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DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 02:37 PM
Am I the only one out there hoping that this happens with Orton behind center?

Let's face it - we possibly have a shot at beating the Bengals and Titans albeit a small shot and virtually no shot at GB and SD. If this happens will be maybe see an adjustment being made?

I doubt it but one can hope.

TheReverend
09-17-2011, 02:38 PM
Resigned to the possibility but far from hoping. Still hoping we win

Broncosfreak_56
09-17-2011, 02:38 PM
As a BRONCOS fan, I want them to win every game.

TheReverend
09-17-2011, 02:41 PM
As a BRONCOS fan, I want them to win every game.

Meh, I think what he's trying to say is that long-term it might be a better fix.

He's not hoping to lose to spite Orton, but for Luck/some change, etc.

I think.

cutthemdown
09-17-2011, 02:41 PM
Why so you can then have your last little myopic dream shattered. When a team is bad its easy to point to the QB who is playing very avg. Look at Campbell in Oakland though, he had a fumble, didn't lose it, the team afraid to even let him pass the ball, all he does are draws and screens, but he has been winning more then Orton because he has a killer rb.

Go ahead and wait Broncos will eventually put Tebow in and still lose. Why? because the oline isn't very good, the rbs stink, the dt aren't good, the DE don't do much and the linebacking quite honestly IMO the worst in the NFL when DJ is not playing.

maher_tyler
09-17-2011, 02:41 PM
Am I the only one out there hoping that this happens with Orton behind center?

Let's face it - we possibly have a shot at beating the Bengals and Titans albeit a small shot and virtually no shot at GB and SD. If this happens will be maybe see an adjustment being made?

I doubt it but one can hope.

After seeing Orton Monday night...0-5 is going to happen with him as the starter, i have no doubt. 2-14/3-13 are very possible with this team! Buffalo and KC are the only teams i see us beating! ****ing pathetic...as Cubs fans always say, there's always next year!

RhymesayersDU
09-17-2011, 02:42 PM
I don't understand hoping we lose, but I agree the possibility is there.

DHallblows
09-17-2011, 02:45 PM
As a Broncos fan, I am definitely not hoping that the Broncos go 0-5 to start the season...I would assume only a rival team's fan would hope that we lose our first 5 ???

tsiguy96
09-17-2011, 02:47 PM
I don't understand hoping we lose, but I agree the possibility is there.

i dont think anyone is hoping we are lose, more like realistically predicting that this team does not match up well against ANYONE. atleast last year this team could successfully pass the ball often, this year even that seems to have been blown up.

broncosteven
09-17-2011, 02:51 PM
I think we win at least 1 of the next 2, I don't see why we can't beat KFC at least once (if they keep sucking as bad as last week maybe sweep them) I think we have a good shot at Oakland next time if healthy.

We are going to be killed vs GB and Patsys, there will be at least 5 really ugly games, and another 5 like last week.

If we go 6-10 that will show improvement over mCd and we should have another good draft and next year the only excuse will be breaking in a new QB (and RB) ok maybe a couple excuses until 2014

oubronco
09-17-2011, 02:52 PM
I hope they win every game but reality says they win 2-4 at best and will be in the Luck sweepstakes

broncosteven
09-17-2011, 02:52 PM
i dont think anyone is hoping we are lose, more like realistically predicting that this team does not match up well against ANYONE. atleast last year this team could successfully pass the ball often, this year even that seems to have been blown up.

It appears that once I entered UnicornHappyLand everyone else left...

broncocalijohn
09-17-2011, 02:52 PM
We can lse 5 in a row but if we lose this one, it might be more on all the injuries. We are not very good as it is but we are thin at many positions. Desperate win for Sunday.

OrangeSe7en
09-17-2011, 02:55 PM
We can lse 5 in a row but if we lose this one, it might be more on all the injuries. We are not very good as it is but we are thin at many positions. Desperate win for Sunday.

Also, to go along with that. If we lose this one, we'll be down 0-2 at home out of the gate. Who knows though. With all the sensitive guys, it might play better on the road. Doubt it, but it could happen.

TDmvp
09-17-2011, 02:55 PM
I wish in some crazy U.S. Immigration Services mix up Luck would get deported just so I would stop hearing about him.

maher_tyler
09-17-2011, 02:56 PM
We can lse 5 in a row but if we lose this one, it might be more on all the injuries. We are not very good as it is but we are thin at many positions. Desperate win for Sunday.

Even if we were fully healthy, we would lose because of these 3 reasons:

1. Orton
2. Run D
3. O line

TheDave
09-17-2011, 02:57 PM
were in trouble folks... That recent monkey with a gun we called coach absolutely gutted this team.

gunns
09-17-2011, 03:01 PM
Anything is possible. Me, I'm just happy watching Eric Decker.

TheReverend
09-17-2011, 03:02 PM
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Dr. Broncenstein
09-17-2011, 03:03 PM
That Packer game is going to be epic lulz.

oubronco
09-17-2011, 03:04 PM
That Packer game is going to be epic lulz.

There will be several of those

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 03:05 PM
Meh, I think what he's trying to say is that long-term it might be a better fix.

He's not hoping to lose to spite Orton, but for Luck/some change, etc.

I think.

Correct - I want a 16-0 season but that's not going to happen. My second choice is to be competitive, at least, if you're just going to stink it up. That means showing us that you (coaching/FO) actually want to win as well and are willing to make changes on the fly to make this team competitive.

If your veteran QB is horrible all the way to week 15 don't make the change - that shows us that you're half witted and slightly retarded for not making the change earlier.

Bob's your Information Minister
09-17-2011, 03:05 PM
You bastards....we have to play the Colts in a couple weeks....if you take the cellar from us early in the season it's gonna loom all year long.

