailey, Elvis Dumervil, Knowshon Moreno, D.J. Williams, Marcus Thomas, Ty Warren or Demaryius Thomas.

This changes Orton's chokejob how?

jebures
09-25-2011, 01:51 PM
Positives from Today

-Pass protection from the O-Line looks better
-I don't hate Spencer Larsen anymore
-Refreshing to see a pass-catching TE
-Von Miller is a playmaker
-When Eric Decker knows what he is doing, he looks like the #2 we have been missing (Royal is not the answer).
-Knowshon is way more useful on the bench. McGahee is a huge improvement to the run game


what, he was terrible today, if you think averaging 2.5 yds per carry on 25 carries is an improvement, knowshon must be ethan albright.

RhymesayersDU
09-25-2011, 01:51 PM
Yet you were the one who made it political. GTFO.

What's hilarious (or sad, depending on your point of view) is that he makes things political, and then claims that OTHER people have crazy agendas.

I mean, it's just wild.

broncolife
09-25-2011, 01:51 PM
Positives from Today

-Pass protection from the O-Line looks better
-I don't hate Spencer Larsen anymore
-Refreshing to see a pass-catching TE
-Von Miller is a playmaker
-When Eric Decker knows what he is doing, he looks like the #2 we have been missing (Royal is not the answer).
-Knowshon is way more useful on the bench. McGahee is a huge improvement to the run game
You forgot our Mvp Colquit

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 01:52 PM
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what, he was terrible today, if you think averaging 2.5 yds per carry on 25 carries is an improvement, knowshon must be ethan albright.

Apparently McGahee could run for negative yards and be an upgrade over Moreno to these people.

Requiem
09-25-2011, 01:52 PM
What's hilarious (or sad, depending on your point of view) is that he makes things political, and then claims that OTHER people have crazy agendas.

I mean, it's just wild.

He also saved a child in a drive by shooting.

epicSocialism4tw
09-25-2011, 01:54 PM
Again, I'm unsure why you think I have a political grudge.

Newsflash: I'm a republican. In fact, I love your Cain avatar.

I'm just not a religious right wing extremist like you are.

AGAIN: We're on the same side of the Tebow issue, and generally we're on the same side politically. There's no grudge.

I'm just not an extremist like you are. That's why you want Tebow in so badly. It's pretty obvious.

You sir are a complete weirdo. Have fun with that.

Gort
09-25-2011, 01:55 PM
Good stuff.

I'd add...the dline played very well, and Kuper was outstanding!

i would like to say that i applaud this Broncos team for playing with a chip on their shoulders. i generally don't like "chippy" games because usually they're a diversion when one team isn't good enough to beat the other team (lots of recent Raiders teams have been like that). the MNF game against the Raiders was chippy, but for good reason. it was a rivalry game and there is that matter of the game last year. also, today's game was chippy. i think that's because of that scumbag Finnegan and his play last year. however, in recent years, the Broncos have sort of backed down from teams that were more physical than them. those teams were soft and that softness fuled our opponents getting even more physical. so for this reason, i was glad to see Kuper hop on that guy who was down on the field and i was happy to see the guys ready to rumble over the hit to Orton. i don't like cheap plays or dirty plays, but i do like a team that doesn't take BS from the opponents. so hats off to the OL and DL today who were willing to go to war with a Tennessee team that was pulling some **** in the trenches.

oubronco
09-25-2011, 01:55 PM
oubronco, I'm not with this guy.

It's all good I ignore the dumbass anyway

I just don't think one player is going to make a huge difference like most do see if Decker makes his block on McGahee's run where the DB tried cutting him in half he would have gone for big yardage and Orton wouldn't have had to throw

RhymesayersDU
09-25-2011, 01:56 PM
You sir are a complete weirdo. Have fun with that.

I like that the replies get shorter and shorter each time.

Rohirrim
09-25-2011, 01:56 PM
This changes Orton's chokejob how?

Choke? I didn't see a choke. Now, Cutler in the playoffs last year... that's a chokejob.

