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DB-Freak
09-22-2011, 12:10 AM
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/09/21/re-focused-bengals-broncos-week-2/

Miller Ö Heavy?

I wrote about Von Miller (+4.5) last week, and if I continue writing about the Broncos, I may be forced to write about him every week. Itís not just the impact plays like the forced fumble he caused last week, or the sack that he recorded this week that makes Miller such a special player. What makes Miller so intriguing is that he has avoided all the rookie mistakes that weíve come to expect from early round linebackers like Aaron Curry and Sean Weatherspoon. For example, take what he would do to tight ends when left one on one (he bull rushed Colin Cochart to redirect a run with 3:57 left in the first quarter). That was symptomatic of the every down impact Miller has, even when his name isnít appearing on the stat sheet. That he can supplement that consistent performance with highlight reel plays like the tackle for no gain he picked up by going around Andrew Whitworth with 4:51 left in the game, is why heís already shown himself to be a very special talent.

Von Miller, OLB, Denver Broncos

The rookie linebacker isnít just one to watch for the future. Heís one to watch now.

TDmvp
09-22-2011, 12:20 AM
They actually compared him and some of the things he can do on the field to Lawrence Taylor on nfl network last week.

He looks great and can't imagine anything but big things from Von.

BroncoBuff
09-22-2011, 12:38 AM
Hence, the Von-O-Meter.

BroncoMan4ever
09-22-2011, 12:55 AM
i love all the hype this guy is getting. but i worry that with a younger guy all this hype might go to his head. he seems like a well grounded dude but sometimes the spotlight can be too much for some to handle

plus it is week 3 right now.

broncocalijohn
09-22-2011, 01:00 AM
With a hopefully healthy Doom, he has come to 2011 with a much better Linebacker from anything we had in 2009. These two should be having big plays every week. The supporting cast of 5 is what worries everyone.

mkporter
09-22-2011, 01:15 AM
I rewatched the Raiders and Bengals games focusing on Von, and PFF is dead on with their analysis. There are a lot of plays that Von disrupts by clearing out lead blockers, getting penetration or forcing his man into the backfield that are invisible on the stat sheet. I haven't been this excited about a defensive player since Champ had one of the best seasons ever for a CB in 2006.

Houshyamama
09-22-2011, 01:43 AM
He gets a good pressure near the end of this analysis:

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/MdUIYQsYMzA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

ZONA
09-22-2011, 03:25 AM
I have to be honest, during the predraft months, as this guy kept creeping up higher and higher, I was like, what? All the early talk was about guys like Patrick Peterson, Nick Fairley, A.J. Green and Marcel Dareus. I was hoping the Broncos wouldn't buy into this having a LB rush the passer stuff and really wanted either Fairley or Dareus. I even thought about having Peterson on the other side of Champ. But now I can totally see why this guy just rocketed up the boards and was the late sexy pick. He could end up being the best defensive player drafted in the past 5 years or so, along with Suh.

fontaine
09-22-2011, 06:19 AM
Werewolf

Powderaddict
09-22-2011, 06:22 AM
Ayers had a very good game against the Bengals. Once Doom comes back, those three could really cause problems for the opposing offenses. If we can get a DT that is good at collapsing the pocket the pass rush would just be devastating!

Miller can do so much and is so fast he is going to be the cornerstone for this defense for years to come. I love watching him.

TheReverend
09-22-2011, 06:39 AM
His second half last week was just dominant.

jhns
09-22-2011, 07:04 AM
Yes he is! This was a great pick.

strafen
09-22-2011, 07:05 AM
He's the real deal...

vonqkilla
09-22-2011, 07:19 AM
Bust! I dont see it. Why anyone thinks he's special, I dont see it.

Ray Finkle
09-22-2011, 07:30 AM
Can we thank McD for screwing the team up so royally so Denver could draft Miller?

jhns
09-22-2011, 07:32 AM
Can we thank McD for screwing the team up so royally so Denver could draft Miller?

McFan.

Br0nc0Buster
09-22-2011, 07:47 AM
Can we thank McD for screwing the team up so royally so Denver could draft Miller?

not yet
maybe if Tebow and Bay Bay turn out we can possibly view his tenure as a blessing in disguise, but that still might be pushing it

Play2win
09-22-2011, 07:47 AM
Werewolf

Lycan...

Br0nc0Buster
09-22-2011, 07:50 AM
I have to be honest, during the predraft months, as this guy kept creeping up higher and higher, I was like, what? All the early talk was about guys like Patrick Peterson, Nick Fairley, A.J. Green and Marcel Dareus. I was hoping the Broncos wouldn't buy into this having a LB rush the passer stuff and really wanted either Fairley or Dareus. I even thought about having Peterson on the other side of Champ. But now I can totally see why this guy just rocketed up the boards and was the late sexy pick. He could end up being the best defensive player drafted in the past 5 years or so, along with Suh.

I never understand the hype guys get when they all of a sudden start climbing up draft boards weeks before the draft

Miller was always a top prospect, and based on what Xanders and Elway said he was always their top choice

It wasnt like all of a sudden their was a shift from Dareus of Fairley like ESPN makes it sound like

Hopefully he can have a Suh like impact for us

bfoflcommish
09-22-2011, 07:56 AM
Bust! I dont see it. Why anyone thinks he's special, I dont see it.

At least we know how to read into your other opinions now too.

Ray Finkle
09-22-2011, 08:06 AM
not yet
maybe if Tebow and Bay Bay turn out we can possibly view his tenure as a blessing in disguise, but that still might be pushing it

party pooper....

vonqkilla
09-22-2011, 08:14 AM
At least we know how to read into your other opinions now too.

Gonna get my 58 autographed soon.

RhymesayersDU
09-22-2011, 08:58 AM
But, but, but, some dude on a message board broke down his plays and said he sucked!!!!1111

Rohirrim
09-22-2011, 09:01 AM
I'm very high on Von. I think he will become a keystone player for this franchise, Al Wilson style.

vonqkilla
09-22-2011, 09:29 AM
I'm very high on Von. I think he will become a keystone player for this franchise, Al Wilson style.

Im thinking more like a hybrid of mobley/fletcher with better numbers. Al Wilsons leadership was top notch, if Von can fill that role too, all the better.

Peoples Champ
09-22-2011, 09:38 AM
With a hopefully healthy Doom, he has come to 2011 with a much better Linebacker from anything we had in 2009. These two should be having big plays every week. The supporting cast of 5 is what worries everyone.


I cant wait for a healthy doom, when will this be?

maher_tyler
09-22-2011, 09:54 AM
I cant wait for a healthy doom, when will this be?

According to the injury report thread, he practiced yesterday.

epicSocialism4tw
09-22-2011, 09:56 AM
I never understand the hype guys get when they all of a sudden start climbing up draft boards weeks before the draft

Miller was always a top prospect, and based on what Xanders and Elway said he was always their top choice

It wasnt like all of a sudden their was a shift from Dareus of Fairley like ESPN makes it sound like

Hopefully he can have a Suh like impact for us

You're correct.

Anyone who saw Von play at A&M knew that he wasn't some late comer.

He was very good throughout his whole career there.

Just because ESPiN and all the wannabe's didn't know about him doesn't mean he didn't exist.

gyldenlove
09-22-2011, 10:02 AM
You're correct.

Anyone who saw Von play at A&M knew that he wasn't some late comer.

He was very good throughout his whole career there.

Just because ESPiN and all the wannabe's didn't know about him doesn't mean he didn't exist.

The one thing with linebackers is they depend so much on their Combine workouts, guys who run a 4.8 or 4.9 just do not get drafted high. Once Miller went to the combine and dominated that **** there was never a question of him not being a top 5 pick - guys who can rush like he can, can run a sub 4.5 weigh nearly 250 lbs and have a 10'6 broad are going to come off the board early.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-22-2011, 10:07 AM
i love all the hype this guy is getting. but i worry that with a younger guy all this hype might go to his head. he seems like a well grounded dude but sometimes the spotlight can be too much for some to handle

plus it is week 3 right now.

I must have missed his Rolling Stone cover.

epicSocialism4tw
09-22-2011, 10:10 AM
The one thing with linebackers is they depend so much on their Combine workouts, guys who run a 4.8 or 4.9 just do not get drafted high. Once Miller went to the combine and dominated that **** there was never a question of him not being a top 5 pick - guys who can rush like he can, can run a sub 4.5 weigh nearly 250 lbs and have a 10'6 broad are going to come off the board early.

Those athletic traits have been evident throughout Von's career.

He was on the field as soon as they could get him there and he has always been a playmaker and a team leader.

He had star written all over him from day one.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-22-2011, 10:17 AM
Those athletic traits have been evident throughout Von's career.