And in this sort of race, there's no silver medal for second place. :(

http://www.gridirongenerals.com/images/NCAA/PAC10/Stanford-Cardinal/Andrew-Luck/andrew-luck.jpg

Dr. Broncenstein
09-17-2011, 03:07 PM
You bastards....we have to play the Colts in a couple weeks....if you take the cellar from us early in the season it's gonna loom all year long.

And in this sort of race, there's no silver medal for second place. :(

http://www.gridirongenerals.com/images/NCAA/PAC10/Stanford-Cardinal/Andrew-Luck/andrew-luck.jpg

Jamaal Charles is going to shred us again. He's going to run the Chorfs right out of contention.

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 03:08 PM
I don't understand hoping we lose, but I agree the possibility is there.

I only use the term hope because i'm still optimistic that the coaching staff/FO isn't willing to let us suffer thru another season like last years. I'm optimistic that they will make a change earlier than they did last year. That's why I used the term hope.

Orton is not the answer - not sure Tebow, Quinn, Weber is either but I am sure that Orton is not. So why suffer thru that pain anymore? Let one of the youngsters get some experience - whoever that may be.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-17-2011, 03:10 PM
I only use the term hope because i'm still optimistic that the coaching staff/FO isn't willing to let us suffer thru another season like last years. I'm optimistic that they will make a change earlier than they did last year. That's why I used the term hope.

Orton is not the answer - not sure Tebow, Quinn, Weber is either but I am sure that Orton is not. So why suffer thru that pain anymore? Let one of the youngsters get some experience - whoever that may be.

There are 9 million reasons why Orton is captain of the failboat, at least until mid-season.

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 03:11 PM
I wish in some crazy U.S. Immigration Services mix up Luck would get deported just so I would stop hearing about him.

I'm not on the Luck bandwagon - i'm notoriously known for bashing rookies. College football is nowhere near the same as the NFL.

TDmvp
09-17-2011, 03:13 PM
http://blackchristiannews.com/news/shanahanx-large-skins.jpg

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/8067/motivatora9ed601e761d1e.jpg

TDmvp
09-17-2011, 03:13 PM
I'm not on the Luck bandwagon - i'm notoriously known for bashing rookies. College football is nowhere near the same as the NFL.

/agree

Mile High Mojoe
09-17-2011, 03:13 PM
Am I the only one out there hoping that this happens with Orton behind center?

Let's face it - we possibly have a shot at beating the Bengals and Titans albeit a small shot and virtually no shot at GB and SD. If this happens will be maybe see an adjustment being made?

I doubt it but one can hope.

The Bengals game we "should" win, 1-4 is the best we might hope for. Given how poorly we played against the Raiders even the Bengals game will be no gimme.

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 03:17 PM
The Bengals game we "should" win, 1-4 is the best we might hope for. Given how poorly we played against the Raiders even the Bengals game will be no gimme.

Heh - my wife and son argued with me that Cleveland should beat Cincy because of Andy Dalton and AJ Green/Bengals just plain sucking.

Didn't work out the way they argued tho.

Can't overlook Cincy since they are a better team than us right now - seriously. Sucks saying that but it is what it is.

TDmvp
09-17-2011, 03:21 PM
Heh - my wife and son argued with me that Cleveland should beat Cincy because of Andy Dalton and AJ Green/Bengals just plain sucking.

Didn't work out the way they argued tho.

Can't overlook Cincy since they are a better team than us right now - seriously. Sucks saying that but it is what it is.



As a life long Broncos fan who has lived in Cincinnati all his life , we must beat the Bungholes or I can't leave my house or pick up the phone for a week or 2.

NFLBRONCO
09-17-2011, 03:23 PM
Luck sweepstakes imo would be best for us longterm. These next 2 games I believe we win even banged up.

gunns
09-17-2011, 03:24 PM
http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/8067/motivatora9ed601e761d1e.jpg

Not at all.

To me there isn't much difference in the way I feel at the end of a season between 8-8 and 4-12.

TheReverend
09-17-2011, 03:27 PM
Not at all.

To me there isn't much difference in the way I feel at the end of a season between 8-8 and 4-12.

::)

Punisher
09-17-2011, 03:27 PM
I hope we go 1-15 then its Lucky time

Dagmar
09-17-2011, 03:27 PM
If we can't beat the Bengals at home we will start 0 and 5, probably won't see a victory until... November?

TDmvp
09-17-2011, 03:29 PM
Not at all.




O come on Gunns not even a little ??? :giggle:



To me there isn't much difference in the way I feel at the end of a season between 8-8 and 4-12.


If you had like a decade or two of 4-12 you would totally rethink that and remember I live in Cincinnati ...:)

jbiel
09-17-2011, 03:29 PM
You guys can have all your fantasies about Luck. I'm hoping we lose the sweepstakes just so we can draft on the defensive side of the ball. With a great Defense, any average qb can win a superbowl. See Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli, even Big Ben's first run.

OrangeSe7en
09-17-2011, 03:30 PM
If we can't beat the Bengals at home we will start 0 and 5, probably won't see a victory until... November?

No, we'll probably win just enough at the very end to cost us Luck.

NUB
09-17-2011, 03:33 PM
Here is the rest of the schedule:

CIN, @TEN, @GB, SD, @MIA, DET, @OAK, @KC, NYJ, @SD, @MIN, CHI, NE, @BUF, KC


Note: Denver has almost no depth to speak of right now. We just got through the first week in a 16-week season where injuries inevitably mount up at one point or another. I would not be surprised if Denver is an apocalyptic disaster by season's end.

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 03:34 PM
You guys can have all your fantasies about Luck. I'm hoping we lose the sweepstakes just so we can draft on the defensive side of the ball. With a great Defense, any average qb can win a superbowl. See Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli, even Big Ben's first run.

Hehe, every single one of those QB's could make a play when they needed to. Our current starting QB? Not so much.

He can't make 1 freaking play just to keep us in the game let alone win one.

