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Bronx33
09-19-2011, 08:31 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Chicago-newspaper-criticizes-Fox-Sports-for-usin?urn=nfl-wp7486

Archer81
09-19-2011, 08:33 PM
Dude has been sacked 92 times from 2009-2010. That would make anyone pissy.


:Broncos:

maven
09-19-2011, 08:33 PM
Fox running fake headlines? Ya don't say...

strafen
09-19-2011, 08:35 PM
Cool story!

Jason in LA
09-19-2011, 08:37 PM
It's hard to believe that the Bears would spend all that money on Cutler and then not do much to protect him. That offensive line is embarrassing. He's not even finished with a five step drop back and defenders are running right at him.

Popps
09-19-2011, 08:46 PM
It's hard to believe that the Bears would spend all that money on Cutler and then not do much to protect him. That offensive line is embarrassing. He's not even finished with a five step drop back and defenders are running right at him.

I know, plus he sucks.

Jetmeck
09-19-2011, 09:45 PM
I know, plus he sucks.

Cutler > Orton given the same line and you know it................

Bronx33
09-19-2011, 09:47 PM
Cutler > Orton given the same line and you know it................


Cutler has the same OL :~ohyah!:

TheDave
09-19-2011, 09:48 PM
Cutler > Orton given the same line and you know it................

Cutler > Orton + Ayers + Moreno + Tebow + Thomas

SoCalBronco
09-19-2011, 10:01 PM
Cutler > Orton + Ayers + Moreno + Tebow + Thomas

QFT.

Ratboy
09-19-2011, 10:02 PM
Cutler > Orton + Ayers + Moreno + Tebow + Thomas

Truth.

We got raped on that trade.

Agamemnon
09-19-2011, 10:04 PM
Cutler > Orton + Ayers + Moreno + Tebow + Thomas

I'm still waiting for his on the field production to match ridiculous statements like this. So far he hasn't even really conclusively proven he's better than Orton. Their overall production since the trade is pretty damn similar so far. Both are mediocre. Both are overrated by many on these boards. Both have started for the Bears and Broncos. They're almost like twins. Hilarious!

vonqkilla
09-19-2011, 10:08 PM
Fox lied, noooooo!!!

OABB
09-19-2011, 10:22 PM
Cutler > Orton + Ayers + Moreno + Tebow + Thomas

at sucking.

Swedish Extrovert
09-19-2011, 10:29 PM
I was going to post an Onion sports clip, but it's like a 6 minute clip with one little blurb about Cutler so it wasn't worth it.

The Onion ran a news story "After a poor showing in the NFC championship game, the Chicago Bears are giving Jay Cutler a chance to prove how tough he is by letting him get sacked even more."

Jason in LA
09-19-2011, 10:31 PM
I know, plus he sucks.

Thanks for sharing. :thumbs:

HAT
09-19-2011, 10:32 PM
I'm still waiting for his on the field production to match ridiculous statements like this. So far he hasn't even really conclusively proven he's better than Orton. Their overall production since the trade is pretty damn similar so far. Both are mediocre. Both are overrated by many on these boards. Both have started for the Bears and Broncos. They're almost like twins. Hilarious!

Their stat lines (and results) are near identical so far in 2011.

Same ol' same ol'.....

I've been calling them interchangeable since they finished their first full years with the new teams.

Agamemnon
09-19-2011, 10:36 PM
Their stat lines (and results) are near identical so far in 2011.

Same ol' same ol'.....

I've been calling them interchangeable since they finished their first full years with the new teams.

Cutler is a little better at making plays, but also tends to throw more stupid interceptions. It really is a wash in my eyes.

BroncosinDC
09-19-2011, 11:16 PM
Cutler is a little better at making plays, but also tends to throw more stupid interceptions. It really is a wash in my eyes.

But they are lasers...

cutthemdown
09-19-2011, 11:32 PM
It's hard to believe that the Bears would spend all that money on Cutler and then not do much to protect him. That offensive line is embarrassing. He's not even finished with a five step drop back and defenders are running right at him.

You can tell though he is sort of gunshy though. Even when he gets a pocket he throws off his back foot. He's just really not that great even though Broncos fans want to think he was. Really that trade not a bad one except for none of Mcdaniels picks any good. I don't miss Cutler really though.

Hillis, well that is another story.

NUB
09-20-2011, 12:27 AM
It's hard to believe that the Bears would spend all that money on Cutler and then not do much to protect him. That offensive line is embarrassing. He's not even finished with a five step drop back and defenders are running right at him.

It is not just the offensive line, though. It is the lack of any real receivers on the team. None of them can consistently get open and Forte is their best route-runner by far. Only the guy that came from Cutler's Vanderbilt team ever seems to be in sync with the QB and he is a marginally talented receiver at best. Johnny Knox is like a poor man's Miles Austin, Roy Williams is washed up and Devin Hester is a return specialist-turned-receiver. Chicago's offense is pretty much nonexistent outside of Forte and Cutler.

Drek
09-20-2011, 03:56 AM
Cutler > Orton + Ayers + Moreno + Tebow + Thomas

Wow that is some really powerful denial.

FYI, Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton basically swapped teams. in '09. Well to be fair Orton did go to a team with a fully new coaching staff which many on this board (including yourself) say was led by the single worst coach to ever be in the NFL while Cutler's time here was graced with a future HOF coach.

Orton had a better QB rating, a better TD to INT ratio, and won the same number of games as Cutler in '08 with the same team and worse coaching.

Cutler with nearly the exact same coaching and roster Orton had in '08 goes into '09 and throws nearly three times as many interceptions, has a worse QB rating, and the Bears lose two more games than they did with Orton.

Cutler = Franchise QB. Orton = Scrub.

Fantastic logic.

Kaylore
09-20-2011, 05:18 AM
Actually Cutler sacks himself and fumbles about as much as Orton does. The difference is Cutler actually sees passing opportunities as a chance to attack down field, and redzone visits as great chances to get touchdowns. Orton sees both as possible disasters and/or great field goal opportunities.

peacepipe
09-20-2011, 05:33 AM
cutler played well enough to get to the nfc championship game,lot more than than can be said about orton.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-20-2011, 05:41 AM
cutler played well enough to let his defense get him to the nfc championship game,lot more than than can be said about orton.

Fixed it for you. You're welcome.

strafen
09-20-2011, 05:46 AM
Actually Cutler sacks himself and fumbles about as much as Orton does. The difference is Cutler actually sees passing opportunities as a chance to attack down field, and redzone visits as great chances to get touchdowns. Orton sees both as possible disasters and/or great field goal opportunities.

ROFL! LOL :strong:

TonyR
09-20-2011, 05:54 AM
Cutler > Orton + Ayers + Moreno + Tebow + Thomas

You've been one of the more reasonable posters around here since your return, but this is some ridic and blatant hyperbole.

jhns
09-20-2011, 06:14 AM
You've been one of the more reasonable posters around here since your return, but this is some ridic and blatant hyperbole.

Or you McFans are proving that you are still idiots...

The Joker
09-20-2011, 06:16 AM
Actually Cutler sacks himself and fumbles about as much as Orton does. The difference is Cutler actually sees passing opportunities as a chance to attack down field, and redzone visits as great chances to get touchdowns. Orton sees both as possible disasters and/or great field goal opportunities.

I've been developing a theory based around Orton thinking Field Goals are worth more points than touchdowns.

It would explain everything!

Peoples Champ
09-20-2011, 06:33 AM
Dude has been sacked 92 times from 2009-2010. That would make anyone pissy.


:Broncos:


Most sacked QB of all time = John Elway. I don't see him making any excuses.

Wait did I just compare Elway and Cutler? I'm a retard.

bendog
09-20-2011, 06:33 AM
I

http://turekonmenshealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Red-Heart.jpg

Josh McDaniels

Kaylore
09-20-2011, 06:38 AM
I've been developing a theory based around Orton thinking Field Goals are worth more points than touchdowns.

It would explain everything!

Montrose and I were joking that in every redzone opportunity Orton tells Prater "don't worry, bro! I got this for you!"

Kaylore
09-20-2011, 06:40 AM
Most sacked QB of all time = John Elway. I don't see him making any excuses.

Wait did I just compare Elway and Cutler? I'm a retard.

There's a reason for this. Cutler and Elway are mobile QB's. Mobile QB's get sacked more (See also: Vick, McNabb, Steve Young). It's the pocket QB's that don't take sacks. They usually get rid of the ball where mobile QB's use their athleticism to hold onto the ball until the last minute. Now Orton is more in the mold of Drew Bledsoe where they just take sacks. It's incredibly frustrating.

bendog
09-20-2011, 06:45 AM
Chi's oline is horrible. Nola abused them all day long. Young Elway never really had a LT who was very good, but Ken Lanier wasn't bad at RT. Interior line was fairly competent with Bishop and Bryan

Blueflame
09-20-2011, 06:45 AM
You've been one of the more reasonable posters around here since your return, but this is some ridic and blatant hyperbole.

Um... but Cutler was in the NFCC game last January... while Orton is mediocre at best and the jury is still out (as it should be; the 2009 draft class is only in their 3rd season) on all of McDaniels' draft picks. It's illustrative however... that not one single McDaniels draft pick has established himself as a clear, consensus "win", however.... Moreno and Thomas can't seem to get healthy and/or stay healthy. And Tebow's a multi-year project.

Gort
09-20-2011, 06:48 AM
Fox lied, noooooo!!!

if it were an MSNBC headline, it would be:

"Cutler sacked 6 times; George Bush responsible."

Kaylore
09-20-2011, 06:52 AM
if it were an MSNBC headline, it would be.

"Cutler sacked 6 times; George Bush responsible."

Or if Obama was the lineman "Cutler not sacked 85% of the time he drops back!"

And then there would be a series of articles trying to make the <s>recession</s> sacks seem cute and a minor nuisance like "Ten helpful tips to deal with concussions!" and "How one QB is learning to make a linebacker in his face work for his family!"

ROFL!

BroncosSR
09-20-2011, 06:55 AM
You've been one of the more reasonable posters around here since your return, but this is some ridic and blatant hyperbole.

I'm not really sure you can argue with that. Thomas has yet to contribute. Ayers hasn't lived up to the expectations and gets hurt relatively easily (Although, has shown improvement). Moreno gets paid to pull his hamstring every few games. And well, Orton is Orton.

colonelbeef
09-20-2011, 07:01 AM
I know, plus he sucks.

Says the guy who thought Josh McDaniels was doing a good job.

you have zero credibility and no ability to judge pro football.

colonelbeef
09-20-2011, 07:04 AM
Wow that is some really powerful denial.

FYI, Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton basically swapped teams. in '09. Well to be fair Orton did go to a team with a fully new coaching staff which many on this board (including yourself) say was led by the single worst coach to ever be in the NFL while Cutler's time here was graced with a future HOF coach.

Orton had a better QB rating, a better TD to INT ratio, and won the same number of games as Cutler in '08 with the same team and worse coaching.

Cutler with nearly the exact same coaching and roster Orton had in '08 goes into '09 and throws nearly three times as many interceptions, has a worse QB rating, and the Bears lose two more games than they did with Orton.

Cutler = Franchise QB. Orton = Scrub.

Fantastic logic.

Warren Moon has better career stats than John Elway.

Who was a better QB, John Elway or Warren Moon?

colonelbeef
09-20-2011, 07:05 AM
Most sacked QB of all time = John Elway. I don't see him making any excuses.

Wait did I just compare Elway and Cutler? I'm a retard.


Actually, John Elway was seen as a whiny, entitled brat, especially outside of Denver.

Eldorado
09-20-2011, 07:08 AM
Oh look, a Cutler thread.