He was on the field as soon as they could get him there and he has always been a playmaker and a team leader.

He had star written all over him from day one.

Agreed, i think the only reason he wasnt considered a top 5 pick at the start of draft season was the fact that his injury "hurt" his play a bit last season. I put hurt in quotes because he still produced, it was just down from his astronomical 17 sacks from the year before.

He's a stud. Never a doubt in my mind he wouldnt be. It doesn't take a football genius to know that when a guy beats an offensive tackle with so much speed that the tackle doesn't even TOUCH him, he's probably a special player.

ton80
09-22-2011, 10:35 AM
I'm very high on Von. I think he will become a keystone player for this franchise, Al Wilson style.

I'm hoping Miller turns out to be considerably better than Wilson. Wilson was nothing special. Good player, but not special.

gyldenlove
09-22-2011, 10:40 AM
Those athletic traits have been evident throughout Von's career.

He was on the field as soon as they could get him there and he has always been a playmaker and a team leader.

He had star written all over him from day one.

It is tricky with linebackers, if you saw Floridas games nobody would have guessed that Spikes would be as slow as he was, the same for Sergio Kindle - both looked atheltic on the field but failed to show it at workouts. Miller had one of the greatest linebacker workouts ever, one par with guys like Demarcus Ware, Patrick Willis and Aaron Curry in terms of his explosivity and speed.

epicSocialism4tw
09-22-2011, 10:53 AM
I'm hoping Miller turns out to be considerably better than Wilson. Wilson was nothing special. Good player, but not special.

Sacrilege.

Wilson was a run-stuffing monster.

You put Al Wilson on this defense and it improves so dramatically that teams would fear it.

McDman
09-22-2011, 10:54 AM
I'm hoping Miller turns out to be considerably better than Wilson. Wilson was nothing special. Good player, but not special.

Al Wilson was a good player but he was a true vocal leader, someone who would jack a guy up and let it be heard trying to pump the defense up.

That is something we missed dearly for a long time.

McDman
09-22-2011, 10:57 AM
Btw, I can't find any Al Wilson highlights. I'd love to see some but youtube does not have any.

epicSocialism4tw
09-22-2011, 11:31 AM
Btw, I can't find any Al Wilson highlights. I'd love to see some but youtube does not have any.

These days if a player doesn't have youtube highlights, then he wasnt any good.

jhns
09-22-2011, 11:37 AM
I'm hoping Miller turns out to be considerably better than Wilson. Wilson was nothing special. Good player, but not special.

What? Shanahan consistently had top ten defenses until..... you guessed it... Wilson got injured. Then we had some of the worst defenses in franchise history. To say he wasn't special is a joke.

UberBroncoMan
09-22-2011, 11:41 AM
Sacrilege.

Wilson was a run-stuffing monster.

You put Al Wilson on this defense and it improves so dramatically that teams would fear it.

I forgot what our defensive stats were before and after he was gone. I just remember the second we lost him it all went to ****.

Dedhed
09-22-2011, 11:47 AM
I never understand the hype guys get when they all of a sudden start climbing up draft boards weeks before the draft

Miller was always a top prospect, and based on what Xanders and Elway said he was always their top choice

It wasnt like all of a sudden their was a shift from Dareus of Fairley like ESPN makes it sound like

Hopefully he can have a Suh like impact for us

Predraft movement is more of a media phenomenon than anything. Analysts like Kiper and some others are pretty clueless when is comes to analysis, so their draft boards are a pitiful representation of real value.

As the draft nears the desperately try to rearrange their boards because of the inside information they get, not because the player is actually being viewed differently by teams.

epicSocialism4tw
09-22-2011, 11:48 AM
I forgot what our defensive stats were before and after he was gone. I just remember the second we lost him it all went to ****.

We actually had a good run defense with Al.

NY wanted to trade us Justin Tuck for the shell of Al Wilson, but Al's neck wouldn't pass a physical.

epicSocialism4tw
09-22-2011, 11:49 AM
Predraft movement is more of a media phenomenon than anything. Analysts like Kiper and some others are pretty clueless when is comes to analysis, so their draft boards are a pitiful representation of real value.

As the draft nears the desperately try to rearrange their boards because of the inside information they get, not because the player is actually being viewed differently by teams.

Its always funny to watch their surprise when a player slips or is drafted earlier than they expect.

And then most of them are so arrogant that they try to explain it away or criticize the move instead of just admitting that they are just guessing with many of the picks.

Dedhed
09-22-2011, 12:03 PM
And then most of them are so arrogant that they try to explain it away or criticize the move instead of just admitting that they are just guessing with many of the picks.Which explains the current attitude of the media towards Tebow. Most pundits didn't have him going in the first round, so they're begging that he fails so they can play the "I told you so" card.

Durango
09-22-2011, 12:05 PM
I'm hoping Miller turns out to be considerably better than Wilson. Wilson was nothing special. Good player, but not special.

What?? Jesus kiddo, Are you 12? Wilson was the best ILB for the Broncos since Gradishar. He was very special and the defense was never the same after he left.

Dedhed
09-22-2011, 12:07 PM
What?? Jesus kiddo, Are you 12? Wilson was the best ILB for the Broncos since Gradishar. He was very special and the defense was never the same after he left.

Yup. Wilson single handedly made the Denver defense legitimate for a decade.

Peoples Champ
09-22-2011, 12:10 PM
Yup. Wilson single handedly made the Denver defense legitimate for a decade.


Ya Al Wilson was the man, it was between him and champ on what jersey I bought. I went with champ because he was gonna play longer.

epicSocialism4tw
09-22-2011, 12:15 PM
Which explains the current attitude of the media towards Tebow. Most pundits didn't have him going in the first round, so they're begging that he fails so they can play the "I told you so" card.

Who was the Cal DT who got drafted like 10-15 spots earlier than they expected? Alualu? He went on to be a productive player with the Jaguars immediately, and I believe he started every game in his rookie season.

I remember that Kiper looked like someone spit in his coffee after that pick because it wrecked his entire board.

Powderaddict
09-22-2011, 12:23 PM
I'm hoping Miller turns out to be considerably better than Wilson. Wilson was nothing special. Good player, but not special.

Al Wilson was big, strong and smart.

He was a leader, and the heart and soul of Denver's defense for years. Just look how the defense faired after his injury, we've never been the same.

hookemhess
09-22-2011, 12:46 PM
He gets a good pressure near the end of this analysis:

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/MdUIYQsYMzA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

That's awesome analysis. Looking forward to seeing that guy's updates through the season.

vonqkilla
09-22-2011, 12:59 PM
Thank you everyone for the Al Wilson knowledge drop. I have plenty of gifs of him smashing at the goalline on heap, wheatley, etc..

Guy is a ring of famer!!!

Inkana7
09-22-2011, 01:17 PM
Sacrilege.

Wilson was a run-stuffing monster.

You put Al Wilson on this defense and it improves so dramatically that teams would fear it.

Cue clip of Wilson covering Randy Moss downfield.

Al Wilson was amazing.

lonestar
09-22-2011, 01:17 PM
I'm hoping Miller turns out to be considerably better than Wilson. Wilson was nothing special. Good player, but not special.

Actually until his hands/fingers were repeatedly bken in his later years he was a special MLB. Not quite a ray Lewis guy but very solid.

Once he was playing with club wrapped hand he started to hit and not wrap up the tackle. Which then lead to the neck injuries.

IMHO he was liability on defense those last couple of years other than his leadership and play calling.

55CrushEm
09-22-2011, 01:19 PM
Thank you everyone for the Al Wilson knowledge drop. I have plenty of gifs of him smashing at the goalline on heap, wheatley, etc..

Guy is a ring of famer!!!

Oh, man.....that hit on Wheatley in the snow gave me chills!! PLEASE POST THAT ONE!!!!!!

lonestar
09-22-2011, 01:25 PM
Yup. Wilson single handedly made the Denver defense legitimate for a decade.

Well there were others on those teams like Atwater pryce and IIRC a couple of years with heyward and champ.

Plus The offense was pretty potent forcing the opponents into one dimensional games.


While Al was a damned fine MLB he did not single handedly make the D what it was.

jhns
09-22-2011, 01:58 PM
Well there were others on those teams like Atwater pryce and IIRC a couple of years with heyward and champ.

Plus The offense was pretty potent forcing the opponents into one dimensional games.


While Al was a damned fine MLB he did not single handedly make the D what it was.

^ Clearly didn't watch in the Wilson(or SB) years.

ozomulsion
09-22-2011, 02:02 PM
Well there were others on those teams like Atwater pryce and IIRC a couple of years with heyward and champ.

Plus The offense was pretty potent forcing the opponents into one dimensional games.


While Al was a damned fine MLB he did not single handedly make the D what it was.