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 03:36 PM
Here is the rest of the schedule:

CIN, @TEN, @GB, SD, @MIA, DET, @OAK, @KC, NYJ, @SD, @MIN, CHI, NE, @BUF, KC


Note: Denver has almost no depth to speak of right now. We just got through the first week in a 16-week season where injuries inevitably mount up at one point or another. I would not be surprised if Denver is an apocalyptic disaster by season's end.

Just looking at the worst teams on the schedule could be 7 losses alone.

TDmvp
09-17-2011, 03:39 PM
You guys can have all your fantasies about Luck. I'm hoping we lose the sweepstakes just so we can draft on the defensive side of the ball. With a great Defense, any average qb can win a superbowl. See Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli, even Big Ben's first run.

I don't want Luck for starters , but you win titles now with great qb play.

The whole great D average Qb is kinda the exception now. The league is different.

Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rodgers

I'd only say 2 of those guys are average ... Johnson and Dilfer and I can make a argument that those 2 are lucky to have those rings.

Dilfer lucked out and played the Giants who was somewhat average , And Johnson got lucky and had Gruden.

And see the N.Y. Jets ... with a great D and pounding the rock and two straight afc title games and their average Qb was their downfall .

OrangeSe7en
09-17-2011, 03:43 PM
I don't want Luck for starters , but you win titles now with great qb play.

The whole great D average Qb is kinda the exception now. The league is different.

Super Bowl 32. John Elway (Terrell Davis), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 33. John Elway (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 34. Kurt Warner (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 35. Trent Dilfer (Ray Lewis), 1 TD
Super Bowl 36. Tom Brady (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 37. Brad Johnson (Dexter Jackson), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 38. Tom Brady (MVP), 3 TDs
Super Bowl 39. Tom Brady (Deion Branch), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 40. Ben Roethlisberger (Hines Ward), 0 TDs
Super Bowl 41. Peyton Manning (MVP), 1 TD
Super Bowl 42. Eli Manning (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 43: Ben Roethlisberger (Santonio Holmes), 1 TD
Super Bowl 44: Drew Brees (MVP), 2 TDs
Super Bowl 45: Aaron Rodgers

I'd only say 2 of those guys are average ... Johnson and Dilfer and I can make a argument that those 2 are lucky to have those rings.

Dilfer lucked out and played the Giants who was somewhat average , And Johnson got lucky and had Gruden.

And see the N.Y. Jets ... with a great D and pounding the rock and two straight afc title games and their average Qb was their downfall .

The bigger question is how many of those guys played on teams with elite defenses. This is important because QBs often have their values inflated once theyve won a SB. The other problem with what youve said is that, you seem to suggest that there's elite, average, and bad (correct me if Im wrong). A lot of teams have won with good QBs (though not elite maybe and not average) and great defenses.

NFLBRONCO
09-17-2011, 03:44 PM
Here is the rest of the schedule:

CIN, @TEN, @GB, SD, @MIA, DET, @OAK, @KC, NYJ, @SD, @MIN, CHI, NE, @BUF, KC


Note: Denver has almost no depth to speak of right now. We just got through the first week in a 16-week season where injuries inevitably mount up at one point or another. I would not be surprised if Denver is an apocalyptic disaster by season's end.

Cin
Ten
Miami
Kc
Buff

Are the only games I think we will win.

Bronx33
09-17-2011, 03:45 PM
I am going to be patient (it is what it is people) i hate it as much as the next bronco fan to see home field advantage mean nothing anymore but when you're expecting too much you will be in for a let down this team still needs work ( a lot of work).

maven
09-17-2011, 03:55 PM
Lose at home to the Bengals, go right ahead and suck for Luck.

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 04:01 PM
I just have this sinking - Titanic type sinking - feeling that after the game tomorrow this board is going to be in full on meltdown mode.

After the showing in the first game I thought things were bad - but the Bengals could very well be the end of this board.

broncos-rock
09-17-2011, 04:02 PM
[QUOTE=NUB;3297834]Here is the rest of the schedule:

CIN, @TEN, @GB, SD, @MIA, DET, @OAK, @KC, NYJ, @SD, @MIN, CHI, NE, @BUF, KC


I'm going to say we go 10-6 and make it to the playoffs. :rofl:

frerottenextelway
09-17-2011, 04:03 PM
15-1.

Cito Pelon
09-17-2011, 04:03 PM
We'll see.

oubronco
09-17-2011, 04:06 PM
I hope we go 1-15 then its Lucky time

I'll never hope for losses but i believe it's inevitable and if Luck is there when we pick Elway will jizz all over himself to pull the trigger

broncos-rock
09-17-2011, 04:10 PM
I'll never hope for losses but i believe it's inevitable and if Luck is there when we pick Elway will jizz all over himself to pull the trigger

Joel Klatt from the ticket says Luck is already the "5th best qb on the planet":thumbsup:

TheReverend
09-17-2011, 04:13 PM
Joel Klatt from the ticket says Luck is already the "5th best qb on the planet":thumbsup:

Oh Jesus Christ

Jay3
09-17-2011, 04:13 PM
Why so you can then have your last little myopic dream shattered. When a team is bad its easy to point to the QB who is playing very avg. Look at Campbell in Oakland though, he had a fumble, didn't lose it, the team afraid to even let him pass the ball, all he does are draws and screens, but he has been winning more then Orton because he has a killer rb.

I've never understood this logic. I would be wanting to bench Jason Campbell so fast if I were a Raiders fan, and Tebow were on the bench needing reps. I would love to join in a "bench Campbell" chorus.

What did Orton do to have everyone defending him so vehemently? I don't get it.

Jetmeck
09-17-2011, 04:21 PM
Jamaal Charles is going to shred us again. He's going to run the Chorfs right out of contention.

Right. Whatever. He did SO MUCH against us last year. Come on.........

Rigs11
09-17-2011, 04:30 PM
The tebowners will wish losses upon us so that their golden boy can play.then when we still lose,they will clamor for luck.then when we still lose...well you get the picture

epicSocialism4tw
09-17-2011, 04:30 PM
That Packer game is going to be epic lulz.