Requiem
09-25-2011, 01:57 PM
I like that the replies get shorter and shorter each time.

Hopefully they will go away forever. :thumbsup:

Gort
09-25-2011, 01:57 PM
You sir are a complete weirdo. Have fun with that.

i'm reminding of the scene from Life of Brian where the People's Front of Judea and the Judean People's Front each meet each other in the catacombs beneath Pilate's palace.

Brian: "Brothers, stop! we should be struggling together."
Others: "We are struggling together!"

RhymesayersDU
09-25-2011, 01:58 PM
Hopefully they will go away forever. :thumbsup:

LOL

TonyR
09-25-2011, 01:58 PM
I was merely providing information

Okay, I thought you were criticizing who Tennessee had played against. Baltimore is pretty good, they've already put up 21 points in the 1st Qtr. today. Tennessee completely shut them down.

DivineBronco
09-25-2011, 01:59 PM
Hopefully they will go away forever. :thumbsup:

this is the part where he vanishes and or blocks all who oppose his awesomeness

Hamrob
09-25-2011, 01:59 PM
Apparently McGahee could run for negative yards and be an upgrade over Moreno to these people.You mean tiny dancer? If he could ever stay on his feet and the field for that matter and actually show some burst through the hole, I'd get off of his back. But, we keep giving him chances and he keeps disapointing. He should be a 3rd down back....he was a terrible draft pick.

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 01:59 PM
Choke? I didn't see a choke. Now, Cutler in the playoffs last year... that's a chokejob.

Oh that's right, it's not a QB's fault when he throws a ball too low right over the head of a defender after locking onto his intended receiver. I forgot.

WolfpackGuy
09-25-2011, 02:00 PM
Moreno wouldn't last 25 carries, so yeah, it's an improvement.

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 02:00 PM
You mean tiny dancer? If he could ever stay on his feet and the field for that matter and actually show some burst through the hole, I'd get off of his back. But, we keep giving him chances and he keeps disapointing. He should be a 3rd down back....he was a terrible draft pick.

And McGahee is an improvement how?

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 02:01 PM
Moreno wouldn't last 25 carries, so yeah, it's an improvement.

22 carries for 52 yards doesn't look like an improvement to me. Just looks like another mediocre back struggling behind piss poor run blocking to me.

Rohirrim
09-25-2011, 02:01 PM
Oh that's right, it's not a QB's fault when he throws a ball too low right over the head of a defender after locking onto his intended receiver. I forgot.

Walton let Jones go up high. OLine blocking 101: If the defender tries to jump in the air, punch him in the gut. Anyway, that's not a choke. It's a blocked pass.

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 02:03 PM
Walton let Jones go up high. OLine blocking 101: If the defender tries to jump in the air, punch him in the gut.

Seriously? The guy didn't even jump or fully extend his arm. Go rewatch the play. The ball was probably only seven feet off the ground.

Hamrob
09-25-2011, 02:09 PM
And McGahee is an improvement how?Maybe not much of one...but at least he goes forward and can wear down a defense. Moreno goes hits a 10yd run and then has 2 runs for losses. He's not wearing anyone down.

Rohirrim
09-25-2011, 02:10 PM
Seriously? The guy didn't even jump or fully extend his arm. Go rewatch the play. The ball was probably only seven feet off the ground.

To me, a blocked pass is what they call in golf, the rub of the green. Sometimes you hit a good shot and it ends up in a divot. That's the breaks.

Cpntrips
09-25-2011, 02:12 PM
It's all good I ignore the dumbass anyway

I just don't think one player is going to make a huge difference like most do see if Decker makes his block on McGahee's run where the DB tried cutting him in half he would have gone for big yardage and Orton wouldn't have had to throw

Why do you continue to use the "I just don't think one player is going to make a huge difference" defense? That is a straw man argument used to distort the real arguments people have for starting Tebow. I can't recall very many, if any posters claiming Tebow is going to make the team outstanding and take us to the Super Bowl. I, like most fans, think Tebow will play better in certain situations and worse in others. I certainly don't think they can be any worse than they are now on offense. We are absolutely horrid on offense and painful to watch.