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/qq332/mangler83/th_GIF_saftey_guy_suicide.gif

Gort
09-20-2011, 07:12 AM
Actually, John Elway was seen as a whiny, entitled brat, especially outside of Denver.

in Baltimore he's not well-liked. they don't obsess about it, but Elway is considered one of the reasons that they lost the Colts. with the arrival of the Ravens, that became much less of a big deal, but it's still there under the surface if you ask older fans. Elway should have inserted a single sentence in his HOF speech expressing his regrets that he had any involvement (even tangentially) in the events leading to the Colts leaving. that would have done him a world of good from a PR standpoint. however, he didn't do that.

bendog
09-20-2011, 07:45 AM
sort of a lose/lose thing for him there, imo.

And there is an irony to Lambchop forcing that trade, and ending up with Martz, the concussion king.

lonestar
09-20-2011, 07:45 AM
Um... but Cutler was in the NFCC game last January... while Orton is mediocre at best and the jury is still out (as it should be; the 2009 draft class is only in their 3rd season) on all of McDaniels' draft picks. It's illustrative however... that not one single McDaniels draft pick has established himself as a clear, consensus "win", however.... Moreno and Thomas can't seem to get healthy and/or stay healthy. And Tebow's a multi-year project.

Umm but jaysus was not the prime reason that got them to that game. And once he was hurt he folded like a cheap tent in a tornado.

I do have to give him credit for improvement in his TD to turnover ratio. And he had a couple of good games.

But that defense is studly. Without that and a decent RB he is Orton w-l wise.

I always find it amusing that his OL is to blame for everything bad about jay.
Yet is has no bearing on Ortons play.

Now I'll never say that Orton is a pro bowler and frankly if you are honest with yourselves rivers out played him for that last spot when he did get in.

That said enjoy your lovefest over jay. He will once again prove what loser he is somewhere down the line.

bendog
09-20-2011, 07:47 AM
whine much?

bronco militia
09-20-2011, 08:03 AM
I

http://turekonmenshealth.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Red-Heart.jpg

Josh McDaniels

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jhns
09-20-2011, 08:06 AM
I wish we could get Cutler back.

bowtown
09-20-2011, 08:24 AM
I wish I could get on Cutler's back.

We know.

Kaylore
09-20-2011, 08:28 AM
We know.

LOL

Rascal
09-20-2011, 08:34 AM
Cutler > Orton + Ayers + Moreno + Tebow + Thomas

Truth.

Moreno and Thomas are always injured. Tebow hasn't done anything and can't beat out Orton, Ayers is an average DE (which is okay, but hardly worthy of a first rounder), and Orton sucks and is anti-clutch.

Back to the newstory, is anybody suprised that Fox would fix the headline for ratings?

TailgateNut
09-20-2011, 08:40 AM
We know.


awesome comment.

TonyR
09-20-2011, 09:14 AM
Um... but Cutler was in the NFCC game last January... while Orton is mediocre at best and the jury is still out (as it should be; the 2009 draft class is only in their 3rd season) on all of McDaniels' draft picks. It's illustrative however... that not one single McDaniels draft pick has established himself as a clear, consensus "win", however.... Moreno and Thomas can't seem to get healthy and/or stay healthy. And Tebow's a multi-year project.

Sorry but that's a myopic perspective. When you value things you need to also consider the future value. Orton+Ayers+Thomas+Moreno+Tebow will most likely have more total value over the long term than Cutler. And you're giving Cutler way too much credit for that NFCCG appearance. Notice how once again he wasn't remotely able to elevate the play of his team against a strong opponent last week and Chi got crushed. You're acting like he's Peyton Manning or something. What a joke.

bendog
09-20-2011, 09:17 AM
Orton+Ayers+Thomas+Moreno+Tebow will most likely have more total value over the long term than Cutler.

what? I'm not exactly a Lambchop fan, but ..... dam

jhns
09-20-2011, 09:17 AM
Sorry but that's a myopic perspective. When you value things you need to also consider the future value. Orton+Ayers+Thomas+Moreno+Tebow will most likely have more total value over the long term than Cutler. And you're giving Cutler way too much credit for that NFCCG appearance. Notice how once again he wasn't remotely able to elevate the play of his team against a strong opponent last week and Chi got crushed. You're acting like he's Peyton Manning or something. What a joke.

McFans still acting like McFans. Big surprise...

TonyR
09-20-2011, 09:22 AM
McFans still acting like McFans. Big surprise...

What does this have to do with McDaniels? It's more about people over rating and over valuing one player. If we were talking about Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, etc. you'd have a point. We're talking about Jay Cutler here.

jhns
09-20-2011, 09:24 AM
What does this have to do with McDaniels? It's more about people over rating and over valuing one player. If we were talking about Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, etc. you'd have a point. We're talking about Jay Cutler here.

Hmm, only the die hard McFans think like you and you don't think it has anything to do with being a McFan... Typical McFan stupidity...

I highly doubt we would be able to get two firsts and a third for that group. You keep living in your made up McFan world though.

TonyR
09-20-2011, 09:28 AM
...Typical McFan stupidity...


As opposed to "typical Cutler love" stupidity. The big difference being I'm not a McD fan while you clearly are a Cutler fan.

CEH
09-20-2011, 09:28 AM
Sorry but that's a myopic perspective. When you value things you need to also consider the future value. Orton+Ayers+Thomas+Moreno+Tebow will most likely have more total value over the long term than Cutler. And you're giving Cutler way too much credit for that NFCCG appearance. Notice how once again he wasn't remotely able to elevate the play of his team against a strong opponent last week and Chi got crushed. You're acting like he's Peyton Manning or something. What a joke.

So Cutler has actaully generated future value by being valued as 2 #1s and is currently a starting QB. Tebow is 3rd string and no real indication he has a future in Denver. Orton was close to being on his 3rd team in 3 years. Knowshown is a 3rd down back found any year in the 3rd round. Ayers might be a solid DE. Thomas falls into mass potential if he can return full speed at the WR position but was drafted injured and stil is injured. Zo Smith was a disaster.

Tebow being a QB is the only real future value for a rebuiding team. Not having to plan your draft every year around a possible QB selection is huge in the NFL plus Elway has already chimed in on what he thinks of Jay's value

jhns
09-20-2011, 09:31 AM
As opposed to "typical Cutler love" stupidity. The big difference being I'm not a McD fan while you clearly are a Cutler fan.

You clearly are a McFan. The fact is, McFans try to justify what he did while people living in reality blame him for what he did.

Again, no one is giving up multiple firsts for that group. Two front offices have given up multiple firsts for Cutler. This doesn't jive with your made up McFan reality.

maven
09-20-2011, 09:31 AM
Matt Cassel? Are you f'n serious Josh?

If EFX, Spags, Rex Ryan were selected as head coach Cutler would still be the QB for the Denver Broncos today.

TonyR
09-20-2011, 09:34 AM
what?

Football is a team game. 11 guys on the field. I think it's a reasonable bet that some combo of Ayers/Thomas/Moreno make enough of an overall contribution to approach Cutler's overall contribution, and that doesn't even factor in what Orton contributes and the Tebow wild card. You need to clear the Orton hate and jilted lover nonsense out of your mind to think about this clearly. Is Cutler better than Orton? Obviously. But better than Orton plus the potential contributions of Ayers+Thomas+Moreno+Tebow? No, sorry.

maven
09-20-2011, 09:36 AM
It's pretty sad that right now Johnny Knox is a better WR than Thomas.

jhns
09-20-2011, 09:37 AM
It's pretty sad that right now Johnny Knox is a better WR than Thomas.

Yeah, another part McFans conveniently leave out...

Dedhed
09-20-2011, 09:47 AM
Cutler > Orton given the same line and you know it................

Stepping in dry turd> stepping in fresh diarrhea and you know it.

Dedhed
09-20-2011, 09:54 AM
Matt Cassel? Are you f'n serious Josh?

If EFX, Spags, Rex Ryan were selected as head coach Cutler would still be the QB for the Denver Broncos today.

You're probably right, but I don't know if you can say that definitively. Jay freaked out because Bates was fired, and would have done the same regardless of who the coach was.

HCs very rarely keep assistants from previous regimes, especially those with relatively little experience, like Bates. I think there's a good chance Bates is fired by Spags and Ryan as well, and that Jay still does a poopy dance.

Although they might have been able to reconcile the situation better than McTurd, I think there would have been drama with any of them.

jhns
09-20-2011, 09:57 AM
You're probably right, but I don't know if you can say that definitively. Jay freaked out because Bates was fired, and would have done the same regardless of who the coach was.

HCs very rarely keep assistants from previous regimes, especially those with relatively little experience, like Bates. I think there's a good chance Bates is fired by Spags and Ryan as well, and that Jay still does a poopy dance.

Although they might have been able to reconcile the situation better than McTurd, I think there would have been drama with any of them.

He did not freak out about that. That rumor started after the trade talks and everyone in the organization, including McDaniels, denied it.

I think it is time for McFans to come back to reality. Your hero f'ed up a lot.

Dedhed
09-20-2011, 09:59 AM
Your hero f'ed up a lot.

So did yours.

snowspot66
09-20-2011, 10:00 AM
He did not freak out about that. That rumor started after the trade talks and everyone in the organization, including McDaniels, denied it.

I think it is time for McFans to come back to reality. Your hero f'ed up a lot.

Jesus Christ. The only idiot bringing up McDaniels is you. ****ing hell you're more obsessed with him than anybody on this board. You can't go one post without mentioning him.

CEH
09-20-2011, 10:10 AM
The trust between a QB and HC is imperative to success. This was not lost on Bus Cook and the end result is Culter played McD who lacked the managment skills to defuse the situation and now he's out after 1 1/2 years Cutler (extending to Cook) knew that McD was not prepared. Same can be said of Orton who did not want to deal with the Tebow circus and requested to be traded. Funny how what goes on inside the ropes is not that really complicated

White Dragon
09-20-2011, 10:12 AM
Jesus Christ. The only idiot bringing up McDaniels is you. ****ing hell you're more obsessed with him than anybody on this board. You can't go one post without mentioning him.

That's because he's still mad that he traded his boy toy Jay and can't get over it. He's done the same things over on the official boards.


The fact of the matter is that Cutler is an average quarterback at best. Also, McDaniels is the second worst coach the Broncos have ever had.

Jetmeck
09-20-2011, 10:21 AM
Sorry but that's a myopic perspective. When you value things you need to also consider the future value. Orton+Ayers+Thomas+Moreno+Tebow will most likely have more total value over the long term than Cutler. And you're giving Cutler way too much credit for that NFCCG appearance. Notice how once again he wasn't remotely able to elevate the play of his team against a strong opponent last week and Chi got crushed. You're acting like he's Peyton Manning or something. What a joke.

Dunno bout all that but Orton has a lot of upside if could remotely elevate his play since he starts from the fetal position a hell of a lot.

bowtown
09-20-2011, 10:22 AM
Dunno bout all that but Orton has a lot of upside if could remotely elevate his play since he starts from the fetal position a hell of a lot.

He kind of reminds me of Tom Brady sometimes.

DBroncos4life
09-20-2011, 10:27 AM
Football is a team game. 11 guys on the field. I think it's a reasonable bet that some combo of Ayers/Thomas/Moreno make enough of an overall contribution to approach Cutler's overall contribution, and that doesn't even factor in what Orton contributes and the Tebow wild card. You need to clear the Orton hate and jilted lover nonsense out of your mind to think about this clearly. Is Cutler better than Orton? Obviously. But better than Orton plus the potential contributions of Ayers+Thomas+Moreno+Tebow? No, sorry.

Dont they need to play to make a contribution?

ChampJesusBailey
09-20-2011, 10:28 AM
Why are people comparing a QB, like Jay Cutler, to a caretaker like Kyle Orton? I don't really care what kind of numbers a caretaker puts up, give me an actual QB over a caretaker any day of the week. At least then you have something to be excited about.

Also, lol @ this thread. So funny being reminded of McD's f'ing moronic personnel moves.

Gort
09-20-2011, 10:32 AM
He did not freak out about that. That rumor started after the trade talks and everyone in the organization, including McDaniels, denied it.

I think it is time for McFans to come back to reality. Your hero f'ed up a lot.

Cutler asked for a trade one the same day that McD was hired.

