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epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 03:04 AM
Yeah, Ignore the fact that the stadium was literally shaking until Orton lost the game for the Broncos and a smattering of fans chanted for Tebow.

Klis of the Denver Post says that Broncos fans are as bad as it gets: http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18919743

Never mind the fact that the Broncos havent made the playoffs since 2006, went 4-12 last season, have lost 4 straight to the Raiders including the most embarrassing home loss in franchise history, had the worst run defense in franchise history last season, and didnt address the roster needs in the offseason when plenty of options were availabe...no, forget all of that...this clown thinks that its Tebow's fault that Broncos fans are sick of this. Hilarious!

What the heck is wrong with this guy?

Miss I.
09-18-2011, 03:27 AM
Did you read the same article I did? He wasn't blaming Tebow. He was talking about the division in the fanbase over who should be the QB. That division tends to impact our home field advantage because you have it split between Tebowsupporters, Ortonsupporters and those who just want to win and want the boo birds to STFU and just support the team.

"I'm not saying the Tebow backers are wrong. I'm not saying the Tebow critics are wrong. Fans have the right to feel anyway they want.
What I am saying is that collectively, the Broncos may now have the worst home crowd in the league.
Divided they stand."

What I actually thought was interesting was Brandon Lloyd's quote that clearly supports the fans (Guess he's only semi-retarded then Rev?)

"I don't agree," Broncos receiver Brandon Lloyd said. "Players have to play better. The fans aren't going to stand up and cheer all doggone game when the team is giving up yards, and not running the ball and turning the ball over. The quarterback and the head coach get the brunt of all the bad stuff. That's the nature of the industry."

The ending lines actually sort of supports the Tebowmaniacs to some degree so I don't agree with your take on this opinion piece at all.

"TebowMania presumes Orton's teammates aren't qualified to know what's good for them. The Broncos are 1-9 in Orton's last 10 starts, 5-18 in his last 23.
Given these numbers, the home crowd chants for Tebow are hardly irrational.


Read more: Mike Klis: TebowMania dividing Broncos fans, hurting home-field advantage - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18919743#ixzz1YIZLzITW
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epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 03:34 AM
Did you read the same article I did? He wasn't blaming Tebow. He was talking about the division in the fanbase over who should be the QB. That division tends to impact our home field advantage because you have it split between Tebowsupporters, Ortonsupporters and those who just want to win and want the boo birds to STFU and just support the team.

Klis very clearly states that "the Tebowmaniacs" are "dividing" the fanbase and, in turn, have made Broncos fans the worst home crowd in the league.

I mean...its the title of the article for goodness sake. Ha!

Miss I.
09-18-2011, 03:48 AM
Klis very clearly states that "the Tebowmaniacs" are "dividing" the fanbase and, in turn, have made Broncos fans the worst home crowd in the league.

And yet you stated "this clown thinks that its Tebow's fault that Broncos fans are sick of this"

If he's criticizing anyone, it's the fanbase, NOT Tebow. But the fact is, he is doing neither really. What he's saying, if you read it at all rationally, is that the QB controversy is dividing the fan base to the degree that home field advantage is degraded by the fact that the fans are either not cheering at all, booing, or too busy fighting with each other to support the team. I don't happen to think that's happening at the games themselves to the degree he's asserting, but it certainly is happening. Look at the OM, we are tearing each other down for any argument that we don't agree with. Is this happening at the game? I don't know, the crowds still seem pretty loud on TV to me. If anything has degraded home field advantage it's the selling of tickets to opposing teams fans by season ticket holders so that you will see more jerseys in another team's colors then our own. However, people are in fact tired of paying so much for tickets only to see our team lose. I get that.

Miss I.
09-18-2011, 03:52 AM
Klis very clearly states that "the Tebowmaniacs" are "dividing" the fanbase and, in turn, have made Broncos fans the worst home crowd in the league.

I mean...its the title of the article for goodness sake. Ha!

Actually this is the title": Mike Klis: TebowMania dividing Broncos fans, hurting home-field advantage

Read more: Mike Klis: TebowMania dividing Broncos fans, hurting home-field advantage - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18919743#ixzz1YIfcegQI
Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

Nowhere in that title does it say the Broncos are the worst home crowd in the league. It says the division created by Tebowmania are hurting the advantage, but it does NOT say it is the worst in the league.

Jay3
09-18-2011, 03:54 AM
It's only just begun. And the fascinating part is that this has to end with Tebow washing out, or else it will make the Broncos staff look even worse. If he blows up here in Denver or somewhere else, this will be looked back on as "that time they lost their minds and stubbornly refused to develop Tebow."

If Tebow washes out it will be forgotten. It always is.

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 04:01 AM
And yet you stated "this clown thinks that its Tebow's fault that Broncos fans are sick of this"

If he's criticizing anyone, it's the fanbase, NOT Tebow. But the fact is, he is doing neither really. What he's saying, if you read it at all rationally, is that the QB controversy is dividing the fan base to the degree that home field advantage is degraded by the fact that the fans are either not cheering at all, booing, or too busy fighting with each other to support the team.

You're misreading my statement. I simply said that he's conveniently associating the fan discontent with Tebow, rather than with the real tangible issues caused by a poorly run, bad team.

It's pretty obvious that he's not blaming Tebow directly. He's blaming fans for wanting to see Tebow, which is flat-out ridiculous.

And its pure jackassery to suggest that fans who rocked the stadium (literally) on several occasions Monday night are anywhere near the worst fans in the league. The fans provided a home field advantage. The Broncos themselves didn't provide the fans with a reward for their passion and commitment. Heck, the Broncos have sold out every game in ages...despite the fact that at some point along the way we became the dang Bengals.


I don't happen to think that's happening at the games themselves to the degree he's asserting, but it certainly is happening.

You don't have to think or believe that fans are as divided as he asserts, because its simply not true. You can flat out dismiss his assertion. Broncos fans brought the house down like we haven't seen in ages against the Raiders on Monday night. It was only after Orton cost the team the game while they were on the cusp of taking the lead that fans began to voice any sort of displeasure, and it was overstated by the horrific announcing team that ESPN had sent to the game. The Raiders promptly dismantled the Broncos "run defense" (can we really call it that?) and put the game away for all intents and purposes only a couple of posessions later while Ortie and the Impotents floundered about like an incapable bunch of second-rate NFL'ers.

Its only natural that Broncos fans would get upset after watching that sort of crash-and-burn ending to what was billed as a revenge game for the worst home loss in franchise history, which Ortie was at the heart of last year too.


Look at the OM, we are tearing each other down for any argument that we don't agree with. Is this happening at the game? I don't know, the crowds still seem pretty loud on TV to me. If anything has degraded home field advantage it's the selling of tickets to opposing teams fans by season ticket holders so that you will see more jerseys in another team's colors then our own. However, people are in fact tired of paying so much for tickets only to see our team lose. I get that.

The Tebow chants were only smattered about the stands on Monday night.

Those chants are only going to grow as the Broncos continue to play poorly.

Klis should quit his whiny resistance and get along with it, because he's going to be miserable when Tebow actually starts taking snaps.