Pryce was so awesome before he quit on us. Neil Smith had a few nice years with us when we were really good. Romo!!! I always wonder what kind of career Mobley would've turned out if not for the injury.

broncocalijohn
09-22-2011, 02:05 PM
Oh, man.....that hit on Wheatley in the snow gave me chills!! PLEASE POST THAT ONE!!!!!!

If that is the one from the Claw trying to catch a beach ball instead of a football, that is one of the best hits in Broncos history. Too bad we lost that game as I had about a 28 game winning streak flying to games.

TheReverend
09-22-2011, 02:07 PM
Oh, man.....that hit on Wheatley in the snow gave me chills!! PLEASE POST THAT ONE!!!!!!

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a309/sbutk/4th_and_1_Tyrone_Wheatley_meet_Al_W.gif

broncocalijohn
09-22-2011, 02:09 PM
These days if a player doesn't have youtube highlights, then he wasnt any good.

Or to the young fans, he didn't exist. For TOn80 to say Wilson was nothing special speaks of someone who was too young or drunk to remember. I don't think we have had someone that good since then. Von Miller can be that player and better. I heard his coach on radio today stating losing Von Miller is someone you won't see for 10 to 15 years on your team. Pretty big statement for a good program that he came from.

bowtown
09-22-2011, 02:33 PM
While Al was a damned fine MLB he did not single handedly make the D what it was.

False. Go back and watch what happens to our defense from the beginning to then end of 2006, and then tell me what was different.

McDman
09-22-2011, 02:33 PM
Or to the young fans, he didn't exist. For TOn80 to say Wilson was nothing special speaks of someone who was too young or drunk to remember. I don't think we have had someone that good since then. Von Miller can be that player and better. I heard his coach on radio today stating losing Von Miller is someone you won't see for 10 to 15 years on your team. Pretty big statement for a good program that he came from.

I think Miller has the physical skills to be better than Wilson but what made Al so special was his intensity, motivation, and leadership. Hopefully Miller can bring those skills to the table as well.

bowtown
09-22-2011, 02:34 PM
I'm hoping Miller turns out to be considerably better than Wilson. Wilson was nothing special. Good player, but not special.

Rot in hell.

vonqkilla
09-22-2011, 02:34 PM
Al Wilson is a RING OF FAMER!!!

Not yet but will be. Smashing Heap and Wheatley at the goalline.

schaaf
09-22-2011, 02:45 PM
Pryce was so awesome before he quit on us. Neil Smith had a few nice years with us when we were really good. Romo!!! I always wonder what kind of career Mobley would've turned out if not for the injury.

I agree, IMO mobley wasn't even in his prime yet

vancejohnson82
09-22-2011, 02:52 PM
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a309/sbutk/4th_and_1_Tyrone_Wheatley_meet_Al_W.gif

rod smith TD in that game before halftime

and then, a collapse

epicSocialism4tw
09-22-2011, 03:04 PM
what made Al so special was his intensity, motivation, and leadership.

Also his instincts, commitment, and toughness. He was a middle linebacker's middle linebacker.

Talk about an underrated player.

If he would have been playing in NY, Pittsburgh, Dallas, etc, he'd be having hall of fame talk.

outdoor_miner
09-22-2011, 04:06 PM
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a309/sbutk/4th_and_1_Tyrone_Wheatley_meet_Al_W.gif

My favorite Bronco defender of all time. Awesome hit. I miss him.

Eldorado
09-22-2011, 04:11 PM
False. Go back and watch what happens to our defense from the beginning to then end of 2006, and then tell me what was different.

C. Brown when down at about the same time.

TheReverend
09-22-2011, 04:20 PM
C. Brown when down at about the same time.

Courtney went down in camp before 06.

WABronco
09-22-2011, 04:36 PM
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a309/sbutk/4th_and_1_Tyrone_Wheatley_meet_Al_W.gif

/remembers watching that and ****ting pants

/thinks about the present...****s pants...cries

vonqkilla
09-22-2011, 04:46 PM
/remembers watching that and ****ting pants

/thinks about the present...****s pants...cries

Im stoked about our future. Dennis Allen is doing good work w crap dl! 3 year plan.

hambone13
09-22-2011, 04:49 PM
I'm hoping Miller turns out to be considerably better than Wilson. Wilson was nothing special. Good player, but not special.

Hilarious!ROFL! You sir are special.

razorwire77
09-22-2011, 04:53 PM
I'm hoping Miller turns out to be considerably better than Wilson. Wilson was nothing special. Good player, but not special.

Eat anus and die.

24champ
09-22-2011, 05:25 PM
Von Miller is special, almost certain he will be a sack machine in this league but this defense needs to be nasty. We've missed it since Romo left the team. Hope we draft Vontaze in the upcoming draft. I love how he just destroys his opponents and gets in their face after the fact.

http://realtalkthemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Picture-21-300x167.png


http://downloads.thedaily.com/ui-images/2011/08/13/081411-sports-college-football-arizonast-ss-662w.jpg

TheReverend
09-22-2011, 05:32 PM
^ He's playing a LOT smarter too :)

WABronco
09-22-2011, 05:46 PM
Von Miller is special, almost certain he will be a sack machine in this league but this defense needs to be nasty. We've missed it since Romo left the team. Hope we draft Vontaze in the upcoming draft. I love how he just destroys his opponents and gets in their face after the fact.

http://realtalkthemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Picture-21-300x167.png


http://downloads.thedaily.com/ui-images/2011/08/13/081411-sports-college-football-arizonast-ss-662w.jpg

Hells ya.

McDman
09-22-2011, 05:52 PM
Anyone know where games or highlights of Al can be found?

24champ
09-22-2011, 05:57 PM
^ He's playing a LOT smarter too :)

Check out this LA Times piece on him, just came out yesterday. Great read.


http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0922-vontaze-burfict-20110922,0,5238331,full.story

epicSocialism4tw
09-22-2011, 09:39 PM
Von Miller is special, almost certain he will be a sack machine in this league but this defense needs to be nasty. We've missed it since Romo left the team. Hope we draft Vontaze in the upcoming draft. I love how he just destroys his opponents and gets in their face after the fact.

That's a big kid.

I'd be ecstatic if the Broncos were able to select a big, strong, fast, mean son-of-a-gun MLB to grow with Von.

broncocalijohn
09-22-2011, 09:44 PM
Hilarious!ROFL! You sir are special.

Would Ton80 be just special or Punisher special?

broncocalijohn
09-22-2011, 09:52 PM
Check out this LA Times piece on him, just came out yesterday. Great read.


http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-0922-vontaze-burfict-20110922,0,5238331,full.story

Here is a post/comment from someone about him. There is a big negative side to him. Seems to be the 1970s Raiders LB but a 2000s Raiders brain.

West Coast Bear at 8:49 AM September 22, 2011
Of course he's a dirty player, just ask his coach, Dennis Erickson, who benched him last year because of the high number of personal fouls he was picking up - and it was only October! Proving he'd learned nothing from the benching, just one month later against Stanford Burfict's unsportsmanlike conduct (and penalties therefore) cost his team the game (VB's double personal fouls on a single play late in the game gave Stanford a first down at the 7 and they scored the winning TD a couple plays later) and ended ASU's attempt to become bowl-eligible.

VB's a tremendous talent, but he's not too bright and, more troubling for him, doesn't seem to have any desire to improve that facet of his game or his life. If he can develop his brain a bit then the sky's the limit; if he can't, it will forever limit him and perhaps lead to his downfall.

24champ
09-22-2011, 11:31 PM
Here is a post/comment from someone about him. There is a big negative side to him. Seems to be the 1970s Raiders LB but a 2000s Raiders brain.

West Coast Bear at 8:49 AM September 22, 2011
Of course he's a dirty player, just ask his coach, Dennis Erickson, who benched him last year because of the high number of personal fouls he was picking up - and it was only October! Proving he'd learned nothing from the benching, just one month later against Stanford Burfict's unsportsmanlike conduct (and penalties therefore) cost his team the game (VB's double personal fouls on a single play late in the game gave Stanford a first down at the 7 and they scored the winning TD a couple plays later) and ended ASU's attempt to become bowl-eligible.

VB's a tremendous talent, but he's not too bright and, more troubling for him, doesn't seem to have any desire to improve that facet of his game or his life. If he can develop his brain a bit then the sky's the limit; if he can't, it will forever limit him and perhaps lead to his downfall.

I'm not surprised you like that comment since Vontaze has your QB Matt Barkley scared s****less this weekend, crying to the papers about what a big meanie that Vontaze is. Lets also not forget that Vontaze turned down U$C to play for ASU and clearly the U$C Trojanettes are still bitter about it.