McD was toxic for this franchise, but in the case of Cutler, he was reacting to what Cutler and Bus Cook were doing to provoke a trade. this was all about getting Cutler a new, high $$$ contract. EVERYTHING that went down was deliberately plotted in advance by Cutler's agent.

Mike Klis:

In defense of Josh McDaniels, he never had a chance with Jay Cutler.

On Jan. 12, 2009, the day that McDaniels was officially announced as the Broncos' head coach, Cutler called the front office and demanded a trade, according to three NFL sources.

http://www.denverpost.com/klis/ci_17170363

Woody Paige:

Cutler was a jerk. (And I'm not talking about our relationship; he treated me about the same as he treated everyone else, and I had no real problems with him personally). But he was, and is, a very good quarterback. The Bears are 20-15 since he got there. He wanted out because Josh fired his offensive coordinator.

http://www.denverpost.com/woodysmailbag/ci_18897278

feel free to hate McD as much as you want. we're almost all in agreement that his tenure here was a disaster. however, don't just make up BS so you can have this false persona of "Cutler as victim" to worship.

jhns
09-20-2011, 10:33 AM
That's because he's still mad that he traded his boy toy Jay and can't get over it. He's done the same things over on the official boards.


The fact of the matter is that Cutler is an average quarterback at best. Also, McDaniels is the second worst coach the Broncos have ever had.

LOL

I don't even post on the official boards. I was banned like a week after they traded Cutler.

jhns
09-20-2011, 10:35 AM
Cutler asked for a trade one the same day that McD was hired.

McD was toxic for this franchise, but in the case of Cutler, he was reacting to what Cutler and Bus Cook were doing to provoke a trade. this was all about getting Cutler a new, high $$$ contract. EVERYTHING that went down was deliberately plotted in advance by Cutler's agent.

Mike Klis:



http://www.denverpost.com/klis/ci_17170363

Woody Paige:



http://www.denverpost.com/woodysmailbag/ci_18897278

feel free to hate McD as much as you want. we're almost all in agreement that his tenure here was a disaster. however, don't just make up BS so you can have this false persona for "Cutler as victim" to worship.

Bowlen said it never happened. McDaniels said it never happened. Cutler said it never happened. Cutlers agent said it nevee happened.

You McFans actually think you know more than the people involved, how cute.

You know what makes your "proof" retarded? They don't even agree on the time or cause. This isn't a red flag for McFan logic though.

jhns
09-20-2011, 10:37 AM
Jesus Christ. The only idiot bringing up McDaniels is you. ****ing hell you're more obsessed with him than anybody on this board. You can't go one post without mentioning him.

Then stop defending him. He f'd this franchise and you are all still in love with him. Why do you all hate this franchise so much as you claim to be fans?

crawdad
09-20-2011, 10:39 AM
LOL

I don't even post on the official boards. I was banned like a week after they traded Cutler.

Big surprise here!

Gort
09-20-2011, 10:41 AM
Bowlen said it never happened. McDaniels said it never happened. Cutler said it never happened. Cutlers agent said it nevee happened.

You McFans actually think you know mpre than the people involved, how cute.

this is your problem. anyone who doesn't agree with you is automatically a McFan.

you like chopped liver. i don't. therefore i must be a McFan.
you lust for Cutler. i don't. therefore i must be a McFan.
you TIVO "glee" and "dancing with the morons" and re-watch them over and over and over. i don't. therefore i must be a McFan.

newsflash for you. i hate McD because of what he did to the Broncos. i hate Cutler because he's a douchebag. by hate, i of course mean "hate" in the sense of a fan. i don't wish ill will on them in their personal lives. i just want them to be failures in the NFL from this day forward. so how am i a McFan? i'm not, but you can't actually argue your position on merit... you have to create this false premise for why somebody doesn't agree with you. it's dumb. it's lazy. it's the the type of reasoning i expect from people with IQs below room temperature.

jhns
09-20-2011, 10:44 AM
this is your problem. anyone who doesn't agree with you is automatically a McFan.

you like chopped liver. i don't. therefore i must be a McFan.
you lust for Cutler. i don't. therefore i must be a McFan.
you TIVO "glee" and "dancing with the morons" and re-watch them over and over and over. i don't. therefore i must be a McFan.

newsflash for you. i hate McD because of what he did to the Broncos. i hate Cutler because he's a douchebag. by hate, i of course mean "hate" in the sense of a fan. i don't wish ill will on them in their personal lives. i just want them to be failures in the NFL from this day forward. so how am i a McFan? i'm not, but you can't actually argue your position on merit... you have to create this false premise for why somebody doesn't agree with you. it's dumb. it's lazy. it's the the type of reasoning i expect from people with IQs below room temperature.

No, a McFan is someone that defends McDaniels moves. You are still trying to justify them...

McFan is also used as a name for anyone that just follows whatever the franchise does and claims they can never be wrong, like many defending Orton now. This doesn't apply to this thread though. You are McFans that are still trying to justify what he did here. Very sad...

bendog
09-20-2011, 10:44 AM
Also, lol @ this thread. So funny being reminded of McD's f'ing moronic personnel moves.

this

Gort
09-20-2011, 10:44 AM
Bowlen said it never happened. McDaniels said it never happened. Cutler said it never happened. Cutlers agent said it nevee happened.

You McFans actually think you know more than the people involved, how cute.

You know what makes your "proof" retarded? They don't even agree on the time or cause. This isn't a red flag for McFan logic though.

BTW. that link to Woody is from something he wrote 5 days ago. all of the Denver sportswriters are privy to what actually happened behind the scenes even if the principals cannot and will not admit to the facts publicly. it's been more than 2 years since it all went down. i'm pretty sure that somebody with the connections at Dove Valley like Woody Paige knows the real story. if he wrote a mere 5 days ago that Cutler was the one who started all of that drama by demanding/asking for a trade on the day McD was hired, then i would say that's a pretty credible source.

jhns
09-20-2011, 10:46 AM
BTW. that link to Woody is from something he wrote 5 days ago. all of the Denver sportswriters are privy to what actually happened behind the scenes even if the principals cannot and will not admit to the facts publicly. it's been more than 2 years since it all went down. i'm pretty sure that somebody with the connections at Dove Valley like Woody Paige knows the real story. if he wrote a mere 5 days ago that Cutler was the one who started all of that drama by demanding/asking for a trade on the day McD was hired, then i would say that's a pretty credible source.

Your sources say two different things. Do you know why that is? Because they aren't going off facts. If they were, it wouod be impossible to have two different stories...

Again, McFans are idiots.

Gort
09-20-2011, 10:47 AM
No, a McFan is someone that defends McDaniels moves. You are still trying to justify them...

McFan is also used as a name for anyone that just follows whatever the franchise does and claims they can never be wrong, like many defending Orton now. This doesn't apply to this thread though. You are McFans that are still trying to justify what he did here. Very sad...

not justifying. just relaying history as it actually occurred. i'm glad Cutler is gone. he's Chicago's headache now. i'm glad McD is gone. it turned out he was a paranoid little prick with a Napoleon complex. but you can't rewrite history to suit your argument. that's the kind of BS that the Soviets used to do.

Gort
09-20-2011, 10:48 AM
Your sources say two different things. Do you know why that is? Because they aren't going off facts. If they were, it wouod be impossible to have two different stories...

Again, McFans are idiots.

they both say the same thing... that Cutler wanted out as soon as he found out Bates was gone.

jhns
09-20-2011, 10:49 AM
not justifying. just relaying history as it actually occurred. i'm glad Cutler is gone. he's Chicago's headache now. i'm glad McD is gone. it turned out he was a paranoid little prick with a Napoleon complex. but you can't rewrite history to suit your argument. that's the kind of BS that the Soviets used to do.

The McFan version of history, sure. If only McFans actually knew what a fact is..

Gort
09-20-2011, 10:50 AM
The McFan version of history, sure. If only McFans actually knew what a fact is..

good lord... you're an idiot. are you 14 years old? cause you act like you're 14.

i made a mistake trying to give you facts. your skull is apparently a fact-free zone.

DBroncos4life
09-20-2011, 10:52 AM
Big surprise here!

It was a wonderful time while he was gone too!

White Dragon
09-20-2011, 10:52 AM
The McFan version of history, sure. If only McFans actually knew what a fact is..

Are you a fan of or do you like any of the following players? Brian Dawkins, Andre Goodman, Brandon Lloyd, Eric Decker, Jason Hunter or Britton Colquitt?

Steve Prefontaine
09-20-2011, 10:54 AM
I'm not going to read OP or any of thread.

But I'll bet Popps posted at least once bashing Cutler. Book it!

Gort
09-20-2011, 10:54 AM
Are you a fan of or do you like any of the following players? Brian Dawkins, Andre Goodman, Brandon Lloyd, Eric Decker, Jason Hunter or Britton Colquitt?

:thumbsup:

http://fumaga.com/i/see-what-you-did-there-house.jpg

Eldorado
09-20-2011, 11:00 AM
The McFan version of history, sure. If only McFans actually knew what a fact is..

I figured out why I thought you had called for shanny's head! It was lex that did it, and you? You remind me of lex.

Dedhed
09-20-2011, 11:06 AM
Are you a fan of or do you like any of the following players? Brian Dawkins, Andre Goodman, Brandon Lloyd, Eric Decker, Jason Hunter or Britton Colquitt?

He won't answer that.

White Dragon
09-20-2011, 11:11 AM
He won't answer that.

That's become pretty obvious at this point.

His theory is that if you support any of the moves McDaniels made, you become a 'McFan' yet there are several players still on the team he brought in and are doing well.

I supported some of the moves he made, but he honestly is the second worst coach in Broncos history (Lou Saban gets the #1 spot).

I still believe the Cutler trade was a great move, however the usage of the draft picks was sub par to say the least.

snowspot66
09-20-2011, 11:25 AM
Then stop defending him. He f'd this franchise and you are all still in love with him. Why do you all hate this franchise so much as you claim to be fans?

Christ you're dense. Who is defending McDaniels here? WHO? I haven't said **** for or against him in this thread. YOU brought him up. Give. It. A. Rest.

Dumbass.

Dedhed
09-20-2011, 11:26 AM
That's become pretty obvious at this point.

His theory is that if you support any of the moves McDaniels made, you become a 'McFan' yet there are several players still on the team he brought in and are doing well.

I supported some of the moves he made, but he honestly is the second worst coach in Broncos history (Lou Saban gets the #1 spot).

I still believe the Cutler trade was a great move, however the usage of the draft picks was sub par to say the least.

Agreed.

bowtown
09-20-2011, 11:34 AM
Jhzz went to the movies on a date the other night to see Spy Kids 4D. He thought it kicked so much ass. His date didn't think it was very good. He now only refers to her as a McFan.

True Story

jhns
09-20-2011, 11:35 AM
good lord... you're an idiot. are you 14 years old? cause you act like you're 14.

i made a mistake trying to give you facts. your skull is apparently a fact-free zone.

Facts? LOL

You are obviously having a hard time figuring out what a fact is.

jhns
09-20-2011, 11:50 AM
Christ you're dense. Who is defending McDaniels here? WHO? I haven't said **** for or against him in this thread. YOU brought him up. Give. It. A. Rest.

Dumbass.

You are defending McFans. Who is trying to justify his moves? Eveyone making **** up about Cutler and saying that it was good for this team.

Sure, giving away all the talent was great. That is why we were half as talented when McD left...

Gort
09-20-2011, 11:53 AM
Facts? LOL

You are obviously having a hard time figuring out what a fact is.

Woody Paige knows alot more about what's really going on in Dove Valley than you, or me, or anyone else on this site. do you dispute this fact?

here's another question from his mailbag column this week.

Woody, they say there's no sense beating a dead horse other than for the sheer joy of it. (I'm paraphrasing.) Which is why I bring up a recent online poll done by your very own Denver Post asking readers what they thought was the worst blunder ever made by the boy blunder himself, Josh McDaniels. Drafts, trades, fashion so many choices. What are your top ten McDaniels McStakes as Broncos head coach?

