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epicSocialism4tw
09-15-2011, 10:41 PM
I mean really...shouldn't they just be covering the story instead of constantly trying to tell Broncos fans (who passionately view every game and understand much more about the intricacies of Broncos football than anyone at ESPiN) how to think? Do they think that Broncos fans are really stupid enough to read another shallow, unisightful article about Tebow and finally be convinced of how unequivocally right that the all-seeing, all-knowing hacks at ESPiN think that they are?

These articles are hilarious. A cursory glance at these things show that the authors havent even a surface understanding of the issues in Denver, yet they play the expert and then talk down to Broncos Fan like a politician telling a constituent to pipe down and take what they're given.

Here's the latest example: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6974381/tim-tebow-thanks-fans-support-says-wait-turn-complaint

Agamemnon
09-15-2011, 10:44 PM
Quite a few Broncos fans believe what they say actually. There are many stupid Broncos fans honestly.

DBroncos4life
09-15-2011, 10:46 PM
I mean really...shouldn't they just be covering the story instead of constantly trying to tell Broncos fans (who passionately view every game and understand much more about the intricacies of Broncos football than anyone at ESPiN) how to think? Do they think that Broncos fans are really stupid enough to read another shallow, unisightful article about Tebow and finally be convinced of how unequivocally right that the all-seeing, all-knowing hacks at ESPiN think that they are?

These articles are hilarious. A cursory glance at these things show that the authors havent even a surface understanding of the issues in Denver, yet they play the expert and then talk down to Broncos Fan like a politician telling a constituent to pipe down and take what they're given.

Here's the latest example: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6974381/tim-tebow-thanks-fans-support-says-wait-turn-complaint

Well they get tools to post it on our message boards over and over again so I would say at least part of what they are doing is working.

Crow
09-15-2011, 10:52 PM
I'm not sure I understand your complaint. The article seemed unbiased.

If it's the "Save your bankroll and your breath" comment that upset you, I think the point may have been lost on you. These proposed billboards are a comical waste of money and aren't going to make any difference. I don't see where the writer was saying anything more than that.

HAT
09-15-2011, 10:57 PM
Here's a different perspective on things.

Whatever you quoted there....Blog/article/post, is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. There is no such thing as "Ortonmania".

Dude typed a bunch of words to debunk some myths that only the dumbest of the dumb believe in in the first place.

swaiy
09-15-2011, 10:59 PM
Whatever you quoted there....Blog/article/post, is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. There is no such thing as "Ortonmania".

Dude typed a bunch of words to debunk some myths that only the dumbest of the dumb believe in in the first place.

It was just a post.

There's no such thing as "Tebowmania" either but people will argue it all day.


You're entitled to your opinion though. Nothing wrong with that.


Matter of fact, I'm going to delete it. I wasn't trying to hijack the thread.

epicSocialism4tw
09-15-2011, 11:00 PM
I'm not sure I understand your complaint. The article seemed unbiased.

If it's the "Save your bankroll and your breath" comment that upset you, I think the point may have been lost on you. These proposed billboards are a comical waste of money and aren't going to make any difference. I don't see where the writer was saying anything more than that.

Probably not, since I'm not bankrolling a billboard, but nice try.

It has more to do with statements like this:

"Tebow never came close to beating out Orton this summer and was even outplayed by Brady Quinn." - which is shallow and shows a lazy, poor, and intentionally biased perspective of the Denver QB situation

and using statements like this to defend Orton (an established veteran) against Tebow, who the statement fits more aptly:

"Hall of Famer John Elway, now the Broncos' chief of football operations, chimed in Thursday, tweeting, "If decisions were made based on one week, I'd have been outta here after my first start!"

That was on Sept. 4, 1983, at Pittsburgh, where Elway was just 1 for 8 for 14 yards with one interception and four sacks."

Along with baseless, ignorant speculation like this spouted as fact:

"Quinn in all likelihood would go in if Orton were to get hurt, so when Tebow plays is anybody's guess."

Popps
09-15-2011, 11:11 PM
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OBF1
09-15-2011, 11:20 PM
Atleast we found out who the 1 person is that watches ESPN... I quit listening to anything on the channel that has anything to do with their so called "Experts" aka bobble heads years ago.

epicSocialism4tw
09-15-2011, 11:22 PM
Atleast we found out who the 1 person is that watches ESPN... I quit listening to anything on the channel that has anything to do with their so called "Experts" aka bobble heads years ago.

Ha!

You're probably right. Maybe I should just turn it off.

TheDave
09-15-2011, 11:28 PM
Probably not, since I'm not bankrolling a billboard, but nice try.

It has more to do with statements like this:

"Tebow never came close to beating out Orton this summer and was even outplayed by Brady Quinn." - which is shallow and shows a lazy, poor, and intentionally biased perspective of the Denver QB situation


Actually I was at camp 3 different times and that is exactly what I saw as well.

Along with baseless, ignorant speculation like this spouted as fact:

"Quinn in all likelihood would go in if Orton were to get hurt, so when Tebow plays is anybody's guess."

How is that baseless... I thought this was common knowledge.

Agamemnon
09-15-2011, 11:30 PM
Actually I was at camp 3 different times and that is exactly what I saw as well.

When are you going to figure out that a) we don't care about no-contact passing drills and b) we don't care about your interpretation of said no-contact passing drills?

TheDave
09-15-2011, 11:33 PM
When are you going to figure out that a) we don't care about no-contact passing drills and b) we don't care about your interpretation of said no-contact passing drills?

What ever you say MacGubber Jr.

Agamemnon
09-15-2011, 11:43 PM
What ever you say MacGubber Jr.

Witty. ::)

Crow
09-15-2011, 11:44 PM
Probably not, since I'm not bankrolling a billboard, but nice try.

It has more to do with statements like this:

"Tebow never came close to beating out Orton this summer and was even outplayed by Brady Quinn." - which is shallow and shows a lazy, poor, and intentionally biased perspective of the Denver QB situation

How is it lazy or biased? It directly reflects the reality of the situation. It may not be what you want to hear/read, but the facts don't change because we want them to.

Honestly, what is the argument here? What is the opinion of the Tebow faithful with regards to why he's getting shelved by the Broncos? Is there some conspiracy theory that I'm missing, or is it simply a case of fans thinking they're more qualified to make these decisions than the people who have been doing this for most of their lives?

and using statements like this to defend Orton (an established veteran) against Tebow, who the statement fits more aptly:

"Hall of Famer John Elway, now the Broncos' chief of football operations, chimed in Thursday, tweeting, "If decisions were made based on one week, I'd have been outta here after my first start!"

An argument could be made that it fits both. You don't dump your starter after one week, especially when he played pretty well in more games last year than he didn't. His W/L record is lacking, obviously. But so is the Bronco roster. There's not much about this roster to get excited about. A few outstanding players doesn't compensate for the overall weakness of the roster. Orton needs to play better, absolutely. But so does everyone else.

On a side note, I think the Raider defense caught Denver off guard a bit. They came out using the 5 man D-line that a lot of people here probably played in high school. They ran more zone defenses Monday Night than most Raider teams run all year. I would liken it to how the Dolphins made fools of a pretty strong Patriots defense a few years ago by throwing that Wildcat bull**** at them from seemingly out of nowhere. Doesn't matter how good you are. If you're not prepared for what your opponent throws at you, you're probably going to lose.

Along with baseless, ignorant speculation like this spouted as fact:

"Quinn in all likelihood would go in if Orton were to get hurt, so when Tebow plays is anybody's guess."

I don't see how this is either baseless or ignorant. There's little from this offseason, be it from preseason games or media reporting, that points to anything other than Tebow being 3rd string right now. I'm sure that's unconscionable to Tebow fans, but it appears to be accurate. In reality, it's Tebowfan that's grasping at straws, searching for something, anything, to dispute these reports.

TheDave
09-15-2011, 11:53 PM
Witty. ::)

See... the problem is, all you tebow fanatics are the same. You don't know a darn thing about football you just know you want to see your guy play... Period.

The kid showed up to run an NFL team and didn't look like he knew what he was doing. He blew it. So to start the season we get KO. Thats nobodys fault but Tebows. Blame him and stop looking for a conspiracy theory.

Now here is the bright side, with the way things are going Orton will most likely play himself out of a job by week 4 or 5.

You just need to hope they don't put BQ in... :rofl:

jhns
09-15-2011, 11:54 PM
. There's little from this offseason, be it from preseason games or media reporting, that points to anything other than Tebow being 3rd string right now.

You have to be joking about the preseason games. Little? Do you have eyes?

Crow
09-16-2011, 12:06 AM
You have to be joking about the preseason games. Little? Do you have eyes?

