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TheReverend
09-14-2011, 12:22 PM
Is Brandon Lloyd retarded?

Read before voting:

QB Kyle Orton's middling performance in the Broncos' Monday night loss to the Raiders spurred the Denver faithful to begin "Tebow" chants during the game as they once again threw popular support behind backup QB Tim Tebow.
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By Ron Chenoy, US Presswire

Broncos WR Brandon Lloyd reacted Tuesday in an interview with ESPN.

"I think it's all B.S.," said Lloyd. "I think everybody is just waiting for an opportunity to move (Orton) out and play anybody other than him."

Lloyd, also a teammate of Orton's with the Bears, enjoyed a breakout 2010 Pro Bowl season while mostly catching passes from Orton, whom he clearly prefers to have in the lineup.

"That's the climate that we're in, and we knew we were going to be in -- so be it. There's no being patient with Kyle. Kyle is ready to go. He didn't perform maybe as well as people expected him to. Whatever. He's our quarterback, and we're going to eventually win games," Lloyd said.

Orton was 24-for-46 for 304 yards and a TD but also threw an INT and lost a critical fumble when a wet ball just slipped out of his hand on a dropback.

New coach John Fox remains committed to Orton.

"We knew it was going to be this kind of environment surrounding (Orton) and whatever is going on," Lloyd said. "If (Orton) wins, we're all geniuses. If we lose, put in someone else. It's not new in sports. So this tactic that the media is taking is not new."

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/index

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 12:24 PM
Those are some mega confidence inspiring quotes.

...does he care about winning either, or just pumping up those #s in a contract year?

UH OH. Did I just out you, Brandon?!?!?! We all know Orton is your retirement plan you selfish douche.

jhns
09-14-2011, 12:25 PM
Lloyd is a selfish player that doesn't want Tebow because he is friends with Orton and his stats will go down. He doesn't make sense because he is supporting something that doesn't make sense.

Drek
09-14-2011, 12:27 PM
We should have traded Lloyd in the off-season along with Orton. Last player in the league I'd give a long term contract to.

broncs2bowl
09-14-2011, 12:27 PM
Who isn't selfish?

mkporter
09-14-2011, 12:27 PM
A wide receiver that has his QB's back? Shocking. He'll say nice things about Tebow when he starts, too.

Inkana7
09-14-2011, 12:28 PM
BURN HIM

Dedhed
09-14-2011, 12:28 PM
I think the fact that he's the only player speaking out in support of Orton speaks louder than Lloyd's support does. It's pretty clear that he's the #1 beneficiary of Orton being the starter, and IMO it has everything to do with being in a contract year and caring more about that than the team.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 12:30 PM
We should have traded Lloyd in the off-season along with Orton.

Yup.

If we ever to decide to trade a starting WR in exchange for an about to be cut anyway DE/DT who won't make our team either (again), it should be Lloyd.

Smiling Assassin27
09-14-2011, 12:32 PM
A wide receiver that has his QB's back? Shocking. He'll say nice things about Tebow when he starts, too.

This.

Lloyd's never been a smart dude, but he's basically towing the company line here, props to him. The guy really only should be worried about what IS, not what 'should be' or 'could be', and he should exude confidence, not resignation. He answered correctly--Orton is our qb, I know he'll get better, and we will eventually win games. Granted, he probably REALLY means Orton blows but he is the best option for me to catch 90, he can't play much worse than he did Monday, and we'll squeeze out more than one win, which means 'games', plural.

I'm glad he didn't go T.O. on anyone after one game.

bronco militia
09-14-2011, 12:34 PM
I don't know what else you expect him to say Rev?

gunns
09-14-2011, 12:34 PM
We should have traded Lloyd in the off-season along with Orton. Last player in the league I'd give a long term contract to.

Let's add Moreno

Stagger Lee
09-14-2011, 12:35 PM
He got one thing right, we will eventually win games.

After they bench Orton.