— Damon, Golden

Damon, off the top of my mindless head:

1. The Cutler trade. (As I said, Cutler demanded a trade, despite what you've read, once McDaniels fired Cutler's offensive coordinator (Jeremy Bates).

2. Trading Peyton Hillis for Brady Quinn, although at the time didn't seem that bad.

3. Drafting Knowshon Moreno (who hasn't been much and was a bad pick).

4. Drafting Tim Tebow (because of all the mess in Denver since).

5. Drafting Demaryius Thomas (who, some forget, was drafted ahead of Tebow. The Broncos could have picked Dez Bryant instead, among others).

6. Hiring his buddy Steve Scarnecchia (who had been involved in the Patriots Spygate) as video director, then not reporting it when Scarnecchia illegally taped the 49ers walk-through (which turned out to speed up McDaniels' firing).

7. The firing of Mike Nolan as defensive coordinator after Nolan actually had improved the defense, but the two couldn't get along.

8. The drafting of Robert Ayers in the first round, the trades to draft Alphonso Smith and Richard Quinn (I combine both), then the trading of Smith, who became a starter in Detroit.

9. The hoodie (in private, I kept telling him to change his gear so he didn't look like Belichick Jr., but he just smirked at me, and never understood).

10. A tie: His 2009 draft, his 2010 draft, his continued refusal to acknowledge the defensive issues, his offensive game plans, changing his mind after he had decided to trade Orton before the 2010 season (being talked out of it), his decision to totally take over the draft and the running of the football operation, his choice to hire a family member and friends. You sure you don't want me to do my top 50 because I'm leaving out so many?

Top 10 things he did right:

1. Uh.

you can see, Woody is not a "McFan". he states emphatically that Cutler was the one who wanted out once he found out Bates was fired. if Woody says that's the case, then that's alot more credible than anything you have to say. Woody has access to Dove Valley and is a longtime sportswriter in Denver. you don't have access to Dove Valley and you're a nobody. stick your head in the sand all you want, i don't care. but your timeline of events is not factual.

i'm going to coin a new term for you and anybody who expresses unconditional love for Cutler on this forum... you are a BlowJay.

jhns
09-20-2011, 11:56 AM
Woody Paige knows alot more about what's really going on in Dove Valley than you, or me, or anyone else on this site. do you dispute this fact?

here's another question from his mailbag column this week.



you can see, Woody is not a "McFan". he states emphatically that Cutler was the one who wanted out once he found out Bates was fired. if Woody says that's the case, then that's alot more credible than anything you have to say. Woody has access to Dove Valley and is a longtime sportswriter in Denver. you don't have access to Dove Valley and you're a nobody. stick your head in the sand all you want, i don't care. but your timeline of events is not factual.

i'm going to coin a new term for you and anybody who expresses unconditional love for Cutler on this forum... you are a BlowJay.

LOL

Who cares what Woody says? The people in the situation know a lot more than him and it isn't hard to find many articles were Woody made **** up.

Again, you don't know what a fact is.

bendog
09-20-2011, 11:58 AM
True, but the owner told Lambchop that bates was safe. And McD's ego is such that he wanted to prove he could build the next Brady. I'm not defending Lambchop, but no one can lay it solely at his feet.

And I'm certainly not defending jhns. Arguing with the "Josh" crew has probably driven him insane. It would do that to me, too.

Gort
09-20-2011, 12:06 PM
LOL

Who cares what Woody says? The people in the situation know a lot more than him and it isn't hard to find many articles were Woody made **** up.

Again, you don't know what a fact is.

Woody as a sportswriter? i couldn't give a rat's ass about. and i don't care about his opinions. but when he is relaying facts, he has credibility. all i'm trying to do is tell you that you believe a timeline that is not accurate. you can still love Cutler and think he's the cat's meow for all i care. that's a different argument. you can take that up with other people. but your assertion that McD was the one who ran Cutler out of town is wrong. Cutler wanted Bates to stay and wanted a big $$$ contract. there was a personality problem between McD and Cutler. Bus Cook then used this situation to force the Broncos hand and deal Cutler. the person most responsible for Cutler leaving was Cutler's agent. Cutler was the 2nd most responsible. after that McD, and then finally Bowlen. that's how it went down.

you can go ahead and mourn the trade considering the talent given up and the talent received if you want. again, that's your prerogative. but it's just not accurate to treat Cutler as the victim.

bendog
09-20-2011, 12:09 PM
Woody as a sportswriter? i couldn't give a rat's ass about. and i don't care about his opinions. but when he is relaying facts, he has credibility. all i'm trying to do is tell you that you believe a timeline that is not accurate. you can still love Cutler and think he's the cat's meow for all i care. that's a different argument. you can take that up with other people. but your assertion that McD was the one who ran Cutler out of town is wrong. Cutler wanted Bates to stay and wanted a big $$$ contract. there was a personality problem between McD and Cutler. Bus Cook then used this situation to force the Broncos hand and deal Cutler. the person most responsible for Cutler leaving was Cutler's agent. Cutler was the 2nd most responsible. after that McD, and then finally Bowlen. that's how it went down.

you can go ahead and mourn the trade considering the talent given up and the talent received if you want. again, that's your prerogative. but it's just not accurate to treat Cutler as the victim.

but McD was wooing sand cassell and listening to offers for Lambchop before Bus Cook went to work. Lambchop would still be here if the idiot owner had not taken a flier on McDouche and instead hired a defensive guy and kept the offensive team of Dennison, Turner and Bates.

And that's not to say I'm a big Lambchop guy. Well, I am literally, but ....

bronco militia
09-20-2011, 12:09 PM
Yahoo! Sports apologizes for story alleging Broncos cheating



http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/mar/05/yahoo-sports-apologizes-story-alleging-broncos-che/

Gort
09-20-2011, 12:11 PM
True, but the owner told Lambchop that bates was safe. And McD's ego is such that he wanted to prove he could build the next Brady. I'm not defending Lambchop, but no one can lay it solely at his feet.

And I'm certainly not defending jhns. Arguing with the "Josh" crew has probably driven him insane. It would do that to me, too.

McD is/was a real piece of work. there are lots of stories out of Dove Valley about how miserable people were during his tenure. guy must have huge insecurities to treat people the way he did. and i do think McD was willing to listen to offers for Cutler especially once he found out Cutler wasn't too happy. it dove-tailed nicely with the instinct of some new coaches to come in and clean house and replace players from the previous regime with their own players (BTW, if ever there was an omen of things to come that we all missed it was McD getting rid of our long snapper almost immediately after arriving!!!). i also think a HC has the right to want to trade anyone he wants. no player should have a veto over whether they can be traded or not. that's just insane to give them that power.

jhns
09-20-2011, 12:11 PM
Woody as a sportswriter? i couldn't give a rat's ass about. and i don't care about his opinions. but when he is relaying facts, he has credibility. all i'm trying to do is tell you that you believe a timeline that is not accurate. you can still love Cutler and think he's the cat's meow for all i care. that's a different argument. you can take that up with other people. but your assertion that McD was the one who ran Cutler out of town is wrong. Cutler wanted Bates to stay and wanted a big $$$ contract. there was a personality problem between McD and Cutler. Bus Cook then used this situation to force the Broncos hand and deal Cutler. the person most responsible for Cutler leaving was Cutler's agent. Cutler was the 2nd most responsible. after that McD, and then finally Bowlen. that's how it went down.

you can go ahead and mourn the trade considering the talent given up and the talent received if you want. again, that's your prerogative. but it's just not accurate to treat Cutler as the victim.

And again, you are compketely wrong according to EVERYONE in that situation.

Woody has credibility? Since when? He said like two months ago that Orton wasn't working out with anyone and Tebow is. The next day there is an interview with players talking about their workouts with Orton and how Tebow has been going on golf outings... The guy has zero credibility.

Cutler can't trade himself. The only person responsible for the trade is McDaniels.

You don't have a single thing correct in your little theory.

bendog
09-20-2011, 12:12 PM
Yahoo! Sports apologizes for story alleging Broncos cheating



http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/mar/05/yahoo-sports-apologizes-story-alleging-broncos-che/

wow. that makes no sense. Shanny had 15 or so scripted plays he ran in the first qtr, and it's not like we had a defensive coordinator who could have benefited from seeing SDs walkthrough.

Gort
09-20-2011, 12:14 PM
but McD was wooing sand cassell and listening to offers for Lambchop before Bus Cook went to work. Lambchop would still be here if the idiot owner had not taken a flier on McDouche and instead hired a defensive guy and kept the offensive team of Dennison, Turner and Bates.

And that's not to say I'm a big Lambchop guy. Well, I am literally, but ....

McD and Cutler were doomed from the beginning. Cutler as a rookie was given too much importance by Shanny. that went to his head. McD is a paranoid little prick. with Shanny and Bates gone, and Cutler feeling a bit too full of himself, it was bound to blow up anyway. even if Cutler had stayed, something would have happened in 2009 to sour the relationship. i think Bus Cook has his fingerprint all over what happened. just read up on the crap he was pulling behind the scenes with Favre and Green Bay.

broncosteven
09-20-2011, 12:15 PM
It's hard to believe that the Bears would spend all that money on Cutler and then not do much to protect him. That offensive line is embarrassing. He's not even finished with a five step drop back and defenders are running right at him.

duh bears tried to make some changes.

The thing is that they have neglected the O and have been burnt by busts like Enis and Benson when they did try to address it.

They drafted a tackle who looked pretty good, but they let Kreutz go moved a guard to C and the old RT to G. It sort of worked until Carimi(sp?) went down.

The other issue is that they lost 2 1st round picks they needed to draft OL with on Cutler, then they blew a 2nd round pick on a guy who ended up passing away within a year of the trade. That is 3 high picks and only 1 player, who is undersiege right now.

Then you have the WR issue, they had to convert a CB to WR, they have a possession guy, Knox and Roy Williams, none of those guys would be more than a #3 WR on any other team.

It doesn't excuse the pouting, especially when his team mate had buried his mother that week.

If I were Jays agent I would tell him to get his nose in the pictures of alignments and at least look like he is trying to find an adjustment rather than be filmed at the other end of the bench 10 yards from anyone else.

Bears win when they get a Defensive TD, and a long kick return, when they have to stop blitzes they are in a ton of trouble.

Gort
09-20-2011, 12:21 PM
And again, you are compketely wrong according to EVERYONE in that situation.

Woody has credibility? Since when? He said like two months ago that Orton wasn't working out with anyone and Tebow is. The next day there is an interview with players talking about their workouts with Orton and how Tebow has been going on golf outings... The guy has zero credibility.

Cutler can't trade himself. The only person responsible for the trade is McDaniels.

You don't have a single thing correct in your little theory.

so using your logic, i guess your saying that Woody is either always right or always wrong so therefor all you have to do is find 1 thing from Woody that you think isn't accurate and that therefore invalidates everything he's ever written? that sounds about right for your reasoning ability i suppose. well, i am not getting suckered into DEFENDING Woody Paige. believe what you want. believe your fairytale where Cutler is your own personal Prince Charming. i don't care. i don't care about Cutler. i don't care about McD. this team is in desperate need of fixing no matter what went down between those 2 losers form the past. i'm done with this silliness with you. somebody else can get into it with you. it's just a waste of my time to respond to you on this subject any more.

jhns
09-20-2011, 12:23 PM
Are you a fan of or do you like any of the following players? Brian Dawkins, Andre Goodman, Brandon Lloyd, Eric Decker, Jason Hunter or Britton Colquitt?

Of course. Hunter wasn't a McD guy though. Lloyd and Dawkins were great moves. Decker seems good so far and Goodman was good for a year...

jhns
09-20-2011, 12:24 PM
so using your logic, i guess your saying that Woody is either always right or always wrong so therefor all you have to do is find 1 thing from Woody that you think isn't accurate and that therefore invalidates everything he's ever written? that sounds about right for your reasoning ability i suppose. well, i am not getting suckered into DEFENDING Woody Paige. believe what you want. believe your fairytale where Cutler is your own personal Prince Charming. i don't care. i don't care about Cutler. i don't care about McD. this team is in desperate need of fixing no matter what went down between those 2 losers form the past. i'm done with this silliness with you. somebody else can get into it with you. it's just a waste of my time to respond to you on this subject any more.