The vast majority of fans wanting Tebow do so because we realize we are not going to be very good and need to fill a lot of holes. We've seen that Orton is CLEARLY not the answer and we want to see what we have in Tebow since the team invested a first round pick in the kid. If Tebow completely sucks we can position ourselves to draft a QB next year.

NO ONE wants Orton back. Give me ONE reason to continue to play Orton.

hambone13
09-25-2011, 02:13 PM
To me, a blocked pass is what they call in golf, the rub of the green. Sometimes you hit a good shot and it ends up in a divot. That's the breaks.

What you fail to respond to is that he had 4 batted down passes and then lost an opportunity to win the game by doing exactly that. What's so hard to understand about that? It was a mistake and a critical one. All during a game that the OL played really well in. There's no excuse for either of his TO's. If that was the first or even 2nd tipped pass, I would agree with you.

troya900
09-25-2011, 02:13 PM
Someone please answer my above question

Fox is a stubborn moron, that's all there is to it.

waz06
09-25-2011, 02:13 PM
Where do I sign up to donate money for the Tebow billboards?

Kyle mother*****ng best chance to win Orton has to go, NOW !!!!

Rohirrim
09-25-2011, 02:14 PM
What you fail to respond to is that he had 4 batted down passes and then lost an opportunity to win the game by doing exactly that. What's so hard to understand about that? It was a mistake and a critical one.

Tennessee shut down the Ravens last week. They're a pretty good D. Orton is missing some of his best players on offense. You make do with what you've got, if you can.

R8R H8R
09-25-2011, 02:15 PM
For our defense to only give up 17 points...is simply amazing. They are without DOOM, Champ, DJW, Thomas etc. Our defense kicked ass this game!

No they didn't. While I agree they played very well considering they are short-handed, they just had too many lapses that made Hasslebeck look like a young Warren Moon.

They were excellent against the run, but too many times had breakdowns in pass coverage. I could make a list, but instead will just point to the fact that while nursing a 4 pt lead, they let Hasslebeck lead their offense 95 yds down the field in just a handful of plays.

I know many of you want to desperately blame the whole game on Orton, but that's not reality, imo. The bottom line is that the defense should not have put Orton in the position to win or tie the game because clearly he isn't good enough to inspire the offense to play over their head which is what we need right now with this talent.

Therefore, I blame them both, the defense for leaving it up to Orton to win the game, and Orton for living down to his reputation.

hambone13
09-25-2011, 02:18 PM
Tennessee shut down the Ravens last week. They're a pretty good D. Orton is missing some of his best players on offense. You make do with what you've got, if you can.

Precisely, and he didn't. This was a totally winnable game given Tennesee's multiple penalties that kept both scoring drives alive. They played a sloppy game and so did Orton.

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 02:24 PM
To me, a blocked pass is what they call in golf, the rub of the green. Sometimes you hit a good shot and it ends up in a divot. That's the breaks.

You clearly have no idea how the passing game works or what a QB's responsibilities are within it. If what you said were true, 6' tall Drew Brees wouldn't be able to play in the NFL because most of his passes would get deflected. But the thing is he knows how to find passing lanes. That play was on Orton. He had good protection. He chose to lock on to his receiver and throw the ball on a very low trajectory. No one else made those decisions for him.

hambone13
09-25-2011, 02:25 PM
No they didn't. While I agree they played very well considering they are short-handed, they just had too many lapses that made Hasslebeck look like a young Warren Moon.

They were excellent against the run, but too many times had breakdowns in pass coverage. I could make a list, but instead will just point to the fact that while nursing a 4 pt lead, they let Hasslebeck lead their offense 95 yds down the field in just a handful of plays.

I know many of you want to desperately blame the whole game on Orton, but that's not reality, imo. The bottom line is that the defense should not have put Orton in the position to win or tie the game because clearly he isn't good enough to inspire the offense to play over their head which is what we need right now with this talent.

