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Turd_Ferguson
09-17-2011, 02:30 PM
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
RT @Boomerknows: is this your way of telling me Knowshon Moreno wont be playing? ... Looks like a Know-go Sunday for Knowshon.

Guess we will see what old man McGahee has left in the tank.

zdoor
09-17-2011, 02:33 PM
Shocker...

Doggcow
09-17-2011, 02:37 PM
Ok, I'm done.

I've defended Knowshon for a while. I was wrong.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-17-2011, 02:37 PM
This just in: the sun will rise in the east tomorrow.

Gort
09-17-2011, 02:43 PM
...tripped on his shadow and pulled his hamstring, right?

do i win anything for guessing correctly?

TDmvp
09-17-2011, 02:44 PM
http://www.redriderleglamps.com/images/options/26inchbox.jpg

Fra-gee-lee...

oubronco
09-17-2011, 02:44 PM
At least we'll get to see a RB go more than 2 plays without taking himself out

ICON
09-17-2011, 02:46 PM
Wow ! First thing he has done fast all year.

Mogulseeker
09-17-2011, 02:51 PM
I'll still defend him as a running back.

He can't stay healthy though.

He's talented, but he has shown that he cannot carry a full load.

Garcia Bronco
09-17-2011, 02:55 PM
Damn..he's in mid-season form already. :D

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 02:56 PM
Don't know how you can say he's talented tho? He's mediocre/average at best. He's had 1 100 yard game as a pro, I believe, there's no talent there. There's walk on guys that are better than he is. Yeah he can catch the ball out of the backfield but so can 200 other guys out there, and 80% of them are better running backs.


The guy is trash.

oubronco
09-17-2011, 02:57 PM
Never liked the pick

Broncos4Life
09-17-2011, 03:01 PM
Bye Bye Kno-show! You fragile bust! Next!

lonestar
09-17-2011, 03:01 PM
IMO it is more the conditioning program tha has caused issues for the last decade..

we had a run on Groin injuries in 08 then it moved on to hamstrings IIRC then it started the muscle tears as well as Achilles the past couple of years..

I suspect somethings not kosher in strength and conditions area of the team.

AS for Moreno IMO him dropping weight this year is not a good thing..
and he has had hammy issues forever.. needs to get a different conditioning guy in charge of his hammys..

Mogulseeker
09-17-2011, 03:02 PM
I hated the pick... but he WAS a consensus top-fifteen pick. And he has talent... he's good at running in tight spaces and is strong for his size. He blocks well and catches well out of the backfield.

I still maintain that he will be a good 1a/1b option for us.

HooptyHoops
09-17-2011, 03:04 PM
Never liked the pick

I didn't like the pick, but I absolutely loved him in college! Comes down to that thing like, we need D, but we picked a RB at 12. Same thing applies to Thomas and Tebow.....

TDmvp
09-17-2011, 03:06 PM
Worst pick Josh made in my opinion...

In a league where the hb is become less and less important , and with Josh running a system that really didn't use a hb in the normal way why he picked a hb with that high a pick I never understood.

SoCalBronco
09-17-2011, 03:08 PM
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Looks like the ballerina is up to his old tricks again.

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 03:09 PM
The guy is a bum.

oubronco
09-17-2011, 03:10 PM
I didn't like the pick, but I absolutely loved him in college! Comes down to that thing like, we need D, but we picked a RB at 12. Same thing applies to Thomas and Tebow.....

Three picks that should've been used on defense no doubt about it

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 03:10 PM
I didn't like the pick, but I absolutely loved him in college! Comes down to that thing like, we need D, but we picked a RB at 12. Same thing applies to Thomas and Tebow.....

Yeah - Thomas is another guy that's just going to let you down. Everyone says he has "all the talent in the world" :rofl: The guy can't stay on the field if his life depended on it.

TDmvp
09-17-2011, 03:10 PM
Three picks that should've been used on defense no doubt about it

pretty much.

broncocalijohn
09-17-2011, 03:14 PM
http://www.redriderleglamps.com/images/options/26inchbox.jpg

Fra-gee-lee...

Must be Italian. Love the Christmas Story.

Anyone else want to keep backing this horse. Actually, if Knowshon was a horse, he would have been shot by now.

OrangeSe7en
09-17-2011, 03:24 PM
Yeah - Thomas is another guy that's just going to let you down. Everyone says he has "all the talent in the world" :rofl: The guy can't stay on the field if his life depended on it.

Good call. Napolean Jr felt he had to have his own version of Brandon Marshall.

This makes:

A. Smith- Bust
Moreno- Bust
Thomas- Always injured
Tebow- ?
McBath- Bust
Quinn- Bust

...all 1st and 2nd round picks.