Yeah. They channeled images to my brain of Tebow getting mop up duty, which I thought was a pretty clear indication that the coaching staff had seen all they needed to see.

What did I miss?

jhns
09-16-2011, 12:09 AM
Yeah. They channeled images to my brain of Tebow getting mop up duty, which I thought was a pretty clear indication that the coaching staff had seen all they needed to see.

What did I miss?

If you say he is 3, you missed the games. Period. This means you aren't qualified to discuss this.

Agamemnon
09-16-2011, 12:11 AM
See... the problem is, all you tebow fanatics are the same. You don't know a darn thing about football you just know you want to see your guy play... Period.

The kid showed up to run an NFL team and didn't look like he knew what he was doing. He blew it. So to start the season we get KO. Thats nobodys fault but Tebows. Blame him and stop looking for a conspiracy theory.

Now here is the bright side, with the way things are going Orton will most likely play himself out of a job by week 4 or 5.

You just need to hope they don't put BQ in... :rofl:

Cool story. The problem is that when he actually played and the rest of us could see him, he looked pretty good. Raw? Sure. But nothing like you and other drones were going on about. Not even close. So yeah, we don't care about what you saw or didn't see at camp, because when he was actually playing and people were trying to take his head off, he put up a QB rating of 109.

TheDave
09-16-2011, 12:23 AM
Cool story. The problem is that when he actually played and the rest of us could see him, he looked pretty good. Raw? Sure. But nothing like you and other drones were going on about. Not even close. So yeah, we don't care about what you saw or didn't see at camp, because when he was actually playing and people were trying to take his head off, he put up a QB rating of 109.

Yep... its all a conspiracy.

Fox and Elway both know he is the real deal but they won't play him. The one thing that would imediately win the fan base and help the teams win more games (according to tebow fans), but they refuse to do it. As a matter of fact they are willing to risk their jobs and reputations by making a highly controversial move of making him 3rd string, even though his obvious talent and performance merit better (according to tebow fans).

Like I said, what ever you say MacGrubber

Nwp-Apap
09-16-2011, 12:46 AM
Actually I was at camp 3 different times and that is exactly what I saw as well.



How is that baseless... I thought this was common knowledge.

I as so attended training camp this year a handful of times, 7 to be exact, and I can comfortably say that Orton was not as head and shoulders above Tebow as many like to say.

Of course, Orton is going to look somewhat better than Tim in these non contact drills. He would also look better than Micheal Vick in the same drills, and who of those two do you think is the better player?

These practices included no contact on the QB, and the defense hardly trying to sack the QB. This benefits Orton. In the real games, however, especially on a team such as the Broncos with a young and struggling OL, you're not going to get a clean pocket to sit and pick apart a defense from. You're going to have defenders come at you from all angles, you're going to have your OL pushed into your face. When all this happens, it creates pressure, and Orton hardly has nerves of steel.

Tebow, however, IMO, would have more success on this team than Orton has had, if not just for the sole fact that he has a certain amount of mobility that would turn a would be sack from Orton, into perhaps something positive.

Furthermore, everyone tries to discount what we saw from Tebow in the last 3 games of 2010, and I don't know why..

SoCalBronco
09-16-2011, 01:05 AM
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Agamemnon
09-16-2011, 01:17 AM
Yep... its all a conspiracy.

Fox and Elway both know he is the real deal but they won't play him. The one thing that would imediately win the fan base and help the teams win more games (according to tebow fans), but they refuse to do it. As a matter of fact they are willing to risk their jobs and reputations by making a highly controversial move of making him 3rd string, even though his obvious talent and performance merit better (according to tebow fans).

Like I said, what ever you say MacGrubber

What the **** are you talking about? None of that had anything to do with what I said. Hilarious!

Agamemnon
09-16-2011, 01:23 AM
I as so attended training camp this year a handful of times, 7 to be exact, and I can comfortably say that Orton was not as head and shoulders above Tebow as many like to say.

Of course, Orton is going to look somewhat better than Tim in these non contact drills. He would also look better than Micheal Vick in the same drills, and who of those two do you think is the better player?

These practices included no contact on the QB, and the defense hardly trying to sack the QB. This benefits Orton. In the real games, however, especially on a team such as the Broncos with a young and struggling OL, you're not going to get a clean pocket to sit and pick apart a defense from. You're going to have defenders come at you from all angles, you're going to have your OL pushed into your face. When all this happens, it creates pressure, and Orton hardly has nerves of steel.

Tebow, however, IMO, would have more success on this team than Orton has had, if not just for the sole fact that he has a certain amount of mobility that would turn a would be sack from Orton, into perhaps something positive.

Furthermore, everyone tries to discount what we saw from Tebow in the last 3 games of 2010, and I don't know why..

You're wasting your time. TheDave went to camp a time or two and now he's an expert on the topic of Orton vs. Tebow. There is only one correct interpretation of what happened there. His. ::)

This is why I told him no one cares. Because we really don't. He's just an anti-Tebow guy that tries to pretend he's objective.

Crow
09-16-2011, 01:53 AM
If you say he is 3, you missed the games. Period. This means you aren't qualified to discuss this.

I guess the coaching staff isn't either...

Rolandftw
09-16-2011, 02:34 AM
http://ozsoapbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/tin-foil-hat-man.jpg

Nuff said.

vancejohnson82
09-16-2011, 02:40 AM
i see the usual crew is here

Blueflame
09-16-2011, 06:50 AM
I mean really...shouldn't they just be covering the story instead of constantly trying to tell Broncos fans (who passionately view every game and understand much more about the intricacies of Broncos football than anyone at ESPiN) how to think? Do they think that Broncos fans are really stupid enough to read another shallow, unisightful article about Tebow and finally be convinced of how unequivocally right that the all-seeing, all-knowing hacks at ESPiN think that they are?

These articles are hilarious. A cursory glance at these things show that the authors havent even a surface understanding of the issues in Denver, yet they play the expert and then talk down to Broncos Fan like a politician telling a constituent to pipe down and take what they're given.

Here's the latest example: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6974381/tim-tebow-thanks-fans-support-says-wait-turn-complaint

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and venture the guess that we Broncos fans posting here on the Mane do NOT "understand much more about the intricacies of Broncos football" than Mark Schlereth... or Tom Jackson either.

Kaylore
09-16-2011, 06:58 AM
I'm not sure I understand your complaint. The article seemed unbiased.


I agree. I had no problem with this. I liked Fox's comments about how he likes the Fan's passion.

alkemical
09-16-2011, 07:10 AM
LOL @ some of the comments:

madbadgerz
I'm a Tebow fan, but I'm fine with him waiting on the sidelines. I like that he's staying classy and not being a whiner about it. There's been plenty of 1st round QBs that had to wait their turn on the sideline, and it probably helped their career in the long run.

idontcare1185
Wow. i feel bad for Tebow. Idiot fans putting this man in an awkward place with his teammates over first 2 1/2 quarters of the football season.

TonyR
09-16-2011, 08:01 AM
TheDave went to camp a time or two and now he's an expert on the topic of Orton vs. Tebow.

If TheDave was the only person who went to camp and saw what he saw you'd have a point. But a dozen or so professional journalists, some of them former players, have reported they saw the same thing. What makes more sense: them all conspiring to say the same thing or them all actually reporting what they saw? I'll let you sort that one out...

I should add that either way I would like to see Tebow start.

DrFate
09-16-2011, 08:18 AM
When did 'reading coverage' and 'running the offense in practice' mean more than winning games? (referring to the Mangini comments)

DenverBrit
09-16-2011, 08:23 AM
I agree. I had no problem with this. I liked Fox's comments about how he likes the Fan's passion.

There's nothing wrong with the piece, it's just more unnecessary 'drama' here.

TonyR
09-16-2011, 08:33 AM
There's nothing wrong with the piece, it's just more unnecessary 'drama' here.

The ESPN hate always makes me chuckle. Being the biggest and the best invites a lot of criticism. And people seem to spend an awful lot of time watching and reading that which they claim they hate so much...

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-16-2011, 08:34 AM
It was just a post.

There's no such thing as "Tebowmania" either but people will argue it all day.


You're entitled to your opinion though. Nothing wrong with that.


Matter of fact, I'm going to delete it. I wasn't trying to hijack the thread.

There's no Tebowmania? Really? Is that why he had a memoir on the NYT Bestseller list at the ripe old age of 24?

Is that why he went on a book tour this off season?

No Tebowmania. Hahahahahahaha. I take it back, swaiy, you ARE funny.

