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Bob's your Information Minister
09-14-2011, 05:00 PM
I'm looking at the Pro Football Focus review of Denver/Oakland.

First, your entire offensive line received negative grades. That's not good.

Orlando Franklin gave up six pressures. That's not good. Two sacks credited to Zane Beadles, one apiece to Clady and Kuper.

Defensively, it's a lot better. Bunkley and Von Miller received high grades.

But what jumps out at me...and you guys may have been talking about this already....Von Miller only rushed the passer nine times in 61 snaps? Seriously? He had more coverage drops (15).

Your coaching staff had Miller rush the passer 9 times in a game where Robert Ayers and Kevin Vickerson had 20+ rushes apiece? I don't get it.

PRBronco
09-14-2011, 05:04 PM
Link please, you fat, worthless pile of fail.

Eldorado
09-14-2011, 05:05 PM
Miller tee's off when we get a substantial lead. This is what the rev was worried about.

Bob's your Information Minister
09-14-2011, 05:13 PM
Link please, you fat, worthless pile of fail.

No link, it's subscriber only.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-14-2011, 05:17 PM
Not surprising, their entire game plan was designed around negating the broncos pass rush. This was pretty obvious from go.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 05:18 PM
Miller tee's off when we get a substantial lead. This is what the rev was worried about.

Exactly what I was talking about when I said things like this:

Wouldn't be surprised.

Quite frankly I think people have both too high and the wrong expectations for Von Miller. He's going to do a LOT of different things while people are judging him solely as a pass rush specialist... He'll probably only really rush 50% of passing plays.

I think a VERY good rookie year outing for him would be:

100-ish tackles, 2 INTs, 6 sacks

Talented enough for more, yes, but that's an extremely good year for a rookie player.

I think 15 sacks, while within his talent range, is an ungodly expectation to have for a rookie that won't even rush every passing down.

I think 6 is a good season for him and 10+ will still be realistic and be fantastic.

And also precisely why I wanted Peterson.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 05:20 PM
Not surprising, their entire game plan was designed around negating the broncos pass rush. This was pretty obvious from go.

No no, he's saying that in 24 active plays vs the pass, Miller rushed 9 times. Not utilizing his greatest strength. Just like I was worried about pre-draft.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-14-2011, 05:24 PM
Yeah, but i think you have to look at this on a case by case basis. How many obvious passing downs were the raiders in...and they often showed they'd max protect. I think they were just playing to what the raiders were showing.

MagicHef
09-14-2011, 05:52 PM
I'm looking at the Pro Football Focus review of Denver/Oakland.

First, your entire offensive line received negative grades. That's not good.

Orlando Franklin gave up six pressures. That's not good. Two sacks credited to Zane Beadles, one apiece to Clady and Kuper.

Defensively, it's a lot better. Bunkley and Von Miller received high grades.

But what jumps out at me...and you guys may have been talking about this already....Von Miller only rushed the passer nine times in 61 snaps? Seriously? He had more coverage drops (15).

Your coaching staff had Miller rush the passer 9 times in a game where Robert Ayers and Kevin Vickerson had 20+ rushes apiece? I don't get it.

You don't seriously think you'll beat us for Luck, do you?

Bob's your Information Minister
09-14-2011, 05:56 PM
You don't seriously think you'll beat us for Luck, do you?

Let me tell you something, broski.

Our quarterback completed 22 passes for 119 yards on Sunday.

That's the first time that's EVER been done in NFL history! Our quarterback is breaking records for ineptitude....we got this. :strong:

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 05:56 PM
Yeah, but i think you have to look at this on a case by case basis. How many obvious passing downs were the raiders in...and they often showed they'd max protect. I think they were just playing to what the raiders were showing.

Right. But there's no case by case about it. This is what it's going to be like unless we stay in under fronts.

It's just not maximizing his strongest skill set due to the nature of the defense and people need to adjust their expectations for him instead of expecting 15+ sacks etc.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 05:57 PM
Let me tell you something, broski.

Our quarterback completed 22 passes for 119 yards on Sunday.

That's the first time that's EVER been done in NFL history! Our quarterback is breaking records for ineptitude....we got this. :strong:

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb380/Solnikonan/9-13-20114-47-21PM.jpg


"I GOT THIS GUYS!"