Turd_Ferguson
09-17-2011, 03:26 PM
Anyone else want to keep backing this horse. Actually, if Knowshon was a horse, he would have been shot by now.[/QUOTE]

He's definitely not Seabiscuit... At least with McGahee you have a guy that isn't going to try to avoid contact and break it outside losing even more yards than if he had ran into the non existent hole.

cutthemdown
09-17-2011, 03:27 PM
Also time to stop kidding ourselves about Moreno. He's soft, doesn't break tackles or big runs, gets injured a lot, and can no longer be considered a starting NFL rb. Add that to the list of positions the Broncos need players at.

cutthemdown
09-17-2011, 03:27 PM
Magahee looks slow and plodding to me. I think we should give the rookie Johnson a looksie.

broncocalijohn
09-17-2011, 03:29 PM
Good call. Napolean Jr felt he had to have his own version of Brandon Marshall.

This makes:

A. Smith- Bust
Moreno- Bust
Thomas- Always injured
Tebow- ?
McBath- Bust
Quinn- Bust

...all 1st and 2nd round picks.

****ing McDaniels. The former coach that keeps killing and killing.

Magahee looks slow and plodding to me. I think we should give the rookie Johnson a looksie.

Might be dangerous. I think that is how Moreno pulled a Hammy. Someone also looked at him.

broncosteven
09-17-2011, 03:30 PM
I am beginning to think they need to trade KM to a team that will use him as a 3rd down back. I wonder if he just gets cuts outright if he can't get over 1k this year.

He is like the bad version of Darren Sproles and Reggie Bush.

TheReverend
09-17-2011, 03:31 PM
Stop the ****ing presses.

Knowshon is hurt?

Next you'll tell me Thomas is gonna get dinged this year.

OrangeSe7en
09-17-2011, 03:31 PM
I am beginning to think they need to trade KM to a team that will use him as a 3rd down back. I wonder if he just gets cuts outright if he can't get over 1k this year.

He is like the bad version of Darren Sproles and Reggie Bush.

Except he's slow and they're not. They're also better returners.

broncosteven
09-17-2011, 03:31 PM
Magahee looks slow and plodding to me. I think we should give the rookie Johnson a looksie.

I agree, I want to see what JJ can do, if he can't do it at this level let him go and start looking for street FA's.

I miss the days when we could find UDFA' or low round picks.

maher_tyler
09-17-2011, 03:37 PM
Never buying a current players jersey again (got it his rookie year). Only long term guys like Champ or retired players!

It's always a hamstring with him..does he ever stretch?? God this team sucks! Should have hassled DTV for Center Ice instead of the Ticket!

:unamused:

TheReverend
09-17-2011, 03:39 PM
Never buying a current players jersey again (got it his rookie year). Only long term guys like Champ or retired players!

It's always a hamstring with him..does he ever stretch?? God this team sucks! Should have hassled DTV for Center Ice instead of the Ticket!

:unamused:

lol, need to be in their 2nd contract with 1+ all pro seasons

broncosteven
09-17-2011, 03:39 PM
Never buying a current players jersey again (got it his rookie year). Only long term guys like Champ or retired players!

It's always a hamstring with him..does he ever stretch?? God this team sucks! Should have hassled DTV for Center Ice instead of the Ticket!

:unamused:

I expect to see KM tee's and jersey's in the cut out/clearance section on NFL.com soon.

TheReverend
09-17-2011, 03:41 PM
Crossfit strikes again.

tsiguy96
09-17-2011, 03:42 PM
wait, crossfit did nothing to actually prepare him for the actual contact portion of football? color me surprised.

tsiguy96
09-17-2011, 03:43 PM
Crossfit strikes again.

bastard. thought i made the first crossfit post, and wa-la, out from under me.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-17-2011, 03:46 PM
Thankfully Sunday Ticket is free this year. I can't imagine actually paying money to watch this clusterf--k of a team.

broncosteven
09-17-2011, 03:47 PM
Never buying a current players jersey again (got it his rookie year). Only long term guys like Champ or retired players!

It's always a hamstring with him..does he ever stretch?? God this team sucks! Should have hassled DTV for Center Ice instead of the Ticket!

:unamused:

BTW my Brother made a bar curtain out of his old jersey's of busts. I should have him post pictures. At least that way they are useful

OrangeSe7en
09-17-2011, 03:48 PM
Hopefully this means we wont see any endzone dances if we're down by 40. In that regard, it could be good.

oubronco
09-17-2011, 03:48 PM
Good call. Napolean Jr felt he had to have his own version of Brandon Marshall.