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 04:06 AM
Actually this is the title": Mike Klis: TebowMania dividing Broncos fans, hurting home-field advantage

Read more: Mike Klis: TebowMania dividing Broncos fans, hurting home-field advantage - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18919743#ixzz1YIfcegQI
Read The Denver Post's Terms of Use of its content: http://www.denverpost.com/termsofuse

Nowhere in that title does it say the Broncos are the worst home crowd in the league. It says the division created by Tebowmania are hurting the advantage, but it does NOT say it is the worst in the league.

Oh, its pretty clear:


"What I am saying is that collectively, the Broncos may now have the worst home crowd in the league."

"TebowMania/AntiTebow is so intense, the Broncos may now have the worst home-field advantage in the NFL..

Read more: Mike Klis: TebowMania dividing Broncos fans, hurting home-field advantage - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18919743#ixzz1YIigHqLE


He's qualifiying his statement by using the qualifier "may", but his intent is clear...he's saying that it doesn't get worse than Broncos fans. Read between the lines, and that says that Broncos fans are the worst in the league. Pretty simple really.

Miss I.
09-18-2011, 04:06 AM
We should just agree to disagree. I tend to think his article was just an opinion on the fanbase being divided and how that impacts the fans attending the game.

I don't agree that it was worse or that it "may be" worst home field in the league. He's very careful to couch his assertions with "May"to Cover his ass and have an exit strategy if something definitively shows he is wrong. Frankly I thought the fans were pretty loud a the game against the Raiders.

Frankly if I had to define poor places for homefield advantage I would list Arizona and San Diego because both fan bases are either full of bandwagoners or there just aren't very many dedicated fans.

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 04:07 AM
We should just agree to disagree. I tend to think his article was just an opinion on the fanbase being divided and how that impacts the fans attending the game.

I don't agree that it was worse or that it "may be" worst home field in the league. He's very careful to couch his assertions with "May"to Cover his ass and have an exit strategy if something definitively shows he is wrong. Frankly I thought the fans were pretty loud a the game against the Raiders.

Frankly if I had to define poor places for homefield advantage I would list Arizona and San Diego because both fan bases are either full of bandwagoners or there just aren't very many dedicated fans.

You aren't disagreeing with me.

His article wasn't a meandering bit of artsy prose. It had a clear statement, utilizing clear quotes, and wraps up with a clear point.

He calls Broncos fans "the worst in the league" at least twice in the bit. He's not trying to hide his purpose, though he's weaseling out by qualifying his statement with "may".

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 04:14 AM
Yes his intent is clear, but he wrote it very vaguely to cover his ass. I am just trying to point out you made erroneous statements. The title never stipulated worst home field, the article states it but in very couched terms to give Klis a way out of it. But again it's an opinion piece and I wouldn't expect anything different. None of this is fact based, it's just one opinion, one interpretation of events as he sees it. It's no more or less valid than yours or mine.

The title explicitly states that the Broncos home fans are possibly the worst in the NFL. I mean seriously...read the title.

I'm seriously getting weirded out here by your inability to admit that you are wrong. We're not married. Its okay. Ha!

TailgateNut
09-18-2011, 04:17 AM
And yet you stated "this clown thinks that its Tebow's fault that Broncos fans are sick of this"

If he's criticizing anyone, it's the fanbase, NOT Tebow. But the fact is, he is doing neither really. What he's saying, if you read it at all rationally, is that the QB controversy is dividing the fan base to the degree that home field advantage is degraded by the fact that the fans are either not cheering at all, booing, or too busy fighting with each other to support the team. I don't happen to think that's happening at the games themselves to the degree he's asserting, but it certainly is happening. Look at the OM, we are tearing each other down for any argument that we don't agree with. Is this happening at the game? I don't know, the crowds still seem pretty loud on TV to me. If anything has degraded home field advantage it's the selling of tickets to opposing teams fans by season ticket holders so that you will see more jerseys in another team's colors then our own. However, people are in fact tired of paying so much for tickets only to see our team lose. I get that.

I had three "Teboners" behind me in the ADA row cheering after every Bronco failure at the monday nighter. If I wouldn't have risked losing tickets we've had 'forever' i would have cold-cocked the one bastard. The other two were just along for the ride on Mr stupids' bus.
Then we have the ones who make a bunch of noise when we have the ball.
Just a bunch of ingnorant idiots. It's gone downhill for some thime.

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 04:19 AM
I had three "Teboners" behind me in the ADA row cheering after every Bronco failure at the monday nighter. If I wouldn't have risked losing tickets we've had 'forever' i would have cold-cocked the one bastard. The other two were just along for the ride on Mr stupids' bus.
Then we have the ones who make a bunch of noise when we have the ball.
Just a bunch of ingnorant idiots. It's gone downhill for some thime.

Well, you're obviously a unique case given your hatred for all things and all people Tebow, but seriously...on the broadcast it sounded like all of maybe 50-100 people out of the entire sold out crowd who chanted for Tebow. And that was only after Orton dropped an Ortie and lost the game for us.

During critical plays, Broncos fans were literally causing the cameras to shake.

Miss I.
09-18-2011, 04:23 AM
The title explicitly states that the Broncos home fans are possibly the worst in the NFL. I mean seriously...read the title.

I'm seriously getting weirded out here by your inability to admit that you are wrong. We're not married. Its okay. Ha!

I read the title you condescending prick, this is what it says
"Mike Klis: TebowMania dividing Broncos fans, hurting home-field advantage"

it does NOT USE THE WORD WORST.

He uses it in the article while couching it with the word "May"

Jay3
09-18-2011, 04:24 AM
During critical plays, Broncos fans were literally causing the cameras to shake.

It's going to be epic if Tebow can ever get on the field, the combination of his body language, aura, and success with the personality of the Denver fans. That place is going to be rockin'.

TailgateNut
09-18-2011, 04:25 AM
Well, you're obviously a unique case given your hatred for all things and all people Tebow, but seriously...on the broadcast it sounded like all of maybe 50-100 people out of the entire sold out crowd who chanted for Tebow. And that was only after Orton dropped an Ortie and lost the game for us.

During critical plays, Broncos fans were literally causing the cameras to shake.


I'm the unique case??? I wasn't the one cheering against MY team. They were. And regardless if Kyle or Timmy were to start, I'm still not rooting/heering against them. This kind of **** also happened when Plummer was on the field. Bronco Fans are a bunch of spoiled rotten arrogant and falsely entitled assholes. Just look on the OM for proof.

TailgateNut
09-18-2011, 04:26 AM
I read the title you condescending prick, this is what it says
"Mike Klis: TebowMania dividing Broncos fans, hurting home-field advantage"

it does NOT USE THE WORD WORST.

He uses it in the article while couching it with the word "May"


Love the avatar blip. Perfect for Ms Epic.

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 04:28 AM
I read the title you condescending prick, this is what it says
"Mike Klis: TebowMania dividing Broncos fans, hurting home-field advantage"

it does NOT USE THE WORD WORST.

He uses it in the article while couching it with the word "May"

Klis uses the word "worst" (worst in the league, worst in the NFL) to describe Broncos fans twice in the article. I already pointed that out a couple of times. I don't know if you missed it or what, but I'm simply trying to get that basic fact established here.