What...you don't have confidence in Orton to out-gun Aaron Rodgers?

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 04:38 PM
The tebowners will wish losses upon us so that their golden boy can play.then when we still lose,they will clamor for luck.then when we still lose...well you get the picture

Well like i've said before - what about those of us that just want Orton out and someone else besides Brady Quinn in there? I'd rather we picked up Garrard, made a move for Palmer, Tebow, Weber, hell call Jarmarcus Russell (well, that's a stretch).....


I agree - this Luck thing.....He's still going to be a rookie, might be great for longterm but who's to say Weber can't develop if not Tebow?

get the youngsters some playing time if Orton continues to show up in garbage time to pad his stats.

epicSocialism4tw
09-17-2011, 04:39 PM
I've never understood this logic. I would be wanting to bench Jason Campbell so fast if I were a Raiders fan, and Tebow were on the bench needing reps. I would love to join in a "bench Campbell" chorus.

What did Orton do to have everyone defending him so vehemently? I don't get it.

Orton didn't punk a bunch of peoples' favorite team/alumni in college and isn't a shining example of a religion who being such makes people feel threatened.

epicSocialism4tw
09-17-2011, 04:40 PM
I hope that this whole thing lights a fire under Ortons orton, and that he comes alive and leads the Broncos to the playoffs.

But do I believe its going to happen? No. There isn't any reason to.

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 04:40 PM
What...you don't have confidence in Orton to out-gun Aaron Rodgers?


Pfffft - Orton's got this.....

Gort
09-17-2011, 04:46 PM
[QUOTE=NUB;3297834]Here is the rest of the schedule:

CIN, @TEN, @GB, SD, @MIA, DET, @OAK, @KC, NYJ, @SD, @MIN, CHI, NE, @BUF, KC


I'm going to say we go 10-6 and make it to the playoffs. :rofl:

2-14 is a distinct possibility.

teknic
09-17-2011, 04:49 PM
The tebowners will wish losses upon us so that their golden boy can play.then when we still lose,they will clamor for luck.then when we still lose...well you get the picture

And the Orton nuthuggers continue to defend Orton because they don't like how Tebow practices.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. Orton is who we thought he is. He sucks. He is a below-average QB in the league, and he's not going to improve. Tebow may or may not be the answer, but Orton is absolutely not.

I'd rather play Tebow and see what we have on the team before committing to drafting someone. Once Tebow gets some game experience and the coaching staff has more tape on him, they can reevaluate at the end of the season and decide if we need to make a play for Luck or Barkley.

Let's be honest, if Orton plays lights out for the rest of the season, we still have too many deficiencies on this team to contend for the playoffs. The very best I could see the Broncos doing with Orton this season is 7-9, and that's being generous.

So, at the end of the season, we would be in the exact same situation. We know that Orton isn't that answer, he leaves in FA anyways, and we still don't know what we have in Tebow. Not to mention this already fractured fanbase would become even more divided because we will have a third group of people demanding we draft a QB, despite being out of contention for Luck or Barkley barring a huge trade (assuming Orton takes the Broncos to a better record than last year). How anyone can believe that starting Orton is the best thing for the Broncos organization is beyond me.

I do believe Tebow will succeed in the NFL as a QB, and to improve he needs game experience and practice time. The worst case scenario with starting Tebow is being in position to draft a new QB next year. Best case is that Tebow plays great and we have found the next QB of the Denver Broncos. I'll take those options over playing Orton any day.

I'm a fan of the team, not any one player, and I truly believe that starting Orton is a terrible move for the future of this team. I'm not completely sold on Tebow being our QBOTF (yet), I'd take Garrard as a FA vet over Orton any day of the week and I'd start Quinn over Orton because at least he has some potential (some, not much), but the one thing I cannot stand as a Denver Broncos fan is to continue starting Orton.

How can anyone continue to support Orton? Every time he has a chance to show that he is a decent QB, he ****s the bed. All Tebow (or a FA/draft pick to be added) needs is a chance.

Anyone but Orton.

Inkana7
09-17-2011, 04:52 PM
I want Luck, but I'm not going to cheer for us to lose. Even though we're horrible every loss hurts me a little bit.

epicSocialism4tw
09-17-2011, 04:53 PM
2-14 is a distinct possibility.

We could win tomorrow with Cincy at home. From there, we'll see where it goes. I also thought we'd win at home against Oakland.

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 04:54 PM
And the Orton nuthuggers continue to defend Orton because they don't like how Tebow practices.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. Orton is who we thought he is. He sucks. He is a below-average QB in the league, and he's not going to improve. Tebow may or may not be the answer, but Orton is absolutely not.

I'd rather play Tebow and see what we have on the team. Once Tebow gets some game experience and the coaching staff has more tape on him, they can reevaluate at the end of the season and decide if we need to make a play for Luck or Barkley.

Let's be honest, if Orton plays lights out for the rest of the season, we still have too many deficiencies on this team to contend for the playoffs. The very best I could see the Broncos doing with Orton this season is 7-9, and that's being generous.

So, at the end of the season, we would be in the exact same place. We know Orton isn't that answer, he leaves in FA, and we still don't know what we have in Tebow. Not to mention this already fractured fanbase we become even more divided because we will have a third group of people demanding we draft a QB, despite being out of contention for Luck or Barkley barring a huge trade. How anyone can believe that starting Orton is the best thing for the Broncos organization is beyond me.

I do believe Tebow will succeed in the NFL as a QB, and to improve he needs game experience and practice time. The worst case scenario with starting Tebow is being in position to draft a new QB next year. Best case is that Tebow plays great and we have found the next QB of the Denver Broncos. I'll take those options over playing Orton any day.

I'm a fan of the team, not any one player, and I truly believe that starting Orton is a terrible move for the future of this team. I'm not completely sold on Tebow being our QBOTF (yet), I'd take Garrard as a FA vet over Orton any day of the week and I'd start Quinn over Orton because at least he has some potential (some, not much), but the one thing I cannot stand as a Denver Broncos fan is to continue starting Orton.