This makes:

A. Smith- Bust
Moreno- Bust
Thomas- Always injured
Tebow- ?
McBath- Bust
Quinn- Bust

...all 1st and 2nd round picks.

That is ****ing pathetic they could've hired Spags and just drafted defense

TheDave
09-17-2011, 03:49 PM
2009
1- Knowshon Moreno – Bust
1- Robert Ayers – Marginal Starter
2- Alphonso Smith - Gone
2- Darcel McBath - Gone
2- Richard Quinn - Gone
4- David Bruton - 3rd team
4- Seth Olsen - Gone
5- Kenny McKinley - RIP
6- Tom Brandstater – “Brandy”…”Brandy”
7- Blake Schlueter - Gone

2010
1-Demaryius Thomas - Injured
1-Tim Tebow – 3rd team
2-Zane Beadles – Marginal starter
3-J.D. Walton – Marginal Starter
4-Eric Decker – 3rd WR
5- Parrish Cox - Rapist
6- Eric Olsen - Gone
6- Syd'Quan Thompson – Injured
7-Jammie Kirlew, Indiana – Gone


Just updated the McD Draft record.

We are going to be digging our way out of this hole for a while

OrangeSe7en
09-17-2011, 03:49 PM
That is ****ing pathetic they could've hired Spags and just drafted defense

I forgot to add Ayers. He's a bust as well.

Bob's your Information Minister
09-17-2011, 03:50 PM
Wow. This guy is rapidly approaching Jarvis Moss status.

TDmvp
09-17-2011, 03:50 PM
Good call. Napolean Jr felt he had to have his own version of Brandon Marshall.

This makes:

A. Smith- Bust
Moreno- Bust
Thomas- Always injured
Tebow- ?
McBath- Bust
Quinn- Bust

...all 1st and 2nd round picks.


http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm9zgoB8yc1qht1fyo1_500.gif

broncosteven
09-17-2011, 03:55 PM
2009
1- Knowshon Moreno – Bust
1- Robert Ayers – Marginal Starter
2- Alphonso Smith - Gone
2- Darcel McBath - Gone
2- Richard Quinn - Gone
4- David Bruton - 3rd team
4- Seth Olsen - Gone
5- Kenny McKinley - RIP
6- Tom Brandstater – “Brandy”…”Brandy”
7- Blake Schlueter - Gone

2010
1-Demaryius Thomas - Injured
1-Tim Tebow – 3rd team
2-Zane Beadles – Marginal starter
3-J.D. Walton – Marginal Starter
4-Eric Decker – 3rd WR
5- Parrish Cox - Rapist
6- Eric Olsen - Gone
6- Syd'Quan Thompson – Injured
7-Jammie Kirlew, Indiana – Gone


Just updated the McD Draft record.

We are going to be digging our way out of this hole for a while

WHo knew Decker would be the only good thing to come out of mCd's short tenure.

And there were idiots who thought he should have been kept for one more year!!!

TheReverend
09-17-2011, 03:55 PM
bastard. thought i made the first crossfit post, and wa-la, out from under me.

:kiss: Who knew an injury prone RB would become MORE injury prone after dropping 20 lbs?

broncosteven
09-17-2011, 03:57 PM
I forgot to add Ayers. He's a bust as well.

I am hard on Ayers, I think he is better as a DE but he will be nothing more than an edge setting DE which I can live with, not worth 1st round value but if he keeps playing well vs the run I am ok with it.

OrangeSe7en
09-17-2011, 03:58 PM
I am hard on Ayers, I think he is better as a DE but he will be nothing more than an edge setting DE which I can live with, not worth 1st round value but if he keeps playing well vs the run I am ok with it.

Im not OK with him. When you consider where he was drafted, he's a bust.

Aftermath
09-17-2011, 03:59 PM
Lol awwwwsum!

Dr. Broncenstein
09-17-2011, 04:00 PM
Tebow would be worth the pick if he were only used as a red zone / short yardage specialist. Statistically he has been unstoppable in this setting.

gunns
09-17-2011, 04:02 PM
Don't know how you can say he's talented tho? He's mediocre/average at best. He's had 1 100 yard game as a pro, I believe, there's no talent there. There's walk on guys that are better than he is. Yeah he can catch the ball out of the backfield but so can 200 other guys out there, and 80% of them are better running backs.


The guy is trash.

This.

OrangeSe7en
09-17-2011, 04:04 PM
Tebow would be worth the pick if he were only used as a red zone / short yardage specialist. Statistically he has been unstoppable in this setting.

Dont go complaining about all the Tebow threads.