I'm saying that you don't know what a fact is. No need to make this more complicated than it is.

Gort
09-20-2011, 12:30 PM
I'm saying that you don't know what a fact is. No need to make this more complicated than it is.

Woody says in his column 5 days ago, as a fact, that Cutler was the one who forced his way out of town.

if you think it's not a fact, then put up real evidence (from an equally credible source with access to Dove Valley) to the contrary, not speculation from 1 or 2 years ago.

if you can't, then STFU.

PS, Woody is not grinding his axe here. he's not defending McD. he's not excoriating Cutler. in fact he's complimentary towards Cutler in that same column, and he eviscerates McD's tenure here. what possible reason would he have to "make something up" in his column? give me any sort of reasonable answer other than calling everyone else a McFan, and i'll listen.

if you can't, again, then STFU.

Peoples Champ
09-20-2011, 12:32 PM
Actually, John Elway was seen as a whiny, entitled brat, especially outside of Denver.



I was more talking on the field, it terms if their play.

Elway was sacked a ton, all time sack leader, but he still got the job done. So you don't hear about it.

Cutler gets sacked a ton and doesnt get the job done. All I hear is he needs a better Oline, he needs better receivers. Im just saying that people find excuses for Jay.

Gort
09-20-2011, 12:38 PM
I was more talking on the field, it terms if their play.

Elway was sacked a ton, all time sack leader, but he still got the job done. So you don't hear about it.

Cutler gets sacked a ton and doesnt get the job done. All I hear is he needs a better Oline, he needs better receivers. Im just saying that people find excuses for Jay.

water is wet.
blue sky is blue.
emo QB is emo.

bendog
09-20-2011, 12:45 PM
McD and Cutler were doomed from the beginning. Cutler as a rookie was given too much importance by Shanny. that went to his head. McD is a paranoid little prick. with Shanny and Bates gone, and Cutler feeling a bit too full of himself, it was bound to blow up anyway. even if Cutler had stayed, something would have happened in 2009 to sour the relationship. i think Bus Cook has his fingerprint all over what happened. just read up on the crap he was pulling behind the scenes with Favre and Green Bay.

My personal view, and I have nothing to back this up, is that Lambchop wanted to bust up McD from very early on. I posted here that McD's first mistake was not getting in Bowlen's jet and going down to Mexico, or wherever Lambchop was vactationing, and playing some golf and selling him on his offensive scheme. We've seen the numbers Orton put up in that scheme, and Lambchop is many times better than Orton. He certainly wouldn't be taking the beating he's getting with Martz. But it might very well be that Lambchop wasn't gonna play nice with anyone who changed the offensive scheme at all.

But the reality is, as you put it, the new coach wants it his way. Marcus Thomas ran afoul of Urban Meyer, but he's not been any trouble in Den. Lambchop's the Frown Cannon. Ulracher was initially worried Cutler would cut into his media time, but the fact is that Cutler at best doesn't like the media. He seems pretty unpleasant, but he hasn't raped anyone or killed dogs.

I will never stop believing that Morris woudl have taken Orakpo and Earl Thomas, and the day Bowlen hired McD was the worst day since Lou Saban traded two firsts for steve tensi.

bendog
09-20-2011, 12:47 PM
I was more talking on the field, it terms if their play.

Elway was sacked a ton, all time sack leader, but he still got the job done. So you don't hear about it.

Cutler gets sacked a ton and doesnt get the job done. All I hear is he needs a better Oline, he needs better receivers. Im just saying that people find excuses for Jay.

I heard about it all through the three superbowl losses from my Bears and St. Louis Rams friends.

BroncosSR
09-20-2011, 12:49 PM
Woody Paige knows alot more about what's really going on in Dove Valley than you, or me, or anyone else on this site. do you dispute this fact?

here's another question from his mailbag column this week.



you can see, Woody is not a "McFan". he states emphatically that Cutler was the one who wanted out once he found out Bates was fired. if Woody says that's the case, then that's alot more credible than anything you have to say. Woody has access to Dove Valley and is a longtime sportswriter in Denver. you don't have access to Dove Valley and you're a nobody. stick your head in the sand all you want, i don't care. but your timeline of events is not factual.

i'm going to coin a new term for you and anybody who expresses unconditional love for Cutler on this forum... you are a BlowJay.

Per Chris Mortenson (whom I trust more than Paige any day of the week),

Cutler met with rookie Denver head coach Josh McDaniels on Saturday, in an attempt to rectify a relationship that was damaged when the Broncos apparently made a run at trading for Matt Cassel. The talk, though, did not go well, with Cutler telling Mortenson: "I went in there with every intention of solving the issue, being a Bronco, moving forward as a Bronco," Cutler said. "We weren't in there but about 20 minutes, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I'm concerned, he made it clear he wants his own guy."

I would ask for a trade too if my HC made it clear he wants somebody else. Wouldn't you?

BroncosSR
09-20-2011, 12:52 PM
Matt Cassel? Are you f'n serious Josh?

If EFX, Spags, Rex Ryan were selected as head coach Cutler would still be the QB for the Denver Broncos today.

And probably still have a bad ass receiver in Marshall too.


The list goes even further i.e. Hillis, Scheffler.

The fact in the matter is that McD had a very potent offense when he became HC.

Dedhed
09-20-2011, 12:52 PM
FWIW, I saw a lot of "mopey jay" in Cam Newton this weekend.

After his 2nd and third INTs he's just sitting alone on the bench with a towel over his head instead of looking at pictures to try and figure out what went wrong, talking to WRs about getting on the same page, etc.

The media will no doubt be knobbing Cam going forward, but it will be interesting to watch him develop. Despite throwing for 400+ yards again, he was pretty bad from where I sat. He made poor decisions and even worse throws on numerous occasions.

Of course a lot of that can be chalked up to rookie mistakes, but if he's going to play frown cannon jr and thinks he's above coaching, he isn't going to develop out of those tendencies.

jhns
09-20-2011, 12:55 PM
Woody says in his column 5 days ago, as a fact, that Cutler was the one who forced his way out of town.

if you think it's not a fact, then put up real evidence (from an equally credible source with access to Dove Valley) to the contrary, not speculation from 1 or 2 years ago.

if you can't, then STFU.

PS, Woody is not grinding his axe here. he's not defending McD. he's not excoriating Cutler. in fact he's complimentary towards Cutler in that same column, and he eviscerates McD's tenure here. what possible reason would he have to "make something up" in his column? give me any sort of reasonable answer other than calling everyone else a McFan, and i'll listen.

if you can't, again, then STFU.

You don't know what a fact is, period...

Woody makes **** up all the time and you don't think this invalidates him as a source for facts. Everyone involved says you are wrong and you think you are giving facts. You sure are a special individual.

Gort
09-20-2011, 01:01 PM
You don't know what a fact is, period...

Woody makes **** up all the time and you don't think this invalidates him as a source for facts. Everyone involved says you are wrong and you think you are giving facts. You sure are a special individual.

here are 4 indisputable facts:

1) i don't care what you believe.
2) Cutler is an ass.
3) McD is an ass.
4) you're an ass.

jhns
09-20-2011, 01:04 PM
here are 4 indisputable facts:

1) i don't care what you believe.
2) Cutler is an ass.
3) McD is an ass.
4) you're an ass.

You should really just cut the word fact out of your vocabulary. You are embarrassing yourself at this point.

Blueflame
09-20-2011, 01:08 PM
Umm but jaysus was not the prime reason that got them to that game. And once he was hurt he folded like a cheap tent in a tornado.

I do have to give him credit for improvement in his TD to turnover ratio. And he had a couple of good games.

But that defense is studly. Without that and a decent RB he is Orton w-l wise.

I always find it amusing that his OL is to blame for everything bad about jay.
Yet is has no bearing on Ortons play.

Now I'll never say that Orton is a pro bowler and frankly if you are honest with yourselves rivers out played him for that last spot when he did get in.

That said enjoy your lovefest over jay. He will once again prove what loser he is somewhere down the line.

Nonetheless, my take is that if we'd had a different (experienced) HC who kept Cutler and addressed the defense (which was where we needed to expend resources), then perhaps we might see an AFCC game at some point in the near future.... certainly sooner than we will now dealing with the aftermath of "Hurricane Josh".

BroncosSR
09-20-2011, 01:10 PM
Nonetheless, my take is that if we'd had a different (experienced) HC who kept Cutler and addressed the defense (which was where we needed to expend resources), then perhaps we might see an AFCC game at some point in the near future.... certainly sooner than we will now dealing with the aftermath of "Hurricane Josh".

Exactly. Now we're years away from the AFCCG.

bendog
09-20-2011, 01:11 PM
Per Chris Mortenson (whom I trust more than Paige any day of the week),

Cutler met with rookie Denver head coach Josh McDaniels on Saturday, in an attempt to rectify a relationship that was damaged when the Broncos apparently made a run at trading for Matt Cassel. The talk, though, did not go well, with Cutler telling Mortenson: "I went in there with every intention of solving the issue, being a Bronco, moving forward as a Bronco," Cutler said. "We weren't in there but about 20 minutes, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I'm concerned, he made it clear he wants his own guy."

I would ask for a trade too if my HC made it clear he wants somebody else. Wouldn't you?

The head coach wanted someone else after the qb objected to who the head coach wanted as qb coach. There may have been talks about how much they thought Lambchop would bring in a trade and how much Sand Cassell would cost, but it was AFTER the bates fiasco with Bowlen saying Bates stayed and McD saying no he didn't, that trading Lambchop became a necessity. That doesn't mean one guy is 100% good and the other 100% bad, but there were two big egos in there. Bottom line, coach runs the team.

However, contrast the way Elway and Fox put together Fox's staff and what McD did. McD was in wayyyy over his head.

Blueflame
09-20-2011, 01:12 PM
Sorry but that's a myopic perspective. When you value things you need to also consider the future value. Orton+Ayers+Thomas+Moreno+Tebow will most likely have more total value over the long term than Cutler. And you're giving Cutler way too much credit for that NFCCG appearance. Notice how once again he wasn't remotely able to elevate the play of his team against a strong opponent last week and Chi got crushed. You're acting like he's Peyton Manning or something. What a joke.

No one would give us more than a third rounder at most for any of those players, Tony.

bendog
09-20-2011, 01:13 PM
btw, I didn't want the toe sucker guy. And Spags glasses creep me out. Do you really want a head coach who nearly blinded himself in HS chemistry? That reminds me of the McD years. I liked Raheem Morris.

jhns
09-20-2011, 01:15 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=78789

McDaniels says it is never in the best interest of this franchise to trade Cutler. McDaniels saya the trade request before the trade rumors never happened.

You see McFans, even your hero doesn't agree with anything you say.

ghwk
09-20-2011, 01:17 PM
My personal view, and I have nothing to back this up, is that Lambchop wanted to bust up McD from very early on. I posted here that McD's first mistake was not getting in Bowlen's jet and going down to Mexico, or wherever Lambchop was vactationing, and playing some golf and selling him on his offensive scheme. We've seen the numbers Orton put up in that scheme, and Lambchop is many times better than Orton. He certainly wouldn't be taking the beating he's getting with Martz. But it might very well be that Lambchop wasn't gonna play nice with anyone who changed the offensive scheme at all.

But the reality is, as you put it, the new coach wants it his way. Marcus Thomas ran afoul of Urban Meyer, but he's not been any trouble in Den. Lambchop's the Frown Cannon. Ulracher was initially worried Cutler would cut into his media time, but the fact is that Cutler at best doesn't like the media. He seems pretty unpleasant, but he hasn't raped anyone or killed dogs.