How can anyone continue to support Orton? Every time he has a chance to show that he is a decent QB, he ****s the bed. All Tebow (or a FA/draft pick to be added) needs is a chance.

A lot of us are saying the exact same thing but the Orton supporters simply call everyone Tebownites instead of coming to grips with the reality that most of us simply want Orton out and anyone else in.

Gort
09-17-2011, 04:55 PM
Tebow may or may not be the answer, but Orton is absolutely not.

considering Fox won't even install a RZ package for Tebow, i think it's almost certain that Orton will start EVERY game this year no matter what the record so long as he's healthy. Fox doesn't want to play Tebow. Elway doesn't want to play Tebow. this so-called QB controversy is just making them both even more stubborn about it. Fox and Elway may turn out to be winners here in Denver... maybe... but i don't think they believe Tebow can be a part of that. we may go 2-14 and have a shot at the #1 pick in the draft. if so, Tebow's time here will be over. Orton will leave because he wants a high $$$ multi-year contract. we may have to re-sign Quinn to be the starter for a year or two while a rookie QB learns the game at this level.

Agamemnon
09-17-2011, 04:56 PM
Not only is it a possibility, it's very likely. I'm not hoping for it, but I expect it. Well actually I expect us to eke out one win, but 1-4 or 0-5 don't feel that different to me.

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 04:57 PM
considering Fox won't even install a RZ package for Tebow, i think it's almost certain that Orton will start EVERY game this year no matter what the record so long as he's healthy. Fox doesn't want to play Tebow. Elway doesn't want to play Tebow. this so-called QB controversy is just making them both even more stubborn about it. Fox and Elway may turn out to be winners here in Denver... maybe... but i don't think they believe Tebow can be a part of that. we may go 2-14 and have a shot at the #1 pick in the draft. if so, Tebow's time here will be over. Orton will leave because he wants a high $$$ multi-year contract. we may have to re-sign Quinn to be the starter for a year or two while a rookie QB learns the game at this level.

There is no way in God's name that any team not coached by McDaniels would ever pay this guy big money from his time in Denver.

Unless they just look at his stats.

Agamemnon
09-17-2011, 04:58 PM
There is no way in God's name that any team not coached by McDaniels would ever pay this guy big money from his time in Denver.

Unless they just look at his stats.

I thought the same when considering the possibility that EFX would keep the guy and start him this year. So yeah...

epicSocialism4tw
09-17-2011, 05:00 PM
considering Fox won't even install a RZ package for Tebow, i think it's almost certain that Orton will start EVERY game this year no matter what the record so long as he's healthy. Fox doesn't want to play Tebow. Elway doesn't want to play Tebow. this so-called QB controversy is just making them both even more stubborn about it. Fox and Elway may turn out to be winners here in Denver... maybe... but i don't think they believe Tebow can be a part of that. we may go 2-14 and have a shot at the #1 pick in the draft. if so, Tebow's time here will be over. Orton will leave because he wants a high $ multi-year contract. we might end up re-signing Quinn to be the starter for a year or two while rookie QB learns the game at this level.

What would be most ironic is if the Broncos draft another QB and start him in his first year.

Gort
09-17-2011, 05:01 PM
There is no way in God's name that any team not coached by McDaniels would ever pay this guy big money from his time in Denver.

Unless they just look at his stats.

that may be true, but Orton thinks he's "earned" a contract like Kolb got in AZ, which is 5 years for $63M ($20M guaranteed). we know that's what he's looking for because that was the hang-up in the possible MIA trade this preseason.

Agamemnon
09-17-2011, 05:04 PM
What would be most ironic is if the Broncos draft another QB and start him in his first year.

And even more ironic would be if Tebow ends up better than him. The way things are going for this franchise, I'd put my money on it honestly.

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 05:04 PM
I thought the same when considering the possibility that EFX would keep the guy and start him this year. So yeah...

I still think that EFX should have taken Miami's offer of TD's carcass for Orton.



http://motherjones.com/files/dolphin-carcass-inline-310.jpg


For:

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Kyle+Orton+Denver+Broncos+v+Kansas+City+Chiefs+41N Hq5a7SLJl.jpg


I'll take TD all day just on the name.

Kaylore
09-17-2011, 05:20 PM
Am I the only one out there hoping that this happens with Orton behind center?

Let's face it - we possibly have a shot at beating the Bengals and Titans albeit a small shot and virtually no shot at GB and SD. If this happens will be maybe see an adjustment being made?

I doubt it but one can hope.

http://cdn.everyjoe.com/files/2011/01/andrew-luck-stanford.jpg

DrFate
09-17-2011, 05:24 PM
To me there isn't much difference in the way I feel at the end of a season between 8-8 and 4-12.

That's kind of sad

KCStud
09-17-2011, 05:29 PM
I still think Luck goes to Cleveland. They are the least talented team in the league.

If you guys don't get the 1st pick, Elway should draft this kid immediately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elVL0fLDdT0

Crick is going to be the best DE coming out in a long time, doesn't matter what system you put him in.

Archer81
09-17-2011, 05:51 PM
I dont want the team to go 0-5...but Orton at Qb...he is not good enough to mask deficiencies the team has and the team is not good enough to carry Kyle when he ****s up.

No bueno.

:Broncos:

vonqkilla
09-17-2011, 06:30 PM
This is a shy t sandwich.

Just like last year.

By my count we need a new g, c, 2 dts, a stud mike lb, a cb, and most importantly, gotta figure out qb.

Kcul rof kcus

SonOfLe-loLang
09-17-2011, 06:34 PM
By the way people talk around here, you would have thought we lost 55-7 opening week, instead of 23-20, which included a few opportunities that we completely blew.