Scottish_Bronco
09-17-2011, 04:12 PM
I had my fears last season but one game into the new season and I've came to the conclusion that Moreno is no more than a 3rd down back who can catch a pass out the backfield. Yes, running backs tend to get more injuries than other positions but this guy seems to pull a hamstring just getting out of bed in the morning.

I fully suspect McGahee to pretty much win the starting job now. We cant rely on Moreno

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 04:15 PM
Thankfully Sunday Ticket is free this year. I can't imagine actually paying money to watch this clusterf--k of a team.


This - we've discussed this before. I refuse to pay for that crap again if the team is not improved. There's too many streams out there and ways to download the HQ versions a couple days later. Will free up my Sundays in 2012, if we all survive.

NUB
09-17-2011, 04:20 PM
Heartbreaking. It's like the day we all found out Lenny Walls is just a really tall guy and little else.

broncosteven
09-17-2011, 04:20 PM
This - we've discussed this before. I refuse to pay for that crap again if the team is not improved. There's too many streams out there and ways to download the HQ versions a couple days later. Will free up my Sundays in 2012, if we all survive.

I would have cancelled last year but if I do I would not be able to renew when Denver is better without having to buy a full year of programming.

I have it set up where all I get is Sunday Ticket via Dish and Uverse for regular TV

Requiem
09-17-2011, 04:39 PM
Haters gon hate, Knowshon!

TheReverend
09-17-2011, 04:46 PM
Haters gon hate, Knowshon!

His -5 yard scramble would make an awesome "Haters gonna hate" gif

db56
09-17-2011, 04:48 PM
I've defended this guy in the past but cant do it any longer, bust. I've seen more production out of the back ups for a lot less money...

OrangeSe7en
09-17-2011, 04:49 PM
I've defended this guy in the past but cant do it any longer, bust. I've seen more production out of the back ups for a lot less money...

And to think he held out.

Bronx33
09-17-2011, 04:54 PM
Fragily

maven
09-17-2011, 04:57 PM
A. Smith- Bust
Moreno- Bust
Thomas- Always injured
Tebow- ?
McBath- Bust
Quinn- Bust

...all 1st and 2nd round picks.

I can't help but laugh.:rofl:

Nwp-Apap
09-17-2011, 05:05 PM
Who needs an OL anyway? Not knowshon apparently, he's a first round pick so he should be able to be the best RB the nation's ever seen. Right?

Well, that's what it seems you guys expect of him, especially given our pitiful run blocking, I doubt any RB that ever lived would produce much of anything with our sub par line play.

TheDave
09-17-2011, 05:06 PM
Who needs an OL anyway? Not knowshon apparently, he's a first round pick so he should be able to be the best RB the nation's ever seen. Right?

Well, that's what it seems you guys expect of him, especially given our pitiful run blocking, I doubt any RB that ever lived would produce much of anything with our sub par line play.

Knowshon?

OrangeSe7en
09-17-2011, 05:07 PM
Who needs an OL anyway? Not knowshon apparently, he's a first round pick so he should be able to be the best RB the nation's ever seen. Right?

Well, that's what it seems you guys expect of him, especially given our pitiful run blocking, I doubt any RB that ever lived would produce much of anything with our sub par line play.

Yeah, poor Moreno. Cry me a river.

oubronco
09-17-2011, 05:10 PM
Who needs an OL anyway? Not knowshon apparently, he's a first round pick so he should be able to be the best RB the nation's ever seen. Right?

Well, that's what it seems you guys expect of him, especially given our pitiful run blocking, I doubt any RB that ever lived would produce much of anything with our sub par line play.

Except when he's out in space and can't outrun, make defenders miss, trips over himself, and then takes himself out of the game after every play

ghwk
09-17-2011, 05:11 PM
He's a hangar queen

Chris
09-17-2011, 05:17 PM
Will we ever fire Greek? I wonder.

Lolad
09-17-2011, 05:17 PM
Except when he's out in space and can't outrun, make defenders miss, trips over himself, and then takes himself out of the game after every play

This. Moreno has very poor conditioning. He can't name a LB miss in open space means your wasting a roster spot

Chris
09-17-2011, 05:17 PM
Except when he's out in space and can't outrun, make defenders miss, trips over himself, and then takes himself out of the game after every play

He made two guys fall on their face in the last game.

frerottenextelway
09-17-2011, 05:23 PM
Knowshon needs to work on his footwork and running mechanics. We should've left him on the bench to learn for his first two years.

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 05:29 PM
Who needs an OL anyway? Not knowshon apparently, he's a first round pick so he should be able to be the best RB the nation's ever seen. Right?

Well, that's what it seems you guys expect of him, especially given our pitiful run blocking, I doubt any RB that ever lived would produce much of anything with our sub par line play.