Stagger Lee
09-14-2011, 12:36 PM
Let's add Moreno

This.

broncocalijohn
09-14-2011, 12:38 PM
Can't wait to see some posts about Lloyd sucking as a wide out. Has put up some great numbers in 17 games. If he has orton's back for whatever reason, it has nothing to do with his talents. I wonder all those that are hating on Lloyd also hate on Moss, chad johnson #85, etc? If tebow becomes the qb, he has good talent to throw to and it starts with Lloyd. But hell, GETHIM OUT OF HERE! Is he retarded? If he is based on his support of Orton then the coach and whoever tied to the decision is retarded.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 12:39 PM
I don't know what else you expect him to say Rev?

Oh he can still support Kyle and say it was a bad night for the whole team etc etc etc

...but instead he decided to take the "It's a fans and media conspiracy to bring him down and it's that environment that's causing him to play poorly"

So, yeah. Reason #1 why he's retarded.

Reason #2: Clearly expecting fans are dumb enough to believe him and not smart enough to see the reality that he's doing this for HIMSELF for the biggest contract he can get before people realize that he ****ing sucks like he always has.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 12:40 PM
Can't wait to see some posts about Lloyd sucking as a wide out. Has put up some great numbers in 17 games. If he has orton's back for whatever reason, it has nothing to do with his talents. I wonder all those that are hating on Lloyd also hate on Moss, chad johnson #85, etc? If tebow becomes the qb, he has good talent to throw to and it starts with Lloyd. But hell, GETHIM OUT OF HERE!

Just when I think you can't get any dumber...

Garcia Bronco
09-14-2011, 12:41 PM
I am more expereinced at football than Brandon and he's wrong. Not playing it, but I've been watching it way longer than him and Kyle Orton is done growing. He's not going to become a different QB. He is what he's going to be.

Drek
09-14-2011, 12:43 PM
We suck. Our coaches seem ok with that. Most of our players seem ok with that. The media is definitely ok with that because it makes their job real easy. The fact that we fans aren't ok with that is apparently an affront to these three groups. They all keep telling us we should take ****ty Orton start after ****ty Orton start and say "please sir, may I have another?"

Shananahan
09-14-2011, 12:44 PM
I don't feel the need to start hating on Lloyd for playing for a contract. Him playing for a contract was one of the reasons I was excited about our WR corps this year without DT. I don't feel the need to start hating on him for defending Orton, either. Orton is the guy he's played and practiced with longer and the guy who he found success with last season.

When it comes to talking to the media, however, he is definitely retarded.

broncocalijohn
09-14-2011, 12:45 PM
Just when I think you can't get any dumber...

Finish reading the post. You did right by making the poll non public so people can vote while they know their honest answer won't be slammed by your short fuse. Lol! Your poll is 13 No and 10 yes. I guess it isn't going quite the way you hoped for at this thread.

epicSocialism4tw
09-14-2011, 12:48 PM
Oh he can still support Kyle and say it was a bad night for the whole team etc etc etc

...but instead he decided to take the "It's a fans and media conspiracy to bring him down and it's that environment that's causing him to play poorly"

So, yeah. Reason #1 why he's retarded.

Reason #2: Clearly expecting fans are dumb enough to believe him and not smart enough to see the reality that he's doing this for HIMSELF for the biggest contract he can get before people realize that he ****ing sucks like he always has.

The Broncos really need to go over some PR basics with their players.

You absolutely do not complain about fan discontent when your team has been an annual loser, is coming off of one of the worst years in franchise history, just lost at home in a self-described revenge game to a division rival that annihilated you on your home field last year in the most humiliating regular season loss in franchise history, with an offense that regularly goes 3-and-out when the team needs them to come through the most.

Are they trying to alienate their fans or what?

broncocalijohn
09-14-2011, 12:50 PM
Yup.

If we ever to decide to trade a starting WR in exchange for an about to be cut anyway DE/DT who won't make our team either (again), it should be Lloyd.