Agamemnon
09-17-2011, 06:41 PM
By the way people talk around here, you would have thought we lost 55-7 opening week, instead of 23-20, which included a few opportunities that we completely blew.

The game was much worse than the score would indicate. I think most of us agree on that.

Mile High Mojoe
09-17-2011, 06:42 PM
And the Orton nuthuggers continue to defend Orton because they don't like how Tebow practices.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. Orton is who we thought he is. He sucks. He is a below-average QB in the league, and he's not going to improve. Tebow may or may not be the answer, but Orton is absolutely not.

I'd rather play Tebow and see what we have on the team before committing to drafting someone. Once Tebow gets some game experience and the coaching staff has more tape on him, they can reevaluate at the end of the season and decide if we need to make a play for Luck or Barkley.

Let's be honest, if Orton plays lights out for the rest of the season, we still have too many deficiencies on this team to contend for the playoffs. The very best I could see the Broncos doing with Orton this season is 7-9, and that's being generous.

So, at the end of the season, we would be in the exact same situation. We know that Orton isn't that answer, he leaves in FA anyways, and we still don't know what we have in Tebow. Not to mention this already fractured fanbase would become even more divided because we will have a third group of people demanding we draft a QB, despite being out of contention for Luck or Barkley barring a huge trade (assuming Orton takes the Broncos to a better record than last year). How anyone can believe that starting Orton is the best thing for the Broncos organization is beyond me.

I do believe Tebow will succeed in the NFL as a QB, and to improve he needs game experience and practice time. The worst case scenario with starting Tebow is being in position to draft a new QB next year. Best case is that Tebow plays great and we have found the next QB of the Denver Broncos. I'll take those options over playing Orton any day.

I'm a fan of the team, not any one player, and I truly believe that starting Orton is a terrible move for the future of this team. I'm not completely sold on Tebow being our QBOTF (yet), I'd take Garrard as a FA vet over Orton any day of the week and I'd start Quinn over Orton because at least he has some potential (some, not much), but the one thing I cannot stand as a Denver Broncos fan is to continue starting Orton.

How can anyone continue to support Orton? Every time he has a chance to show that he is a decent QB, he ****s the bed. All Tebow (or a FA/draft pick to be added) needs is a chance.

Anyone but Orton.

:notworthy

LongDongJohnson
09-17-2011, 06:59 PM
Nothing wrong with going 0-16 this year! We can get luck and then hopefully a nice lineman in the top of the second round.

teknic
09-17-2011, 07:06 PM
By the way people talk around here, you would have thought we lost 55-7 opening week, instead of 23-20, which included a few opportunities that Orton completely blew.

fixed.

HAT
09-17-2011, 07:27 PM
[QUOTE=NUB;3297834]Here is the rest of the schedule:

CIN, @TEN, @GB, SD, @MIA, DET, @OAK, @KC, NYJ, @SD, @MIN, CHI, NE, @BUF, KC


I'm going to say we go 10-6 and make it to the playoffs. :rofl:

I don't think they can get to 10-6 after a home loss. 9-7 should be doable though.

epicSocialism4tw
09-17-2011, 07:54 PM
Nothing wrong with going 0-16 this year! We can get luck and then hopefully a nice lineman in the top of the second round.

Yeah, there's a lot wrong with going 0-16. Another year wasted, another year of futility cemented, prospects for the following season dimmer than the one that preceded it.

I'm not sure how any Broncos fan roots for that.

spdirty
09-17-2011, 08:26 PM
Nothing wrong with going 0-16 this year! We can get luck and then hopefully a nice lineman in the top of the second round.

Not that. 0-16 is historically bad. 2-14 or 3-13 should get us that 1st pick but not be historically bad.

But honestly we lose the next 2 and it could be till December till we can win a game.

When's the last time we won at Miami? Think detroits gonna roll over and play dead here? Still think they're ****ty? Think again.

Then at raiders and at Kansas city? Yeah right.

Jets?

At chargers at Vikings?

Then bears and patriots at home.

Gonna be a long painful year. But it may be for the best in the long run.

DENVERDUI55
09-17-2011, 08:42 PM
I could only hope so.

Circle Orange
09-17-2011, 08:45 PM
I'm not confident about a +.500 record this year. That being said, 0-5 would be a bit much to take. People would scream for Fox's head on a stick.

Dedhed
09-17-2011, 08:46 PM
Why so you can then have your last little myopic dream shattered. When a team is bad its easy to point to the QB who is playing very avg. Look at Campbell in Oakland though, he had a fumble, didn't lose it, the team afraid to even let him pass the ball, all he does are draws and screens, but he has been winning more then Orton because he has a killer rb.

Go ahead and wait Broncos will eventually put Tebow in and still lose. Why? because the oline isn't very good, the rbs stink, the dt aren't good, the DE don't do much and the linebacking quite honestly IMO the worst in the NFL when DJ is not playing.

Says the guy who clearly lost a bet using his astute analysis.

KCStud
09-17-2011, 08:56 PM
You guys will win this weekend. Dalton won't beat you guys at home.

broncosteven
09-17-2011, 08:57 PM
You guys will win this weekend. Dalton won't beat you guys at home.

It would be like Brodie Croyle playing home or away...

epicSocialism4tw
09-17-2011, 08:58 PM
You guys will win this weekend. Dalton won't beat you guys at home.

Hop in your 1988 Ford Fiesta with home made T-tops and ride off into the sunset.

Archer81
09-17-2011, 08:58 PM
You guys will win this weekend. Dalton won't beat you guys at home.


...kiss of death.


:Broncos:

KCStud
09-17-2011, 09:02 PM
It would be like Brodie Croyle playing home or away...

Nah. At the end of the day, Croyle may be a loser in the NFL, but he will always come home a winner when he see's this everynight.

http://www.wagrankings.com/images/wives/nfl/kelli_croyle.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
09-17-2011, 09:03 PM
Nah. At the end of the day, Croyle may be a loser in the NFL, but he will always come home a winner when he see's this everynight.