I will never stop believing that Morris woudl have taken Orakpo and Earl Thomas, and the day Bowlen hired McD was the worst day since Lou Saban traded two firsts for steve tensi.

Hilarious! Hilarious!

WolfpackGuy
09-20-2011, 01:19 PM
McClueless was an idiot.

Any other coach would've put together a halfway decent defense BY NOW which is all they freakin needed with that roster at the end of 2008.

ghwk
09-20-2011, 01:22 PM
bite me.

No dude you have it wrong, that quote made me laugh, I loved it. I remember Tensi...

bendog
09-20-2011, 01:23 PM
McClueless was an idiot.

Any other coach would've put together a halfway decent defense BY NOW which is all they freakin needed with that roster at the end of 2008.

needed more guys on the oline and rb depth, but you're right. Although, I could stomach the Lambchop trade on the reasoning that giving Cutler a lifetime contract might be risky, but if you do that, you at least have to pick up a Josh Freeman or at least put a Colt McCoy in an offense he can run, and add another probowl caliber defender.

bendog
09-20-2011, 01:24 PM
No dude you have it wrong, that quote made me laugh, I loved it. I remember Tensi...

I apologize. ps, I didn't know anyone else remembered him. I've never been sure whether it was all him or the hits he took. I recall he had two seperated shoulders in one year.

http://www.seminoles.com/genrel/tensi_steve00.html

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-20-2011, 01:27 PM
Did I wind up in the wayback machine? Christ, it's like two years ago in here.

broncswin
09-20-2011, 01:41 PM
Actually Cutler sacks himself and fumbles about as much as Orton does. The difference is Cutler actually sees passing opportunities as a chance to attack down field, and redzone visits as great chances to get touchdowns. Orton sees both as possible disasters and/or great field goal opportunities.

Ya Cutler finds the endzone a lot more than Orton...the problem is, did Cutty throw it to the right team, in the endzone??

broncosteven
09-20-2011, 01:42 PM
Per Chris Mortenson (whom I trust more than Paige any day of the week),

Cutler met with rookie Denver head coach Josh McDaniels on Saturday, in an attempt to rectify a relationship that was damaged when the Broncos apparently made a run at trading for Matt Cassel. The talk, though, did not go well, with Cutler telling Mortenson: "I went in there with every intention of solving the issue, being a Bronco, moving forward as a Bronco," Cutler said. "We weren't in there but about 20 minutes, [McDaniels] did most of the talking and as far as I'm concerned, he made it clear he wants his own guy."

I would ask for a trade too if my HC made it clear he wants somebody else. Wouldn't you?

I am not sure mCd wanted his own guy as much as he wanted HIS OWN WAY which is different.

The one thing I would like to know (and I think might put an end to some speculation) is was mCd going to bring Cassel in as a back up or starter.

The thing that has always confused me is that if mCd did pull off the trade for Cassel he would still have needed to shop Cutler. At the time we had no QB behind Cutler so it would have made perfect sense to bring in a career backup who knew the system to be a backup and help teach the system and be there incase Cutler went down or sucked.

If mCd wanted to replace Cassell with Cutler than he is an idiot as Cassel is Steve Bono 2.0 but if he wanted him as a backup then I could have lived with that.

If mCd did want to bring Cassell in as a BU he should have made that clear but my take is that he didn't like being questioned and instead said it is my way or the highway in what became typical mCd fashion. Cutler chose the Highway rather than stick around with an arrogant punk.

Cutler will be a good QB when he grows up, I think he is still immature.

I also think mCd could be falling fast off the radar as young up and coming coaching prospect of any kind if he doesn't start showing improvement at St L. they looked like our bad O from last year. I just don't see why anyone thinks this punk has a shot at being the next big thing in the NFL, Canton high? Maybe.

Blueflame
09-20-2011, 01:42 PM
Did I wind up in the wayback machine? Christ, it's like two years ago in here.

The Mane still isn't finished with criticizing Brian Griese, much less Cutler. Oh, well. :spit:

Blueflame
09-20-2011, 01:45 PM
I am not sure mCd wanted his own guy as much as he wanted HIS OWN WAY which is different.

The one thing I would like to know (and I think might put an end to some speculation) is was mCd going to bring Cassel in as a back up or starter.

The thing that has always confused me is that if mCd did pull off the trade for Cassel he would still have needed to shop Cutler. At the time we had no QB behind Cutler so it would have made perfect sense to bring in a career backup who knew the system to be a backup and help teach the system and be there incase Cutler went down or sucked.

If mCd wanted to replace Cassell with Cutler than he is an idiot as Cassel is Steve Bono 2.0 but if he wanted him as a backup then I could have lived with that.

If mCd did want to bring Cassell in as a BU he should have made that clear but my take is that he didn't like being questioned and instead said it is my way or the highway in what became typical mCd fashion. Cutler chose the Highway rather than stick around with an arrogant punk.

Cutler will be a good QB when he grows up, I think he is still immature.

I also think mCd could be falling fast off the radar as young up and coming coaching prospect of any kind if he doesn't start showing improvement at St L. they looked like our bad O from last year. I just don't see why anyone thinks this punk has a shot at being the next big thing in the NFL, Canton high? Maybe.

The answer to the "Cassel = backup or starter?" question is easily discernible when you look at the contract he signed in KC. No way is any franchise gonna give a player that kind of $$ unless they think they have a starter.

24champ
09-20-2011, 01:50 PM
Did I wind up in the wayback machine? Christ, it's like two years ago in here.

It's sad we aren't even talking about the win over the Bungels. People still obsess over Jay and McD.

bendog
09-20-2011, 01:56 PM
It's sad we aren't even talking about the win over the Bungels. People still obsess over Jay and McD.

4-12 redeaux with Orton at the helm.

Bronx33
09-20-2011, 02:07 PM
Or if Obama was the lineman "Cutler not sacked 85% of the time he drops back!"

And then there would be a series of articles trying to make the <s>recession</s> sacks seem cute and a minor nuisance like "Ten helpful tips to deal with concussions!" and "How one QB is learning to make a linebacker in his face work for his family!"

ROFL!


nearly peed my pants on that one...

broncosteven
09-20-2011, 02:07 PM
4-12 redeaux with Orton at the helm.

I think we can get at least 6 wins this year (double mCd's record last year) and with a few breaks and guys getting healty maybe 9.

Go Broncos!

lonestar
09-20-2011, 02:17 PM
McFans still acting like McFans. Big surprise...

Mikey and jaysus fans still acting like whiny kiddies. Big surprise.

Bronx33
09-20-2011, 02:18 PM
The real question is would the denver post come to kyle ortons rescue Hilarious!

jhns
09-20-2011, 02:39 PM
Mikey and jaysus fans still acting like whiny kiddies. Big surprise.

If you aren't are Shanahan fan, you aren't a Bronco fan.

Archer81
09-20-2011, 02:46 PM
You see McFans, even your hero doesn't agree with anything you say


Obsession.

Its not just for men anymore.


:Broncos:

lonestar
09-20-2011, 05:16 PM
Cutler asked for a trade one the same day that McD was hired.
McD was toxic for this franchise, but in the case of Cutler, he was reacting to what Cutler and Bus Cook were doing to provoke a trade. this was all about getting Cutler a new, high $$$ contract. EVERYTHING that went down was deliberately plotted in advance by Cutler's agent.
Mike Klis:
http://www.denverpost.com/klis/ci_17170363
Woody Paige:
http://www.denverpost.com/woodysmailbag/ci_18897278
feel free to hate McD as much as you want. we're almost all in agreement that his tenure here was a disaster. however, don't just make up BS so you can have this false persona of "Cutler as victim" to worship.

Thanks for bringing a ray of truth sunshine to this thread.
Most folks act as if jaysus was innocent as pure driven snow.
That "big bad Josh" was the only part of that sad ordeal.

I have always believed that he knew he would be ahead accountable for Tye bad decisions tyat he made, because he believed his arm was " stronger than ELways and like him he could force balls into uber tight spots and get aWay with it.

On other forums I have used the" new Jeff George" to describe him as a coach killer because if his arrogance.

He sill maybe I'm thinking if they do nit win it all this year that lovie will be history. That team has to win now because of the age of the d

Circle Orange
09-20-2011, 06:36 PM
Did Jay get a chin lift? I saw him in the post game presser and his staircase was gone.

Funny how when peepul like a qb, it's an individual game. When they don't, it's a team game.

Shoot, I've got no sympathy for the pinhead but I felt bad about the beating he's taking...be careful what you ask for, Jay. You've gone to football purgatory for qbs. Chicago doesn't believe in offense. THREE YARDS AND A CLOUD OF DUST! LET'S GO, MEN! WIN ONE FOR THE GIPPER! REMEMBER RUDY IN HIS HOSPITAL BED!

'Cause they're livin in, like the 1930s. Tradition is fine, but da Bears choke themselves with it. No wonder they still whine about Sid Luckman (whom my dad says was only average). Qbs are an accessory there. But ya wanted Chi-town, sucker...ya got it! http://scosoft.com/s/k/68cb7baf.gif

I think Randall Cunningham's record of 100 sacks is in danger.

maven
09-20-2011, 06:49 PM
I think we can get at least 6 wins this year (double mCd's record last year) and with a few breaks and guys getting healty maybe 9.

Go Broncos!

It's possible. New regime, players playing for jobs and trying to stay. The injuries do not help though. Can possibly win next week. Need almost everyone back for the Packers/Chargers games.

bowtown
09-20-2011, 06:54 PM
http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/cutler-sack8.jpg

Dedhed
09-20-2011, 07:15 PM
http://cdn.ksk.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/cutler-sack8.jpg

I'm no Tony Romo fan, but I wonder if Jaybee would play with a broken rib and punctured lung.

TheDave
09-20-2011, 10:42 PM
You've been one of the more reasonable posters around here since your return, but this is some ridic and blatant hyperbole.

Put it like this... if EFX were given the chance of trading that group for cutler, I bet they would do it.

cutthemdown
09-21-2011, 01:02 AM
Orton would have to get the Broncos a couple game above .500 before he will get any slack. He beat a Bengal team that stinks and has a rookie QB and number 1 WR. Big deal. A team like the Patriots would beat the Broncos by 5 tds.

Miss I.
09-21-2011, 03:00 AM
Orton would have to get the Broncos a couple game above .500 before he will get any slack. He beat a Bengal team that stinks and has a rookie QB and number 1 WR. Big deal. A team like the Patriots would beat the Broncos by 5 tds.

hmm, kind of like this? http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291011007
Oh wait, no, we won that game. Just saying the Pats don't always win and an Orton led Broncos have beaten them before.

KO5K
09-21-2011, 03:20 AM
hmm, kind of like this? http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291011007
Oh wait, no, we won that game. Just saying the Pats don't always win and an Orton led Broncos have beaten them before.

Orton played a key part in that game as well.

cutthemdown
09-21-2011, 03:41 AM
hmm, kind of like this? http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=291011007
Oh wait, no, we won that game. Just saying the Pats don't always win and an Orton led Broncos have beaten them before.

Oh I know any given Sunday. The point is Orton and the Broncos should beat a team with a rookie QB, young team, and one that is usually not very good. I can't lie though I could see Chris Johnson getting well at our expense this weekend. He hasn't broke out, was booed by his fans, and IMO is about ready to bust a big game. Especially with Britt going off, you would think at some point defenses will roll the safetys back and realize he is that good.

Really though don't you agree that the contenders are going to crush the Bengals this yr. Rookie QB, young players every where you look, and not that much overall talent.

We won a close a game. Until Orton beats a good team, puts a couple wins above the mendoza line out there, he won't get any praise from me.

Still I think starting him the right move at this point. Until Broncos players and coaches are convinced Orton can't get it done the switch will happen. It would have been a mistake IMO to let Tebow start before he had either earned it in practice and preseason, or Orton had just crapped the bed during the season.

Who knows still could go either way. Broncos just banged up already though so I don't see it going to well anymore. I had some serious hope at first but wham right off the bat we see the Center isn't much better if any, Moreno still gets hurt, DJ banged up, Lloyd missing time, Warren out before he even played a game etc etc.