I'd love to see Vontaze in a Broncos uni because A) he would stop McFadden in his tracks and B) Make opposing QB's cry prior to the game just like Barkley is doing this this week. He'd be a fan favorite and would be the next Ray Lewis of this generation.

epicSocialism4tw
09-22-2011, 11:34 PM
I'm not surprised you like that comment since Vontaze has your QB Matt Barkley scared s****less this weekend, crying to the papers about what a big meanie that Vontaze is. Lets also not forget that Vontaze turned down U$C to play for ASU and clearly the U$C Trojanettes are still bitter about it.

I'd love to see Vontaze in a Broncos uni because A) he would stop McFadden in his tracks and B) Make opposing QB's cry prior to the game just like Barkley is doing this this week. He'd be a fan favorite and would be the next Ray Lewis of this generation.

As long as he stayed away from murder, I'd be cool with that.

Except that his name is "Vontaze", which has to be one of the worst names ever bestowed upon a child. Its right up there with "Cletus" and "Bartholomeu".

broncocalijohn
09-22-2011, 11:49 PM
I'm not surprised you like that comment since Vontaze has your QB Matt Barkley scared s****less this weekend, crying to the papers about what a big meanie that Vontaze is. Lets also not forget that Vontaze turned down U$C to play for ASU and clearly the U$C Trojanettes are still bitter about it.

I'd love to see Vontaze in a Broncos uni because A) he would stop McFadden in his tracks and B) Make opposing QB's cry prior to the game just like Barkley is doing this this week. He'd be a fan favorite and would be the next Ray Lewis of this generation.

I wasnt speaking as a Trojan fan but as a Broncos fan. My comparison of him seems to be quite on it and the comment I pasted was from a Cal Bears fan from what I see. I don't think the article hides the fact that he is a tad off his rocker when he plays football. Taking out a player based on an illegal hit is something everyone, not only Barkley, should be worried about. BTW, talking trash on a #23 ranked team when they have fewer scholorships and no chance for a bowl game when your Baby Bruins have all scholorships and also no chance for a bowl game. Not because they are on probation like SC but because they are a horrible team. Pretty sad and I expect a whipping done on the Bruins by the Trojans later this season. BTW, the Trojanettes would kick ass all over the Bruins. Hilarious!

rugbythug
09-25-2011, 02:50 PM
Great game today

DB-Freak
10-03-2011, 12:20 AM
Well there's gotta be some positivity around here at times.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/10/01/pff-september-awards/

Rookie of the Month: Von Miller, OLB, Denver Broncos
.
A slam dunk of a pick. Every analyst had him as their top guy. He’s not putting up monster stats, but he’s making play after play after play. One of the best defenders in the league already if his three-game performance is anything to go by.

Others receiving votes: Cam Newton, Phil Taylor, Jabaal Sheard and Karl Klug

AFC Defensive Player of the Month: Von Miller, OLB, Denver Broncos
.
So nice, we voted for him twice. Given the number of guys who received votes you can tell this was a close competition. Ultimately Miller, our top-ranked 4-3 OLB, was so good he had to get it. We’ve seen him play just three games and it’s already getting sickening just how much we can’t avoid praising him.

Others receiving votes: Darrelle Revis, James Harrison, Haloti Ngata, Troy Polamalu and Joe Haden

epicSocialism4tw
10-03-2011, 12:28 AM
Von Miller, with the typical rookie developmental curve over the course of the season, will be an all-pro. Not just a fluff pro-bowler, but the real deal all-pro.

maven
10-03-2011, 12:34 AM
slam dunk pick so far

Baba Booey
10-03-2011, 12:40 AM
Love that guy.

baja
10-03-2011, 09:46 AM
Best thread in weeks.

vonqkilla
10-03-2011, 09:51 AM
Only bright spot on defense to me.

But it's really bright!

McDman
10-03-2011, 11:20 AM
I'm really pumped to see him grow. Him and Elvis are going to make a hell of a team.

Dedhed
10-03-2011, 11:25 AM
Anyone know where games or highlights of Al can be found?

try www.glorydays.com

BroncoBuff
10-03-2011, 12:54 PM
At laaast .... my love has come along!

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Von+Miller+azPch7c_bWbm.jpg

LOOK AT HIM! Kid is born to sack, but he looks like half-an-Urkel.

Dedhed
10-03-2011, 01:04 PM
VB's a tremendous talent, but he's not too bright and, more troubling for him, doesn't seem to have any desire to improve that facet of his game or his life.
That's simply not true. He has made a concerted effort this year to change the way he goes about his business on the field, and in his life.

Rohirrim
10-03-2011, 01:11 PM
Well there's gotta be some positivity around here at times.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/10/01/pff-september-awards/

Rookie of the Month: Von Miller, OLB, Denver Broncos
.
A slam dunk of a pick. Every analyst had him as their top guy. Heís not putting up monster stats, but heís making play after play after play. One of the best defenders in the league already if his three-game performance is anything to go by.

Others receiving votes: Cam Newton, Phil Taylor, Jabaal Sheard and Karl Klug

AFC Defensive Player of the Month: Von Miller, OLB, Denver Broncos
.
So nice, we voted for him twice. Given the number of guys who received votes you can tell this was a close competition. Ultimately Miller, our top-ranked 4-3 OLB, was so good he had to get it. Weíve seen him play just three games and itís already getting sickening just how much we canít avoid praising him.

Others receiving votes: Darrelle Revis, James Harrison, Haloti Ngata, Troy Polamalu and Joe Haden

Damn! That's some nice company to be in. I'm more excited about the Von Miller pick than any pick I can remember for a long time.

ward63
10-03-2011, 01:19 PM
We need to get better up front and somebody that can play MLB. Both passing and running downs. Von looks good though. He was like Mathews and playing everywhere.

WolfpackGuy
10-03-2011, 01:32 PM
They definitely need some big bodies to control the middle.

To have the production he has had so far with the ease QB's are stepping up into the pocket is amazing.

SleepingTiger
10-03-2011, 01:49 PM
I think Von has a very good chance of passing Javon Kearse rookie record of 14.5 sacks.

BroncoDoug
10-03-2011, 01:55 PM
I DVR'd the game and stopped it 3 or 4 times just to show my buddy Von Miller embarrassing the OT... He is ridiculously fast and I can't wait to see him here in Denver for years to come.

TheReverend
10-03-2011, 01:55 PM
That's simply not true. He has made a concerted effort this year to change the way he goes about his business on the field, and in his life.

^ That. It's been a very noticeable shift from his hot-headed, costing his team games campaign last season.

rbackfactory80
10-03-2011, 01:58 PM
Von Miller is the trade piece if the Broncos want Luck and don't pick first. Therefore, don't fall in love with him.

epicSocialism4tw
10-03-2011, 02:15 PM
Von Miller is the trade piece if the Broncos want Luck and don't pick first. Therefore, don't fall in love with him.

Von Miller ain't going anywhere and Luck ain't coming to Denver.

Punisher
10-03-2011, 02:22 PM
VADER!

rbackfactory80
10-03-2011, 02:33 PM
Von Miller ain't going anywhere and Luck ain't coming to Denver.

QB is what this league is about. Von is gone if we have a chance at Luck!

WABronco
10-03-2011, 02:45 PM
QB is what this league is about. Von is gone if we have a chance at Luck!

Solid take!

rbackfactory80
10-03-2011, 02:47 PM
Solid take!


Thanks guy!^5

You guys make me laugh. Elway is gonna sell the farm if he can get luck. Unfortunately we only have one cow that's worth anything.

Luck is the plan, in case you didn't notice.

epicSocialism4tw
10-03-2011, 06:09 PM
QB is what this league is about. Von is gone if we have a chance at Luck!

Do you seriously believe that a team is going to take Von Miller and a pick too far back to select a quarterback anywhere in the league of Andrew Luck instead of staying in place and selecting their QBOTF?

You people are delusional.

Not to mention how immensely stupid Denver would be for trading valuable picks and their best prospect in years to take a player at a position they are 3-deep at.

This team is talent deprived and you nutzos want to gamble away all the chances to add talent on a single player? Insane.

Eldorado
10-03-2011, 06:32 PM
3 deep!! Lol Lol Lol Lol Lol1!!1

epicSocialism4tw
10-03-2011, 06:47 PM
3 deep!! Lol Lol Lol Lol Lol1!!1

Trade teh drft 4 teh QBeeee!!!!11!!

Goodness. Here you have a team with so little talent that it looks like possibly the thinnest, most anemic roster in the league. And you want to trade the best Broncos pick in years (maybe ever) plus everything else for a QB who may or may not work out.

Brilliant.

McDman
10-03-2011, 07:10 PM
I honestly hope we draft all defense and maybe some OL.

Eldorado
10-04-2011, 07:05 AM
Trade teh drft 4 teh QBeeee!!!!11!!