And this isn't retarded? Exactly what I thought and starts with the OP. Get rid of him!

epicSocialism4tw
09-14-2011, 12:53 PM
We suck. Our coaches seem ok with that. Most of our players seem ok with that. The media is definitely ok with that because it makes their job real easy. The fact that we fans aren't ok with that is apparently an affront to these three groups. They all keep telling us we should take ****ty Orton start after ****ty Orton start and say "please sir, may I have another?"

You nailed it.

This should have been Brandon Lloyd's (or anyone else for that matter) quote: "Fans have the right to be upset. We haven't given them much to cheer about here in a long time. The way for us to win back their favor is for us to make the playoffs. The fans here have suffered through alot of bad times in recent years. We need to give them a reason to smile."

It really is not that hard. This snarky sniping by media and players should really make the average Broncos fan pretty ticked.

Play2win
09-14-2011, 12:53 PM
Brandon Lloyd is my favorite player currently on the team.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 12:55 PM
Finish reading the post. You did right by making the poll non public so people can vote while they know their honest answer won't be slammed by your short fuse. Lol! Your poll is 13 No and 10 yes. I guess it isn't going quite the way you hoped for at this thread.

Um the fact that it's almost 50/50 saying that our best offensive player is a brain dead retard is pretty telling, actually.

And this isn't retarded? Exactly what I thought and starts with the OP. Get rid of him!

Ha!

Just when I think you can't get any dumber...

^ Never mind, you topped yourself! Again!

broncocalijohn
09-14-2011, 01:01 PM
18 to 12. No your slanted thread and post proves you were wrong. We all know you thought this was a slam dunk towards retard. You can find thousands of players backing their starting QB or other teammate. Your opinion is just that. Once you realize that it isn't gospel, you will be a much humble man. Until then, you are an ass. Probably something to do with your other love...yourself.

BroncoFiend
09-14-2011, 01:03 PM
Those are some mega confidence inspiring quotes.

...does he care about winning either, or just pumping up those #s in a contract year?

UH OH. Did I just out you, Brandon?!?!?! We all know Orton is your retirement plan you selfish douche.

Lloyd's only problem is that he doesn't hold back at all when he is interviewed. It is actually refreshing to hear him, he did an interview with Mike and Scott yesterday and he is great to listen to. But some of his comments will get him in trouble.

HorseHead
09-14-2011, 01:08 PM
neither player will be here next year....

oubronco
09-14-2011, 01:11 PM
He's just telling it like it is

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 01:12 PM
18 to 12. No your slanted thread and post proves you were wrong. We all know you thought this was a slam dunk towards retard. You can find thousands of players backing their starting QB or other teammate. Your opinion is just that. Wants you realize that it isn't gospel, you will be a much humble man. Until then, you are an ass. Probably something to do with your other love...yourself.

There is one thing that's "a slam dunk towards retard"... Ha!

DBroncos4life
09-14-2011, 01:15 PM
The last three weeks before Tebow with Orton last year...
9 catches, 139 yards and 2 TDs

The last three games with Tebow last year....
14 catches, 263 yards and 2 TDs

With Tebow starting 16 games projections for Lloyd base on last years stats...
75 catches, 1403 yards and 11 TDs.

Turd_Ferguson
09-14-2011, 01:22 PM
Of course Lloyd likes Orton. Orton only throws the ball to him and the tight end, plus his crappy play allows them to come from behind a lot which means even more passes for Brandon... Whats not to love from his point of view. The only retarded thing about Lloyd is that he acts like Orton is special and that there aren't 20 other QBs in the league that are just as good as him.

gyldenlove
09-14-2011, 01:23 PM
Are we talking compared to regular people or compared to football players - that makes a big difference.

Pendejo
09-14-2011, 01:25 PM
The last three weeks before Tebow with Orton last year...
9 catches, 139 yards and 2 TDs

The last three games with Tebow last year....
14 catches, 263 yards and 2 TDs

With Tebow starting 16 games projections for Lloyd base on last years stats...
75 catches, 1403 yards and 11 TDs.