DenverBrit
09-16-2011, 08:40 AM
The ESPN hate always makes me chuckle. Being the biggest and the best invites a lot of criticism. And people seem to spend an awful lot of time watching and reading that which they claim they hate so much...

The ESPN hate, the Fox hate, the Elway hate, the Bowlen hate.

Not much room left under that bus.

alkemical
09-16-2011, 08:45 AM
You know why ESPN is doing this....

Communism. that's why. That's their goal. You see, you need to declare war on christians, and coloradoians. Don't you get it... MILE HIGH! The Church of the NWO resides there.

Tebow, will be sacrificed to the gods of communism....

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSR8LcGI-tyrqhF4wUuP4_LjLRkvC57jGBgLda-ID0pPJAxrNZM

bowtown
09-16-2011, 08:46 AM
http://ozsoapbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/tin-foil-hat-man.jpg

Nuff said.

My favorite unintentionally hilarious post in awhile.

bowtown
09-16-2011, 08:47 AM
The ESPN hate, the Fox hate, the Elway hate, the Bowlen hate.

Not much room left under that bus.

Just wait... it will spare no one.

jhns
09-16-2011, 08:48 AM
If TheDave was the only person who went to camp and saw what he saw you'd have a point. But a dozen or so professional journalists, some of them former players, have reported they saw the same thing. What makes more sense: them all conspiring to say the same thing or them all actually reporting what they saw? I'll let you sort that one out...

I should add that either way I would like to see Tebow start.

And there were also mant that said those reporters were wrong. In fact, those reports started after the first camp. They threw like five passes in the first camp...

jhns
09-16-2011, 08:51 AM
I guess the coaching staff isn't either...

Or Fox is horriblr at dvaluating QBs, as proven by his history... Also, Tebow isn't third on the depth chart. In other words, you are an idiot. There is no way you can watch preseason and say Quinn was better. Again, this means you aren't qualified to discuss this.

Smiling Assassin27
09-16-2011, 08:56 AM
At this point, it seems like the consensus thought process is 'anybody but Orton'. Speaking for myself, I'm cool with Tebow sitting another entire year, knowing that guys like Palmer, Rodgers, et al sat and were better for it.

Orton, however, is a different story. He's 9 years in and is what he is--ineffective on 3rd downs, incapable in the face of a rush, immobile, and just a guy. He's a detriment to a team that is in rebuild mode but we all know he isn't the guy Elway wants at qb. He's much like a David Garrard in that he's inconsistent but shows enough to start. Now JAX just ended their Garrard experience and will probably win 4 games with McCown when they could've won 9 with Garrard. If we cut Orton, we may win 2, but if Orton is just keeping the qb seat warm, what's the point of keeping him around?

Maybe the point is that the Denver FO must show some commitment to its current players (and fans?)that they haven't written off this season, and that message is better presented with Orton at qb. Plus, we're paying the dude 9mil. I don't know what the cap implications would be in cutting Orton, anyone?

This is a grin and bear it year, folks. The rebuild continues but it's gonna be painful during this time, with little in the cupboard at the skill positions. 4-12 doesn't taste good, but the team seems to be asking us to look long term. As a season ticket holder, I'm not saying their right, just that they seem to be conveying this.

bowtown
09-16-2011, 09:00 AM
At this point, it seems like the consensus thought process is 'anybody but Orton'. Speaking for myself, I'm cool with Tebow sitting another entire year, knowing that guys like Palmer, Rodgers, et al sat and were better for it.

Orton, however, is a different story. He's 9 years in and is what he is--ineffective on 3rd downs, incapable in the face of a rush, immobile, and just a guy. He's a detriment to a team that is in rebuild mode but we all know he isn't the guy Elway wants at qb. He's much like a David Garrard in that he's inconsistent but shows enough to start. Now JAX just ended their Garrard experience and will probably win 4 games with McCown when they could've won 9 with Garrard. If we cut Orton, we may win 2, but if Orton is just keeping the qb seat warm, what's the point of keeping him around?

Maybe the point is that the Denver FO must show some commitment to its current players (and fans?)that they haven't written off this season, and that message is better presented with Orton at qb. Plus, we're paying the dude 9mil. I don't know what the cap implications would be in cutting Orton, anyone?

This is a grin and bear it year, folks. The rebuild continues but it's gonna be painful during this time, with little in the cupboard at the skill positions. 4-12 doesn't taste good, but the team seems to be asking us to look long term. As a season ticket holder, I'm not saying their right, just that they seem to be conveying this.

Sorry, the consensus is NOT anyone but Orton. If the FO went out and picked up a Gerrard or a Palmer tomorrow and started him over Tebow, this place would melt down. Heaven forbid we start Quinn over him. It would at least be as bad as it is right now. Until Tebow gets put in the game and takes us to the Superbowl or finally gets cut, nothing but carnage will follow.

TheReverend
09-16-2011, 09:30 AM
i see the usual crew is here

I didn't even post yet :(

TheReverend
09-16-2011, 09:31 AM
Sorry, the consensus is NOT anyone but Orton. If the FO went out and picked up a Gerrard or a Palmer tomorrow and started him over Tebow, this place would melt down. Heaven forbid we start Quinn over him. It would at least be as bad as it is right now. Until Tebow gets put in the game and takes us to the Superbowl or finally gets cut, nothing but carnage will follow.

I could live with Carson

~Crash~
09-16-2011, 09:32 AM
NFL.net is my info.they do need more tape break down by coaches but NFL.net is the only place to get your news

DrFate
09-16-2011, 09:32 AM
Sorry, the consensus is NOT anyone but Orton.

wrong

If the FO went out and picked up a Gerrard or a Palmer tomorrow and started him over Tebow, this place would melt down.

also wrong

alkemical
09-16-2011, 09:32 AM
I could live with Carson

Carson's an upgrade over what we have. Too bad he played in Cincy for so long.

bowtown
09-16-2011, 09:33 AM
I could live with Carson

I think you would be an exception.

AlphaSeirra
09-16-2011, 09:37 AM
I mean really...shouldn't they just be covering the story instead of constantly trying to tell Broncos fans (who passionately view every game and understand much more about the intricacies of Broncos football than anyone at ESPiN) how to think? Do they think that Broncos fans are really stupid enough to read another shallow, unisightful article about Tebow and finally be convinced of how unequivocally right that the all-seeing, all-knowing hacks at ESPiN think that they are?

These articles are hilarious. A cursory glance at these things show that the authors havent even a surface understanding of the issues in Denver, yet they play the expert and then talk down to Broncos Fan like a politician telling a constituent to pipe down and take what they're given.

Here's the latest example: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6974381/tim-tebow-thanks-fans-support-says-wait-turn-complaint

I didn't bother with that ESPN article, only because The Sporting News board had the 'exact' same thing posted on their site.
(wonder which is the original?)

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-09-15/tim-tebow-to-fans-who-want-him-to-start-thanks-but-im-good

Questions:

1. Are the media morons Liars, or are they really that Ignorant/Stupid after all?

2. Is the Bronco front office/staff, to dumb, to scared, or just to cheap to start, play, and grow with a lifetime winner like Tebow?

Pick Six
09-16-2011, 09:57 AM
Atleast we found out who the 1 person is that watches ESPN... I quit listening to anything on the channel that has anything to do with their so called "Experts" aka bobble heads years ago.

I wish more people would take that advice. It's their job to stir up controversy, for the sake of ratings. I'd like to think that they don't even believe half the things they say on the air...

rugbythug
09-16-2011, 10:06 AM
If I want a qb to spray the ball all over the field, misread defense, skip in passes, lock on brandon Lloyd, and be terrible I want the one with hope of getting better.

Chris
09-16-2011, 10:40 AM
ESPN is the reason a lot of people think spectator sports are stupid.

PRBronco
09-16-2011, 10:44 AM
If I want a qb to spray the ball all over the field, misread defense, skip in passes, lock on brandon Lloyd, and be terrible I want the one with hope of getting better.

And the one who keeps defenses honest with the threat to run!

Archer81
09-16-2011, 10:47 AM
I stopped watching ESPN awhile ago. There was a time (back in HS) where after Gargoyles I would watch ESPN before I had to head down to the bus. Then I became an adult and I put away childish things. (Except for Gargoyles...that and Xmen. I'd watch either now.)


:Broncos:

alkemical
09-16-2011, 10:48 AM
ESPN is the reason a lot of people think spectator sports are stupid.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQPIYE1Bv76vbkHBRCg-HTR2Q11NYn67it0eeImifdcdo7GyPje

Dedhed
09-16-2011, 10:51 AM
Well they get tools to post it on our message boards over and over again so I would say at least part of what they are doing is working.
You make a good point; it's working. The truth doesn't matter if the lies are working.