Hey, you said that I was saying "erroneous" things. Don't get mad when I show you that you were wrong. ;D You made the accusation.

TailgateNut
09-18-2011, 04:32 AM
BTW: I didn't read the article, nor do I need to, to comment. The home crowd is f-ing clueless. If you can get them fired up while the other team is in the huddle, they get all petered out by the time they get to the line, then when we have the ball you have, the eeeek crowd who seems to think they need to make a bunch of noise to fire up the offense. A bunch of clueless morons.

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 04:32 AM
BTW: I didn't read the article, nor do I need to, to comment. The home crowd is f-ing clueless. If you can get them fired up while the other team is in the huddle, they get all petered out by the time they get to the line, then when we have the ball you have, the eeeek crowd who seems to think they need to make a bunch of noise to fire up the offense. A bunch of clueless morons.

Did you sell your RV and your tickets?

Miss I.
09-18-2011, 04:35 AM
Klis uses the word "worst" (worst in the league, worst in the NFL) to describe Broncos fans twice in the article. I already pointed that out a couple of times. I don't know if you missed it or what, but I'm simply trying to get that basic fact established here.

Hey, you said that I was saying "erroneous" things. Don't get mad when I show you that you were wrong. ;D You made the accusation.

****, am I talking to the wall? You said it was in the TITLE. I posted the title and it is NOT IN THE TITLE OF THE ARTICLE. You are wrong about it being in the TITLE.

If you had said it was in the ARTICLE, you would be correct, but you said it was in the TITLE, which is in fact FALSE.

I will just go and enjoy my life here in England,. You go enjoy whatever it is you do enjoy doing aside from baiting people into pointless debates.

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 04:37 AM
****, am I talking to the wall? You said it was in the TITLE. I posted the title and it is NOT IN THE TITLE OF THE ARTICLE. You are wrong about it being in the TITLE.

If you had said it was in the ARTICLE, you would be correct, but you said it was in the TITLE, which is in fact FALSE.

I will just go and enjoy my life here in England,. You go enjoy whatever it is you do enjoy doing aside from baiting people into pointless debates.

Sorry, but you're the one who's arguing semantics here.

I originally brought up the title because you raised an issue with the association of Tebow with the premise of the writer. While he may not have said "the worst fans in the NFL" in the title, he certainly said it twice in the body of the article...elaborating on his premise in the title and furthering the depth of his premise. I assumed that you understood that.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-18-2011, 05:11 AM
I had three "Teboners" behind me in the ADA row cheering after every Bronco failure at the monday nighter. If I wouldn't have risked losing tickets we've had 'forever' i would have cold-cocked the one bastard. The other two were just along for the ride on Mr stupids' bus.
Then we have the ones who make a bunch of noise when we have the ball.
Just a bunch of ingnorant idiots. It's gone downhill for some thime.

Your such a tough guy.

TailgateNut
09-18-2011, 05:21 AM
Your such a tough guy.


.......and you're such an idiot. Go clean some pedpans!


Btw: maybe you didn't notice how these three Teboners were sitting in the ADA row. Kinda verifies my thoughts about Tebonites.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-18-2011, 05:32 AM
.......and you're such an idiot. Go clean some pedpans!


Btw: maybe you didn't notice how these three Teboners were sitting in the ADA row. Kinda verifies my thoughts about Tebonites.

So you were scared to fight some handicapped guy?

gunns
09-18-2011, 06:00 AM
Well, you're obviously a unique case given your hatred for all things and all people Tebow, but seriously...on the broadcast it sounded like all of maybe 50-100 people out of the entire sold out crowd who chanted for Tebow. And that was only after Orton dropped an Ortie and lost the game for us.

During critical plays, Broncos fans were literally causing the cameras to shake.

What??? I was watching the same broadcast and there is no way on God's green earth you could hear a Tebow chant amongst 76,000+ people if it were only 50-100 people. Get real.

After reading the article I'd say it's your gushing love for Tebow that is slanting your interpretation of the article. Do you feel a sense of being called out because of it? That article is about a home crowd, who supposedly loves their team, booing their team. Now you can rationalize the booing was only for Orton's play or poor coaching, what it comes down to is the crowd was booing the team.

I've read several articles regarding the game on Monday and the overall consensus among the general public that have commented is that Bronco fans are fairweather fans....and when referring to those fans Tebow is often thought to be the reason. Now I don't want Orton playing either but he isn't the only team member on the field so when you boo you boo the whole damn team. And when you can clearly hear Tebow being chanted the impression that is given is that it's "Tebowites" that are the instigators. And its was NOT only when Orton fumbled the ball. That statement was a little self serving. Bronco fans are gaining a negative rep and some's over hype of Tebow is the perception for bad behavior.

Dedhed
09-18-2011, 06:15 AM
It's only just begun. And the fascinating part is that this has to end with Tebow washing out, or else it will make the Broncos staff look even worse. If he blows up here in Denver or somewhere else, this will be looked back on as "that time they lost their minds and stubbornly refused to develop Tebow."

If Tebow washes out it will be forgotten. It always is.

That's what worries me about the polarizing nature of this debate. It makes me worried that Fox and Elway will, consciously or not, sabotage the development of Tebow so that they can say, "See, we were right".

I guess if they give him his first start against Green Bay, that cat will be out of the bag.

TailgateNut
09-18-2011, 06:26 AM
So you were scared to fight some handicapped guy?


No ya dillwad, these "tebonites" were not handicapped but somehow managed to cheat handicapped folks out of their seats. Typical Tebonites. Not one of the three idiots was physically handicapped. Mentally, yes, but not physically. Just like you.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-18-2011, 06:31 AM
No ya dillwad, these "tebonites" were not handicapped but somehow managed to cheat handicapped folks out of their seats. Typical Tebonites. Not one of the three idiots was physically handicapped. Mentally, yes, but not physically. Just like you.

It pleases me immensely to know that you were so unhappy. Especially knowing you had to pay money to be so miserable.

rugbythug
09-18-2011, 06:37 AM
No ya dillwad, these "tebonites" were not handicapped but somehow managed to cheat handicapped folks out of their seats. Typical Tebonites. Not one of the three idiots was physically handicapped. Mentally, yes, but not physically. Just like you.

You are such a bigot

TailgateNut
09-18-2011, 06:51 AM
You are such a bigot


I'm a bigot for taking axception to people using the ADA seats fraudulently?

**** off!

Kaylore
09-18-2011, 06:56 AM
Well this thread is a case in point...

rbackfactory80
09-18-2011, 06:57 AM
Not the worst, just the dumbest.

See TailgateSluts posts.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-18-2011, 06:59 AM
I'm a bigot for taking axception to people using the ADA seats fraudulently?

**** off!

A grown man who wishes to punch a handicapped fan at a football game. That's what you are. This fantasy about fighting other Bronco fans doesn't just apply to the handicapped. Tell us about your desire to throatpunch Discoman. That's interesting because if you are too scared to hit a retarded guy, what makes you think you can handle Disco?