Goodness. Here you have a team with so little talent that it looks like possibly the thinnest, most anemic roster in the league. And you want to trade the best Broncos pick in years (maybe ever) plus everything else for a QB who may or may not work out.

Brilliant.

I didn't say anything about trading anything for anything. I was laughing at the moron who said we were 3 deep at the QB position. Still lulzing!

Rock Chalk
10-04-2011, 07:25 AM
I didn't say anything about trading anything for anything. I was laughing at the moron who said we were 3 deep at the QB position. Still lulzing!

Technically speaking, we are 3 deep at QB.

They just all suck.

Eldorado
10-04-2011, 08:07 AM
Technically speaking, we are 3 deep at QB.

They just all suck.

Ahhh, well...you got me on a technicality.

mile7high7
10-04-2011, 09:58 AM
Von Miller is the trade piece if the Broncos want Luck and don't pick first. Therefore, don't fall in love with him.

Honestly, you will be crushed for thinking that, but its actually a reasonable thought.
With the new rookie contracts, they are more trade-able than before. If the Luck hype train continues, and we got 2 firsts, and practically two seconds for the frown cannon, what do you think it will cost to get Luck?

Remember in 2004 there was similar situation with Eli-and Rivers. The Giants had the #4 pick, and the Chargers had the #1 pick. This could be very similar to our situation with us having a top 5 pick, trying to get to #1. The Giants paid 2 firsts, a third, and a 5th for Eli.

If Luck continues to be thought of as highly as he is, he will likely go for more than Eli did. I wouldnt trade Von for a 1st, 3rd, and 5th (the compensation to equal the Giants offer in addition to the 1st we would be trading up with), but with Luck you probably have to offer more.

To be honest I wouldn't trade Von for two firsts right now, because we all know those firsts can turn into Knowshon and Demarius, etc.

All I know is something Accorsi said after the trade:
"What difference does it make what we gave up?" Accorsi continued. "You better be right about the QB, but if you are, you can't overpay for a great QB and we think he's going to be a great QB. What would you give up for Elway? What would you give for Montana or Unitas? Just like you can't overpay a great player. Can you overpay for Mays or DiMaggio?

There is no more important position than QB, and if Luck goes on to a Manning, Elway, Montana type career, it wont matter what we paid to get him.
Since of course there are no guarantees he does that, I would hate to trade Von (since he has produced, and in just 4 games proven to me he is a player). But I wouldn't hesitate to trade whatever picks we needed to move up and grab Luck.

jhns
10-04-2011, 10:04 AM
Miller will not be traded. He is the best of our young talent.

Sure, it is a QB league. This fact also makes it a pass rushers league...

baja
10-04-2011, 10:22 AM
Miller will not be traded. He is the best of our young talent.

Sure, it is a QB league. This fact also makes it a pass rushers league...

agreed we will not trade Miller.

mile7high7
10-04-2011, 10:32 AM
Miller will not be traded. He is the best of our young talent.

Sure, it is a QB league. This fact also makes it a pass rushers league...

Rodgers or Clay Matthews?

Brady or Dumervil (back when he had 17 sacks)?

Brees or Demarcus Ware?

Pass rusher may be the second most important (that or LT), position, but no position can influence the game as much as having an elite QB.

Agreed we won't trade Miller. Just saying its not a crazy idea. If Luck becomes the next Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Manning, whatever, do you care what we give up?
Obviously the rub here, is a more proven player, like Miller (in his 4 games), for a QB that could bust like other #1 drafted QBs. But if you believe (as Elway may), that you do have the next HOF QB in Luck, does it honestly matter what you trade (within the realms of reasonability, not like every pick for next 10 years)?

If the cost is 3 firsts, but you feel he is the safest, highest upside QB in 10 years, isnt it still worth it?

enjolras
10-04-2011, 10:34 AM
This team is talent deprived and you nutzos want to gamble away all the chances to add talent on a single player? Insane.

To add a talent like Luck? I'd probably take that. How can Green Bay lose 16 starters (or whatever that number was) and win a superbowl? A great QB. Look at the Colts. Always competitive, until the very second they lose their QB. Hell the Broncos where a 6-10 team after Elway left.

If a team like St. Louis or Carolina (ostensibly happy with their QB situation) landed on that first pick, a package including Miller and basically the entire draft might land you Luck. If I was in charge, it's a deal I'd probably make.

jhns
10-04-2011, 10:35 AM
Rodgers or Clay Matthews?

Brady or Dumervil (back when he had 17 sacks)?

Brees or Demarcus Ware?

Pass rusher may be the second most important (that or LT), position, but no position can influence the game as much as having an elite QB.

Agreed we won't trade Miller. Just saying its not a crazy idea. If Luck becomes the next Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Manning, whatever, do you care what we give up?
Obviously the rub here, is a more proven player, like Miller (in his 4 games), for a QB that could bust like other #1 drafted QBs. But if you believe (as Elway may), that you do have the next HOF QB in Luck, does it honestly matter what you trade (within the realms of reasonability, not like every pick for next 10 years)?

If the cost is 3 firsts, but you feel he is the safest, highest upside QB in 10 years, isnt it still worth it?

How about Ware or Leaf?

You don't even make a little bit of sense. Miller is not getting traded.

epicSocialism4tw
10-04-2011, 10:40 AM
To add a talent like Luck? I'd probably take that. How can Green Bay lose 16 starters (or whatever that number was) and win a superbowl? A great QB. Look at the Colts. Always competitive, until the very second they lose their QB. Hell the Broncos where a 6-10 team after Elway left.

If a team like St. Louis or Carolina (ostensibly happy with their QB situation) landed on that first pick, a package including Miller and basically the entire draft might land you Luck. If I was in charge, it's a deal I'd probably make.

Thank goodness you're not in charge.

mile7high7
10-04-2011, 10:48 AM
How about Ware or Leaf?

You don't even make a little bit of sense. Miller is not getting traded.

Re-read. I mentioned numerous times I would not trade Miller, and that we wont. I wouldn't trade Miller straight up for two first rounders right now.

Just saying its not as insane as it may appear on the surface. There is a difference between saying something is not crazy, and saying its a good idea.
My main point is that everything is secondary to getting a franchise QB.

rbackfactory80
10-04-2011, 10:54 AM
Re-read. I mentioned numerous times I would not trade Miller, and that we wont. I wouldn't trade Miller straight up for two first rounders right now.

Just saying its not as insane as it may appear on the surface. There is a difference between saying something is not crazy, and saying its a good idea.
My main point is that everything is secondary to getting a franchise QB.

I would pull the trigger as tough as it would be. Luck could be our Manning for the next 15 years. Miller is fantastic, but he isn't a QB.

I am 99 percent sure Elway's entire game is scoring Luck. He is going to pay big time for him too unless we get the first pick.

PS I knew I would get killed for saying it. I just know Elway is going to do whatever it takes.

mile7high7
10-04-2011, 10:55 AM
I want to make sure my thoughts arent getting muddled here. I love Miller, I think he is going to be special, and already he and Dumervil are my favorite players on the defense (wow actually considering the players on offense, I suppose he is one my 2 favorite Broncos).

I just think this ship wont get righted, without a franchise QB, more than any other positional improvement.

mile7high7
10-04-2011, 10:58 AM
I would pull the trigger as tough as it would be. Luck could be our Manning for the next 15 years. Miller is fantastic, but he isn't a QB.

I am 99 percent sure Elway's entire game is scoring Luck. He is going to pay big time for him too unless we get the first pick.

You might be right. And if Luck turns in a HOF career, then I would be fine with trading away Miller. The problem is obviously we don't know if Luck is a HOF'er.
In that regard I would rather trade away other unknowns, like draft picks, which we bust on half the time anyways. I would rather trade three firsts, than 1 first+Miller.

rbackfactory80
10-04-2011, 11:06 AM
You might be right. And if Luck turns in a HOF career, then I would be fine with trading away Miller. The problem is obviously we don't know if Luck is a HOF'er.
In that regard I would rather trade away other unknowns, like draft picks, which we bust on half the time anyways. I would rather trade three firsts, than 1 first+Miller.

I would rather trade three firsts myself. I just know what is going to be asked for. This kid is special and will come at a high price.

I will be the first person to bump this thread after the draft. We will see who is laughing then.

Rolandftw
10-04-2011, 11:09 AM
Luck isn't worth gutting the entire team for (draft picks + Von Miller). If we end up with the #1 pick, fine take Luck obviously. If we can move up to get him without it costing too much, fine.

You guys are acting like the only chance for a franchise QB is taking Luck. You do realize that the only franchise QB that was taken #1 is probably Peyton Manning, right? Even if you want to hold to the idea that Luck is the most sure fire QB since John Elway most great QB's are taken not as sure things.