Therefore, I blame them both, the defense for leaving it up to Orton to win the game, and Orton for living down to his reputation.

Considering that most of the significant injuries are on the defensive side, I give the D HUGE props. Orton has to be able to win a game when they are giving TO's and low enough scoring to stay in the game. Considering KO had great protection all day, he should have been able to make something happen. But he's proven that is not in his bag of tricks.

Rohirrim
09-25-2011, 02:28 PM
You clearly have no idea how the passing game works or what a QB's responsibilities are within it. If what you said were true, 6' tall Drew Brees wouldn't be able to play in the NFL because most of his passes would get deflected. But the thing is he knows how to find passing lanes. That play was on Orton. He had good protection. He chose to lock on to his receiver and throw the ball on a very low trajectory. No one else made those decisions for him.

I didn't see any lanes on that play. There was a wall in front of him. It looked to me like Orton just had to take what he was given. A lot of his throws look like that. This is a young Oline. They did a much better job this week.

hambone13
09-25-2011, 02:30 PM
I didn't see any lanes on that play. There was a wall in front of him. It looked to me like Orton just had to take what he was given. A lot of his throws look like that. This is a young Oline. They did a much better job this week.

Then he shouldn't have thrown it!

DarkHorse
09-25-2011, 02:35 PM
Maybe not much of one...but at least he goes forward and can wear down a defense. Moreno goes hits a 10yd run and then has 2 runs for losses. He's not wearing anyone down.

When does Moreno get a 10 yard run? I must have missed it - damn, only one of the season he'll have and I freaking missed it.


Besides that - his 2 runs for losses come in the next quarter when he's ready to play again.

DarkHorse
09-25-2011, 02:36 PM
Then he shouldn't have thrown it!

What do you expect him to do? Slide in the pocket and find a lane? Run with it? What options did Orton actually have besides throw another pick, take a sack, throw it at someones feet or throw it right at a big body defender?


You sir are asking too much of a starting QB in this league.

Ugly Duck
09-25-2011, 02:36 PM
Raiders playing Jets even up at the half 17-17

McFadden 121 yards rushing in 1st half

Jano missed 56-yard fg

Simple Jake
09-25-2011, 02:37 PM
This is my first season without having Sunday Ticket :(
Can someone tell me how rahim moore and miller looked today.. pretty please

SonOfLe-loLang
09-25-2011, 02:38 PM
This is my first season without having Sunday Ticket :(
Can someone tell me how rahim moore and miller looked today.. pretty please

Miller looked good. Had a strip sack. Didnt notice much of moore

Archer81
09-25-2011, 02:38 PM
This is my first season without having Sunday Ticket :(
Can someone tell me how rahim moore and miller looked today.. pretty please


Miller got a sack and caused the fumble after we went up 14-10. Moore has impressive range. I cannot remember any standout plays he made but I dont recall him making any mistakes, either.


:Broncos:

DarkHorse
09-25-2011, 02:39 PM
This is my first season without having Sunday Ticket :(
Can someone tell me how rahim moore and miller looked today.. pretty please

No problem.

They lost.

And, they looked better than our veteran QB.

Anything else?

R8R H8R
09-25-2011, 02:39 PM
Fox is a stubborn moron, that's all there is to it.

Well you got half of right anyway. He probably is very stubborn, but then again others would call it old-school. But moron? No one in the league, no one with a shred of credibility, believes Fox is inept or a moron, just you and a bunch of yahoo's that think you know better than a team of coaches that have years of experience and success in this league.

You can second guess two things, imo. The decision to go for it instead of taking the chip shot FG, and not putting in Tebow in the RZ is the other. Yet I understand the reasoning for the non-FG, I just don't agree with it.

However, if you can't see what I think is obvious, I just don't know what to tell you. This team has clearly improved in all phases of the game, except QB(which is a different matter). And the credit for that improvement goes straight to Fox, stubborn and all.