I like Orton though don't get me wrong. I think he plays hard but just seems to fumble too much for my taste. Not even just saying that because of the Raider game, just seems like he fumbles quite a bit.

bowtown
09-21-2011, 04:20 AM
Put it like this... if EFX were given the chance of trading that group for cutler, I bet they would do it.

I'd take that bet.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-21-2011, 05:21 AM
I'm no Tony Romo fan, but I wonder if Jaybee would play with a broken rib and punctured lung.

No you don't. You know the answer to that question without asking it.

He couldn't play on a bruised knee in the ****ing Championship Game. He had a thigh bruise against Detroit when he was playing for us and he wouldn't go back in the game.

I'm pretty sure if he had a broken rib and a punctured lung he'd die on the field.

Charmin. Jay Charmin.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-21-2011, 05:22 AM
Orton played a key part in that game as well.

Shhhhhhhhhhh.

NO compliments about Orton allowed.

jhns
09-21-2011, 05:54 AM
McFans are still at it? How have you not realizee how retarded you have been for the past two years?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-21-2011, 07:08 AM
McFans are still at it? How have you not realizee how retarded you have been for the past two years?

Says the guy who's still calling out people as "mcfans."

Apparently your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

jhns
09-21-2011, 07:10 AM
Says the guy who's still calling out people as "mcfans."

Apparently your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Says one of the biggest McFans. You have proven that you don't know the first thing about this sport. Good job.

maven
09-21-2011, 11:58 AM
Jay Cutler still recovering from hits

After being sacked 11 times in the season's first two games, Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler said Wednesday he's unsure he can last the season at this pace.

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"I don't know," Cutler said in a raspy voice, the result of a kick to the throat early in the third quarter of Sunday's 30-13 loss to the New Orleans Saints. "I don't know."

The Saints sacked Cutler six times and hit him 16 times.

"We're two games in, I don't think there's any reason for anybody to hit the panic button," Cutler said. "Those [offensive linemen] are working hard and doing what they have to do. We just have to help them out some."

Cutler was sacked a league-worst 52 times in the 2010 regular season. He was sacked an NFL-record nine times in the first half against the New York Giants last season, and suffered a concussion that kept him out of the second half of the game as well as the following week.

On Sunday, the Bears host the Green Bay Packers, who are tied for fourth in the NFL with seven sacks. And it doesn't help the Bears that starting tackle Gabe Carimi is expected to miss the game because of a partially dislocated kneecap.

When asked about his throat, Cutler said: "It's just a little sore. [The voice is] coming back. Yesterday was worse, so it's getting there.

"Hips [are sore], I'll be ready though. I'm not worried about that at all."


YOU GOT YOUR WISH JAY, HAVE FUN GETTING OBLITERATED IN CHICAGO!

ROFL!

maven
09-21-2011, 12:02 PM
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/167180_1813568466985_1473246195_31978875_2429253_n .jpg

bowtown
09-21-2011, 12:03 PM
I give it 3 more games before he starts throwing people under the bus.

Eldorado
09-21-2011, 12:11 PM
I give it 3 more games before he starts throwing people under the bus.

I'll take the under. GB knocks him around at home? Won't be pretty.

bendog
09-21-2011, 12:27 PM
11 sacks in two games. That's like 88 sacks in a season. Somebody better get thrown under the bus ... Martz. But I still would like someone who has never been on the roster.

HorseHead
09-21-2011, 12:34 PM
that picture rules...nice work..and I actually like Mopey Jay.please tell me those are Kristin Cavalieri's legs....

I think it will turn out to be a strange year...I think we knock off a big dog or two (or maybe just one), but still finish with a so so record..7-9 at best...alright, 6-10..

Mountain Bronco
09-21-2011, 02:14 PM
He is getting killed on 3 step drops. His OC and OL are going to get him killed. Can't blame Cutler to much for this, although i do enjoy watching it go down.

DBroncos4life
09-21-2011, 03:43 PM
No you don't. You know the answer to that question without asking it.

He couldn't play on a bruised knee in the ****ing Championship Game. He had a thigh bruise against Detroit when he was playing for us and he wouldn't go back in the game.

I'm pretty sure if he had a broken rib and a punctured lung he'd die on the field.

Charmin. Jay Charmin.

He is playing with something about 9 other people have played through in their careers.

Archedamian
09-23-2011, 01:10 PM
29246

maven
09-23-2011, 01:12 PM
29246

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgmlbzn6dH1qe0z70o1_400.jpg

jhns
09-23-2011, 01:14 PM
McFans continue making fools of themselves. What else is new?

TonyR
09-23-2011, 01:16 PM
From Simmons' mailbag today:

Q: Fox is making up fake Jay Cutler headlines to make Jay Cutler look bad? Do you really need fake headlines to make Jay Cutler look bad?— Mike, Hoboken

SG: Next thing you know we're going to find out that Celebrity Rehab makes up their fake headlines. Unrelated: Green Bay is gonna kill the Bears. They haven't played a killer start-to-finish game yet. It's coming.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7008208/week-3-picks-pinch-mailbag

maven
09-23-2011, 01:23 PM
http://www.sportsgrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/cutlerbabycostume.jpg

I have to give this guy credit for going to a game looking like that.

Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

Blueflame
09-23-2011, 01:29 PM
http://www.sportsgrid.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/cutlerbabycostume.jpg

I have to give this guy credit for going to a game looking like that.

Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

Holy crap... the way that jersey's bulging, he looks 9 months prego (that's about what my belly looked like 3 weeks before the twins were born).

maven
09-23-2011, 01:43 PM
http://www.abload.de/img/untitleddrsf.jpg

Rock Chalk
09-23-2011, 01:47 PM
Actually Cutler sacks himself and fumbles about as much as Orton does. The difference is Cutler actually sees passing opportunities as a chance to attack down field, and redzone visits as great chances to throw interceptions. Orton sees both as possible disasters and/or great field goal opportunities.

Fixed your post.

Binkythefrog
09-23-2011, 01:53 PM
I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but here it goes:

I think Cutler is as lame as anyone for forcing his way out of Denver. But I feel sorry for him given the punishment he is taking. No matter how much I would despise an player it's not fun to watch a dude get trucked repeatedly, especially when half of the time he is just standing there. I like watching him throw interceptions, and I like watching him quit on his team in the playoffs, but I don't like seeing him get pounded 20 times a game. Hope he doesn't have any long term health issues from getting hit so much.

maven
09-23-2011, 01:59 PM
I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but here it goes:

I think Cutler is as lame as anyone for forcing his way out of Denver. But I feel sorry for him given the punishment he is taking. No matter how much I would despise an player it's not fun to watch a dude get trucked repeatedly, especially when half of the time he is just standing there. I like watching him throw interceptions, and I like watching him quit on his team in the playoffs, but I don't like seeing him get pounded 20 times a game. Hope he doesn't have any long term health issues from getting hit so much.

http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/1264997_o.gif

I think it's great! He's getting beat to a pulp!

Hilarious!

Rohirrim
09-23-2011, 02:06 PM
I hope the Bears make it to the playoffs so I can see Mopey quit again. ;D

Miss I.
09-23-2011, 02:11 PM
I had to admit I really only got the Bears vs Bucs tickets to see how many times Jay throws a red zone interception or gets sacked or fumbles.

Conversely I do feel a little bad for the guy, 11 sacks in 2 games cannot be good for the human body. His O line sucks. I hope they get it together because if they want the guy to stay healthy, not quit in the playoffs and be their long term QBOTF they need to protect him better. But like the immature person I am, sometimes I still enjoy a good QB sack. (as long as it is NOT my QB) ;D

Gort
09-23-2011, 02:20 PM
I know I'm gonna get flamed for this, but here it goes:

I think Cutler is as lame as anyone for forcing his way out of Denver. But I feel sorry for him given the punishment he is taking. No matter how much I would despise an player it's not fun to watch a dude get trucked repeatedly, especially when half of the time he is just standing there. I like watching him throw interceptions, and I like watching him quit on his team in the playoffs, but I don't like seeing him get pounded 20 times a game. Hope he doesn't have any long term health issues from getting hit so much.

if only he were somehow compensated to offset the pain of being sacked and humiliation of being ridiculed by his hometown fans when he fails repeatedly during the games.

i know... what if we could figure out a way for the Bears to pay him money? alot of money. something like $30M through 2013. that should do it. has anyone thought of this yet? i think this idea could really revolutionize the NFL!

wait.

what?

Gort
09-23-2011, 02:22 PM
http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs2/1264997_o.gif

I think it's great! He's getting beat to a pulp!

Hilarious!

that GIF makes me smile. i wonder if that makes me a bad person?

:wave:

bronclvr
09-23-2011, 02:22 PM
Jay knew what he was getting into (going to Chicago)-karmas a b***h-

Momentum
09-23-2011, 03:22 PM
Bears cheap spending has probably cost them 2 Super Bowls in the 2000's. When will they learn? They had a nice squad with Orton that just needed a WR, yet they gave the farm for Jay (the exact same QB statistically) and still haven't upgraded the WRs or the OL. SMH.

Williams
09-23-2011, 11:58 PM
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/broncoking16/cutlerbeetus2.jpg

TomServo
09-23-2011, 11:59 PM
so this is how colts fans felt back when.
"he sucks" "he's a f-n baby" "he will never lead baltimore to anything anyway" "a franchise as proud as the colts is too good for him anyway" " look at him get beat to a pulp in pittburgh what a pssy"
our boy elway was hated and viewed as a puss by the entire league as much cutler is-was in denver. the people that lived the fantasy of dressing as an adult baby in public look like the real pussies compared to the crazed baltimore fans that really really wanted elway killed.
elway Totally said he wouldnt play for baltimore. cutler said he was ready to play for the worst coach in bronco history-saban included.

maven
09-24-2011, 12:04 AM
that GIF makes me smile. i wonder if that makes me a bad person?

:wave:

ROFL!

nah, he's been gone since April 2009. Time to move on and enjoy his beatings he's taking in Chicago.

Archer81
09-24-2011, 12:28 AM
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g18/broncoking16/cutlerbeetus2.jpg


God dammit. I knew he was brainwashed by the reapers.

:Broncos:

Miss I.
09-24-2011, 12:43 AM
Dudes, I just got my ticket to the Bears vs Bucs in London...that's fast for England, Iwasn't expecting them until the week of the game. Seats are decent enough that I might actually get to see Jay throw the red zone interceptions...:-)

vancejohnson82
09-24-2011, 12:52 AM
so this is how colts fans felt back when.
"he sucks" "he's a f-n baby" "he will never lead baltimore to anything anyway" "a franchise as proud as the colts is too good for him anyway" " look at him get beat to a pulp in pittburgh what a pssy"
our boy elway was hated and viewed as a puss by the entire league as much cutler is-was in denver. the people that lived the fantasy of dressing as an adult baby in public look like the real pussies compared to the crazed baltimore fans that really really wanted elway killed.
elway Totally said he wouldnt play for baltimore. cutler said he was ready to play for the worst coach in bronco history-saban included.

yup.....he just compared Cutler to Elway

TomServo
09-24-2011, 12:59 AM
yup.....he just compared Cutler to Elway
accomplishments? no. the hate? Yes.
the hate, most definitley. like a jilted lover. got beat to a pulp and still got into the nfc title game what a loser.

TomServo
09-24-2011, 01:05 AM
my point is imagine what colt fans were thinking back in '83. elway was the devil. and colts fan wanted nothing but ill will towards him. i mean i remember it, they wanted him dead..
denver fans dressed up in thier adult baby garb and embarrassed us all.

Williams
09-24-2011, 01:27 AM
accomplishments? no. the hate? Yes.
the hate, most definitley. like a jilted lover. got beat to a pulp and still got into the nfc title game what a loser.


