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Mogulseeker
09-18-2011, 07:03 PM
Just wanted to give a shout out to Spencer Larsen. I was at the game and he had a phenomenal game. He had a couple key run blocks that sprung McGahee, and picked up the blitz nicely in pass protection.

He also ran a first down, and believe it or not, was the number 2 receiver for the Broncos in this game.

Hats off to Larsen.

boppool
09-18-2011, 07:04 PM
I agree. It sure is nice to have a capable FB.

Kaylore
09-18-2011, 07:05 PM
Where is that poster that said he sucks? I will find you!!!!!

Tim
09-18-2011, 07:20 PM
I like rooting for underrated broncos, he reminds me of chris cooley they way he catches

the ball on play action and then aims for the first defender he sees. Great Game

ColoradoDarin
09-18-2011, 07:33 PM
He was awesome. Well done Spencer!

ScottXray
09-18-2011, 07:44 PM
Good games by Larsen, Decker. When Royal went down I started to get really worried that Or ton would have no idea who to throw it to.

McGahee and Ball had decent games too.

Even though Orton did not have a great game, he really only hurt us the one time (fumble on the sack). And he was putting the ball in good spots, when he got them off. Not a game ball (That is all about him this week) as that goes to Decker!

Mogulseeker
09-18-2011, 08:02 PM
Good games by Larsen, Decker. When Royal went down I started to get really worried that Or ton would have no idea who to throw it to.

McGahee and Ball had decent games too.

Even though Orton did not have a great game, he really only hurt us the one time (fumble on the sack). And he was putting the ball in good spots, when he got them off. Not a game ball (That is all about him this week) as that goes to Decker!

15/25, 195 2/0 .... a 111.25 qb rating with his top two wideouts, top HB and #2 TE out. Yeah, Orton really didn't play too well.

ScottXray
09-18-2011, 08:09 PM
15/25, 195 2/0 .... a 111.25 qb rating with his top two wideouts, top HB and #2 TE out. Yeah, Orton really didn't play too well.

Like I said, Oton didn't hurt us much with the fumble, (the turnover not in your stats) and he was putting the ball in good spots. I expected him to play better today than Monday, and he did. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

Decker still made the runs after catch and he still would get my game ball.

t-diddy
09-18-2011, 08:12 PM
I never thought i'd view a fullback as a weapon... but now i do.

broncosteven
09-18-2011, 08:13 PM
I saw him on a pass play where he was looking for a guy to hit, he was clearing holes and catching passes.

Great day for Thor's Hammer!

Mogulseeker
09-18-2011, 08:25 PM
Orton has a good game, with a very limited receiving corps.

Peyton Hillis was/is a weapon as a fullback.

Larsen is no Hillis, but his blocking today was sharp, and he showed he can receive if he needs to.

vonqkilla
09-18-2011, 09:46 PM
He did a good job today, but gameball goes to decker.

Mogulseeker
09-18-2011, 10:00 PM
He did a good job today, but gameball goes to decker.

Vaughn stepped it up, too. A couple miscues, but you can't ask for much more from a 2nd year undrafted free agent.

Broncobiv
09-18-2011, 10:09 PM
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enjolras
09-18-2011, 11:10 PM
I never thought i'd view a fullback as a weapon... but now i do.

I ask this in all honesty... did you never see Howard Griffith play? :)

I really believe that Griffith is one of the most underrated Broncos of all time. He was an amazing weapon for those superbowl teams. He always made a play when it mattered. Mcaffrey's big block? That was a Howard Griffith vehicle he was clearing the way for.

Mogulseeker
09-18-2011, 11:15 PM
I ask this in all honesty... did you never see Howard Griffith play? :)

I really believe that Griffith is one of the most underrated Broncos of all time. He was an amazing weapon for those superbowl teams. He always made a play when it mattered. Mcaffrey's big block? That was a Howard Griffith vehicle he was clearing the way for.

I'm very surprised no one has mentioned Hillis yet.

ward63
09-18-2011, 11:31 PM
Ayers stepped up on defense too

Agamemnon
09-18-2011, 11:36 PM
Vaughn stepped it up, too. A couple miscues, but you can't ask for much more from a 2nd year undrafted free agent.

While Vaughn was hardly a world beater today, I really have to say he looked quite a bit better than Goodman. It might be time to make him the #2, but then again he isn't a vet and Goodman is. So that probably isn't going to happen.