Please, pretty please, respond with a valid point, to this:

Except when he's out in space and can't outrun, make defenders miss, trips over himself, and then takes himself out of the game after every play

See previous years as well.

Nwp-Apap
09-17-2011, 05:30 PM
Knowshon?

Rockwell Moreno

DarkHorse
09-17-2011, 05:31 PM
He made two guys fall on their face in the last game.

One of the very few times going into his 3rd year. Any others? Didn't he have a good KC game when he got his first, err only, 100 yard game?

Ugly Duck
09-17-2011, 05:32 PM
Magahee looks slow and plodding to me.

I'm worried that Taiwan Jones might not be fast enough for Oakland. Oh sure - he played against the Saints starting D in preseason. But he played almost two entire quarters against them and only managed 81 yards & 1 TD on 12 carries. I'm hoping he can do better & not be just another McGahee.


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DB-Freak
09-17-2011, 06:04 PM
I guess all that Crossfit didn't help.

Agamemnon
09-17-2011, 06:06 PM
Sigh...

Kaylore
09-17-2011, 06:16 PM
Yay for crossfit! Yay for jazz-hands!

Br0nc0Buster
09-17-2011, 06:25 PM
Im not OK with him. When you consider where he was drafted, he's a bust.

no hes not
he was solid on Monday night, one of the few players who actually did their job

OrangeSe7en
09-17-2011, 06:26 PM
no hes not
he was solid on Monday night, one of the few players who actually did their job

Bust! "Solid" isnt good enough.

Natedog24
09-17-2011, 06:30 PM
We don't need Knowshon, we have Jeremiah Johnson ;D

Br0nc0Buster
09-17-2011, 06:30 PM
Quickly realizing that two year span of picks is one of the worst collection of draft picks if not the worst

you would think just by shear luck more of those guys would of turned out, but wow its like we were purposely targeting crappy players

So far Ayers and Decker have shown to be solid
Bay Bay and Tebow are complete ?s at this point
Bruton is a good special teamer, but prolly nothing more

thats pretty freaking awful given how many picks we had

Br0nc0Buster
09-17-2011, 06:31 PM
Bust! "Solid" isnt good enough.

but better than "bust"

he was overdrafted, but he doesnt suck

DrFate
09-17-2011, 06:32 PM
he was overdrafted, but he doesnt suck

He sucks

(I'm not even sure of the context, but it's likely the reference is Orton or Moreno and they both suck, so I feel safe in my comment)

OrangeSe7en
09-17-2011, 06:34 PM
but better than "bust"

he was overdrafted, but he doesnt suck

Even if you want to call him solid, that still equals bust if that's all he is. Keep in mind that Robert Gallery was actually a decent guard for Oakland and Tony Mandarich actuallly had a decent career as a guard also. Both of them are considered busts. It's not enough to just be "solid" and I don't even thing Ayers has been solid.,

Br0nc0Buster
09-17-2011, 06:35 PM
He sucks

(I'm not even sure of the context, but it's likely the reference is Orton or Moreno and they both suck, so I feel safe in my comment)

Ayers was much better than both on Monday night

if you actually watch Ayers and not just look at his stats youll know he doesnt suck
he holds his ground, controls his lanes, and even throws in some pressures from time to time

that is not "suck" under any circumstance

he received good grades from PFF
again it goes beyond just sacks, he does other things quite well

DB-Freak
09-17-2011, 06:40 PM
Let's not kid ourselves...

THis dude is a Brian Westbrook/Kevin Faulk type of back.

Not like he has tremendous agility and speed to compensate for the lack of brute size and strength.

He was a mistake.

Br0nc0Buster
09-17-2011, 06:41 PM
Even if you want to call him solid, that still equals bust if that's all he is. Keep in mind that Robert Gallery was actually a decent guard for Oakland and Tony Mandarich actuallly had a decent career as a guard also. Both of them are considered busts. It's not enough to just be "solid" and I don't even thing Ayers has been solid.,

I think difference between those two and Ayers is they were both high picks(top 5 or whatever) that failed and had to switch positions.
they were not drafted to be guards

Ayers is pretty close to what people thought he would be who followed him in college
he isnt as disruptive, but he is a good run defender who can get pressures from time to time

again he was overdrafted, but he has for the most part displayed skills you would expect for a power end

his good plays just dont show up in the stat sheets very often

Br0nc0Buster
09-17-2011, 06:42 PM
anways back to Moreno

yeah he has been a dissapointment

I really hope we dont spend any firsts on RBs from now on

DB-Freak
09-17-2011, 06:44 PM
They need to spend 1st on QB, OL, DL, LB if it can be helped.