TheReverend
10-04-2011, 11:13 AM
Luck isn't worth gutting the entire team for (draft picks + Von Miller). If we end up with the #1 pick, fine take Luck obviously. If we can move up to get him without it costing too much, fine.

You guys are acting like the only chance for a franchise QB is taking Luck. You do realize that the only franchise QB that was taken #1 is probably Peyton Manning, right? Even if you want to hold to the idea that Luck is the most sure fire QB since John Elway most great QB's are taken not as sure things.

http://menversus.com/images/bertstare.jpg

rbackfactory80
10-04-2011, 11:19 AM
John Elway was an ok QB out of Stanford taken #1.

SonOfLe-loLang
10-04-2011, 11:20 AM
I wouldnt trade Von Miller for ANYONE right now.

epicSocialism4tw
10-04-2011, 11:20 AM
I want to make sure my thoughts arent getting muddled here. I love Miller, I think he is going to be special, and already he and Dumervil are my favorite players on the defense (wow actually considering the players on offense, I suppose he is one my 2 favorite Broncos).

I just think this ship wont get righted, without a franchise QB, more than any other positional improvement.

Miller isnt going to be special. He already is.

This team has needed a pass rusher for years. He's here and he's not going anywhere.

epicSocialism4tw
10-04-2011, 11:25 AM
I would rather trade three firsts myself. I just know what is going to be asked for. This kid is special and will come at a high price.

I will be the first person to bump this thread after the draft. We will see who is laughing then.

Holy cow.

So you'd gut the team to gamble on this QB?

Make no mistake...this team is bereft of talent all over the place. Its in a rebuilding process. You don't rebuild something by throwing away its most valuable pieces for construction.

The Broncos need every one of those picks. Not only that, but they need more picks. Not every draft will be like this last one where you shore up 4 positions for the future. You're lucky if you fix 1 position.

Rolandftw
10-04-2011, 11:38 AM
John Elway was an ok QB out of Stanford taken #1.

Dan Mario was an ok QB at #27 out of Pittsburgh too.

And again, I'm not arguing against Andrew Luck. Think he'll be a great QB. But, acting like the ONLY way to get a top flight QB is getting the #1 pick is ****ing retarded.

Especially when the top three QB's in the NFL now weren't picked anywhere near #1 (Brees 2nd rounder, Brady late in the draft, Rodgers late first).

Rabb
10-04-2011, 11:48 AM
Dan Mario was an ok QB at #27 out of Pittsburgh too.

And again, I'm not arguing against Andrew Luck. Think he'll be a great QB. But, acting like the ONLY way to get a top flight QB is getting the #1 pick is ****ing retarded.

Especially when the top three QB's in the NFL now weren't picked anywhere near #1 (Brees 2nd rounder, Brady late in the draft, Rodgers late first).

you would have had a nice point had you not lost all credibility here

You do realize that the only franchise QB that was taken #1 is probably Peyton Manning, right?

epicSocialism4tw
10-04-2011, 11:54 AM
How did a thread about Von Miller turn into a dunderfest about trading he and all of our top draft picks for the next three years away for a college player?

The guy has 4 sacks and two forced fumbles in his first 4 games. He has been a great addition to the run game as well.

Rabb
10-04-2011, 11:58 AM
How did a thread about Von Miller turn into a dunderfest about trading he and all of our top draft picks for the next three years away for a college player?

The guy has 4 sacks and two forced fumbles in his first 4 games. He has been a great addition to the run game as well.

no kidding, I would lose my mind if we traded Miller for anything right now

jhns
10-04-2011, 12:01 PM
Some still think the McDaniels/Madden video game way of doing things is actually the right way. These people do not live in reality.

Rolandftw
10-04-2011, 12:05 PM
you would have had a nice point had you not lost all credibility here

What QB was picked #1, is still in the league, and is honestly seen as a top flight QB? Guess you could argue Eli, but that's a stretch. Vick's a huge stretch too most of his career.

Thought it was obvious I was arguing about current QB's, as obviously Elway, Aikman and other RETIRED Qb's are obviously franchise QB's.

Rolandftw
10-04-2011, 12:07 PM
But on topic, I would be pissed if we even considered trading Miller at this point. He's the only player that's making this season somewhat tolerable.

WABronco
10-04-2011, 12:13 PM
The hell you morons talking about? Put down the keyboard, jesus.

epicSocialism4tw
10-04-2011, 12:47 PM
no kidding, I would lose my mind if we traded Miller for anything right now

Miller has put himself in the conversation of being the best Broncos draft choice of all time. And these goobs want to trade him. Ha!

vancejohnson82
10-04-2011, 12:58 PM
Miller has put himself in the conversation of being the best Broncos draft choice of all time. And these goobs want to trade him. Ha!

we need to get older...quick

Mr. Elway
10-04-2011, 01:01 PM
Let's trade Doom at the same time as Miller, we can get THREE FIRST ROUND PICKS!!!!!! Juussss imagin!!!11!!!

Trading all our good players for draft picks is what got us into this mess. Player development and good drafting is required to get us out of it.

bowtown
10-04-2011, 01:22 PM
Ima trade 9 conditional 3rds for the little white WR in NE and then pay a batrillion dollars for Aarton Rogers. Nest ima trade our punter for a first and cobmine it with a conditional 5th to draft that Polomoloe dude from the Steallers.

MagicHef
10-04-2011, 01:31 PM
How about this:

If we do get the #1 pick overall, what would you need to receive in order to consider trading it away?

vancejohnson82
10-04-2011, 01:32 PM
How about this:

If we do get the #1 pick overall, what would you need to receive in order to consider trading it away?

a first round pick inside the top 15, a third round pick and a second day pick

TheReverend
10-04-2011, 01:37 PM
How did a thread about Von Miller turn into a dunderfest about trading he and all of our top draft picks for the next three years away for a college player?

...seriously? One guy posted it speculatively and you've been making a butt-hurt tirade over it ever since.

rbackfactory80
10-04-2011, 01:42 PM
How about this:

If we do get the #1 pick overall, what would you need to receive in order to consider trading it away?

Good way to re-phrase the question. We will use it but with Luck on the board it is worth as much as it's ever been.

Can't wait to see all the replies of "lets look at the draft chart". Doesn't apply in this situation.

MagicHef
10-04-2011, 01:45 PM
a first round pick inside the top 15, a third round pick and a second day pick

Yikes, I hope this was a joke.

vancejohnson82
10-04-2011, 01:49 PM
Yikes, I hope this was a joke.

honestly, I would do something like this but its more in response to the ridiculousness going on in this thread surrounding Luck

MagicHef
10-04-2011, 01:52 PM
honestly, I would do something like this but its more in response to the ridiculousness going on in this thread surrounding Luck

You realize that the "ridiculousness" about Luck is not confined to this thread, right? Because of him, the #1 pick is worth more now than it ever has been before.

vancejohnson82
10-04-2011, 01:56 PM
You realize that the "ridiculousness" about Luck is not confined to this thread, right? Because of him, the #1 pick is worth more now than it ever has been before.

and if we got it, I would have no problem taking a Ditka type offer from some overzealous team

epicSocialism4tw
10-04-2011, 03:37 PM
and if we got it, I would have no problem taking a Ditka type offer from some overzealous team

That would be a pretty quick way to rebuild the Broncos. No doubt.

DB-Freak
10-06-2011, 03:20 AM
Rookie of the Year

1. [1] Von Miller, OLB, Denver Broncos, +17.4 (245 snaps)
.
As well as Cam played, Miller raised the stakes by adding some stats to his largely unnoticed excellence. How can people that watch football not vote him defensive rookie of the month? Increased his lead in our 4-3 OLB ranking with a two-sack, one-hit, five-hurry day. Can do it all.
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/10/06/race-for-rookie-of-the-year-center-of-attention/

cutthemdown
10-06-2011, 05:01 AM
If I was Broncos I would make middle linebacker top priority next yr. Obviously dline also but one thing that sticks out is how much better Miller is then anyone in the middle. Woodyard runs around fairly good and DJ can still play some.

cutthemdown
10-06-2011, 05:03 AM
Rookie of the Year

1. [1] Von Miller, OLB, Denver Broncos, +17.4 (245 snaps)
.
As well as Cam played, Miller raised the stakes by adding some stats to his largely unnoticed excellence. How can people that watch football not vote him defensive rookie of the month? Increased his lead in our 4-3 OLB ranking with a two-sack, one-hit, five-hurry day. Can do it all.
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/10/06/race-for-rookie-of-the-year-center-of-attention/

Too bad Moore couldnt even get on a list there. Sort of bummed he isn't playing better.

TheReverend
10-06-2011, 06:37 AM
I dislike PFF, but I LOVE that they're pushing Miller and making him more visible to media and other accolades.