DarkHorse
09-25-2011, 02:40 PM
Well you got half of right anyway. He probably is very stubborn, but then again others would call it old-school. But moron? No one in the league, no one with a shred of credibility, believes Fox is inept or a moron, just you and a bunch of yahoo's that think you know better than a team of coaches that have years of experience and success in this league.

You can second guess two things, imo. The decision to go for it instead of taking the chip shot FG, and not putting in Tebow in the RZ is the other. Yet I understand the reasoning for the non-FG, I just don't agree with it.

However, if you can't see what I think is obvious, I just don't know what to tell you. This team has clearly improved in all phases of the game, except QB(which is a different matter). And the credit for that improvement goes straight to Fox, stubborn and all.

John is there any truth to the Tebow escalators/non playing time?

Thanks - give the guys a good pep talk this week. Ass raping to come.

Simple Jake
09-25-2011, 02:42 PM
No problem.

They lost.

And, they looked better than our veteran QB.

Anything else?

No that's enough thanks

Simple Jake
09-25-2011, 02:46 PM
Miller got a sack and caused the fumble after we went up 14-10. Moore has impressive range. I cannot remember any standout plays he made but I dont recall him making any mistakes, either.


:Broncos:

Thanks man

R8R H8R
09-25-2011, 02:52 PM
John is there any truth to the Tebow escalators/non playing time?

Thanks - give the guys a good pep talk this week. Ass raping to come.

Thank you for the thoughtful and insightful response. The way you completely missed the entire point of the post and instead went straight to attack mode is clearly brilliant. :welcome:

troya900
09-25-2011, 02:53 PM
This changes Orton's chokejob how?

It's kind of funny isn't it? Yet when Tebow was "competing" for the QB job in preseason he had to play with the horrible 2nd/3rd stringers and an offensive line that was like a sieve, worse than anything AbOrton sees now, and yet they lambasted Tebow and give AbOrton a pass for his horrible play.

Ugly Duck
09-25-2011, 02:54 PM
Jarvis Moss sacks Sanchez for 10 yards, Raider's ball, 17-17

DarkHorse
09-25-2011, 02:55 PM
Thank you for the thoughtful and insightful response. The way you completely missed the entire point of the post and instead went straight to attack mode is clearly brilliant. :welcome:

Attack mode? That's your idea of attack mode really?

Now I understand some of the Orton is efficient talk I guess.


Attack mode LOL

KipCorrington25
09-25-2011, 02:57 PM
Everybody should also keep in mind that Lloyd was not 100% and the Broncos did not have Champ Bailey, Elvis Dumervil, Knowshon Moreno, D.J. Williams, Marcus Thomas, Ty Warren or Demaryius Thomas.

Yep, we're the only team in the league with any injuries! :-*

Ugly Duck
09-25-2011, 02:58 PM
Campbell goes back to pass, falls down. Punt.

Jarvis Moss blocks the pass - that guy is good!

Raider's ball...

R8R H8R
09-25-2011, 03:13 PM
Attack mode? That's your idea of attack mode really?


I stand by my reply. You have added exactly zero to the post, and instead relied on a smart ass response that had nothing(!) to do with the original post. BTW, you still haven't added anything coherent to this discussion.




Now I understand some of the Orton is efficient talk I guess.

I'm glad you understand it, but what the hell does this have to do with the cost of tea on China?

DarkHorse
09-25-2011, 03:17 PM
I stand by my reply. You have added exactly zero to the post, and instead relied on a smart ass response that had nothing(!) to do with the original post. BTW, you still haven't added anything coherent to this discussion.






I'm glad you understand it, but what the hell does this have to do with the cost of tea on China?

Darn, I tried.

Doesn't matter what tea costs - what's it doing on China? Orton can't afford it anyway.

Hope that doesn't add to the rambling confusion for ya.

R8R H8R
09-25-2011, 03:39 PM
Darn, I tried.

Doesn't matter what tea costs - what's it doing on China? Orton can't afford it anyway.

Hope that doesn't add to the rambling confusion for ya.

Far be it for me to help you out, but please don't drive tonight and get a bowl of menudo tomorrow. It'll do wonders for your headache in the morning.