"The Failing Golden Boy" sells more than "Golden Boy Continues Success." It's that simple. The media will ride that vein until Tebow gets the chance to make them look dumb; and he will, eventually.

Tombstone RJ
09-16-2011, 11:07 AM
I mean really...shouldn't they just be covering the story instead of constantly trying to tell Broncos fans (who passionately view every game and understand much more about the intricacies of Broncos football than anyone at ESPiN) how to think? Do they think that Broncos fans are really stupid enough to read another shallow, unisightful article about Tebow and finally be convinced of how unequivocally right that the all-seeing, all-knowing hacks at ESPiN think that they are?

These articles are hilarious. A cursory glance at these things show that the authors havent even a surface understanding of the issues in Denver, yet they play the expert and then talk down to Broncos Fan like a politician telling a constituent to pipe down and take what they're given.

Here's the latest example: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6974381/tim-tebow-thanks-fans-support-says-wait-turn-complaint

I was listen to essspin radio yesterday and the afternoon radio hack got wind of the Orton billboard and he started making stupid comments about how silly the Broncos fans are who are doing this.

Then he said something that illustrates just how incredibly stupid he is. He said something like this "it's only been one game." No it hasn't you idiot. Orton has been starting for the Broncos for the past two seasons. It has not been "one game" its been 2 seasons and the beginning of a 3rd.

I really can't stand essssspin because they are ironically ignorant in their comments.

bowtown
09-16-2011, 11:08 AM
I stopped watching ESPN awhile ago. There was a time (back in HS) where after Gargoyles I would watch ESPN before I had to head down to the bus. Then I became an adult and I put away childish things. (Except for Gargoyles...that and Xmen. I'd watch either now.)


:Broncos:

Note to self:

Look into Gargoyles... think it might be turning kids gay.

DBroncos4life
09-16-2011, 11:09 AM
You make a good point; it's working. The truth doesn't matter if the lies are working.

"The Failing Golden Boy" sells more than "Golden Boy Continues Success." It's that simple. The media will ride that vein until Tebow gets the chance to make them look dumb; and he will, eventually.

What doesn't get talked about is this is the same media that claimed McD would ruin the football team and set us back 5 years by trading Cutler. Fans here went on to say those that agree with them are fools. A few years later they were pretty much spot on. (I disagree with them on Tebow)

I was force fed on this board about how Orton was a winner and how he didn't turn the ball over in the RZ like Cutler. What a crock of **** that was. To be perfectly honest I'm shocked that Orton has lasted this long in Denver. Two years of him is all I ever expected as a member of the Broncos.

As for Tebow I wanted McD to draft him at the same time I knew he would take time to develop. Tebow will get his chance yet again to prove how well he can play in the NFL and he will succeed yet again. Till then I will still cheer for the Broncos to win regardless of who is behind center.

Archer81
09-16-2011, 11:11 AM
Note to self:

Look into Gargoyles... think it might be turning kids gay.


I also watched He-man when I was younger. My money would be on the dude who rides a tiger in his underwear and uses an oversized phallic symbol as a weapon.

Just my .02, of course.


:Broncos:

bowtown
09-16-2011, 11:15 AM
I also watched He-man when I was younger. My money would be on the dude who rides a tiger in his underwear and uses an oversized phallic symbol as a weapon.

Just my .02, of course.


:Broncos:

Watch your mouth, sister. He-man is nothing but good pure heterosexual entertainment.

alkemical
09-16-2011, 11:16 AM
I also watched He-man when I was younger. My money would be on the dude who rides a tiger in his underwear and uses an oversized phallic symbol as a weapon.

Just my .02, of course.


:Broncos:

What exactly is "gray-skull"????

Archer81
09-16-2011, 11:17 AM
Watch your mouth, sister. He-man is nothing but good pure heterosexual entertainment.


He-man is not gay, but his boyfriend certainly is.


:Broncos:

maher_tyler
09-16-2011, 11:19 AM
Or Fox is horriblr at dvaluating QBs, as proven by his history... Also, Tebow isn't third on the depth chart. In other words, you are an idiot. There is no way you can watch preseason and say Quinn was better. Again, this means you aren't qualified to discuss this.

I was at the AZ game. Quinn did not take the offense past the 50. He will do just as bad if not worse than Orton! Tebow played much better and had a nice TD pass to i think Willis which was right on the money. I don't understand how everyone can say Tebow is worse than the other two. He played against and with 2nd/3rd stringers. I'm willing to bet we have close to the worst depth in the league.

Also, i to think pretty much everyone at ESPN is retarded when i comes to the Orton/Tebow debate. They never consider his Win to loss ratio. His pathetic pocket awearness. Throws into double coverage. But they will sit and say how "while he was driving for a TD, the fans were chanting for Tebow" ****ing idiots! If they were actually watching the game..he threw a INT that ended up being 3 points and the boneheaded fumble, killing momentum and leading to a TD. Funny how they forget facts like that. Idtiots!!

NFLBRONCO
09-16-2011, 11:23 AM
I'd love to see FO trade Tebow and see fanbase reaction after that happened.

Tombstone RJ
09-16-2011, 11:34 AM
I'd love to see FO trade Tebow and see fanbase reaction after that happened.

a lot would depend on what the Broncos got in return. If you trade him for a sack of potatos then yah, there would be some unhappy fans.

WolfpackGuy
09-16-2011, 11:39 AM
I'd love to see FO trade Tebow and see fanbase reaction after that happened.

Well, it would certainly throw up the "Sucking for Luck" flag!

vonqkilla
09-16-2011, 11:45 AM
Tebow link on sunday espn.

http://t.co/TbiyVKop

Lindsay jones just posted

” if u dont have jesus, you are spending eternity in hell”

Lol, with all the buddhists, and greeks, and native americans, and babies.... Lol

DrFate
09-16-2011, 11:46 AM
a lot would depend on what the Broncos got in return. If you trade him for a sack of potatos then yah, there would be some unhappy fans.

It would remove the current distraction, which I think would be better for the team. If they have no intent on giving Tebow the chance to play, he really serves no purpose being on the team.

TheDave
09-16-2011, 12:14 PM
When I started posting again, I swore that the only way to survive this place would be to ignore any and everyone who spent the last 2 years defending McD. Anyone who can drink that much kool-aid that quickly can't be trusted.

It looks like I'm going to have to add tebow fans to the list...

FWIW... I got a rep comment that sums it up best.

"It's like those "sports parents" at kids games."

Archer81
09-16-2011, 12:17 PM
Tebow link on sunday espn.

http://t.co/TbiyVKop

Lindsay jones just posted

” if u dont have jesus, you are spending eternity in hell”

Lol, with all the buddhists, and greeks, and native americans, and babies.... Lol


Uhh...ok?


:Broncos:

alkemical
09-16-2011, 12:17 PM
When I started posting again, I swore that the only way to survive this place would be to ignore any and everyone who spent the last 2 years defending McD. Anyone who can drink that much kool-aid that quickly can't be trusted.

It looks like I'm going to have to add tebow fans to the list...

FWIW... I got a rep comment that sums it up best.

"It's like those "sports parents" at kids games."

QFT

alkemical
09-16-2011, 12:17 PM
Uhh...ok?


:Broncos:

She gives grayskull.

TheReverend
09-16-2011, 12:20 PM
What exactly is "gray-skull"????

Next time you're in town I'll show you.

alkemical
09-16-2011, 12:22 PM
Next time you're in town I'll show you.

If it doesn't involve ****ing a dead hookers eye socket...i'm not in.

TheDave
09-16-2011, 12:23 PM
and one more FWIW...

I would rather watch tebow play myself. Problem is he didn't earn it, so now we have to wait for Orton to play himself out of the position.

Give it a couple of weeks folks, Pathetic offensive lines and statue QB's don't last long.

TheReverend
09-16-2011, 12:25 PM
If it doesn't involve ****ing a dead hookers eye socket...i'm not in.

Then you're in?

TheReverend
09-16-2011, 12:26 PM
and one more FWIW...

I would rather watch tebow play myself. Problem is he didn't earn it, so now we have to wait for Orton to play himself out of the position.

Give it a couple of weeks folks, Pathetic offensive lines and statue QB's don't last long.

Can you name a QB that could've done worse in his last few games than Orton?

Any?

I might even let you hit college div 2 ranks to try and find one.

NFLBRONCO
09-16-2011, 12:28 PM
I think next 2 weeks will tell us alot. I'd expect us at best to go 2-2 in the next 4 games but, we'll see.

TheDave
09-16-2011, 12:28 PM
Can you name a QB that could've done worse in his last few games than Orton?