BroncoBeavis
09-18-2011, 07:02 AM
Using the word "may" doesn't cover up the fact that the whole idea Klis puts out is just plain moronic. Name me the franchise that hasn't had a winning season in 5 years that still sells out home games and has such visibly loud support during games. They're passionate enough that even if you routinely field a turd sandwich, they'll still come out and let you know what they think.

vonqkilla
09-18-2011, 07:13 AM
John said he wants to reestablish hf advantage, watch the texans game.

TheReverend
09-18-2011, 07:35 AM
What I actually thought was interesting was Brandon Lloyd's quote that clearly supports the fans (Guess he's only semi-retarded then Rev?)

"I don't agree," Broncos receiver Brandon Lloyd said. "Players have to play better. The fans aren't going to stand up and cheer all doggone game when the team is giving up yards, and not running the ball and turning the ball over. The quarterback and the head coach get the brunt of all the bad stuff. That's the nature of the industry."

No, it SOUNDS like the Broncos people finally pulled him aside and taught him how to answer a ****ing question.

Dedhed
09-18-2011, 07:49 AM
What I actually thought was interesting was Brandon Lloyd's quote that clearly supports the fans (Guess he's only semi-retarded then Rev?)

"I don't agree," Broncos receiver Brandon Lloyd said. "Players have to play better. The fans aren't going to stand up and cheer all doggone game when the team is giving up yards, and not running the ball and turning the ball over. The quarterback and the head coach get the brunt of all the bad stuff. That's the nature of the industry."


I find this quote interesting for a different reason.

Firstly. Again it seems that Lloyd is the ONLY player who is willing to speak out at all in support of Orton.

Secondly- The quote calls out the defense and running game, no reference to the passing attack being accountable.

Taco John
09-18-2011, 08:02 AM
We talked about this a little in this past week's podcast. There's not much of a home field advantage for Orton because home is where the pressure is. I do think that evaporates if Tebow becomes the starter though. I think fans are - by the large part, maybe not unanimously - going to be more patient with Tebow than they're going to be with Orton.

Bronco Rob
09-18-2011, 08:04 AM
kilis is a clownshoe.

gyldenlove
09-18-2011, 08:07 AM
...this clown thinks that its Tebow's fault that Broncos fans are sick of this. Hilarious!


It's pretty obvious that he's not blaming Tebow directly. He's blaming fans for wanting to see Tebow, which is flat-out ridiculous.


The title explicitly states that the Broncos home fans are possibly the worst in the NFL.

While he may not have said "the worst fans in the NFL" in the title

So can you give us a quick sentence on what you think about this article that you won't retract a few minutes later?

Requiem
09-18-2011, 08:11 AM
What is going on in this thread?

elsid13
09-18-2011, 08:26 AM
What is going on in this thread?

Dramallama is being Dramallama. The world is flat and we are going to Hades because we don't love Tebow with all our hearts.

gyldenlove
09-18-2011, 08:26 AM
We talked about this a little in this past week's podcast. There's not much of a home field advantage for Orton because home is where the pressure is. I do think that evaporates if Tebow becomes the starter though. I think fans are - by the large part, maybe not unanimously - going to be more patient with Tebow than they're going to be with Orton.

That may have something to do with Orton's 2+ seasons of non-accomplishments, patience is like beer, it tends to run out after a while leaving only an empty feeling and a craving for chicken.

OrangeSe7en
09-18-2011, 08:28 AM
Yeah, Ignore the fact that the stadium was literally shaking until Orton lost the game for the Broncos and a smattering of fans chanted for Tebow.

Klis of the Denver Post says that Broncos fans are as bad as it gets: http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18919743

Never mind the fact that the Broncos havent made the playoffs since 2006, went 4-12 last season, have lost 4 straight to the Raiders including the most embarrassing home loss in franchise history, had the worst run defense in franchise history last season, and didnt address the roster needs in the offseason when plenty of options were availabe...no, forget all of that...this clown thinks that its Tebow's fault that Broncos fans are sick of this. Hilarious!

What the heck is wrong with this guy?

Klis is dumb. If you just ignore him, life is so much better. I don't know why the Post still has him on staff after how he stuck his neck out defending McDaniels. The guy is a joke. He must work for cheap.

OrangeSe7en
09-18-2011, 08:31 AM
I find this quote interesting for a different reason.

Firstly. Again it seems that Lloyd is the ONLY player who is willing to speak out at all in support of Orton.

Secondly- The quote calls out the defense and running game, no reference to the passing attack being accountable.

This. I like Lloyd but someone needs to put a gag order on him.

Ironlung
09-18-2011, 08:37 AM
I had three "Teboners" behind me in the ADA row cheering after every Bronco failure at the monday nighter. If I wouldn't have risked losing tickets we've had 'forever' i would have cold-cocked the one bastard. The other two were just along for the ride on Mr stupids' bus.
Then we have the ones who make a bunch of noise when we have the ball.
Just a bunch of ingnorant idiots. It's gone downhill for some thime.

Now you be careful out there, TailgateNutsack. Your ol geriatric ass will most likely get beat up.

CEH
09-18-2011, 08:39 AM
Explain to me how Tebow or Orton can help a defense that is always gashed by the run. 3rd and 13 draw for a 1st down. Defense is the only time the crowd can get loud. Tends to demoralize the team and fan base with 150+ rushing yards. Watching back on replay the effort given on DMacs 47 yard run was down right nauseating

The article should replace Denver might now have the worst HFA in the NFL with Denver does have the worst interior defensive line/MLB combo in the NFL.

OrangeSe7en
09-18-2011, 08:44 AM
Explain to me how Tebow or Orton can help a defense that is always gashed by the run. 3rd and 13 draw for a 1st down. Defense is the only time the crowd can get loud. Tends to demoralize the team and fan base with 150+ rushing yards. Watching back on replay the effort given on DMacs 47 yard run was down right nauseating

The article should replace Denver might now have the worst HFA in the NFL with Denver does have the worst interior defensive line/MLB combo in the NFL.

That game was winnable. Had Orton not pissed down his leg and fumbled AGAIN, Denver would have likely won.

steeledude
09-18-2011, 08:52 AM
Klit has always been an idiot. Now he is so upset the Broncos fans don't see things his way he is going to call them the worst in the NFL. Whatever. I watched the game last Monday and what I saw was a deafening, packed stadium that hung with the team until it blundered a win away. That's not poor fans.

I've had the privilege of reading some bad sports writing over the summer, but Klit consistently amazes with not only his poor writing abilities, but his inability to construct a solid line of critical thought process. I suppose he is a good little worker bee.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-18-2011, 08:55 AM
Actually, I thought the fans were the worst when they left their seats to hide on the concourse during the rain that was falling... and then didn't bother to see if it had stopped after it had. Pathetic.

Te-bots are not helping the situation, though.

steeledude
09-18-2011, 08:57 AM
I'm the unique case??? I wasn't the one cheering against MY team. They were. And regardless if Kyle or Timmy were to start, I'm still not rooting/heering against them. This kind of **** also happened when Plummer was on the field. Bronco Fans are a bunch of spoiled rotten arrogant and falsely entitled a-holes. Just look on the OM for proof.