Projections don't matter. The inspired play of the whole team the final three weeks with Tebow under center doesn't matter. In severely limited time...the outstanding numbers Tebow put up this pre-season do not matter. He doesn't fit the league's quarterback stereotype. Apparently guys like Orton, and Trent Dilfer do.

There is very little room for individuality in the world...let alone the NFL.

vancejohnson82
09-14-2011, 01:29 PM
i think this poll is retarded as are a BUNCH of the comments

"we should have traded him last year"

jesus christ....our fan base is getting embarrassing....down by 3 in the 3rd and the crowd is booing the team....here's an idea: if you are so pissed off about Orton starting, don't go to the game and give your seat to somebody who is actually going to support the guys on the field

and, oh noes!!! our WR is supporting his QB....terrible stuff going on here

Eldorado
09-14-2011, 01:29 PM
Oh he can still support Kyle and say it was a bad night for the whole team etc etc etc

...but instead he decided to take the "It's a fans and media conspiracy to bring him down and it's that environment that's causing him to play poorly"

So, yeah. Reason #1 why he's retarded.

Reason #2: Clearly expecting fans are dumb enough to believe him and not smart enough to see the reality that he's doing this for HIMSELF for the biggest contract he can get before people realize that he ****ing sucks like he always has.

I thought Lloyd spent the offseason working out with Tebow and was quoted publicly that Tebow would be the starter this year? No?

Eldorado
09-14-2011, 01:39 PM
Haha! This one is funny:

"No, I want to say, '**** you.' And I mean that in the most professional way."

epicSocialism4tw
09-14-2011, 01:42 PM
i think this poll is retarded as are a BUNCH of the comments

"we should have traded him last year"

jesus christ....our fan base is getting embarrassing....down by 3 in the 3rd and the crowd is booing the team....here's an idea: if you are so pissed off about Orton starting, don't go to the game and give your seat to somebody who is actually going to support the guys on the field

and, oh noes!!! our WR is supporting his QB....terrible stuff going on here

You're oversimplifying.

The play that was boo'ed turned the game from a 3-pointer to a 10-pointer in a matter of minutes.

All notions of Orton being something other than the Orton we knew went out the window with that unforced fumble.

The last time fans were in that stadium for a regular season game, they saw an exciting young player. This time around they got the same old stale bread. That's why they boo'ed.

swaiy
09-14-2011, 01:48 PM
i think this poll is retarded as are a BUNCH of the comments

"we should have traded him last year"

jesus christ....our fan base is getting embarrassing....down by 3 in the 3rd and the crowd is booing the team....here's an idea: if you are so pissed off about Orton starting, don't go to the game and give your seat to somebody who is actually going to support the guys on the field

and, oh noes!!! our WR is supporting his QB....terrible stuff going on here

The irony. They aren't pissed off about Orton starting. They're pissed off because he ****ing sucks. You must be Helen freakin' Keller reincarnated. Ever since Orton got here we've been told how he just wins. Despite having a good team around him with the Bears, Orton was responsible for orchestrating win after win but as soon as the tides turn and he's losing, it's everyone's fault. Awesome.

I can't wait for the day Kyle Hoover is gone along with his sucking.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-14-2011, 01:52 PM
I don't think a retarded person could play as well as Lloyd plays. So. "No."

ColoradoDarin
09-14-2011, 02:02 PM
Retarded? No.

Selfish, stupid, transparent? Yes.

Br0nc0Buster
09-14-2011, 02:06 PM
Hmm a receiver sticking behind a qb who threw him the ball when he had a pro bowl season

what a shocker!!!

Lloyd just wants his and feels more comfortable with Kyle, doesnt make him "retarded"

Not everyone is a Dawkins or Champ,willing to putting team above all else

WolfpackGuy
09-14-2011, 02:09 PM
Would the Broncos miss Lloyd?