Is that his brother?

broncosteven
09-17-2011, 10:23 PM
Nah. At the end of the day, Croyle may be a loser in the NFL, but he will always come home a winner when he see's this everynight.

http://www.wagrankings.com/images/wives/nfl/kelli_croyle.jpg

Maybe he could be taping Gizzel if he could have one at least one single game.

I guess we all have to settle.

Hamrob
09-17-2011, 10:42 PM
Our Dline is part of the reason that we can't stop the run, but the bigger problem is our LB's.

Those guys suck! They can't fill the hole and they over run plays and can't get off of blocks.

Woodyard has no business starting. And Mays and Haggan are 2nd rate at best. Sure, we got Miller....who is a rookie and will take time. But, the rest of those bums....are terrible! That's why we get pounded on the ground.

And even when we get DJ back......he's average at best. We need another Al Wilson and another John Mobley and another Romo and another Meck and another TJ and another Gradishar!

MABroncoFan
09-17-2011, 10:44 PM
cecillammey Cecil Lammey
getting a lot of 'when is the switch?' Qs...let me answer that here: #broncos make a change at the bye week if QB play doesn't improve IMHO
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epicSocialism4tw
09-17-2011, 10:49 PM
Our Dline is part of the reason that we can't stop the run, but the bigger problem is our LB's.

Those guys suck! They can't fill the hole and they over run plays and can't get off of blocks.

Woodyard has no business starting. And Mays and Haggan are 2nd rate at best. Sure, we got Miller....who is a rookie and will take time. But, the rest of those bums....are terrible! That's why we get pounded on the ground.

And even when we get DJ back......he's average at best. We need another Al Wilson and another John Mobley and another Romo and another Meck and another TJ and another Gradishar!

No doubt.

We need some players who take pride in playing for the franchise and who prove it on the field.

Perry1977
09-17-2011, 10:54 PM
Hoping we lose really isn't as bad as it sounds. It's hoping that we can draft the next uber-QB and be a contender for 12-15 years consistently. Nothing wrong with hoping to become a dynasty. IF that QB isn't on our team already (Tebow being the only hope for that...albeit is a long shot), then winning a few games could mean decades of mediocrity.

epicSocialism4tw
09-17-2011, 10:54 PM
cecillammey Cecil Lammey
getting a lot of 'when is the switch?' Qs...let me answer that here: #broncos make a change at the bye week if QB play doesn't improve IMHO
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Thats fine by me.

Give Ortie a shot to prove himself.

That allows Fox to show everyone that he doesnt let veterans underperform and keep their jobs just because they feel entitled.

That gives Teebs more time to soak up the offense, and then gives the team extra time at the bye week for him to work with the offense in practice.

Sounds smart to me.

epicSocialism4tw
09-17-2011, 10:56 PM
Hoping we lose really isn't as bad as it sounds. It's hoping that we can draft the next uber-QB and be a contender for 12-15 years consistently. Nothing wrong with hoping to become a dynasty. IF that QB isn't on our team already (Tebow being the only hope for that...albeit is a long shot), then winning a few games could mean decades of mediocrity.

I'm pretty confident that Tebow will win a couple of games for the Broncos this year.

At that point, winning will be part of growth for the team moving forward.

I think that some teams will be worse than Denver. KC, Cincy, and Cleveland all having potential to be worse.

spdirty
09-17-2011, 11:00 PM
I think that some teams will be worse than Denver. KC, Cincy, and Cleveland all having potential to be worse.

Oh boy!

epicSocialism4tw
09-17-2011, 11:03 PM
Oh boy!

Well, who knows?

We could go into the bye week 2-3 and then go on a run for .500. That would be a decent season.

Perry1977
09-17-2011, 11:06 PM
Well, who knows?

We could go into the bye week 2-3 and then go on a run for .500. That would be a decent season.

I am sick of decent seasons.

Rolandftw
09-17-2011, 11:15 PM
Am I the only one out there hoping that this happens with Orton behind center?

Let's face it - we possibly have a shot at beating the Bengals and Titans albeit a small shot and virtually no shot at GB and SD. If this happens will be maybe see an adjustment being made?

I doubt it but one can hope.

I'm sure you're not the only one. I'm definitely not in that camp though.

We can go 2-3 or 3-2 as well. They have a good chance of being 2-1 going into the GB game.

spdirty
09-17-2011, 11:29 PM
Well, who knows?

We could go into the bye week 2-3 and then go on a run for .500. That would be a decent season.

6-10, 7-9, 8-8, or 9-7 is the worst possible thing that could happen to this team this season.

Ratboy
09-18-2011, 01:34 AM
Short term losses for long term success?

I'll take the losses. Super Bowl or Bust.

Doggcow
09-18-2011, 01:51 AM
Short term losses for long term success?

I'll take the losses. Super Bowl or Bust.

I agree. However, if we win and go on a roll, I'll be all for it.

Agamemnon
09-18-2011, 01:56 AM
I am sick of decent seasons.

They're better than ****ty seasons...

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 02:11 AM
Ah, so we have a contingent of fans now who are rooting for losses.

That's great.

Doggcow
09-18-2011, 02:16 AM
Ah, so we have a contingent of fans now who are rooting for losses.

That's great.

It's not "rooting for losses." It's a casualty of some, for the success of many.

Agamemnon
09-18-2011, 02:20 AM
It's not "rooting for losses." It's a casualty of some, for the success of many.

Sucking bad enough to draft Luck is not likely to result in the outcome you think it will.

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 02:23 AM
It's not "rooting for losses." It's a casualty of some, for the success of many.

Don't lie. You're clearly hoping the team loses.

epicSocialism4tw
09-18-2011, 02:24 AM
I am sick of decent seasons.

A decent season with Tebow at the helm is a step in the right direction.

Doggcow
09-18-2011, 02:55 AM
A decent season with Tebow at the helm is a step in the right direction.