I can't say whether or not the rest of your statement is true, but I do know this: Plummer was badass. I said that since the day they free agented him, and I stuck with him to the bitter end no matter how many Broncos fans I heard say he sucked.

Rohirrim
09-18-2011, 09:04 AM
I wish we would have used those three picks on DTs.

maven
09-18-2011, 09:07 AM
You cannot have the worst home field crowd in the NFL if fans pack the stadium. This isn't oakland or jax where fans aren't showing up.

Dedhed
09-18-2011, 09:13 AM
Explain to me how Tebow or Orton can help a defense that is always gashed by the run.

By putting points on the board and forcing them out of a run dominant game plan. Was that hard?

Blueflame
09-18-2011, 09:13 AM
Ironically, this thread... made to criticize the article... emphatically proves the basic premise of it (that the differences of opinion regarding who should be the starting QB have become so toxic as to affect home field advantage) to be pretty accurate. When it goes to namecalling and personal attacks due to intolerance of an opposing opinion, it's pretty sad.

It's one thing to form an "engraved-in-granite opinion"... it's totally another to personally attack or insult someone else who happens to have formed a different opinion. And ultimately... nothing that any one of us thinks is going to make the slightest difference in what the coaches and front office decide to do.

OrangeSe7en
09-18-2011, 09:17 AM
Ironically, this thread... made to criticize the article... emphatically proves the basic premise of it (that the differences of opinion regarding who should be the starting QB have become so toxic as to affect home field advantage) to be pretty accurate. When it goes to namecalling and personal attacks due to intolerance of an opposing opinion, it's pretty sad.

It's one thing to form an "engraved-in-granite opinion"... it's totally another to personally attack or insult someone else who happens to have formed a different opinion. And ultimately... nothing that any one of us thinks is going to make the slightest difference in what the coaches and front office decide to do.

No it doesnt.

ColoradoDarin
09-18-2011, 09:33 AM
I saw the camera shaking for most of the night from the crowd noise. Klis is wrong and stupid.

Jax with the tarped off sections, oakland with the thugs and not full stadium, SD's fair weather's are easily 3 worse fan bases.

Bronx33
09-18-2011, 09:38 AM
Klis is paid to have an opinion treat it as such.

OrangeSe7en
09-18-2011, 09:43 AM
Klis is paid to have an opinion treat it as such.

Isnt Klis a beat writer?

theAPAOps5
09-18-2011, 09:47 AM
My area was great on Monday, something I haven't seen in Mile High in games past. Fans do need to shut up on offense but they eventually do quiet down.

Klis is a stupid writer who the players have no respect for and who most in Denver just ignore.

Bronco Vixen
09-18-2011, 10:04 AM
After spending thousands and thousands of dollars over the years and countless nonrefundable hours of my life that otherwise could've been spent productively and in a non-emotionally toll-taking manner, I for one am growing weary of everyone telling me who I can cheer for, who I can't, who I can boo, who I can't sideline with a crowbar to the knees etc.

The fan gestapo must be stopped.

Bronx33
09-18-2011, 10:09 AM
After spending thousands and thousands of dollars over the years and countless nonrefundable hours of my life that otherwise could've been spent productively and in a non-emotionally toll-taking manner, I for one am growing weary of everyone telling me who I can cheer for, who I can't, who I can boo, who I can't sideline with a crowbar to the knees etc.

The fan gestapo must be stopped.


You are coming along nicely Fraulein..

Blueflame
09-18-2011, 10:25 AM
No it doesnt.

Yes, it does... this thread clearly illustrates deep divisions between the fans. There are personal attacks and namecalling and general intolerance of any views other than one's own.

OrangeSe7en
09-18-2011, 10:30 AM
Yes, it does... this thread clearly illustrates deep divisions between the fans. There are personal attacks and namecalling and general intolerance of any views other than one's own.

It doesnt bolster the idea that Denver is the worst fanbase. That was the premise of his piece. His support, whatever it was, because the original premise wasnt even correct to begin with.

The other thing is that Klis has had a history of defending Dove Valley, including a number of articles that can be described as McDaniels propaganda. If Klis is speaking this way, you have to wonder if there isn't this kind of sentiment within Dove Valley.

Blueflame
09-18-2011, 10:57 AM
It doesnt bolster the idea that Denver is the worst fanbase. That was the premise of his piece. His support, whatever it was, because the original premise wasnt even correct to begin with.

The other thing is that Klis has had a history of defending Dove Valley, including a number of articles that can be described as McDaniels propaganda. If Klis is speaking this way, you have to wonder if there isn't this kind of sentiment within Dove Valley.

Please re-read my post that you quoted. I said... it "emphatically proves the basic premise of it (that the differences of opinion regarding who should be the starting QB have become so toxic as to affect home field advantage) to be pretty accurate."

My point is that even here on the Mane, the atmosphere has become toxic. Disagree with someone and you're called an idiot or a moron or far worse. If it's happening here, it's probably happening in the stadium too.

bronco militia
09-18-2011, 10:59 AM
sure klis...it's also Tebow's fault Kyle Orton is so ****ty at home

OrangeSe7en
09-18-2011, 10:59 AM
Please re-read my post that you quoted. I said... it "emphatically proves the basic premise of it (that the differences of opinion regarding who should be the starting QB have become so toxic as to affect home field advantage) to be pretty accurate."

My point is that even here on the Mane, the atmosphere has become toxic. Disagree with someone and you're called an idiot or a moron or far worse. If it's happening here, it's probably happening in the stadium too.

I saw that and acknowledged it by pointing out that this wasn't his premise. It's not that I didn't read your post. It's that what you posted was wrong. Please go back and re-read my post.

If you want to say its a divided fanbase, OK...so? That has nothing to do with the theme of Denver having the worst fanbase.

Blueflame
09-18-2011, 11:01 AM
I saw that and acknowledged it by pointing out that this wasn't his premise. Please go back and re-read my post.

Whatever....

Pendejo
09-18-2011, 11:01 AM
No ya dillwad, these "tebonites" were not handicapped but somehow managed to cheat handicapped folks out of their seats. Typical Tebonites. Not one of the three idiots was physically handicapped. Mentally, yes, but not physically. Just like you.

Don't take any guff from these potzers.

Taco John
09-18-2011, 11:07 AM
There's nothing wrong with the fans. The problems this organization has comes from the very top. So long as Bowlen and Ellis stay out of Elway's way, I suspect things have a good chance of improving. But if they don't give him the support he needs (ie. $$$), this thing will fail and things will only get worse.

Tyrell Jones
09-18-2011, 11:21 AM
da problem is most of the folks dat live in Denver are from other towns. da raiders bring in the most fans to a denver game. denver fans are weak and dis loyal. they let other teams fans take over there crib.

FrankieTwoThumbs
09-18-2011, 11:24 AM
It doesnt bolster the idea that Denver is the worst fanbase. That was the premise of his piece. His support, whatever it was, because the original premise wasnt even correct to begin with.

The other thing is that Klis has had a history of defending Dove Valley, including a number of articles that can be described as McDaniels propaganda. If Klis is speaking this way, you have to wonder if there isn't this kind of sentiment within Dove Valley.

You understand what premise means right? Because it doesn't mean conclusion.