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 11:38 PM
He reminded me of McCaffery. Decker too.

t-diddy
09-18-2011, 11:39 PM
I ask this in all honesty... did you never see Howard Griffith play? :)

I really believe that Griffith is one of the most underrated Broncos of all time. He was an amazing weapon for those superbowl teams. He always made a play when it mattered. Mcaffrey's big block? That was a Howard Griffith vehicle he was clearing the way for.

Uhh Yes, I was a big Griffith fan... I was making a reference to one of the 2,000 stupid ass comments that Trent "Dont Ever Stop Talking" Dilfer made during the Monday night game.

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 11:47 PM
I ask this in all honesty... did you never see Howard Griffith play?

I really believe that Griffith is one of the most underrated Broncos of all time. He was an amazing weapon for those superbowl teams. He always made a play when it mattered. Mcaffrey's big block? That was a Howard Griffith vehicle he was clearing the way for.

There's another Griffith playing at Oklahoma right now.

He's going to be the highest fullback drafted in awhile when he comes out. A true triple threat who excels at all three responsibilities: blocking, receiving, running the ball. He's a 255-pound athlete who has been quite a surprise at OU.

I'm still trying to figure out how Stoops convinced him to play fullback at OU instead of him playing RB or linebacker elsewhere. But evidently the kid has had designs on fullback and works constantly to expand his game.

http://newsok.com/sooners-have-a-boomer-in-255-pound-fullback-trey-millard/article/3595728

fontaine
09-19-2011, 04:08 AM
Nothing new for Larsen. Last year when he was healthy he was the difference in our run game being stopped for a loss or gaining positive yards.

He's not built like a prototype FB but the guy just steams into the OL and puts his body on a defender. Really admire his play.

Kaylore
09-19-2011, 07:07 AM
He reminded me of McCaffery. Decker too.

http://www.urbandigs.com/angry.gif

McDman
09-19-2011, 08:17 AM
15/25, 195 2/0 .... a 111.25 qb rating with his top two wideouts, top HB and #2 TE out. Yeah, Orton really didn't play too well.

Like I said in another thread, if Tebow had those stats people would ignore the actual game and just jerk off because the QB rating is high. If Orton has them people dissect every little bit of his game.

McDman
09-19-2011, 08:20 AM
While Vaughn was hardly a world beater today, I really have to say he looked quite a bit better than Goodman. It might be time to make him the #2, but then again he isn't a vet and Goodman is. So that probably isn't going to happen.

I used to try and defend Goodman but he is just playing too poorly now. I can handle giving up some of the catches but you are in the NFL, LEARN TO TACKLE!!!!

I'm sick of seeing him play two hand touch out there. On that huge pass up the middle Goodman couldn't bring the guy down and the only reason they didn't score right away was because Vaughn caught up to him out of nowhere.

crowebomber
09-19-2011, 08:25 AM
I used to try and defend Goodman but he is just playing too poorly now. I can handle giving up some of the catches but you are in the NFL, LEARN TO TACKLE!!!!

I'm sick of seeing him play two hand touch out there. On that huge pass up the middle Goodman couldn't bring the guy down and the only reason they didn't score right away was because Vaughn caught up to him out of nowhere.

Vaughn's closing speed on that play was pretty amazing.

Mogulseeker
09-19-2011, 11:16 AM
I don't know if Vaughn will ever be a solid long-term #1 CB for any NFL team, but he definitely has starter potential. And in his second year he has already exceeded my expectations as an undrafted free agent.

Irish Stout
09-19-2011, 11:20 AM
I don't know if Vaughn will ever be a solid long-term #1 CB for any NFL team, but he definitely has starter potential. And in his second year he has already exceeded my expectations as an undrafted free agent.

Vaughn needs to turn around to the ball more often. Every ball thrown his way made me cringe in fear of a Pass Interference call.

Rock Chalk
09-19-2011, 12:08 PM
Vaughn's closing speed on that play was pretty amazing.

This. Guy looked like The Flash out there and everyone else mere mortals.

I really couldn't believe how much faster he was than the dude running with the ball.

Jekyll15Hyde
09-19-2011, 12:12 PM
Where is that poster that said he sucks? I will find you!!!!!

There are several of us. But I will take the heat...