I'd be thrilled with that. As long as Orton is still floundering, I'm rooting for change, which we need losses for, sadly.

Dos Rios
09-18-2011, 06:47 AM
Here is the rest of the schedule:

CIN, @TEN, @GB, SD, @MIA, DET, @OAK, @KC, NYJ, @SD, @MIN, CHI, NE, @BUF, KC


Note: Denver has almost no depth to speak of right now. We just got through the first week in a 16-week season where injuries inevitably mount up at one point or another. I would not be surprised if Denver is an apocalyptic disaster by season's end.

Broncos going to get blown out at home more than once. And on the road, the three most winnable games involve this run defense trying to stop Chris Johnson, Adrian Peterson and Jamaal Charles. No bueno.

Dedhed
09-18-2011, 07:38 AM
By the way people talk around here, you would have thought we lost 55-7 opening week, instead of 23-20, which included a few opportunities that we completely blew.

Losing 55-7 would have made it clear that the team is just god awful bad. That's not what I saw on Monday.

I saw an improving, if still flawed, defense, the first ST bright spot in ages (barring Royal's 2 TD performance that beat SD in 09), and a very winnable game go by the wayside due to a very poor offensive performance highlighted by everything that Kyle Orton is not as a football player.

After a 4-12 season it's more grating to see winning games squandered by the incumbent, lame duck, Kyle Orton than it is to see the team thrashed by a far superior opponent.

A huge loss would have brought down a veil of quiet resignation to the idea that we are not going to be competitive no matter who is under center. Instead we saw a missed opportunity that can be laid at the feet of what was already the most controversial component on the team, and fanned the fire far more than being blown out would have.

Dedhed
09-18-2011, 07:43 AM
6-10, 7-9, 8-8, or 9-7 is the worst possible thing that could happen to this team this season.

I agree, but only if Orton starts the whole year. If we went 8-8 with Tebow, or 6-9 after Orton puts us in an 0-5 hole, it will be a coup for Tebow and the Broncos. The FO would have to unite behind Tebow, and they would be free to invest a high first round pick in DL talent.

Going 8-8 with Orton has the potential to set this franchise back 3 more years.

Broncoman13
09-18-2011, 08:12 AM
I think we'll end up at 3-13 maybe 4-12 regardless of who the QB is. That's why I've stayed quiet about this whole QB thing lately. I really don't like Kyle Orton at all. I think he crumbles under pressure and otherwise plays uninspiring football. For that reason I'd like to see Tebow play, but I sure don't believe playing Tebow is going to equate to wins. I just feel it will be more exciting, even in losses.

I watched Luck pretty closely last night. Amazing talent. He had a sprint boot and threw a laser on the run to a TE in the endzone while on the run. Not a moving throw, a throw while he was sprinting to the right. Watched him execute the 3 and 5 step drop and the throw was out the second his back foot hit the 3rd or 5th step. 7 or 8 yards over the middle and while it's not exciting, he was able to pick up those 7 or 8 yards on 1st or 2nd down making 3rd downs that much easier to convert and opening up the full playbook. Truly, he is everything that he is being hyped as.

I've never rooted for the Broncos to lose a game... never will. But in the grand scheme of things, if the Broncos have an opportunity to get this kid and blow it by finishing a game or two better than the worst team in football, they are failing themselves.

At any rate, I don't think there is anything this staff won't do to get Luck next year. If we are in a position that won't allow for us to get Luck I fully expect them to sell out to get him. I've thought about this for a few weeks and what it might take. It could cost us a fortune to get Luck if we finish at say 4-12 (picking around 4th-8th). Probably a 1st and 2nd in 2012 and 2013 and/or a stud player... Doom or Clady are probably the most intriguing players on this team for trade purposes.

Tebow, as much as I like the kid is not the answer long term and Kyle Orton sure as hell isn't either. Prepare for the Broncos to be the same as they are now for a couple more years. And it will be worse if we have a poor year this year but not the worst year.

If the Colts or Panthers find a way to finish last they will end up with a King's Ransom for Andrew Luck... Chefs, Dolphins, Seahawks, or Broncos would all pass on any trade if they had a chance at Luck.

Broncoman13
09-18-2011, 08:15 AM
I agree, but only if Orton starts the whole year. If we went 8-8 with Tebow, or 6-9 after Orton puts us in an 0-5 hole, it will be a coup for Tebow and the Broncos. The FO would have to unite behind Tebow, and they would be free to invest a high first round pick in DL talent.

Going 8-8 with Orton has the potential to set this franchise back 3 more years.

Not sure if you've seen the schedule this year... but you're 100% correct, if Tebow comes in after the bye week and manages to win 6 of the final 11 games there is really no way they can move forward w/out making Tebow the man. I love me some Tebow, but I would be shocked if he could win more than 3 games after the bye week.

DarkHorse
09-18-2011, 08:16 AM
Ah, so we have a contingent of fans now who are rooting for losses.

That's great.

Not rooting for losses as much as i'm rooting for the most drastic outcome that apparently has to happen in order to make a change for the better.

lonestar
09-18-2011, 09:17 AM
now as a guy that thinks Orton is not all that bad.. Not saying he is great but a good care taker that will win some games IF he has a some support from the running game and a defense that can stop the run..

that said I'd rather have Tebow playing getting the reps he needs to see if he is a player or not..

But then Fox would be pissing off the Lockerroom like mikey did when he started griese over bubby.

I think Luck has been surrounded with a lot of talent from what I saw last night. That team might be more loaded than a few NFL teams are offensively.

That said would it take the same players of better for him to succeed in DEN I suspect so..

He might be the best NFL prospect since John E was but I suspect that the kid from OU might be better in the long run..

But overall unless they give Orton a new contract and I can't imagine that he would sign one in DEN at any price, because of the way he has been treated by the press and fans, he is gone after 15 more games..

For that reason alone I wold like to see Tebow in the game ASAP..