Any?

I might even let you hit college div 2 ranks to try and find one.

Tebow... (sorry that was just 2 easy)

TailgateNut
09-16-2011, 12:29 PM
Uhh...ok?


:Broncos:

That's Timmy! Ya either love his God or YOU'RE GOING TO HELL

TheReverend
09-16-2011, 12:29 PM
Tebow... (sorry that was just 2 easy)

Okay. Show me one game where's he played even half as poorly.

Tombstone RJ
09-16-2011, 12:31 PM
That's Timmy! Ya either love his God or YOU'RE GOING TO HELL

sounds like you're already there brosef. need a beer?

TailgateNut
09-16-2011, 12:34 PM
a lot would depend on what the Broncos got in return. If you trade him for a sack of potatos then yah, there would be some unhappy fans.

Two sacks and a beef roast would be a fair trade.

alkemical
09-16-2011, 12:34 PM
Then you're in?

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcScPHapYJY4wsU52anEN0_Yjuxo29xS3 Hfk9vDR8mRV_AlMLBiZ

rugbythug
09-16-2011, 12:39 PM
That's Timmy! Ya either love his God or YOU'RE GOING TO HELL

So you have started reading the bible. Why would you care if you are sure it is wrong?

TheDave
09-16-2011, 12:39 PM
Okay. Show me one game where's he played even half as poorly.

Rev... relax.


He will get his chance again, just be patient. Everyone said he was a project and unfortunately everyone who gets paid to do this job seems to agree.

Take a breath and let it play out, Barring injury this could take until the bye week.

Jason in LA
09-16-2011, 12:45 PM
The ESPN guys are getting annoying. They are really in support of Orton, with his 4-19 record over the last 23 games. They never seem to acknowledge that. At what point are they going to stop saying that he gives the Broncos the best chance to win when it is clear that he doesn't give the Broncos much of a chance to win at all.

They are passing the blame. Yesterday they pointed out that the defense is the problem (which is a true statement), and that Orton was driving the Broncos down the field for a TD to bring them within three points in the 4th quarter while the defense was blowing the game. But they failed to point out that Orton stunk for every drive outside of that one. The offense only produced 10 points, and if I'm remembering right, the long field goal drive, the Raiders committed a few penalties that helped the Broncos get down the field.

Just because the defense blows doesn't mean that blame should be shifted away from Orton. He should share in the blame.

TailgateNut
09-16-2011, 12:56 PM
So you have started reading the bible. Why would you care if you are sure it is wrong?


No I stopped reading it over 3-1/2 decades ago. That was a Quote from Supermans' mouth.

DBroncos4life
09-16-2011, 12:59 PM
Can you name a QB that could've done worse in his last few games than Orton?

Any?

I might even let you hit college div 2 ranks to try and find one.

McNabb

KO5K
09-16-2011, 01:12 PM
No I stopped reading it over 3-1/2 decades ago. That was a Quote from Supermans' mouth.

Said to a bunch of fellow Jesus lovers, Nn need to get your panties in a twist dip****.

TailgateNut
09-16-2011, 01:20 PM
Said to a bunch of fellow Jesus lovers, Nn need to get your panties in a twist dip****.


Says another cultist.:rofl:

AlphaSeirra
09-16-2011, 01:25 PM
Tebow hasn't Freakin' EARNED IT YET, did someone say? WTF???


2010 Rookie QB Passer Ratings:
1. Tebow -- 82.1 - 5 TD's to 3 Ints, Ratio 1.64 to 1. (3 starts, 5 TD's)

2. Bradford 76.5 - 18 TD's to 15 Int's, Ratio 1.2 to 1.
3. McCoy - 74.5 - 6 TD's to 9 Int's, Ratio .64 to 1.
4. Fox's Clausen 58.4 - 3 TD's to 9 Int's, Ratio .33 to 1. (10 starts, 3 TD's)
* Quinn - 56.8 in his rookie year 07 - only a 66.8 for his 3 yr NFL career.


PLUS Tim's rookie rushing stats were more productive than the Buc's All Pro FB Mike Alstott, setting both NFL and Bronco team records.

==============


The Actual 2011 Preseason Bronco QB stats and RATINGS:

3. Brady Quinn - 22 of 42 (52.4%) for 276 yds (6.6 ypa) 2 TD's, 2 Ints, Long 26 yds, QB Rating 69.1

2. Kyle Orton - 28 of 42 (66.7%) for 408 yds, (9.7 ypa) 2 TD's, 1 Int, Long 42 yds, QB Rating 104.1

1. Tim Tebow - 20 of 31 (64.5%) for 310 yds, (10.0 ypa) 1 TD, 0 Int, Long 43 yds, QB Rating 108.3 <---<<<


Plus, that's before you add in his 8, 2011 preseason carries for 56 yds, 6.9 ypc, Long 19 yds.

Please note that Tim continues leading ALL Bronco runners in Yards per Carry.

Orton's W/L is now 11-18 (28%) in his last 29 games as the Broncos' starter,,, and the % continues to fall.

In Orton's 1st Reg. season game he went 24-of-46 (52.2%) for 304 yards and 1 TD, 1 Int, 1 fumble, and 5 sacks against the Raiders.
* Sack Note: In the final 3 games of last season, Tebow was only sacked a total of 6 times for 4.25 yds/sack.


In Denver's last preseason game, Tim went 7 of 11 (63.5%) for 116 yds, 16.5 ypr while scoring Denver's ONLY TD.

Hasn't earned it my-azz..... LOL

alkemical
09-16-2011, 01:26 PM
Tebow hasn't Freakin' EARNED IT YET, did someone say? WTF???


2010 Rookie QB Passer Ratings:
1. Tebow -- 82.1 - 5 TD's to 3 Ints, Ratio 1.64 to 1. (3 starts, 5 TD's)

2. Bradford 76.5 - 18 TD's to 15 Int's, Ratio 1.2 to 1.
3. McCoy - 74.5 - 6 TD's to 9 Int's, Ratio .64 to 1.
4. Fox's Clausen 58.4 - 3 TD's to 9 Int's, Ratio .33 to 1. (10 starts, 3 TD's)
* Quinn - 56.8 in his rookie year 07 - only a 66.8 for his 3 yr NFL career.


PLUS Tim's rookie rushing stats were more productive than the Buc's All Pro FB Mike Alstott, setting both NFL and Bronco team records.

==============


The Actual 2011 Preseason Bronco QB stats and RATINGS:

3. Brady Quinn - 22 of 42 (52.4%) for 276 yds (6.6 ypa) 2 TD's, 2 Ints, Long 26 yds, QB Rating 69.1

2. Kyle Orton - 28 of 42 (66.7%) for 408 yds, (9.7 ypa) 2 TD's, 1 Int, Long 42 yds, QB Rating 104.1

1. Tim Tebow - 20 of 31 (64.5%) for 310 yds, (10.0 ypa) 1 TD, 0 Int, Long 43 yds, QB Rating 108.3 <---<<<


Plus, that's before you add in his 8, 2011 preseason carries for 56 yds, 6.9 ypc, Long 19 yds.

Please note that Tim continues leading ALL Bronco runners in Yards per Carry.

Orton's W/L is now 11-18 (28%) in his last 29 games as the Broncos' starter,,, and the % continues to fall.

In Orton's 1st Reg. season game he went 24-of-46 (52.2%) for 304 yards and 1 TD, 1 Int, 1 fumble, and 5 sacks against the Raiders.
* Sack Note: In the final 3 games of last season, Tebow was only sacked a total of 6 times for 4.25 yds/sack.


In Denver's last preseason game, Tim went 7 of 11 (63.5%) for 116 yds, 16.5 ypr while scoring Denver's ONLY TD.

Hasn't earned it my-azz..... LOL

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTIDFiYUFfLqhgHlld0vhdlsU4rBDArH 19WKGdOhFErY_P_kqmoJg

rugbythug
09-16-2011, 01:31 PM
No I stopped reading it over 3-1/2 decades ago. That was a Quote from Supermans' mouth.

I see your reading compression was very poor.

TheReverend
09-16-2011, 02:35 PM
Rev... relax.

He will get his chance again, just be patient. Everyone said he was a project and unfortunately everyone who gets paid to do this job seems to agree.

Take a breath and let it play out, Barring injury this could take until the bye week.

Okay, so you decided to go with "I'm not answering that" approach?

Also, your middle paragraph is very Popps/tsiguy-esque. Congrats :thumbsup:

McNabb

^5 Now there's a response

TailgateNut
09-16-2011, 02:38 PM
I see your reading compression was very poor.


:~ohyah!: My "compression" was poor.????????