OrangeSe7en
09-17-2011, 06:45 PM
I think difference between those two and Ayers is they were both high picks(top 5 or whatever) that failed and had to switch positions.
they were not drafted to be guards

Ayers is pretty close to what people thought he would be who followed him in college
he isnt as disruptive, but he is a good run defender who can get pressures from time to time

again he was overdrafted, but he has for the most part displayed skills you would expect for a power end

his good plays just dont show up in the stat sheets very often

That's not true at all. And it's no different from the other two. Where he was drafted still factors in. In the case of Ayers, he didn't have huge sack numbers but he also showed some upside in this regard because, while he didnt get sacks, he did beat his man a lot...enough for people to project upside for Ayers. I think it's safe to say, Ayers hasn't grown as a player in meaningful or noticeable way. He hasnt really come close to reaching any projected upside that made him a high pick in the draft.

SouthStndJunkie
09-17-2011, 07:12 PM
You have to be able to play through nagging injuries if you want to make it as a RB in the pros.

TheReverend
09-17-2011, 07:15 PM
Let's not kid ourselves...

THis dude is a Brian Westbrook/Kevin Faulk type of back.

Not like he has tremendous agility and speed to compensate for the lack of brute size and strength.

He was a mistake.

We could only be so lucky...

Br0nc0Buster
09-17-2011, 07:21 PM
That's not true at all. And it's no different from the other two. Where he was drafted still factors in. In the case of Ayers, he didn't have huge sack numbers but he also showed some upside in this regard because, while he didnt get sacks, he did beat his man a lot...enough for people to project upside for Ayers. I think it's safe to say, Ayers hasn't grown as a player in meaningful or noticeable way. He hasnt really come close to reaching any projected upside that made him a high pick in the draft.

dude Iv addressed this already in my previous posts, dont feel like saying the same things over again

hes been playing a different position the past two years, you cant compare production from his Tennessee days to a position he was prolly not fit for to begin with

Im not going to argue semantics, its getting silly
he played well on Monday night, I dont care if you call him a "bust" or not that doesnt take away the fact he is one of the better players on our defense

TonyR
09-17-2011, 07:39 PM
We could only be so lucky...

You beat me to it. I don't think some people realize how productive Westbrook was, particularly when you factor in his receiving numbers.

Atwater His Ass
09-17-2011, 07:45 PM
The guy's a bust. He can't perfrom and he just doesn't have the ability to make others better around him or make teams gameplan for him. Those are the kinds of things you want out of a first round pick.

Also the pick was crap due to wasting the pick on a RB, but he was considered one of the best prospects in the draft, so in any case, someone was going to get a dud out of their 1st round pick and IF you were going to take a RB, he probably was the guy you take.

Can't hold the injuries against the guy though. Frustrating for sure, but that's not the issue. He's just not a good NFL running back. Wouldn't mind keeping him on a 3rd down type back, but he can no longer be counted on or given any more chances to be "the guy".

DENVERDUI55
09-17-2011, 09:40 PM
No news here moreno is a paper vagina. What a garbage pick mcd.

Turd_Ferguson
09-17-2011, 09:56 PM
Wow. This guy is rapidly approaching Jarvis Moss status.

You mean he's approaching Tyson Jackson status?

Dr. Broncenstein
09-17-2011, 10:43 PM
He made two guys fall on their face in the last game.

From laughter when he pulled himself out of the game again?

broncosteven
09-17-2011, 11:21 PM
You mean he's approaching Tyson Jackson status?

Kajana Carter status!

ZONA
09-17-2011, 11:26 PM
If Moreno doesn't get 1000 rushing yards this season, it's time to consider him that passing down RB, and to draft some new horses. For where he was picked, the lack of big time speed and being injured so often, you gotta say it was a bad pick. Not that I don't think he's not a solid player. Just not what you expect for such a high pick.

KipCorrington25
09-17-2011, 11:38 PM
If Moreno doesn't get 1000 rushing yards this season, it's time to consider him that passing down RB, and to draft some new horses. For where he was picked, the lack of big time speed and being injured so often, you gotta say it was a bad pick. Not that I don't think he's not a solid player. Just not what you expect for such a high pick.

If? Ha!:clown::strong:ROFL!:sunshine:Hilarious!LOL:cur tsey:;):egbgb:

Hamrob
09-17-2011, 11:52 PM
I'm look forward to seeing Jeremiah Johnson...he reminds me of Portis. I don't know if he has that type of speed, but he sure looks like him.