DarkHorse
09-25-2011, 03:41 PM
Far be it for me to help you out, but please don't drive tonight and get a bowl of menudo tomorrow. It'll do wonders for your headache in the morning.

LOL - nice!

DrFate
09-25-2011, 03:42 PM
Miller looked good. Had a strip sack. Didnt notice much of moore

Anybody notice if Ayers did anything?

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 03:43 PM
Anybody notice if Ayers did anything?

He was part of the front seven that owned Chris Johnson's face so I'm going to guess he wasn't too bad. No standout plays that I saw though, but I missed the start of the game.

R8R H8R
09-25-2011, 03:44 PM
LOL - nice!

Thanks! I guess we can agree with that. ^5

With that being said, I'm overdue for a beer myself. Chow.

Broncos4tw
09-25-2011, 03:45 PM
I don't know why people are complaining about our D. 17 points against a home team that just beat the Ravens? I'll take 17 points EVERY week, thank you. If we can't muster more than 17, we are not going to win many games regardless. A QB spewing a zillion yards, as we well know from Orton, means nothing. Yards =/= Winning

Ugly Duck
09-25-2011, 03:47 PM
Raiders up 31-17 on Jets

Raiders ball....

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 03:49 PM
I don't know why people are complaining about our D. 17 points against a home team that just beat the Ravens? I'll take 17 points EVERY week, thank you. If we can't muster more than 17, we are not going to win many games regardless. A QB spewing a zillion yards, as we well know from Orton, means nothing. Yards =/= Winning

Orton isn't even putting up the yards anymore...

Simple Jake
09-25-2011, 03:50 PM
Wonder if we'll get any interceptions this season.. we've gotta be the only team in the league without any

DarkHorse
09-25-2011, 03:52 PM
Thanks! I guess we can agree with that. ^5

With that being said, I'm overdue for a beer myself. Chow.

Enjoy - be careful out there ^5



Ayers recovered a fumble didn't he? I heard his name being called on that Miller strip/fumble.

Dagmar
09-25-2011, 03:52 PM
Anybody notice if Ayers did anything?

Ayers was very impressive again. He is having an excellent season.

HooptyHoops
09-25-2011, 04:37 PM
Jarvis Moss sacks Sanchez for 10 yards, Raider's ball, 17-17

Yep, I saw Moss make the right lead and get the sack....kinda weird, as Moss sucks!

lonestar
09-25-2011, 04:41 PM
And yet...there are people who defend him...actually want him as our QB. Simply amazing to me.

When those folks are the GM VPO and HC what does it matter what the fans want.

Just because some folks understand that it is not our decision to make and state HR will be a starter until The FO decides he is not.

I did not get to see the game today so I can't comment on his play. But I do know that this team has way more pressing probable than who the starting QB is.

OABB
09-25-2011, 04:48 PM
When those folks are the GM VPO and HC what does it matter what the fans want.

Just because some folks understand that it is not our decision to make and state HR will be a starter until The FO decides he is not.

I did not get to see the game today so I can't comment on his play. But I do know that this team has way more pressing probable than who the starting QB is.

yeah. who the starting qb isnt.

orangenblue
09-25-2011, 04:48 PM
They fired shanny because his shiat grew tired and no longer worked in Denver.

Don't be stupid. Fox's sh _it never worked anywhere and neither did McDaniels. He was never even a head coach. Orton couldn't carry Cutler's jock strap.

Ugly Duck
09-25-2011, 04:50 PM
Oakland Raiders.... the Class of the AFC West!

http://elusiveapps.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/stay_classy1.gif

strafen
09-25-2011, 09:18 PM
Ayers was very impressive again. He is having an excellent season.Hilarious!

Dedhed
09-25-2011, 09:28 PM
Don't be stupid. Fox's sh _it never worked anywhere and neither did McDaniels. He was never even a head coach. Orton couldn't carry Cutler's jock strap.

All true, but none of that changes the fact that Shanny's wasn't working anymore in Denver.