Rabb
10-06-2011, 06:42 AM
If I was Broncos I would make middle linebacker top priority next yr. Obviously dline also but one thing that sticks out is how much better Miller is then anyone in the middle. Woodyard runs around fairly good and DJ can still play some.

if we get a bad ass in the middle, our defense will be just dirty

my biggest concern right now is CB, because there is an astronomical drop in talent after an aging Champ

as a matter of fact, it's a much bigger priority than defensive line right now for me, although I do realize we need some talent there too

Broncoman13
10-06-2011, 07:04 AM
With so many holes on this team I think it will be tough not to trade down a little bit. What I would like to see us do is trade down about 5 spots, assuming we will be picking in the 3-5 range. In the 8-10 range you can usually get the premiere CB, MLB or RB in the draft. Top DT, LT, QB, and DE will be OTB. I would prefer we drafted a RB in the second round. A guy like LaMichael James (assuming he comes out) would be a nice pick. He reminds me a lot of Shady McCoy. Right now, I think a CB and DTs are top of the list, followed by RB and MLB.

mkporter
10-06-2011, 08:09 AM
if we get a bad ass in the middle, our defense will be just dirty

my biggest concern right now is CB, because there is an astronomical drop in talent after an aging Champ

as a matter of fact, it's a much bigger priority than defensive line right now for me, although I do realize we need some talent there too

My thoughts exactly...

epicSocialism4tw
10-06-2011, 10:28 AM
With so many holes on this team I think it will be tough not to trade down a little bit. What I would like to see us do is trade down about 5 spots, assuming we will be picking in the 3-5 range. In the 8-10 range you can usually get the premiere CB, MLB or RB in the draft. Top DT, LT, QB, and DE will be OTB. I would prefer we drafted a RB in the second round. A guy like LaMichael James (assuming he comes out) would be a nice pick. He reminds me a lot of Shady McCoy. Right now, I think a CB and DTs are top of the list, followed by RB and MLB.

I like this idea.

I think that RB, MLB, and CB have actually surpassed DT as the biggest needs. Bunkley looks like a long-term guy. We still need a stud DT too, but I think that with Warren, Vickerson, and Thomas to complement Bunk next season that you can address other positions in the draft.

The team needs more picks. Another second rounder would be ideal. You can usually find value in that round for RB, MLB, and CB.

epicSocialism4tw
10-06-2011, 10:36 AM
Look at how good this past draft was...

Von Miller - instant star, which is extremely rare in any sport
Rahim Moore - starting safety, possible long-term solution at FS
Orlando Franklin - starting RT, possible long-term solution at RT, growing weekly
Julius Thomas - instant contributor, possible star, possible long-term solution at TE
Virgil Green - instant contributor, possible star, possible long-term solution at TE
Quinton Carter - excellent special teams player, possible Dawkins replacement at SS
Nate Irving - special teams player, developmental MLB

That's looking like a home run draft. There wasn't a stupid pick in the whole draft.

If the team can have half that success in the next draft, the future looks bright.

broncocalijohn
10-06-2011, 10:43 AM
a first round pick inside the top 15, a third round pick and a second day pick

Teams would jump on that all day! I hope you are not our GM anytime soon, Vance. Depending on draft, you can get that just by moving down two spots and all would think it is crazy (replace the "inside the top 15" for #3 pick). Many times you are also giving up the next year's #1 to move into the current #1 spot. It is a package deal that should have nothing to do with a 4th-7th round pick (it is no longer called 2nd day but now called 3rd day as 1st round is during the week).

schaaf
10-06-2011, 11:02 AM
Look at how good this past draft was...

Von Miller - instant star, which is extremely rare in any sport
Rahim Moore - starting safety, possible long-term solution at FS
Orlando Franklin - starting RT, possible long-term solution at RT, growing weekly
Julius Thomas - instant contributor, possible star, possible long-term solution at TE
Virgil Green - instant contributor, possible star, possible long-term solution at TE
Quinton Carter - excellent special teams player, possible Dawkins replacement at SS
Nate Irving - special teams player, developmental MLB

That's looking like a home run draft. There wasn't a stupid pick in the whole draft.

If the team can have half that success in the next draft, the future looks bright.

I liked every draft pick except Mohammed. He was the only one that I was like WTF? Even after watching video he looked slow and unathletic and it turns out he's on the practice squad

TheReverend
10-06-2011, 11:13 AM
I liked every draft pick except Mohammed. He was the only one that I was like WTF? Even after watching video he looked slow and unathletic and it turns out he's on the practice squad

So rare that a 6th round pick hits the practice squad. What a bust.

schaaf
10-06-2011, 11:16 AM
So rare that a 6th round pick hits the practice squad. What a bust.

haha I demand excellence, our sixth rounders damn well better be starting! Off with Orton's head!

TheReverend
10-06-2011, 11:17 AM
haha I demand excellence, our sixth rounders damn well better be starting! Off with Orton's head!

lol now you're talkin some sense!

Drek
10-06-2011, 11:24 AM
Look at how good this past draft was...

Von Miller - instant star, which is extremely rare in any sport
Rahim Moore - starting safety, possible long-term solution at FS
Orlando Franklin - starting RT, possible long-term solution at RT, growing weekly
Julius Thomas - instant contributor, possible star, possible long-term solution at TE
Virgil Green - instant contributor, possible star, possible long-term solution at TE
Quinton Carter - excellent special teams player, possible Dawkins replacement at SS
Nate Irving - special teams player, developmental MLB

That's looking like a home run draft. There wasn't a stupid pick in the whole draft.

If the team can have half that success in the next draft, the future looks bright.

Still don't love taking Carter if McBath and Bruton were guys they previously identified as worthwhile pieces, which seems to be the case (with at least Bruton) because I've seen Bruton on the field with the defense more than Carter.

But the talent evaluation and selection process was solid, and Carter would obviously rank fairly high on a "BPA" standard.

I also like Nate Irving in a vacuum, but we could have really used some DT help there. Drake Nevis looks good for Indy, could have had him instead.

Overall its a very solid draft. Another like it and the talent gap between us and good teams shrinks significantly.

I do still think people sell the last couple drafts before this one short though. The players weren't coached well enough to show what they had. Now we see Ayers establishing himself as a reliable starter, Bruton is finally seeing the field on defense, Beadles and Walton are showing significant growth week to week, Decker is emerging as a great WR, and this is all without D. Thomas or Tebow seeing the field yet.

epicSocialism4tw
10-06-2011, 02:03 PM
Still don't love taking Carter if McBath and Bruton were guys they previously identified as worthwhile pieces, which seems to be the case (with at least Bruton) because I've seen Bruton on the field with the defense more than Carter.

But the talent evaluation and selection process was solid, and Carter would obviously rank fairly high on a "BPA" standard.

I also like Nate Irving in a vacuum, but we could have really used some DT help there. Drake Nevis looks good for Indy, could have had him instead.

Overall its a very solid draft. Another like it and the talent gap between us and good teams shrinks significantly.

I do still think people sell the last couple drafts before this one short though. The players weren't coached well enough to show what they had. Now we see Ayers establishing himself as a reliable starter, Bruton is finally seeing the field on defense, Beadles and Walton are showing significant growth week to week, Decker is emerging as a great WR, and this is all without D. Thomas or Tebow seeing the field yet.

This group should start getting it together about 3/4 of the way through next season. Add two more decent drafts where you get depth and a starter or two from each one and you have a competitive team again.

BroncoLifer
10-06-2011, 03:07 PM
haha I demand excellence, our sixth rounders damn well better be starting!

The sixth rounder in my avatar did. More like him please!!!

TheReverend
10-06-2011, 03:20 PM
With so many holes on this team I think it will be tough not to trade down a little bit. What I would like to see us do is trade down about 5 spots, assuming we will be picking in the 3-5 range. In the 8-10 range you can usually get the premiere CB, MLB or RB in the draft. Top DT, LT, QB, and DE will be OTB. I would prefer we drafted a RB in the second round. A guy like LaMichael James (assuming he comes out) would be a nice pick. He reminds me a lot of Shady McCoy. Right now, I think a CB and DTs are top of the list, followed by RB and MLB.

Gonna be hard to do that after taking Luck ;)

MagicHef
10-06-2011, 05:49 PM
Gonna be hard to do that after taking Luck ;)

What do you think we'll end up giving up for Luck? I'm trying to prepare myself because I know it's going to be a lot, I'm just not sure how much.

schaaf
10-06-2011, 06:00 PM
What do you think we'll end up giving up for Luck? I'm trying to prepare myself because I know it's going to be a lot, I'm just not sure how much.