Larsen did have a good game overall and great by his standards.

I still think we need an above average blocker at FB at a minimum and I didnt see enough to alleviate that concern. In a conservative offense like we have, the FB has to be counted on to take his man out most of the time and Larsen STILL cant do that. But yesterday was better than his performances of late.

I have also stated I hope Larsen can grow into a better fullback and yesterday may be an indication that could over the long term. If so, I would be glad to be wrong on this. But 1 data point does not make a trend.

Is he a "great" FB as you contend? Absolutely NOT! You just think he is great because he believes in magic underwear too. ROFL! If he can wear it in the game and block better, then maybe you have a point.

Pony Boy
09-19-2011, 12:43 PM
I never thought i'd view a fullback as a weapon... but now i do.

I guess you never watched Hillis when he played at Arkansas

gyldenlove
09-19-2011, 12:49 PM
I don't know if Vaughn will ever be a solid long-term #1 CB for any NFL team, but he definitely has starter potential. And in his second year he has already exceeded my expectations as an undrafted free agent.

Vaughn needs to be a number 2 CB, he is best in press coverage when he can be physical and jam, his hips aren't quick enough on the turn to do tight coverage when he backs off - but he has a good head, he is a decent tackler and he has good closing speed. On the long over the middle, he made up a good 7 yards headstart to make the tackle racing by Goodman, Moore and Dawkins in the process.

db56
09-19-2011, 12:51 PM
Good game out of Larsen. He's been hurt by all the moving around in positions over his career and I'm glad he finally looks good at FB. Leave him alone and let him build on it..

Kaylore
09-19-2011, 01:14 PM
There are several of us. But I will take the heat...

Larsen did have a good game overall and great by his standards.

I still think we need an above average blocker at FB at a minimum and I didnt see enough to alleviate that concern. In a conservative offense like we have, the FB has to be counted on to take his man out most of the time and Larsen STILL cant do that. But yesterday was better than his performances of late.

I have also stated I hope Larsen can grow into a better fullback and yesterday may be an indication that could over the long term. If so, I would be glad to be wrong on this. But 1 data point does not make a trend.

Is he a "great" FB as you contend? Absolutely NOT!
I never said he was great. I said he is trending that way and is a great utility player that plays special teams and continues to improve. I think he can be a very good fullback for us. Do I think he is the most talented fullback in the NFL? No. But he is a true football player who has had to learn a new position and I think he's done marvelously given all we've asked him to do and the opportunities he was afforded.

You just think he is great because he believes in magic underwear too. ROFL! If he can wear it in the game and block better, then maybe you have a point.

First, there have been several LDS players on the team and I haven't defended or favored them just because they are LDS. I like Larsen because he has played on every side of the ball and plays his guts out. I also have a tendency to like blue collar players who have to earn their position. My other favorite players aren't LDS.

Second, that's pretty sad you would take a cheap shot like that and make this personal. I didn't attack you or your beliefs but you decided to go bigot and rip on my faith completely out of context. You sir, suck. Yes indeed. :kubiak:

Jekyll15Hyde
09-19-2011, 01:45 PM
Second, that's pretty sad you would take a cheap shot like that and make this personal. I didn't attack you or your beliefs but you decided to go bigot and rip on my faith completely out of context. You sir, suck. Yes indeed. :kubiak:

It has been pointed out a few times here - and I am no regular - that you overly defend players of the LDS faith when their play doesn't warrant it. Larsen's play hadnt warranted any sort of commendation prior to yesterday. Just trying to connect the dots. :wave:

Kaylore
09-19-2011, 02:39 PM
It has been pointed out a few times here - and I am no regular - that you overly defend players of the LDS faith when their play doesn't warrant it. Larsen's play hadnt warranted any sort of commendation prior to yesterday. Just trying to connect the dots. :wave:

Really. Name one other example. Not even of me defending an LDS player but an example of "it being pointed out."

Mogulseeker
09-19-2011, 03:49 PM
Vaughn needs to be a number 2 CB, he is best in press coverage when he can be physical and jam, his hips aren't quick enough on the turn to do tight coverage when he backs off - but he has a good head, he is a decent tackler and he has good closing speed. On the long over the middle, he made up a good 7 yards headstart to make the tackle racing by Goodman, Moore and Dawkins in the process.