Jason in LA
09-16-2011, 02:49 PM
:~ohyah!: My "compression" was poor.????????

That's pretty funny. lol

vancejohnson82
09-16-2011, 02:51 PM
Tebow hasn't Freakin' EARNED IT YET, did someone say? WTF???


2010 Rookie QB Passer Ratings:
1. Tebow -- 82.1 - 5 TD's to 3 Ints, Ratio 1.64 to 1. (3 starts, 5 TD's)

2. Bradford 76.5 - 18 TD's to 15 Int's, Ratio 1.2 to 1.
3. McCoy - 74.5 - 6 TD's to 9 Int's, Ratio .64 to 1.
4. Fox's Clausen 58.4 - 3 TD's to 9 Int's, Ratio .33 to 1. (10 starts, 3 TD's)
* Quinn - 56.8 in his rookie year 07 - only a 66.8 for his 3 yr NFL career.


PLUS Tim's rookie rushing stats were more productive than the Buc's All Pro FB Mike Alstott, setting both NFL and Bronco team records.

==============


The Actual 2011 Preseason Bronco QB stats and RATINGS:

3. Brady Quinn - 22 of 42 (52.4%) for 276 yds (6.6 ypa) 2 TD's, 2 Ints, Long 26 yds, QB Rating 69.1

2. Kyle Orton - 28 of 42 (66.7%) for 408 yds, (9.7 ypa) 2 TD's, 1 Int, Long 42 yds, QB Rating 104.1

1. Tim Tebow - 20 of 31 (64.5%) for 310 yds, (10.0 ypa) 1 TD, 0 Int, Long 43 yds, QB Rating 108.3 <---<<<


Plus, that's before you add in his 8, 2011 preseason carries for 56 yds, 6.9 ypc, Long 19 yds.

Please note that Tim continues leading ALL Bronco runners in Yards per Carry.

Orton's W/L is now 11-18 (28%) in his last 29 games as the Broncos' starter,,, and the % continues to fall.

In Orton's 1st Reg. season game he went 24-of-46 (52.2%) for 304 yards and 1 TD, 1 Int, 1 fumble, and 5 sacks against the Raiders.
* Sack Note: In the final 3 games of last season, Tebow was only sacked a total of 6 times for 4.25 yds/sack.


In Denver's last preseason game, Tim went 7 of 11 (63.5%) for 116 yds, 16.5 ypr while scoring Denver's ONLY TD.

Hasn't earned it my-azz..... LOL

Hey MacGruder...stop throwing this pretty little rant into EVERY SINGLE thread

TheDave
09-16-2011, 02:54 PM
Okay, so you decided to go with "I'm not answering that" approach?

Also, your middle paragraph is very Popps/tsiguy-esque. Congrats :thumbsup:



I've already answered all there is to answer. He is 3rd string and I agree with that. I'm not going to waste a bunch of time arguing stats. I know what I saw and the gang at dove valley agrees with me. Now if EFX turns out to be McD stupid then yes I'm going to look just as dumb as those two.

But their is one significant difference... I went to camp, formed my opinion and stated it here several weeks before the depth chart agreed with me. Team McD's was completely incapable of forming their own opinions.

Back to tebow...The kid failed to earn the job and Orton was given the start. Now, whether Team Tebow likes it or not Orton is going to be given a chance to lose the job. Depending how things work out that could take a couple of weeks. So instead of bitching all day every day about a 3rd string QB maybe... just maybe, we could let this play out for a few games.

TheDave
09-16-2011, 02:55 PM
Tebow hasn't Freakin' EARNED IT YET, did someone say? WTF???........






AlphaSeirra
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Rural N.Florida
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Adopt-a-Bronco:
Tebow


Tim?

crawdad
09-16-2011, 02:58 PM
Tim?

LMAO! :rofl:

Shananahan
09-16-2011, 03:00 PM
Can you name a QB that could've done worse in his last few games than Orton?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v296/Macgregor/nflmcnabbhay_medium.gif

Shananahan
09-16-2011, 03:01 PM
Damn, DBroncos4life beat me to it.

I'm always looking for a reason to post that .gif.

epicSocialism4tw
09-16-2011, 03:06 PM
Hey MacGruder...stop throwing this pretty little rant into EVERY SINGLE thread

Its tough to argue those statistics.

TheDave
09-16-2011, 03:14 PM
Just for ****s and grins... Lets look at Ortons/Tebows last game


Orton v. Oakland = 24/46 304yrds 52.2% 1td 1 int 71.3 QB rating

Tebow v. SD = 16/36 205yrds 44.4% 2td's 2int's 58.2 QB rating


So like I said before, Tebow couls and has played worse than Orton.

epicSocialism4tw
09-16-2011, 03:14 PM
The ESPN guys are getting annoying. They are really in support of Orton, with his 4-19 record over the last 23 games. They never seem to acknowledge that. At what point are they going to stop saying that he gives the Broncos the best chance to win when it is clear that he doesn't give the Broncos much of a chance to win at all.

They are passing the blame. Yesterday they pointed out that the defense is the problem (which is a true statement), and that Orton was driving the Broncos down the field for a TD to bring them within three points in the 4th quarter while the defense was blowing the game. But they failed to point out that Orton stunk for every drive outside of that one. The offense only produced 10 points, and if I'm remembering right, the long field goal drive, the Raiders committed a few penalties that helped the Broncos get down the field.

Just because the defense blows doesn't mean that blame should be shifted away from Orton. He should share in the blame.

We see the same pattern over and over again with Orton and it ends up in losses.

The ESPiN bobble heads don't really understand the situation, but they sure do want to tell Broncos fans what to think.

If these guys would just win some football games, we wouldn't be having this problem. But they aren't. They're giving lip service, but are not producing. The ESPiN bobble heads are telling us the same thing the Denver Post guys (save Woody Paige) and the team are saying. They're demanding that the fans just accept below-mediocrity. It really comes off as idiotic.

The Broncos have had extremely little success over Orton's tenure, and Orton is a huge reason why that is the case.

We're just ready to let him become someone elses problem.

If the Broncos are offended that Broncos fans want their team to win, then the team absolutely needs to be deconstructed and those players need to be sent packing.

epicSocialism4tw
09-16-2011, 03:16 PM
Just for ****s and grins... Lets look at Ortons/Tebows last game


Orton v. Oakland = 24/46 304yrds 52.2% 1td 1 int 71.3 QB rating

Tebow v. SD = 16/36 205yrds 44.4% 2td's 2int's 58.2 QB rating


So like I said before, Tebow couls and has played worse than Orton.

Check out Orton in his game against the team Tebow played against last season.

Tebow has never played worse than that....and Tebow was a rookie playing with a demolished team under an interim coach.

vancejohnson82
09-16-2011, 03:18 PM
Its tough to argue those statistics.

but its a HUGE post that is currently in 5 or 6 threads on the front page

we've discussed in at length multiple times...its just annoying to see it over and over again

epicSocialism4tw
09-16-2011, 03:21 PM
but its a HUGE post that is currently in 5 or 6 threads on the front page

we've discussed in at length multiple times...its just annoying to see it over and over again

Ah, I was not aware.

TheDave
09-16-2011, 03:25 PM
Check out Orton in his game against the team Tebow played against last season.

Tebow has never played worse than that....and Tebow was a rookie playing with a demolished team under an interim coach.

His houston stats were not much better. Sorry but to play QB in this league you need to be around 60%... 50% QB's will not last.

By the way any chance we can get Cutler back? I sure miss having conversations about someone whom I know can play in this league.

epicSocialism4tw
09-16-2011, 03:27 PM
His houston stats were not much better. Sorry but to play QB in this league you need to be around 60%... 50% QB's will not last.

By the way any chance we can get Cutler back? I sure miss having conversations about someone whom I know can play in this league.

Tebow was a rookie last season, and he ended up with an 82 rating, not including his rushing yards and TD's.

You aren't even holding Orton to the standard that you're holding Tebow to.

PRBronco
09-16-2011, 03:39 PM
Just for ****s and grins... Lets look at Ortons/Tebows last game


Orton v. Oakland = 24/46 304yrds 52.2% 1td 1 int 71.3 QB rating

Tebow v. SD = 16/36 205yrds 44.4% 2td's 2int's 58.2 QB rating


So like I said before, Tebow couls and has played worse than Orton.

Remind me again what SD's defense was ranked?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-16-2011, 03:44 PM
Is ESPN a national network?

Why are they so focused on Denver fans?

Oh right. They're not. Because that would be ridiculous.

DBroncos4life
09-16-2011, 03:46 PM
Damn, DBroncos4life beat me to it.