Durango
09-18-2011, 01:43 AM
Quickly realizing that two year span of picks is one of the worst collection of draft picks if not the worst

you would think just by shear luck more of those guys would of turned out, but wow its like we were purposely targeting crappy players

So far Ayers and Decker have shown to be solid
Bay Bay and Tebow are complete ?s at this point
Bruton is a good special teamer, but prolly nothing more

thats pretty freaking awful given how many picks we had

No kidding, but hey, limiting your draft board is always the best way to focus in on those 'need' players. We just don't get any (Decker excepted)

razorwire77
09-18-2011, 01:55 AM
Hopefully, Jeremiah Johnson gets a look or two tomorrow to spell Willis, Although I'm sure we'll get the Lance Ball show.

Agamemnon
09-18-2011, 03:23 AM
Hopefully, Jeremiah Johnson gets a look or two tomorrow to spell Willis, Although I'm sure we'll get the Lance Ball show.

McGahee and Ball... ugh!~

cutthemdown
09-18-2011, 05:44 AM
If Moreno doesn't get 1000 rushing yards this season, it's time to consider him that passing down RB, and to draft some new horses. For where he was picked, the lack of big time speed and being injured so often, you gotta say it was a bad pick. Not that I don't think he's not a solid player. Just not what you expect for such a high pick.

He's not solid at all. He's a total bust even if he was a 2nd round or 3rd round, or any round. He's not a good NFL player and his body doesn't hold up. Not really his fault just happens sometimes where guys look great in college but just don't have it on the next level.

There is a good chance Moreno not on the Broncos next yr. This team still needs a plethora of new players.

cutthemdown
09-18-2011, 05:47 AM
If Moreno doesn't get 1000 rushing yards this season, it's time to consider him that passing down RB, and to draft some new horses. For where he was picked, the lack of big time speed and being injured so often, you gotta say it was a bad pick. Not that I don't think he's not a solid player. Just not what you expect for such a high pick.

He's not solid at all. He's a total bust even if he was a 2nd round or 3rd round, or any round. He's not a good NFL player and his body doesn't hold up. Not really his fault just happens sometimes where guys look great in college but just don't have it on the next level.

There is a good chance Moreno not on the Broncos next yr. This team still needs a plethora of new players and I think after seeing them play for a yr Elway and Fox will have seen enough. I also think there is a good chance you will see Xanders gone. Just a gut feeling though I haven't heard anything.

Dagmar
09-18-2011, 06:33 AM
McGahee and Ball... ugh!~

Yup.

QB = Orton
RB = Willis and Ball.

Bleurgh.

DrFate
09-18-2011, 07:17 AM
Ayers was much better than both on Monday night

if you actually watch Ayers and not just look at his stats youll know he doesnt suck
he holds his ground, controls his lanes, and even throws in some pressures from time to time

that is not "suck" under any circumstance

he received good grades from PFF
again it goes beyond just sacks, he does other things quite well

I appreciate the insight. I haven't spent much time watching Ayers in isolation. I know his stats aren't all the impressive.

fontaine
09-18-2011, 07:17 AM
Tinker Bell was more durable than this guy.

strafen
09-18-2011, 07:39 AM
Karma is a biatch.

Let's recap...

People were asking for Shanny's head. People were happy Shannys got fired. 24-24 in the las 3 seasons with him wasn't cutting it. Today, 8-8 season is considered a success.

Cutler. People were happy he was traded. I don't care what people say. Bad game in the NFCCG and all, but that's a lot further than we've been with any QB. Cutler is off to a good start. He's had more success than any QB we've got since he's been gone
Karma is a biatch. Becareful what you wish for.

Peyton Hillis. People were happy we traded him. People said he was too dumb to learn McD offensive book. People said they were happy we let him go. People were making fun of his 57 yards last week and how he ALMOST fumbled. Anybody saw Moreno's performance last week? Thought so... Popps?
Hillis was 3rd in the NFL in scores last year. He made the Madden cover. People were saying he was going to get hurt, still too early in the season, but you don't wish that kind of stuff you wouldn't want wished upon our own players. He's been better than what we've had since he's been gone.
Karma is a biatch. Becareful what you wish for.

Brandon Marshall. I haven't quite followed him since he left, but he's been a solid receiver in the league, 1000-yard season last year, off to a good start. Not much to defend about Marshall here in terms of personal issues, perhaps he's the only one I was ok with leaving the team. Still as good as anybody we've got right now.

Tony Scheffler. People were happy he left. People are still hating on the guy.
He's a solid TE and sadly, we haven't got nobody better than him since he left. Karma is a biatch. Becareful what you wish for.

Rick Dennison. People were happy he left. People were so happy about our so new power scheme system, it was time to let go of the old WC offense. Blocking anyone?
Karma is a biatch. Becareful what you wish for.