I agree, but I meant more as a #2 option. I like Vaughn, but he needs a supporting cast to be succesful.

Jekyll15Hyde
09-19-2011, 04:22 PM
Really. Name one other example. Not even of me defending an LDS player but an example of "it being pointed out."

Here you go.
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3274470&postcount=42

Anything else?

And lets be honest here... Larsen was mostly a benefit in the passing game yesterday. The concerns of his blocking ability largely remain.

vonqkilla
09-19-2011, 04:24 PM
Vaughn needs to turn around to the ball more often. Every ball thrown his way made me cringe in fear of a Pass Interference call.

Guy runs a nine, you have to turn your back. You can watch the receiver to see when to turn, but rec dont give it away, and if ball is thrown deeper, you turn, rec is gone. Its 20 times harder than just ” turn around”. I thought he played fine on the edge, got smoked on the post, no safety help though. Dawk was late.

Most interesting though, which no one is talking about, the shipley hit. Out for the year.

That is the evolution of the nfl, no headshots like in Atl, your gonna see defenseless recs knees exploded.

Your welcome for that. Should be discussed by league soon.

epicSocialism4tw
09-19-2011, 04:43 PM
Really. Name one other example. Not even of me defending an LDS player but an example of "it being pointed out."

I don't see anything wrong with you supporting LDS players, even if you did.

vonqkilla
09-19-2011, 04:46 PM
Strike zone tackling, coming soon to the nfl.

epicSocialism4tw
09-19-2011, 04:47 PM
Most interesting though, which no one is talking about, the shipley hit. Out for the year.

That is the evolution of the nfl, no headshots like in Atl, your gonna see defenseless recs knees exploded.

Your welcome for that. Should be discussed by league soon.

I guess we'll be playing flag football soon enough.

It should also be talked about that in the new CBA, players practice less in full contact play.

It could be said that they are less prepared for full-speed football.

Cito Pelon
09-19-2011, 04:59 PM
It has been pointed out a few times here - and I am no regular - that you overly defend players of the LDS faith when their play doesn't warrant it. Larsen's play hadnt warranted any sort of commendation prior to yesterday. Just trying to connect the dots. :wave:

Whut?

Kaylore
09-19-2011, 05:55 PM
Here you go.
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3274470&postcount=42

Anything else?

And lets be honest here... Larsen was mostly a benefit in the passing game yesterday. The concerns of his blocking ability largely remain.

Yeah Larsen had nothing to do with putting McGahee 100 yards on the ground when they held the immaculate Peyton Hillis to 50 yards the week before.

And I honestly wasn't aware he said that. That doesn't make him right. There are no other instances of me defending a player who is LDS, and none of the other players I favor are Mormon, so you're full of crap and a jerk.

I don't see anything wrong with you supporting LDS players, even if you did.
I have a problem with it because he's attacking my credibility. He's insinuating that the only reason I think he's good is because he's Mormon. It's crap. Followed by his crack on my religion for no reason. I have already laid out the reasons I like Larsen. And BroncocaliJohn and douchenozzletech can think what they want. The fact is we've had LDS players on and off this team before. Some went to my church. I didn't come out praising them. We've had other posters on here more excited about Larsen than I was (see I wanna surprise buttseks Larsen thread). Guess they must be closet Mormons too...

Jekyll15Hyde
09-19-2011, 07:21 PM
Yeah Larsen had nothing to do with putting McGahee 100 yards on the ground when they held the immaculate Peyton Hillis to 50 yards the week before.

Was he involved in the team 3.6 YPC? What about the teams 3 for 7 conversion on plays of 2nd or 3rd and less than 3 yards? Does he get all the blame, no. I think the interior OL is garbage right now and much of the blame goes there. But the fact remains that continues to not be able to consistently eliminate his man. Yesterday was better and I hope it continues

The point remains that prior to yesterday, Larsen could only be commended for being blue collar and doing whatever the team asks of him and rightly so. Not so much though as a direct result of his play on the field.

If you dont really lobby for your fellow LDS, then more power to you and my apologies. As I mentioned, I am not a regular, and I took at face value that this was your MO based on that thread. Somebody in the same thread also mentioned you over-hyping some BYU QB. I was looking for a reason as to why you (whom I also commended for generally very good takes) were sticking up for Larsen in the preseason when he clearly was garbage and it wasn't just me saying it. My bad. Carry on.