I'm always looking for a reason to post that .gif.

Anyone that thinks we have the worst QB in the NFL should go look at McNuggets stats from last week. 2.6 per pass att? Might as well run Peterson to the ground cause he can run for more yards per rush then McNabb can pass.

TheDave
09-16-2011, 03:47 PM
Remind me again what SD's defense was ranked?

After they were eliminated from the playoffs and were just playing out the stretch... I'll bet the Raiders D was vastly superior on Monday Night.

TheDave
09-16-2011, 03:48 PM
Tebow was a rookie last season, and he ended up with an 82 rating, not including his rushing yards and TD's.

You aren't even holding Orton to the standard that you're holding Tebow to.

So your saying I can't get Cutler back?

PRBronco
09-16-2011, 03:53 PM
After they were eliminated from the playoffs and were just playing out the stretch... I'll bet the Raiders D was vastly superior on Monday Night.

:giggle: I love when people bust out the "yeah but Tebow only played against teams that weren't trying" argument. K bro. :thumbs:

swaiy
09-16-2011, 03:53 PM
His houston stats were not much better. Sorry but to play QB in this league you need to be around 60%... 50% QB's will not last.

By the way any chance we can get Cutler back? I sure miss having conversations about someone whom I know can play in this league.

Hopefully Orton doesn't put up anymore 52.2% completion percentages in a game then. ;)

TheDave
09-16-2011, 03:54 PM
Hopefully Orton doesn't put up anymore 52.2% completion percentages in a game then. ;)

Like I said... they don't last.

If Orton keeps this up he will be riding the pine soon enough.

maher_tyler
09-16-2011, 04:05 PM
Just for ****s and grins... Lets look at Ortons/Tebows last game


Orton v. Oakland = 24/46 304yrds 52.2% 1td 1 int 71.3 QB rating

Tebow v. SD = 16/36 205yrds 44.4% 2td's 2int's 58.2 QB rating


So like I said before, Tebow couls and has played worse than Orton.

Did we even have a coach on the sidelines for that game??

TheDave
09-16-2011, 04:09 PM
Did we even have a coach on the sidelines for that game??

Same Offensive Coordinator we have now.

But, I get it. Any flaws in tebows game will be excused away until he is the starter.

Fine, but it's gonna take a couple more weeks at least.

Blueflame
09-16-2011, 05:35 PM
Can you name a QB that could've done worse in his last few games than Orton?

Any?

I might even let you hit college div 2 ranks to try and find one.

Tarvaris Jackson. Now where's my cookie? :P

RhymesayersDU
09-16-2011, 06:07 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and venture the guess that we Broncos fans posting here on the Mane do NOT "understand much more about the intricacies of Broncos football" than Mark Schlereth... or Tom Jackson either.

I'm glad somebody said this, although I'm not surprised the usual brigade of smarter-than-thou folks chose to ignore it altogether.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people here have ridiculously high opinions of themselves and their football takes. In this other thread, some idiot was going off about how the two guys in the booth during a week 1 game were complete idiots, and how he knew way more than them.

The two in question? Bob Costas and Cris Collinsworth.

Moving on, the ESPN haters are hilarious. If/when the Broncos get good again, all the haters will be glued to it waiting for all the good press.

TonyR
09-16-2011, 06:38 PM
So like I said before, Tebow couls and has played worse than Orton.

Yeah but Tebow runs faster and has bigger biceps...

Agamemnon
09-16-2011, 06:53 PM
Just for ****s and grins... Lets look at Ortons/Tebows last game


Orton v. Oakland = 24/46 304yrds 52.2% 1td 1 int 71.3 QB rating

Tebow v. SD = 16/36 205yrds 44.4% 2td's 2int's 58.2 QB rating


So like I said before, Tebow couls and has played worse than Orton.

One was a rookie, the other a seven year vet. But that doesn't matter right? ::)

Agamemnon
09-16-2011, 06:59 PM
Just for ****s and grins...let's look at Orton's and Tebow's last games last season.


Orton v. Arizona = 19/41 166 yds 46.3% 0 TDs 3 Ints 27.1 QB rating

Tebow v. SD = 16/36 205 yds 44.4% 2 TDs 2 Ints 58.2 QB rating


Stats are fun...

Archer81
09-16-2011, 07:01 PM
Yeah but Tebow runs faster and has bigger biceps...


Orton has biceps?


:Broncos:

Popps
09-16-2011, 07:18 PM
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epicSocialism4tw
09-16-2011, 10:06 PM
I'm glad somebody said this, although I'm not surprised the usual brigade of smarter-than-thou folks chose to ignore it altogether.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people here have ridiculously high opinions of themselves and their football takes. In this other thread, some idiot was going off about how the two guys in the booth during a week 1 game were complete idiots, and how he knew way more than them.

The two in question? Bob Costas and Cris Collinsworth.

Moving on, the ESPN haters are hilarious. If/when the Broncos get good again, all the haters will be glued to it waiting for all the good press.

Ha!

Yeah, these bozos who are talking about Tebow as though he has never played a down in the NFL really know what theyre talking about.

Those guys have better things to do than to keep up with the Denver Broncos. Theyre just parroting one anothers ignorance.

OrangeSe7en
09-17-2011, 06:46 AM
I'm not sure I understand your complaint. The article seemed unbiased.

If it's the "Save your bankroll and your breath" comment that upset you, I think the point may have been lost on you. These proposed billboards are a comical waste of money and aren't going to make any difference. I don't see where the writer was saying anything more than that.

It's not a waste of money. Its a salvo to the organization that they're so fed up, they'd rather take money that they'd spend on the team ordinarily and spend it against the team. It's a moment of mass significance...or at least it should be if you're in the Broncos front office.

OABB
09-17-2011, 06:52 AM
I'm glad somebody said this, although I'm not surprised the usual brigade of smarter-than-thou folks chose to ignore it altogether.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people here have ridiculously high opinions of themselves and their football takes. In this other thread, some idiot was going off about how the two guys in the booth during a week 1 game were complete idiots, and how he knew way more than them.

The two in question? Bob Costas and Cris Collinsworth.

Moving on, the ESPN haters are hilarious. If/when the Broncos get good again, all the haters will be glued to it waiting for all the good press.

i think we all really do know the game better than most. seriously.

I catch myself yelling at anouncers once a game about the rules.

hey remember when chris had to apologize to everyone because he didnt understand that you can throw the football forward on a botched fg?


yeah.

maven
09-17-2011, 07:19 AM
I'm glad somebody said this, although I'm not surprised the usual brigade of smarter-than-thou folks chose to ignore it altogether.

It never ceases to amaze me how many people here have ridiculously high opinions of themselves and their football takes. In this other thread, some idiot was going off about how the two guys in the booth during a week 1 game were complete idiots, and how he knew way more than them.

The two in question? Bob Costas and Cris Collinsworth.

Moving on, the ESPN haters are hilarious. If/when the Broncos get good again, all the haters will be glued to it waiting for all the good press.

Bob Costas?

RhymesayersDU
09-17-2011, 09:47 AM
Ha!

Yeah, these bozos who are talking about Tebow as though he has never played a down in the NFL really know what theyre talking about.

Those guys have better things to do than to keep up with the Denver Broncos. Theyre just parroting one anothers ignorance.

Because your agenda, which has little to do with football, that's the truth? Hilarious.

It's sad because we're on the same side of this issue, but for very different reasons. And if you think people can't see that, you're insane.

RhymesayersDU
09-17-2011, 09:47 AM
i think we all really do know the game better than most. seriously.

I catch myself yelling at anouncers once a game about the rules.

hey remember when chris had to apologize to everyone because he didnt understand that you can throw the football forward on a botched fg?


yeah.

Yeah, you're wrong. I mean don't get me wrong here. I believe that you believe you know more than these guys, but it's simply not true.

So he messed up on an obscure rule that rarely happens. That means you know more than he does? Laughable. The guy played in the NFL for 8 years! They're human, they'll make mistakes. They're going to call a player by the wrong name here and there, etc. That's life.

But these guys who do this for a living, ESPECIALLY the former players and coaches, know more about the game than any of us do. It's ridiculous to think otherwise. Some of them may not have great personalities and may not be good in the booth or on-air in other capacities, but they know way more about the game.

TailgateNut
09-17-2011, 10:08 AM
Yeah, you're wrong. I mean don't get me wrong here. I believe that you believe you know more than these guys, but it's simply not true.

So he messed up on an obscure rule that rarely happens. That means you know more than he does? Laughable. The guy played in the NFL for 8 years! They're human, they'll make mistakes. They're going to call a player by the wrong name here and there, etc. That's life.