OrangeSe7en
09-18-2011, 11:25 AM
You understand what premise means right? Because it doesn't mean conclusion.

You understand what correlation means right?

Dr. Broncenstein
09-18-2011, 11:29 AM
da problem is most of the folks dat live in Denver are from other towns. da raiders bring in the most fans to a denver game. denver fans are weak and dis loyal. they let other teams fans take over there crib.

Dats only in da mornin. You sposed to be up makin brefast or somethin. It's lika alarm clock. WOoo WOOOo!

Taco John
09-18-2011, 11:33 AM
da problem is most of the folks dat live in Denver are from other towns. da raiders bring in the most fans to a denver game. denver fans are weak and dis loyal. they let other teams fans take over there crib.

That's not true. The Steelers probably bring the most fans to a Denver game. Oakland doesn't really represent well in Denver.

Bronx33
09-18-2011, 11:33 AM
da problem is most of the folks dat live in Denver are from other towns. da raiders bring in the most fans to a denver game. denver fans are weak and dis loyal. they let other teams fans take over there crib.

You have no idea whats going on

Dukes
09-18-2011, 11:34 AM
Does any coach cry as much as Haley? Good god

Kaylore
09-18-2011, 11:41 AM
da problem is most of the folks dat live in Denver are from other towns. da raiders bring in the most fans to a denver game. denver fans are weak and dis loyal. they let other teams fans take over there crib.

First, are you really such an idiot that you have to use a "d" instead of a "th"?

Second, I've been Steeler and Raider games in Denver. You guys aren't even close. Not even a little bit. The Chiefs pull more fans than you do.

lonestar
09-18-2011, 11:56 AM
da problem is most of the folks dat live in Denver are from other towns. da raiders bring in the most fans to a denver game. denver fans are weak and dis loyal. they let other teams fans take over there crib.

somehow I feel dumber after trying to decode this..

Hamrob
09-18-2011, 11:57 AM
This is hilarious! If you're not for Tebow..........then, you must be for Orton.

Simply amazing, that Kyle Orton can command such a following. It's truly fascinating to me to see how so many fans are defending Orton, like he's the next Elway.

Whether you are a Tebow fan or not, we spent a first round pick on him (by McDaniels who I couldn't stand). Why not give the kid a shot for craps sake. Really, what is there to lose. Let's find out what his potential is, now, while we have the perfect oppurtunity.

Do any of you really, honestly....................believe in KYLE ORTON??

If so, I want to save your posts....because this will be comical a couple years from now.

lonestar
09-18-2011, 12:00 PM
This hilarious! If you're not for Tebow..........then, you must be for Orton.

Simply amazing, that Kyle Orton can command such a following. It's truly fascinating to me to see how so many fans are defending Orton, like he's the next Elway.

Whether you are a Tebow fan or not, we spent a first round pick on him (by McDaniels who I couldn't stand). Why not give the kid a shot for craps sake. Really, what is there to lose. Let's find out what his potential is, now, while we have the perfect oppurtunity.

Do any of you really, honestly....................believe in KYLE ORTON??

If so, I want to save your posts....because this will be comical a couple years from now.


It matters not what the fans want.
It is all based on what the Veterans on the team want.

They still seem to be solid behind Orton.. until that changes he plays.

Hamrob
09-18-2011, 12:06 PM
It matters not what the fans want.
It is all based on what the Veterans on the team want.

They still seem to be solid behind Orton.. until that changes he plays.Sure, I get that Lonestar....
But, really...what have these vets done to command that respect?

Orton is what 5-18 his last 23 games....

This team isn't going to win enough games to make the playoffs. I'm taking bets if anyone is interested?

So, why prolong the inevitable? So, Brandon Lloyd can be happy about his stats. Screw him and the rest of this non-talented team!

Play Tebow...see if he's worth, giving a shot to in 2012. If he's not, ship him out and draft a kid next year....and let's be done with it.

My money says, we win today and Orton performs well. Who cares....it will be against the Bungles at home...it doesn't change the fact, that he's an average at best QB, he is not our QB of the future, and this team is not a playoff team!

Play Tebow already!

DrFate
09-18-2011, 12:51 PM
But, really...what have these vets done to command that respect?

Maybe they enjoy those internet pix of a drunk Orton with unattractive women all over him? Maybe it helps his 'cred'?

Requiem
09-18-2011, 01:08 PM
somehow I feel dumber after trying to decode this..

You be nice JRWIZ.

FrankieTwoThumbs
09-18-2011, 01:39 PM
You understand what correlation means right?

I thought I did, but it didn't have anything to do with reversing the definitions of premise and conclusion. Fill me in on that part please.

OrangeSe7en
09-18-2011, 01:43 PM
I thought I did, but it didn't have anything to do with reversing the definitions of premise and conclusion. Fill me in on that part please.

Correlation is what ties a premise to a conclusion.

bpc
09-18-2011, 01:53 PM
Bowlen's cheapness and bad moves (2 years of McDaniels) pile-drived the franchise. That's what polarized the fan-base. Unfortunately for Kyle Orton he is, and forever will be associated with the McDaniels regime. Not only that, he doesn't have what it takes to bring us back up to the top.

I think Elway has done a solid job, I think Fox is a very consistent presence but there are still some things that the fan-base really dislikes about what's going on in Dove Valley. Bowlen being one of them, and he knows it. That's why he brought John back to attempt to pacify the masses who were pissed off at him. It isn't so much about Tebow other than the fact that he's a hard worker and a likable guy... somebody the Broncos haven't really had under center since Elway was in town. He provides hope, even as raw as he is.

gyldenlove
09-18-2011, 02:41 PM
That's not true. The Steelers probably bring the most fans to a Denver game. Oakland doesn't really represent well in Denver.

Steelers have a pretty solid fanbase everywhere because they had that dynasty in the 70s hooking a lot of people onto them and then again a run of success in the early to mid 90s combined with the number of expat Pittsburgians that spread everywhere like roaches or irishmen.

Blueflame
09-18-2011, 02:45 PM
Correlation is what ties a premise to a conclusion.

However, there is a fairly major difference between a premise and a conclusion and that's what he was pointing out.

gyldenlove
09-18-2011, 02:51 PM
Correlation is what ties a premise to a conclusion.

No it isn't, you are clearly not a statistician.

There is a lovely correlation between the incidence of cancer and the number of cell-phones per capita - sadly the incidence of cancer always trends up some years ahead of cell-phones so by your misguided notion of correlation we should conclude that cancer causes people to buy cellphones - which is obviously nonsense.

The premise of the article is that some people are more fans of Tebow than they are fans of the team and by extension they do not agree with decisions made by the team and choose to vocalize said disagreement.

The conclusion is that because there is a disagreement among the fans (he substantiates this by mentioning the couple of times he did a poll amongs different fan groups and the booing during mondays homegame) the Broncos are losing their homefield advantage.

OrangeSe7en
09-18-2011, 03:02 PM
No it isn't, you are clearly not a statistician.

There is a lovely correlation between the incidence of cancer and the number of cell-phones per capita - sadly the incidence of cancer always trends up some years ahead of cell-phones so by your misguided notion of correlation we should conclude that cancer causes people to buy cellphones - which is obviously nonsense.