Requiem
09-19-2011, 07:49 PM
We can do better than Larsen at fullback.

Jekyll15Hyde
09-19-2011, 08:05 PM
We can do better than Larsen at fullback.

Watch out. Khan says he is becoming great

vonqkilla
09-19-2011, 08:28 PM
Larsen is an ok fb. Rarely drops the ball, but also rarely makes impact blocks. Often times he gets in the hole and falls flat on his face. Trending up from a zero aint saying much. Hes avg.

cabronco
09-19-2011, 08:44 PM
I guess you never watched Hillis when he played at Arkansas


This ^^^ , he was a crushing fullback for Arkansas. Just ask McFadden , along w/their other tailback who's name escapes me. I would sure like to have him back and return B. Quinn to the Brownies.

gyldenlove
09-19-2011, 09:16 PM
I agree, but I meant more as a #2 option. I like Vaughn, but he needs a supporting cast to be succesful.

Can you name me any AFC West CB not named Champ Bailey who can do it without a supporting cast?

Archer81
09-19-2011, 09:32 PM
15/25, 195 2/0 .... a 111.25 qb rating with his top two wideouts, top HB and #2 TE out. Yeah, Orton really didn't play too well.


To be fair they ran the ball 30+ times. anytime you can run the ball 30 times in a game your QB will have an easy day...


:Broncos:

Mogulseeker
09-19-2011, 09:48 PM
Can you name me any AFC West CB not named Champ Bailey who can do it without a supporting cast?

I'm on your side... Vaugn is good. But he would be best with another good corner opposite him.

You picked a weak division. I would say Awesome-munga, but he's an Eagle now.

Mogulseeker
09-19-2011, 09:50 PM
Larsen picked up a great block and pancaked a DE on on of the big passes to Decker.

vonqkilla
09-19-2011, 11:09 PM
Larsen picked up a great block and pancaked a DE on on of the big passes to Decker.

Really, show me that clip

broncocalijohn
09-19-2011, 11:17 PM
Here you go.
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=3274470&postcount=42

Anything else?

And lets be honest here... Larsen was mostly a benefit in the passing game yesterday. The concerns of his blocking ability largely remain.

Thanks for trying to get me in trouble.:yayaya:
I think Kaylore meant he was pointing it out. I was just giving him a hard time for his love of LDS players. I think in that thread I kid him that he had a McMahon poster up on his wall as a youth until he found out he wasnt Mormon.

Mogulseeker
09-19-2011, 11:20 PM
Really, show me that clip

I don't have the game file, nor the ability to rip a clip.

It wasn't a flat out pancake, but on that particular play if it weren't for Larsen, Orton probably would have been sacked instead of a big gain for Decker.

Mogulseeker
09-19-2011, 11:22 PM
Thanks for trying to get me in trouble.:yayaya:
I think Kaylore meant he was pointing it out. I was just giving him a hard time for his love of LDS players. I think in that thread I kid him that he had a McMahon poster up on his wall as a youth until he found out he wasnt Mormon.

Mormons are kina weird, but...

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vonqkilla
09-19-2011, 11:26 PM
I don't have the game file, nor the ability to rip a clip.

It wasn't a flat out pancake, but on that particular play if it weren't for Larsen, Orton probably would have been sacked instead of a big gain for Decker.

If your talking about the 52 yarder your completely wrong.

As far as lds goes, what kind of religon goes out of its way to prove its own fundamentals are false?

http://mormonscripturestudies.com/bomor/twm/lamgen.asp

Mogulseeker
09-19-2011, 11:30 PM
If your talking about the 52 yarder your completely wrong.

We're talking live in real time. I don't remember which play it was.

It's not just me... I noticed a great run block by Larsen that took McGahee to the second level and a told my dad, "wow that was a good block by Larsen." A few seconds later someone a few rows behind me shouted "great block Larsen."

The guy is really coming into his own out there.

vonqkilla
09-19-2011, 11:34 PM
We're talking live in real time. I don't remember which play it was.

It's not just me... I noticed a great run block by Larsen that took McGahee to the second level and a told my dad, "wow that was a good block by Larsen." A few seconds later someone a few rows behind me shouted "great block Larsen."

The guy is really coming into his own out there.

I agree, getting better, but vs oak, he was really bad, but so was everyone.