Bobby Turner. People were happy he was let go. One of those moves McD made that their fans just supported, just because. A 1000-yard rusher anyone?
Karma is a biatch. Becareful what you wish for.

Mike Nolan. Not a Shanahan hire. People were soo happy he was let go. He wasn't doing what McD wantwd him to do. People were supportive of McD for that move. Top-10 defense anyone?
Karma is a biatch. Becareful what you wish for...

It's one of those things that looking back and putting everyting in perspective, we weren't as bad as we thought we were. We as a fan wouldn't settle for a SB appearance and a win under Shanahan. Nowadays, we're willing to settle for an 8-8 season.
Oh, how times have changed. Shanny and those guys aforementioned, are wondering if we're missing them, as I'm sure they all had the chance to watch their former team last Monday on national TV; Monday Night Football, no less...

MABroncoFan
09-18-2011, 07:48 AM
Hopefully, Jeremiah Johnson gets a look or two tomorrow to spell Willis, Although I'm sure we'll get the Lance Ball show.

I think he'll probably just play STs barring injuries to Ball or McGahee.

strafen
09-18-2011, 08:03 AM
He made two guys fall on their face in the last game.

ROFL!LOL:strong:

Dedhed
09-18-2011, 09:01 AM
I'm look forward to seeing Jeremiah Johnson...he reminds me of Portis. I don't know if he has that type of speed, but he sure looks like him.
I'm hoping he gets an opportunity as well. I liked him a lot coming out of college, and I've seen enough of Lance (drops the) Ball.

However, unless we see far superior OL play today, it's gonna be tough sledding for all the backs.

Chris
09-18-2011, 09:30 AM
ROFL!LOL:strong:

Just stating the facts. Dude got a few moves.

lonestar
09-18-2011, 09:45 AM
Hey straffen

Just curious how many first day Picks of mikeys got a second contract in Denver directly after their rookie contract expired.

You know the guys that all the great teams build their teams with. The true foundation of players that are Your base. The ones that get second through fourth four year contracts.

Your franchise players at their position. for most of those years it was pi KS one through three and then lately day one and two picks.

Without going back to the draft board, I can tell you. Pryce, and two LBs Mobley and Wilson and last but not least Neil.

Thats all folks pretty pathetic over a total of about 35 choices, during mikeys regime..

Edit, Let me add who uses a top 50 pick IIRC on a one handed WR.. a second round choice totally fubared for watts.. Nice kid but ONE hand that was usuable..

That alone should have gotten him fired as GM..

broncocalijohn
09-18-2011, 11:49 AM
Strafen is so full of ****. Show me one post from these McD disciples (popps, tsiguy as example) that they were happy for Nolan leaving or Bobby Turner. You will dig through many post to find MAYBE one and claim it as majority. Full of ****.
Only thing bad about Shanny leaving is that there was actually someone so bad that replaced him, that we wish Mike stayed one more year just to pass the chance of getting McD.

WolfpackGuy
09-18-2011, 11:59 AM
Bleh, what else is new?

broncocalijohn
09-18-2011, 12:13 PM
If Moreno doesn't get 1000 rushing yards this season, it's time to consider him that passing down RB, and to draft some new horses. For where he was picked, the lack of big time speed and being injured so often, you gotta say it was a bad pick. Not that I don't think he's not a solid player. Just not what you expect for such a high pick.

Zona is saying, "Hey I am with you guys"......BUT I will try to sneak into some positive love for Moreno by giving him props as a 3rd down back and a "solid" player.
Zona, you already stated it that he is considered a bad pick aka BUST with where he was picked. Go with the flow. He isnt solid. If he was, he would not be on the sidelines more often than not.

strafen
09-18-2011, 11:53 PM
Strafen is so full of ****. Show me one post from these McD disciples (popps, tsiguy as example) that they were happy for Nolan leaving or Bobby Turner. You will dig through many post to find MAYBE one and claim it as majority. Full of ****.
Only thing bad about Shanny leaving is that there was actually someone so bad that replaced him, that we wish Mike stayed one more year just to pass the chance of getting McD.

I've said people. I didn't say anything about majority.
Peoplewere justifying the departures of Nolan, and Bobby Turner.
The fact that it was said, it was disturbing to me.
I stand correct...

broncocalijohn
09-19-2011, 12:38 AM
I've said people. I didn't say anything about majority.
Peoplewere justifying the departures of Nolan, and Bobby Turner.
The fact that it was said, it was disturbing to me.
I stand correct...

You said they were happy. Go back and read your post. That is different than justifying. I think 98% of the people had respect for both Nolan and Turner. You are not correct IMO if you cant show any proof. You say PEOPLE so must mean more than just Popps.