The premise of the article is that some people are more fans of Tebow than they are fans of the team and by extension they do not agree with decisions made by the team and choose to vocalize said disagreement.

The conclusion is that because there is a disagreement among the fans (he substantiates this by mentioning the couple of times he did a poll amongs different fan groups and the booing during mondays homegame) the Broncos are losing their homefield advantage.

I don't read Klis articles. I don't know why you even bothered.

Taco John
09-18-2011, 04:24 PM
That crowd was into it until the very end today.

lonestar
09-18-2011, 04:27 PM
Sure, I get that Lonestar....
But, really...what have these vets done to command that respect?

Orton is what 5-18 his last 23 games....

This team isn't going to win enough games to make the playoffs. I'm taking bets if anyone is interested?

So, why prolong the inevitable? So, Brandon Lloyd can be happy about his stats. Screw him and the rest of this non-talented team!

Play Tebow...see if he's worth, giving a shot to in 2012. If he's not, ship him out and draft a kid next year....and let's be done with it.

My money says, we win today and Orton performs well. Who cares....it will be against the Bungles at home...it doesn't change the fact, that he's an average at best QB, he is not our QB of the future, and this team is not a playoff team!

Play Tebow already!


It does not matter what YOU think about those Vets. But it does matter to JOhn and John so get used to it..

I do not think he is a world beater and I'd love to see Tebow play.. But UNTIL the Players call for it it is not going to happen..

Mike screwed the pooch when he put griese in over Bubby that will be remembered forever in Dove Valley it will not happen again..

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 04:38 PM
That crowd was into it until the very end today.

Cameras were shaking on big plays again.

Klis is full of turd.

enjolras
09-18-2011, 04:59 PM
The crowd came on at the end... at least in my section (103) it was pretty passive today. Everything just felt really flat in the stands.

It was great fun there at the end tho:)

Go Broncos!

ol#7
09-18-2011, 05:04 PM
Anybody catch OT between SF and Dallas? When Holley made that catch in OT, the crowd ROARED for Dallas. That is a terrible home crowd!

TailgateNut
09-18-2011, 07:57 PM
A grown man who wishes to punch a handicapped fan at a football game. That's what you are. This fantasy about fighting other Bronco fans doesn't just apply to the handicapped. Tell us about your desire to throatpunch Discoman. That's interesting because if you are too scared to hit a retarded guy, what makes you think you can handle Disco?


Good grief, you are one hell of a moron. What part of "people who were NOT handicapped were sitting in the ADA seats" do you not comprehend?

...and you want people to believe you're a doctor. Hilarious!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-18-2011, 09:08 PM
da problem is most of the folks dat live in Denver are from other towns. da raiders bring in the most fans to a denver game. denver fans are weak and dis loyal. they let other teams fans take over there crib.

Sorry, but I cannot let you pass into the 3rd grade until you've learned how to use "the" in a sentence.

Agamemnon
09-18-2011, 09:18 PM
The fanbase is done with Orton. This is what happens when a fanbase has enough of a crappy QB. This is nothing new...

Agamemnon
09-18-2011, 09:20 PM
Anybody catch OT between SF and Dallas? When Holley made that catch in OT, the crowd ROARED for Dallas. That is a terrible home crowd!

San Francisco is what happens when a team sticks with a crappy QB too long. Fans simply stop caring. This is true of every fanbase in the NFL.

maher_tyler
09-18-2011, 09:26 PM
I've watch countless games on TV. I don't recall seeing the camera shake the way it did Monday night and at a couple of points in todays game.

colonelbeef
09-18-2011, 10:18 PM
What do you expect? Captain McFistpump sucked the life out of all but the most retarded members of the fanbase with his horrendous personnel moves coupled with his terrible coaching decisions. The fans were right to abandon ship, and are right in waiting until the team proves that it is headed in the right direction.

The Broncos have as fervent and loyal a fanbase as there is in the league. Recognizing and refusing to support a **** sandwich is an admirable trait in my opinion. Otherwise we are the Chicago Cubs, and nobody wants to be the Chicago Cubs.

yay cubs.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-18-2011, 10:41 PM
Good grief, you are one hell of a moron. What part of "people who were NOT handicapped were sitting in the ADA seats" do you not comprehend?

...and you want people to believe you're a doctor. Hilarious!

Did you get to almost fight any bronco fans this week, or have you already passed the torch?

broncocalijohn
09-18-2011, 10:49 PM
da problem is most of the folks dat live in Denver are from other towns. da raiders bring in the most fans to a denver game. denver fans are weak and dis loyal. they let other teams fans take over there crib.

By any chance, could this be Casino Royale's cousin from the crib of Chokeland. Bad enough his name is Ty-rellllll, but the stereotype he brings out is 2nd only to his cuz Casino Royale.

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 10:50 PM
Did you get to almost fight any bronco fans this week, or have you already passed the torch?

The only thing he's fighting is a receding hairline.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-18-2011, 10:59 PM
The only thing he's fighting is a receding hairline.

I'm honestly captivated by his stories of almost fighting fellow Broncos fans, especially those in the designated handicapped areas. It's like reading a certain poster's "almost got laid" threads, only TGN's cool stories are exponentially more entertaining.

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 11:07 PM
I'm honestly captivated by his stories of almost fighting fellow Broncos fans, especially those in the designated handicapped areas. It's like reading a certain poster's "almost got laid" threads, only TGN's cool stories are exponentially more entertaining.

As the Broncos Tailgate World Turns, I suppose.

I didn't know that they filmed telenovelas in Lot C of Mile High.

broncocalijohn
09-18-2011, 11:09 PM
^ Does TGN get punch blocked? If he follows through unlike You Know WHO (MiGHTY Smurf) then the stories can be more entertaining.

TailgateNut
09-19-2011, 02:19 AM
The fanbase is done with Orton. This is what happens when a fanbase has enough of a crappy QB. This is nothing new...

Love how you seem to speak for "the fanbase" as if you read minds, when in reality, the fanbase doesn't seem to agree.

TailgateNut
09-19-2011, 02:23 AM
I'm honestly captivated by his stories of almost fighting fellow Broncos fans, especially those in the designated handicapped areas. It's like reading a certain poster's "almost got laid" threads, only TGN's cool stories are exponentially more entertaining.


Hell, you're captivated by the box of blocks in the kiddie waiting room.

bendog
09-19-2011, 07:45 AM
Tebowmania is sort of lame, but Klis saying that Den has to let Tebow go if they keep Orton is just stupid sportswriting trying to find something to say. Elway isn't offering orton an extension and even considered drafting a qb LAST year. The verdict isn't in on Tebow, but it is on Orton.

lonestar
09-19-2011, 08:01 AM
Love how you seem to speak for "the fanbase" as if you read minds, when in reality, the fanbase doesn't seem to agree.

Actually the fanbase is pretty much done with Orton. Those that do not want TEbow want a rookie next year. Only a handful of folks see Orton as the future.

Frankly unless they franchise him next year there is probably not enough money left in DEN to entice Orton to stick around, the fan base and their chants have him playing his contract year to get the he'll out of Here.