Please. Baltimore hated Elway because he blew their shot at a legitimate franchise quarterback... arguably the greatest ever. On the contrary, most NFL fans laugh at the emo QB. Really. Only delusional Bear fans and scorned Bronco fan/Cutler fanboys think Cutler “franchise.” It's sad and funny at the same time... but mostly sad.

vancejohnson82
09-24-2011, 01:32 AM
accomplishments? no. the hate? Yes.
the hate, most definitley. like a jilted lover. got beat to a pulp and still got into the nfc title game what a loser.

then pulled himself out.....yup, loser

TomServo
09-24-2011, 01:43 AM
Please. Baltimore hated Elway because he blew their shot at a legitimate franchise quarterback... arguably the greatest ever. On the contrary, most NFL fans laugh at the emo QB. Really. Only delusional Bear fans and scorned Bronco fan/Cutler fanboys think Cutler “franchise.” It's sad and funny at the same time... but mostly sad.

and yet here we are with orton(he just wins) and tebow(the one rookie that apparently isnt smart enough to start like stafford and newton and every other college qb that plays for a horrible team.
im on record stating cutlers red zone record.-last years thurs game against the niners, on this board look it up.
my point is the poor bastard took a record beating last year and still was in the nfccg.
as i stated in that niners thread "i bet he throws an end zone pick"-which he did.
everything points to jay haters as the same type of baltimore fans with sour grapes. "Im glad we didnt get elway" "what a puss whiner" .etc
the book on cutler is years from written and as we have Orton YAY and tebow YAY. time will tell.

TomServo
09-24-2011, 01:48 AM
then pulled himself out.....yup, loser

just like that pussy Elway did in the afccg in buffalo?

TomServo
09-24-2011, 01:52 AM
that one where elway threw an int for the bills only td? what a loser

TomServo
09-24-2011, 01:55 AM
then pulled himself out.....yup, loser

just learn some bronco history beyond tebow ya ass

vancejohnson82
09-24-2011, 03:37 AM
just learn some bronco history beyond tebow ya ass

dude...are you kidding me?

you're comparing Elway and Cutler and then telling me to learn some history?

get off Cutler's dick...he's a loser who whined himself out of town, and this is a guy you are going to bat for here?

and btw, Elway had a legitimate injury...not a boo boo that had no diagnosis

TomServo
09-24-2011, 03:48 AM
so what was elways injury in that buffalo game exactley?

TomServo
09-24-2011, 03:49 AM
that afccg that kubiak and steve sewell were ma
rching?

TomServo
09-24-2011, 03:51 AM
and what was elways prob in '83 when the stealers won in our house?

TomServo
09-24-2011, 03:53 AM
yah. our hero had probs too.

TomServo
09-24-2011, 03:57 AM
your hatred of cutler clouds everything. i suppose its not even elways fault about those awfull SB losses

vancejohnson82
09-24-2011, 04:22 AM
and what was elways prob in '83 when the stealers won in our house?

what the hell are you talking about? 1983??? look up the playoff results from that year...then repost

I don't hate Cutler at all.....he is what he is....a frowny little boy with a big arm and no heart

vancejohnson82
09-24-2011, 04:24 AM
lotta love for a guy who went 17-20 for us Servo

Eldorado
09-24-2011, 06:03 AM
This servo guys a ****ing idiot.

Gort
09-24-2011, 06:44 AM
my point is imagine what colt fans were thinking back in '83. elway was the devil. and colts fan wanted nothing but ill will towards him. i mean i remember it, they wanted him dead..
denver fans dressed up in thier adult baby garb and embarrassed us all.

it wasn't quite the same situation. Colts fans were angry at Elway. they/we didn't hate him. part of that was because his refusal to come to Baltimore was only the latest in a series of indignities under Irsay. also, Elway wasn't Elway yet... all we knew was a supposedly talented rookie didn't want to play on the east coast, for the Colts, or for Frank Kush. Elway coming out of college was not known as a winner yet either, just that he had a big arm. so it wasn't quite the same thing... if he'd have played 2 or 3 years in Baltimore and then demanded out, it would have been the same thing. ultimately it didn't matter because the Colts were driven away in Mayflower vans in the middle of the night, long before Elway ever had a chance to establish himself in the league. people didn't hate Elway the way that Cutler is hated. the insult was the same, but the magnitude was greater in Denver with Cutler because he'd already been labeled the starting "franchise QB" by Shanny. secretly, we all knew Elway would be better off not having to deal with Irsay anyway. don't forget, Irsay was the obnoxious Chicago lawyer/owner who would get drunk at games and call down to the field to tell the HC what plays to call. he was an ass. his son is an ass. and the Indiancrapolis Colts are not the real Colts... they are the fake Colts. the name and colors should have stayed in Baltimore. Indiancrapolis should have created a new history for themselves. they could have been the Indiancrapolis Enemas. that would be more suited to them.

TomServo
09-25-2011, 01:13 AM
This servo guys a ****ing idiot.
why? because i know bronco history before 1999?
i remember elways first game in baltimore. they wanted him to be taken off on a strecther. you could feel the hate through the tv. i also remember elway amost bieng killed on that green concrete in pittburgh. i know so many young uns just remember the country pulling for elway in SB 32. back in 1983 most of the nfl hated him.

TomServo
09-25-2011, 01:25 AM
what the hell are you talking about? 1983??? look up the playoff results from that year...then repost

I don't hate Cutler at all.....he is what he is....a frowny little boy with a big arm and no heart
fine 1984

TomServo
09-25-2011, 01:29 AM
all i know is elway freakin embarrased me back then. ill admit: when he refused the colts i called him a pu ssy.and when us good guys-the denver broncos got him. all i could do was shut my mouth. but i was living in AZ at the time so i knew what a prick frank Kush was

vancejohnson82
09-25-2011, 02:22 AM
Servo is a clownshoe

OABB
09-25-2011, 03:22 AM
all i know is elway freakin embarrased me back then. ill admit: when he refused the colts i called him a pu ssy.and when us good guys-the denver broncos got him. all i could do was shut my mouth. but i was living in AZ at the time so i knew what a prick frank Kush was

have you ever been right about a qb?

CEH
09-25-2011, 07:18 AM
so what was elways injury in that buffalo game exactley?

I got Elway's as a deep thigh bruise that limited his mobility. I have Cutler's as a 2nd degree MCL sprain that limited his mobility

I'm pretty sure players have played games with a deep thigh bruise

maven
09-25-2011, 01:49 PM
Does Cutler ever look at photos on the sidelines? Seems like he never does.

DivineBronco
09-25-2011, 01:50 PM
getting booed at home....................ROCKET ARM

maven
09-25-2011, 01:51 PM
getting booed at home....................ROCKET ARM

His throws are terrible. He doesn't show any fire and he sits there on the sidelines aloof.

TonyR
09-25-2011, 03:45 PM
12/26-1-1 heading into garbage time down 27-10.

KO5K
09-25-2011, 03:46 PM
int lol

maven
09-25-2011, 03:46 PM
make that another INT

Agamemnon
09-25-2011, 03:46 PM
12/26-1-1 heading into garbage time down 27-10.

Jay Cutler = Kyle Orton

Period.

oubronco
09-25-2011, 03:47 PM
His recievers have dropped alot of passes that would've been for big yardage just sayin

Archer81
09-25-2011, 03:47 PM
Jay looks really skinny to me. He does not look all that healthy.


:Broncos:

DrFate
09-25-2011, 03:49 PM
His recievers have dropped alot of passes that would've been for big yardage just sayin

It's a grab bag for Cutler

He throws a great pass, then he throws an awful pass, then he has a guy drop a ball and miss a big play

He does keep it exciting..

oubronco
09-25-2011, 03:51 PM
It's a grab bag for Cutler

He throws a great pass, then he throws an awful pass, then he has a guy drop a ball and miss a big play

He does keep it exciting..

Well there you go

DrFate
09-25-2011, 04:02 PM
Speaking of bad passes...

KO5K
09-25-2011, 04:03 PM
Just a dumb, dumb pass.

Gets away with it though.

oubronco
09-25-2011, 04:03 PM
Lucky

maven
09-25-2011, 04:26 PM
http://i.minus.com/ibxsS6QKsCDQT2.png

BroncosSR
09-25-2011, 04:47 PM
Jay Cutler = Kyle Orton

Period.

Good lord. You have blinders on if you can say that with all honesty.

OABB
09-25-2011, 04:51 PM
Good lord. You have blinders on if you can say that with all honesty.

not really. both look decent when it doesnt matter and blow it when it does.

BroncosSR
09-25-2011, 05:09 PM
not really. both look decent when it doesnt matter and blow it when it does.

You really don't think that the Broncos wouldn't be better off with Cutler as QB?

Gort
09-25-2011, 05:11 PM
You really don't think that the Broncos wouldn't be better off with Cutler as QB?

he was a clubhouse cancer, so no. the team was split between O and D under Cutler and he had no qualms about blaming (or implying) that the D was losing games.

OABB
09-25-2011, 05:17 PM
You really don't think that the Broncos wouldn't be better off with Cutler as QB?

maybe a little? like 8-5 with a three game lead on the chargers good. but, a qb who blows games.when you need him isnt much better in the long run. cutler is more exciting for sure.

this team needs a qb who wants to win and tries.

TheReverend
09-25-2011, 05:28 PM
Great game by Jay today. Some really ****ty drops by Kellen, Roy and Knox (his surprised me the most). Also a couple poor calls (the "hold" on the end of game run back and the no call on the Hester PI).

TheReverend
09-25-2011, 05:29 PM
SSJ - Your boy Sanzenbacher continues to be an effing stud. REALLY big diamond in the rough and I think he has an extremely bright future.

Bronx33
09-25-2011, 05:29 PM
I watched most of the bears game today and cutler hasn't changed one bit hes still inconsistent and makes stupid mistakes sure his receivers dropped a few but i also noticed his OL did do an ok job ( he had time in most cases) i really dont think much would change if he were here.

TheReverend
09-25-2011, 05:30 PM
I watched most of the bears game today and cutler hasn't changed one bit hes still inconsistent and makes stupid mistakes sure his receivers dropped a few but i also noticed his OL did do an ok job ( he had time in most cases) i really dont think much would change if he were here.

::)

OABB
09-25-2011, 05:36 PM
I watched most of the bears game today and cutler hasn't changed one bit hes still inconsistent and makes stupid mistakes sure his receivers dropped a few but i also noticed his OL did do an ok job ( he had time in most cases) i really dont think much would change if he were here.

dont forget the rz int that was dropped by the packers too.

Bronx33
09-25-2011, 05:39 PM
you're right rev jay was completely blameless today ( what was i thinking).

TheReverend
09-25-2011, 05:42 PM
you're right rev jay was completely blameless today ( what was i thinking).

Not sure who said that.

Did you watch it and think he played a poor game? Or anything even less than good? Seriously be totally honest.

I was just mocking your "dropped a few" claim, which was absurd and you do know it. When was the last time you saw an NFL player get hit in the chest 20 yards downfield without even lifting his hands before today? Or another in the face mask? Etc.

Bronx33
09-25-2011, 05:50 PM
Not sure who said that.

Did you watch it and think he played a poor game? Or anything even less than good? Seriously be totally honest.

I was just mocking your "dropped a few" claim, which was absurd and you do know it. When was the last time you saw an NFL player get hit in the chest 20 yards downfield without even lifting his hands before today? Or another in the face mask? Etc.

I said he played an inconsistent game and to be truthful i was mocking you with the
you're right rev jay was completely blameless today ( what was i thinking)

comment i should have throw in some sarcasm ( my bad)

TheReverend
09-25-2011, 06:01 PM
I said he played an inconsistent game and to be truthful i was mocking you with the


comment i should have throw in some sarcasm ( my bad)

I know, but answer the question on if you felt he was good or not today?

Inconsistent can go both ways. That's the nature of the word :)

Bronx33
09-25-2011, 06:04 PM
I know, but answer the question on if you felt he was good or not today?

Inconsistent can go both ways. That's the nature of the word :)

Jay was average today i am not going to say good based on his poorly timed INTs that killed important drives he also stood in the pocket to long.