My guess is

This years 1st, 2nd, and 4th (if we still have a fourth)
And next years 1st

goldengopher1976
10-06-2011, 06:37 PM
If I was Broncos I would make middle linebacker top priority next yr. Obviously dline also but one thing that sticks out is how much better Miller is then anyone in the middle. Woodyard runs around fairly good and DJ can still play some.

I love the idea of adding Vontaze Burfict to this team, especially with the Ray Lewis comparisons flying around. If we're drafting around 6-10 and he's available, I'd love to give him a look.

goldengopher1976
10-06-2011, 06:39 PM
My guess is

This years 1st, 2nd, and 4th (if we still have a fourth)
And next years 1st

That would be a fair price to pay for a franchise QB.

MagicHef
10-06-2011, 08:16 PM
My guess is

This years 1st, 2nd, and 4th (if we still have a fourth)
And next years 1st

Wow, I would be stunned if it was that little. How far into the future are teams allowed to get picks from to trade? I would guess the price would be closer to every 1st, 2nd and 3rd we are allowed to trade, plus maybe Clady.

schaaf
10-06-2011, 08:18 PM
Wow, I would be stunned if it was that little. How far into the future are teams allowed to get picks from to trade? I would guess the price would be closer to every 1st, 2nd and 3rd we are allowed to trade, plus maybe Clady.

that is still having me under the assumption that we're drafting about number 3-5

MagicHef
10-06-2011, 08:27 PM
that is still having me under the assumption that we're drafting about number 3-5

Yeah, I was making the same assumption. I just think the team that gets the #1 pick, if given the choice between keeping the next Peyton Manning or 2 #1s, a #2 and a #4, would pick the player every time.

schaaf
10-06-2011, 08:48 PM
true true, unless its a team that already has their qb like the vikings or rams

Dr. Broncenstein
10-06-2011, 08:52 PM
true true, unless its a team that already has their qb like the vikings or rams

I seriously doubt the Vikings pass on Luck just because they drafted Ponder. I'd be shocked, actually.

bowtown
10-06-2011, 08:55 PM
I seriously doubt the Vikings pass on Luck just because they drafted Ponder. I'd be shocked, actually.

I think he was referring to their QBOTF, Donovan McNabb.

rbackfactory80
10-06-2011, 08:59 PM
I doubt either of them will. No matter what he will be picked 1 and traded if he is not needed.

Just like when Eli Manning went 1, San Diego was going to take him no matter what, even if he really was going to refuse to play for the Chargers and they couldn't work a deal with the Giants IIRC. They can always make a deal when they possess him.

Hopefully Luck will play with Denver if we get the 1st pick.

Dr. Broncenstein
10-06-2011, 08:59 PM
I think he was referring to their QBOTF, Donovan McNabb.

http://flint.sparcq.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/year2000.jpg

schaaf
10-06-2011, 09:04 PM
I think he was referring to their QBOTF, Donovan McNabb.

actually, i was talking about Joe Webb....

epicSocialism4tw
10-06-2011, 09:52 PM
I love the idea of adding Vontaze Burfict to this team, especially with the Ray Lewis comparisons flying around. If we're drafting around 6-10 and he's available, I'd love to give him a look.

I would be ecstatic about that.

bowtown
10-06-2011, 09:54 PM
http://flint.sparcq.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/year2000.jpg

This sketch makes me feel old.

teknic
10-06-2011, 09:56 PM
I love the idea of adding Vontaze Burfict to this team, especially with the Ray Lewis comparisons flying around. If we're drafting around 6-10 and he's available, I'd love to give him a look.

Yes please!

I am on the Burfict bandwagon!
:bandwagon

The only knock against the guy is that he plays dirty.

bowtown
10-06-2011, 09:59 PM
Yes please!

I am on the Burfict bandwagon!
:bandwagon

The only knock against the guy is that he plays dirty.

As long as he doesn't murder anyone... spitting, finger breaking, hyperbolic chambers, horse steroids, ahoy!

teknic
10-06-2011, 10:01 PM
As long as he doesn't murder anyone... spitting, finger breaking, hyperbolic chambers, horse steroids, ahoy!

He may be the first linebacker to actually kill someone during a game. He hits that hard and plays that nasty.

He's got the best instincts for a MLB that I've seen in a while, and mix in the ridiculous athleticism... He may be in the running for a Heisman this season if he can avoid being suspended/benched.

epicSocialism4tw
10-06-2011, 10:09 PM
Yes please!

I am on the Burfict bandwagon!
:bandwagon

The only knock against the guy is that he plays dirty.

That's not a knock. The Broncos need a guy like that.

Shananahan
10-06-2011, 10:30 PM
He may be in the running for a Heisman this season if he can avoid being suspended/benched.
Take a break.

teknic
10-06-2011, 10:30 PM
That's not a knock. The Broncos need a guy like that.

I agree. If that's the worst thing that can be said about him, then sign me up. I would be ecstatic if we end up with Vontaze. It would be nice to make offenses fear our D for once.

KCStud
10-06-2011, 11:11 PM
Yes please!

I am on the Burfict bandwagon!
:bandwagon

The only knock against the guy is that he plays dirty.

That's because he is a dirty player!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ7Dn3Qm9AI

epicSocialism4tw
10-06-2011, 11:46 PM
I agree. If that's the worst thing that can be said about him, then sign me up. I would be ecstatic if we end up with Vontaze. It would be nice to make offenses fear our D for once.

Throw that shoe! ;D

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epicSocialism4tw
10-06-2011, 11:51 PM
I'll take 11 Burflicts, please.

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epicSocialism4tw
10-06-2011, 11:53 PM
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epicSocialism4tw
10-06-2011, 11:58 PM
This dude LOVES to fill the gap and deliver a knockout punch. I'm developing a man crush. Man, this guy would potentially be the perfect kind of player to turn this defense into something to be FEARED. He's like a bigger Al Wilson with Bill Romanowski's attitude.

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DB-Freak
10-07-2011, 03:02 AM
1. Itís Miller timeô

Now weíre not going back to the 1990ís and talking about the Indiana Pacers here, weíre headed to the Mile High City where Von Miller showed us once again why he is rapidly becoming one of the most feared defenders in the National Football League. Miller was once again exceptional as a pass rusher, feasting on a right tackle that was making his first NFL start. His play at linebacker, whilst not as impressive was still solid. If Miller was just stepping in as a situational pass rusher, in the same way that Terrell Suggs, another hybrid linebacker/defensive end did in his rookie season, then Miller would still be impressive; but the fact that he is combining that with strong play as a starting 4-3 strong-side linebacker in base packages is a little short of astounding.

Sure, Rodgers was on the receiving end of two sacks, three hits and ten pressures off the edge, but the interior trio of TJ Lang, Scott Wells and Josh Sitton allowed nothing through the middle. As Von Miller in particular was getting around the edge seemingly at will, Rodgers was frequently able to step up and make throws because of the work of these three. This game was the perfect storm for Green Bay and when everything clicks like this for the Packers it takes a far better defense than Denverís to stop them.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/10/06/re-focused-broncos-packers-week-4/

They just love this guy.

DB-Freak
10-07-2011, 03:12 AM
Green Bay RT Marshall Newhouse vs. Denver SLB/Pass Rusher Von Miller
.

Every back up in the NFL wants a chance. They might only get one opportunity to prove they belong, and when it comes they have to take hold of it. Marshall Newhouse of the Green Bay Packers is now either wishing that his moment had waited or simply regretting that his time came against the rookie phenomenon Von Miller. Bryan Bulagaís injury couldnít have come at a worse time for the Packers as Miller showed, in his fourth career game, why he is already one of the best and most feared defenders in the National Football League.

Newhouse simply could not deal with Millerís speed and even though these two only encountered each other in obvious passing situations, Miller left an indelible mark on Newhouseís debut. Spread over the first three quarters, Miller registered two sacks, a hit and four pressures against the second-year player out of TCU. Millerís consistency has been astonishing and, the very best should be winning matchups like this emphatically and he didnít let his performance slip just because Bulaga was missing. Miller feasted on Newhouse and his disappointment will be that it couldnít positively affect the outcome for Denver.
.

Headline Play
.
Miller got pressure inside of Newhouse as well as straight up by bullrush, but it was the two sacks he got tearing outside of Newhouse that will be giving the Packersí OT nightmares. At the start of the third quarter (13.43) with the Broncos needing a big play to prevent the Packers extending an 11 point lead, Miller came up with just that. From a 2-point stance, wide of Newhouse, Miller bursted off the edge and downed Aaron Rodgers for a sack. As a story of the game though, that big play still wasnít enough for the Broncos on that drive. Miller made the big play, putting the Packers into long yardage, but his individual effort wasnít enough to shut the Packersí passing game down on his own.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/10/07/marquee-matchups-review-2/