WolfpackGuy
09-14-2011, 05:58 PM
Cassel for Orton trade?

LOL

That would be ironic.

As well as moronic...

KCStud
09-14-2011, 06:04 PM
The Broncos and Chiefs won't get Luck. Both may be bad, but not worst in the league bad.

Rulon Velvet Jones
09-14-2011, 06:10 PM
The Broncos and Chiefs won't get Luck. Both may be bad, but not worst in the league bad.

You'd be surprised.

WolfpackGuy
09-14-2011, 06:19 PM
The Broncos and Chiefs won't get Luck. Both may be bad, but not worst in the league bad.

The Stupor Bowl for Luck is on January 1st in Denver!

Be there!

tsiguy96
09-14-2011, 06:21 PM
they replaced miller with mario haggan because hagan is a veteran and earned his playing time...

FireFly
09-14-2011, 06:22 PM
The Broncos and Chiefs won't get Luck. Both may be bad, but not worst in the league bad.

i don't know, I honestly think we could be.

If we lose to the Bengals, I think we might be lucky to win more than 3 this year and that would put us well and truly in contention

KCStud
09-14-2011, 06:23 PM
You'd be surprised.

Personally, I think Cleveland will win the Luck contest.

TheChamp24
09-14-2011, 08:13 PM
Yeah, I was worried about drafting Miller so high if we don't fully utilize his greatest strength. Bravo.

DBroncos4life
09-14-2011, 08:18 PM
Personally, I think Cleveland will win the Luck contest.

They like McCoy

Inkana7
09-14-2011, 08:19 PM
Yeah, I was worried about drafting Miller so high if we don't fully utilize his greatest strength. Bravo.

Oh Christ. It was one game, against a team that ran down our throats. I'm shocked to see that Campbell threw 22 times, because it certainly seemed like a lot less. Hard to rush the passer when no one wants to pass.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-14-2011, 08:20 PM
Right. But there's no case by case about it. This is what it's going to be like unless we stay in under fronts.

It's just not maximizing his strongest skill set due to the nature of the defense and people need to adjust their expectations for him instead of expecting 15+ sacks etc.

In the preseason he was rushing often. I think they were playing to the sitch. You could argue that's dumb, but I don't think this is indicative of things to come

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 08:23 PM
Oh Christ. It was one game, against a team that ran down our throats. I'm shocked to see that Campbell threw 22 times, because it certainly seemed like a lot less. Hard to rush the passer when no one wants to pass.

The problem is you really CAN'T.

Options to use Miller as a full time rusher:

1. Make the under our base D since he shifts to the nickel on obvious passing downs.

2. Once he reads pass, he can come on a semi delayed blitz from a few yards off the LOS.

Neither option are really attractive, imo.

KCStud
09-14-2011, 08:35 PM
They like McCoy

This is true, but you can't tell me that any team this year that's picking anyone won't draft Andrew Luck.

DBroncos4life
09-14-2011, 08:51 PM
This is true, but you can't tell me that any team this year that's picking anyone won't draft Andrew Luck.

If he continues to play like he has been there would be no reason to. 3500 yards and 20 plus TDs for that team wouldn't be that bad. Plus they can get the best WR to come out since Calvin Johnson in Justin Blackmon.

Bob's your Information Minister
09-15-2011, 02:29 PM
Official recap:

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/09/15/re-focused-raiders-broncos-week-1/

Oakland: Three Performances of Note

Worth the money?

Three tackles. On the surface, thatís not that many for a hard dayís work, especially when you spend 33 snaps rushing the passer. But if one was to go beyond those numbers, they would see a player that Kamerion Wimbley (+8.3) absolutely terrorized Orlando Franklin, Denverís rookie right tackle. The former Cleveland Brown was so quick off the snap; the he consistently forced Franklin to over commit to the outside rush, which allowed Wimbley to consistently beat him with a wicked spin move. It wasnít just his pass rushing that impressed, but his work in run defense. Watch him with 12:35 left in the first quarter, as he beats both Julius Thomas and Ryan Clady to make a tackle for a substantial loss, and it would be hard to argue that Wimbley wasnít one of the best defensive players on the field.

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Does this add up?