But these guys who do this for a living, ESPECIALLY the former players and coaches, know more about the game than any of us do. It's ridiculous to think otherwise. Some of them may not have great personalities and may not be good in the booth or on-air in other capacities, but they know way more about the game.


Naw, OABB is a "know it all". That's what his mom tells him before he heads off to grade school each morning.

Cito Pelon
09-17-2011, 10:31 AM
One of the best NFL games I ever saw on TV was a game where they didn't have announcers.

bowtown
09-17-2011, 10:35 AM
One of the best NFL games I ever saw on TV was a game where they didn't have announcers.

Are you just talking about the game where your remote control broke and you couldn't turn mute off?

Rigs11
09-17-2011, 10:41 AM
One was a rookie, the other a seven year vet. But that doesn't matter right? ::)

It does matter,that's why the vet is starting.

Cito Pelon
09-17-2011, 10:48 AM
Are you just talking about the game where your remote control broke and you couldn't turn mute off?

No, there was an NFL game televised back in the 90's I think as an experiment where they didn't have announcers.

errand
09-17-2011, 11:09 AM
Like I said... they don't last.

If Orton keeps this up he will be riding the pine soon enough.

Exactly if kyle orton plays himself out of a job then he has no one to blame but himself...... ditto for tim tebow.

As a quarterback you cannot constantly turn the ball over and expect to keep your job....... kyle doesn't turn the ball over very frequently..... and that might be a blessing and a curse at the same time. Kind of like how being employee of the month is an example of how someone can be a winner and a loser at the same time......

If kyle plays a couple more games like he did against the raiders....trust me john fox will make the switch to whoever he feels is the best option

Rigs11
09-17-2011, 12:04 PM
Exactly if kyle orton plays himself out of a job then he has no one to blame but himself...... ditto for tim tebow.

As a quarterback you cannot constantly turn the ball over and expect to keep your job....... kyle doesn't turn the ball over very frequently..... and that might be a blessing and a curse at the same time. Kind of like how being employee of the month is an example of how someone can be a winner and a loser at the same time......

If kyle plays a couple more games like he did against the raiders....trust me john fox will make the switch to whoever he feels is the best option

Yep and if tebow sucks it up as well then what?Are the tebownites going to want him benched?I think not

Dedhed
09-17-2011, 12:28 PM
Exactly if kyle orton plays himself out of a job then he has no one to blame but himself.


How anyone can say, with a straight face, that played himself out of a job over the last two years is beyond me.

PS- Use Commas.

Dedhed
09-17-2011, 12:30 PM
Yep and if tebow sucks it up as well then what?Are the tebownites going to want him benched?I think not

They're going to want to draft Luck, Barkley, or Jones to be the QBOTF. Is that really that difficult for you to comprehend?

PS- Use punctuation, it helps.

Archedamian
09-17-2011, 01:15 PM
They're going to want to draft Luck, Barkley, or Jones to be the QBOTF. Is that really that difficult for you to comprehend?

PS- Use punctuation, it helps.



It's P.S., not PS.

LRtagger
09-17-2011, 01:22 PM
Bowlen is a broke, drunk drug addict who denies Tebow playing time because of his contract escalators.

Obviously the answer to this question is Bowlen is in deep debt to all ESPN analysts for booze and drugs and can pay them back faster if he doesnt have to pay out Tebow's contract incentives.

This is the only reasonable explanation.

bowtown
09-17-2011, 01:25 PM
Bowlen is a broke, drunk drug addict who denies Tebow playing time because of his contract escalators.

Obviously the answer to this question is Bowlen is in deep debt to all ESPN analysts for booze and drugs and can pay them back faster if he doesnt have to pay out Tebow's contract incentives.

This is the only reasonable explanation.

Don't forget that Elway plans to give Luck a 12 year extension the day after he signs his rookie contract, effectively making him the highest paid QB the universe has ever known. That money has to come from somewhere.

LRtagger
09-17-2011, 01:28 PM
Don't forget that Elway plans to give Luck a 12 year extension the day after he signs his rookie contract, effectively making him the highest paid QB the universe has ever known. That money has to come from somewhere.

I hear he is selling billboard space so he can pay Luck's contract.

rugbythug
09-17-2011, 02:28 PM
Yeah, you're wrong. I mean don't get me wrong here. I believe that you believe you know more than these guys, but it's simply not true.

So he messed up on an obscure rule that rarely happens. That means you know more than he does? Laughable. The guy played in the NFL for 8 years! They're human, they'll make mistakes. They're going to call a player by the wrong name here and there, etc. That's life.

But these guys who do this for a living, ESPECIALLY the former players and coaches, know more about the game than any of us do. It's ridiculous to think otherwise. Some of them may not have great personalities and may not be good in the booth or on-air in other capacities, but they know way more about the game.

Matt millen. Cosign

errand
09-17-2011, 02:42 PM
Matt millen. Cosign

Matt millen may have been in over his head as a general manager but he still knows the game of football........

he's won his superbowl rings........how many have you got?

Gort
09-17-2011, 02:45 PM
Yep and if tebow sucks it up as well then what?Are the tebownites going to want him benched?I think not

if the give Tebow as many starts as they've given Orton and Tebow is losing and sucking, then i don't think anybody would defend keeping him in there. however, based on the 3 games we saw at the end of 2010, the odds of Tebow being Orton version 2.0 are miniscule.

rugbythug
09-17-2011, 02:54 PM
Matt millen may have been in over his head as a general manager but he still knows the game of football........

he's won his superbowl rings........how many have you got?

Chris collinsworth and I are tight in the super bowl rings department. You are right of course we should look for to terry bradshaw.

zdoor
09-17-2011, 03:08 PM
Matt millen may have been in over his head as a general manager but he still knows the game of football........

he's won his superbowl rings........how many have you got?

Doesn't McD have a few rings? How'd that work out?

epicSocialism4tw
09-17-2011, 05:18 PM
Because your agenda, which has little to do with football, that's the truth? Hilarious.

It's sad because we're on the same side of this issue, but for very different reasons. And if you think people can't see that, you're insane.

You have no idea of reasons or anything else.

But keep feeling like you need to stand up for poor ESPiN. Its cute.

Requiem
09-17-2011, 05:36 PM
They aren't.

Mods, please lock this the **** up!

Dedhed
09-17-2011, 09:44 PM
Matt millen may have been in over his head as a general manager but he still knows the game of football........

he's won his superbowl rings........how many have you got?

This is dumb beyond words.

RhymesayersDU
09-18-2011, 02:12 AM
You have no idea of reasons or anything else.

But keep feeling like you need to stand up for poor ESPiN. Its cute.

I'm not "standing up" for ESPN. But it's just idiotic to think regular people have better insight to the NFL than the guys who actually played and coached in it. Period.

Agamemnon
09-18-2011, 02:58 AM
I'm not "standing up" for ESPN. But it's just idiotic to think regular people have better insight to the NFL than the guys who actually played and coached in it. Period.

Like Merril Hoge? Hilarious!

OrangeSe7en
09-18-2011, 10:10 AM
I'm not "standing up" for ESPN. But it's just idiotic to think regular people have better insight to the NFL than the guys who actually played and coached in it. Period.

Thats not true at all. NFL people disagree on things too. NFL people are wrong on a lot of things too.

RhymesayersDU
09-18-2011, 10:51 AM
Like Merril Hoge? Hilarious!

Thats not true at all. NFL people disagree on things too. NFL people are wrong on a lot of things too.

Of course they disagree. You'll have people in any industry who disagree on issues with valid points. You'll have guys like Steve Young taking Tebow's side, and Hoge not. That doesn't make their experience with the game any less valid.

And of course they'll be wrong on things. Again, my point isn't that these guys are always right. My point is that people like us are not more knowledgeable about the game. The guys who had long NFL careers as players and/or coaches know infinitely more than we do. This idea that Joe 6-Pack from the Orange Mane is more knowledgeable then one of the "talking heads" is laughable. It's armchair quarterbacking at it's worst. I mean, how much of an egomaniac can someone be?

errand
09-18-2011, 11:05 AM
Doesn't McD have a few rings? How'd that work out?

Everybody reaches the terminal position in a career..... look at gary kubiak he was no more than a hardly use backup.... however he was an excellent quarterback coach... a pretty good offensive coordinator....... and an above average head coach.

So you can blast his abilities as a quarterback maybe.... and you can question his abilities as a head coach perhaps..... but you cannot question his ability to get a quarterback to play well.

Same with josh mcdaniels... excellent quarterback coach excellent offensive coordinator....in over his head as a head coach......

That doesn't mean that they are not more knowledgeable about the game of football just because they failed at other stops along the way