He has been nothing but than a professional in his responses and I'm sure he has to be asking himself why he did nit take a smaller contract to get the hell out of here and fom John Es huge shadow. And the fanbase that has him on a pedestal that no mere mortal human can replace.
Mer

bendog
09-19-2011, 08:07 AM
I think Sea or KC would be a lot better with Orton. He's done here, though.

Pony Boy
09-19-2011, 12:07 PM
Come on guys we were told when being raised to eat what's on your plate, don't ask questions.

So sit back, STFU and enjoy what Bowlen and Elway are shoving down you throats, don't ask questions, they know what's best for you.

Blueflame
09-19-2011, 12:19 PM
Love how you seem to speak for "the fanbase" as if you read minds, when in reality, the fanbase doesn't seem to agree.

I must have missed the "official fanbase meeting" where Agamemnon was elected as the "official fanbase spokesman"....

Blueflame
09-19-2011, 12:34 PM
Actually the fanbase is pretty much done with Orton. Those that do not want TEbow want a rookie next year. Only a handful of folks see Orton as the future.

Frankly unless they franchise him next year there is probably not enough money left in DEN to entice Orton to stick around, the fan base and their chants have him playing his contract year to get the he'll out of Here.

He has been nothing but than a professional in his responses and I'm sure he has to be asking himself why he did nit take a smaller contract to get the hell out of here and fom John Es huge shadow. And the fanbase that has him on a pedestal that no mere mortal human can replace.
Mer

Orton's in a tough position. He never asked to be in Denver and came to town under tough circumstances (as a consequence of the Cutler trade) and some fans instantly hated him for that (perceiving Orton to be nowhere near as good a QB as Cutler). Then McDaniels drafted Tebow and yet another segment of the fanbase instantly hated Orton for standing between Tebow and the starting job.

Like you, I don't expect Orton to be in Denver next year... however, as a part of "the fanbase", I'm personally not "done with Orton" yet. As long as he's the starting QB, I'm going to support him and actively root for him to do well because his success means success for the team.

Rabb
09-19-2011, 12:41 PM
Orton's in a tough position. He never asked to be in Denver and came to town under tough circumstances (as a consequence of the Cutler trade) and some fans instantly hated him for that (perceiving Orton to be nowhere near as good a QB as Cutler). Then McDaniels drafted Tebow and yet another segment of the fanbase instantly hated Orton for standing between Tebow and the starting job.

Like you, I don't expect Orton to be in Denver next year... however, as a part of "the fanbase", I'm personally not "done with Orton" yet. As long as he's the starting QB, I'm going to support him and actively root for him to do well because his success means success for the team.

samesies

and for what it's worth, I thought the place was pretty rockin' at some points last night...was a good environment where I was (505), but that could have been largely due to the drunken "whooooooo" chick in front of us

bendog
09-19-2011, 12:47 PM
Actually, EFX is the only bright spot I've seen since McD blew into town.

Blueflame
09-19-2011, 12:51 PM
Actually, EFX is the only bright spot I've seen since McD blew into town.

Agreed... at least on the "EF" part. I'm still a little leery of Xanders... and wouldn't mind a bit if Ellis was jettisoned.

bendog
09-19-2011, 12:58 PM
I think Ellis is just "owner's guy looking at everything." He doesn't have authority to change any football decisions, but he reports to Bowlen on money and if anything thing seems off. One thing has changed since Shanny is that the owner has his own eyes looking at everything. Bowlen got into the decision of who would be on McD's staff, and that was really the beginning of the whole Lambchop clusterfk.

X is a respected cap and negotiation guy. I really don't know who is in charge of scouting. Well, I know who is in charge, but I don't really know how much imput X has in player selection. Elway indicated it was a done by consensus by taking the scouting consensus and running it through EFX and getting a consensus there. Fox was deep into player selection in Car, which is why Richardson fired him ... Richardson didn't even want to field a team last year. I anyone thinks Bowlen went cheap, and count me as one of them, Bowlen's cheap doesn't compare to Richardson's

Blueflame
09-19-2011, 01:13 PM
I think Ellis is just "owner's guy looking at everything." He doesn't have authority to change any football decisions, but he reports to Bowlen on money and if anything thing seems off. One thing has changed since Shanny is that the owner has his own eyes looking at everything. Bowlen got into the decision of who would be on McD's staff, and that was really the beginning of the whole Lambchop clusterfk.

X is a respected cap and negotiation guy. I really don't know who is in charge of scouting. Well, I know who is in charge, but I don't really know how much imput X has in player selection. Elway indicated it was a done by consensus by taking the scouting consensus and running it through EFX and getting a consensus there. Fox was deep into player selection in Car, which is why Richardson fired him ... Richardson didn't even want to field a team last year. I anyone thinks Bowlen went cheap, and count me as one of them, Bowlen's cheap doesn't compare to Richardson's

Guess my skepticism on both (Xanders and Ellis) stems from the fact that they were both around, but the McDaniels fiasco was nonetheless allowed to happen. :)

bendog
09-19-2011, 01:36 PM
Guess my skepticism on both (Xanders and Ellis) stems from the fact that they were both around, but the McDaniels fiasco was nonetheless allowed to happen. :)

Well, some here question Elway and Fox's player evaluation creds, which I find to be absurd because Elway's a coach's son who grew up watching how players are evaluated, then played in the nfl for 16 years and ran his own team, discovering btw a championship qb on another team's roster and getting the guy, and Fox was a DC for Coughlin in one superbowl and took Car to one superbowl and another NFC championship, drafting players like Peppers Beason and Morgan

Neither have experiene in cap or really player contract negotaitions, but that's X's resume. As a full control GM ... no. It seems like every owner has a majordomo.

Will EFX be successful? I dunno. Luck's involved. Pun intended. The team's so bad that it's not like they can afford to trade out of a draft where the talent is sort of thin. Assuming they have a shot at any of the top three qb's in the next draft, I'll be surprised if they don't take one, unless they think the kid in Ariz will be around in round 2, and they don't like something about one of the top 3.

Blueflame
09-19-2011, 02:04 PM
Well, some here question Elway and Fox's player evaluation creds, which I find to be absurd because Elway's a coach's son who grew up watching how players are evaluated, then played in the nfl for 16 years and ran his own team, discovering btw a championship qb on another team's roster and getting the guy, and Fox was a DC for Coughlin in one superbowl and took Car to one superbowl and another NFC championship, drafting players like Peppers Beason and Morgan

Neither have experiene in cap or really player contract negotaitions, but that's X's resume. As a full control GM ... no. It seems like every owner has a majordomo.

Will EFX be successful? I dunno. Luck's involved. Pun intended. The team's so bad that it's not like they can afford to trade out of a draft where the talent is sort of thin. Assuming they have a shot at any of the top three qb's in the next draft, I'll be surprised if they don't take one, unless they think the kid in Ariz will be around in round 2, and they don't like something about one of the top 3.

At least EFX didn't focus on offensive players in the first round when what we desperately needed was defense. Von Miller looks like he'll be a force to be reckoned with on our team for a long time.

EFX's work is cut out for them... undoing the damage McDaniels left in his wake.