It may seem amazing that the Raiders, who ran for 190 yards, managed to score so poorly with their run blocking, and that Darren McFadden only managed to earn a +0.2 rating for his rushing. Firstly, it should be noted we grade the individual and not the collective unit, however there is a logical reason for this, and it comes down to the nature of the Raiders rushing attack. While they did rack up 190 yards on the ground, 87 of those did come on three carries and Oaklandís line should be characterized by being either being boom or bust. Although it did get job done, there were just as many times where linemen like Stefen Wisniewski (-5.6) were either beaten, or failed to make any impact when they were left free to get to the second level.

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Special Teams

Itís rare that we mention special teams, but when theyíre as good as the Raiders you just have to sometimes. Some people can moan about Shane Lechlerís (+4.5) kicking, as if to insinuate that heís line driving punts straight down the throat of the returner, but the reality of the matter is that heís not. With excellent hang time, direction and great distance, Lechler rarely lets the Raiders down. Remember that punters are people to, so give this one some credit and watch what he was able to do with six of his punts in this game. It would almost be rude not to mention Sebastian Janikowski (+3.1) with his record-tying day and touchbacks which will become par the course for him.

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Denver: Three Performances of Note

Anything but a Rookie

We maybe expected more dynamic plays from Von Miller (+4.9), but instead what we got was an extremely professional NFL debut where he looked like anything but a rookie. He wasnít used to rush the passer quite as much as expected, (nine plays) but did generate a pressure where he just breezed by Jared Veldheer with an explosive first step. Throw in a forced fumble and some excellent work against any lineman that got the next level and you get the impression that you could be watching someone who could prove special in the NFL.

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Line Troubles

If the Oakland line had some issues, then what about Denverís unit? Not only did they ensure that Kyle Orton was faced with pressure on 50% of the plays that he faced, but the right side of the line just looked down right pathetic at times. We already mentioned Orlando Franklinís (-4.0) rough NFL debut, but next to him was Chris Kuper, who had just as many problems in pass protection (he gave up one sack and four pressures). Whether it was Tommy Kelly or Lamarr Houston, both men were simply too quick off the snap for him to handle. More could be written about each lineman and their struggles (Ryan Clady and his -0.5 was the best grade of their day) but you get the point. They got pushed around in every way imaginable.

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No Doom Yet

While Elvis Dumervil (-0.7) was limited to 17 snaps, Jason Hunter demonstrated enough to suggest he can still contribute to this team. The former Detroit Lion picked up a sack and four other defensive stops on a highly productive night. He comprehensively won his battles with the Raider right tackles, picking up his sack on Stephon Heyer, and beating Khalif Barnes to make a couple of tackles for short gains.

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Game Notes

● Kyle Orton saw his completion percentage drop from 64% to 38.1% when pressure got to him.

● The Raiders picked up 31 total quarterback disruptions and missed only three tackles.

● In this game alone Matt Giordano (+2.9) played more snaps than he had in the previous two years.



PFF Game Ball:

Kamerion Wimbley, LB, Oakland Raiders

When you look at how badly Orton struggled under pressure, you know how big an impact that had on the game. Take a bow Kamerion Wimbley, chief tormentor.

DrFate
09-15-2011, 02:34 PM
Personally, I think Cleveland will win the Luck contest.

Denver and KC have a 1 game head start

Stagger Lee
09-15-2011, 02:41 PM
Denver and KC have a 1 game head start

I do think that Denver and KC are far worse than Cleveland, but they are 0-1 too. Cincy beat them.

broncswin
09-15-2011, 02:54 PM
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"I GOT THIS GUYS!"[/QUOTE

"I have been playing the best football of my career the last two years.....I will let my play speak for itself"..............hey Ortty, how did that work out for ya? :thumbs:

Dedhed
09-15-2011, 03:26 PM
Personally, I think Cleveland will win the Luck contest.

How could they, they have Hillis. He was on the cover of Madden.

fdf
09-15-2011, 03:47 PM
The Broncos and Chiefs won't get Luck. Both may be bad, but not worst in the league bad.

Looks like a race to the bottom to me.

Ugly Duck
09-15-2011, 05:53 PM
He's going to do a LOT of different things while people are judging him solely as a pass rush specialist... He'll probably only really rush 50% of passing plays.

Thats just about right... Campbell only attempted like 20 passes the whole game & Miller rushed 9 times.

At least Denver finally came up with a plan for stopping McFadden:

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/getty/2011/09000d5d822316aa_gallery_600.jpg