Doubtful.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 02:13 PM
i think this poll is retarded as are a BUNCH of the comments

"we should have traded him last year"

jesus christ....our fan base is getting embarrassing....down by 3 in the 3rd and the crowd is booing the team....here's an idea: if you are so pissed off about Orton starting, don't go to the game and give your seat to somebody who is actually going to support the guys on the field

and, oh noes!!! our WR is supporting his QB....terrible stuff going on here

Bro, when do we start "straight BOSSING" the AFC west? I'm really excited so get back to me!

vancejohnson82
09-14-2011, 02:16 PM
Bro, when do we start "straight BOSSING" the AFC west? I'm really excited so get back to me!

hopefully when we start playing some road games in less hostile environments

and to the people who are justifying the booing and whatnot while our team is still fighting to stay in the game....seriously, give up the seats and boo from home

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 02:18 PM
hopefully when we start playing some road games in less hostile environments

and to the people who are justifying the booing and whatnot while our team is still fighting to stay in the game....seriously, give up the seats and boo from home

LOL

broncswin
09-14-2011, 02:20 PM
I don't know what else you expect him to say Rev?

I would expect him to say...."I love having Orton as my QB, because he throws me the ball all the time. It doesn't matter to me if we win or lose, because I get to catch balls, get tackled, then get up and do my 'bad ass" walk around the field. Oh ya and it is my contract year!"..........or something along those lines.

broncswin
09-14-2011, 02:22 PM
Would the Broncos miss Lloyd?

Doubtful.

Orton would :yayaya:

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 02:24 PM
I would expect him to say...."I love having Orton as my QB, because he throws me the ball all the time. It doesn't matter to me if we win or lose, because I get to catch balls, get tackled, then get up and do my 'bad ass" walk around the field. Oh ya and it is my contract year!"..........or something along those lines.

Don't forget the "Can't see me" hand gesture.

broncswin
09-14-2011, 02:30 PM
Don't forget the "Can't see me" hand gesture.

ya...then I see him doing it with Decker and all I could think was...Decker just got caught doing that on national TVHilarious!

Kaylore
09-14-2011, 02:36 PM
ya...then I see him doing it with Decker and all I could think was...Decker just got caught doing that on national TVHilarious!

That's gone national. Players in all sports have started to do it.

DBroncos4life
09-14-2011, 02:36 PM
Projections don't matter. The inspired play of the whole team the final three weeks with Tebow under center doesn't matter. In severely limited time...the outstanding numbers Tebow put up this pre-season do not matter. He doesn't fit the league's quarterback stereotype. Apparently guys like Orton, and Trent Dilfer do.

There is very little room for individuality in the world...let alone the NFL.

Well the point is Lloyd isn't just looking out for himself. His stats with Tebow put him on the same pace with Orton as the starter.

Eldorado
09-14-2011, 02:37 PM
Don't forget the "Can't see me" hand gesture.

Wait, why the Lloyd hate? Is this new or is the a by product of "Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who says something nice about Orton will immediately be burned at the stake!"

Pendejo
09-14-2011, 02:37 PM
Don't forget the "Can't see me" hand gesture.

The hand gesture is apropos though. Apparently nobody could see Lloyd for the first seven years of his career because he did absolutely nothing.

oubronco
09-14-2011, 02:38 PM
Wait, why the Lloyd hate? Is this new or is the a by product of "Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who says something nice about Orton will immediately be burned at the stake!"

Pretty much how it is around here

jhns
09-14-2011, 02:38 PM
Wait, why the Lloyd hate? Is this new or is the a by product of "Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who says something nice about Orton will immediately be burned at the stake!"

The second option, as it should be.

Pendejo
09-14-2011, 02:44 PM
Wait, why the Lloyd hate? Is this new or is the a by product of "Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who says something nice about Orton will immediately be burned at the stake!"

I don't think there's any Lloyd hate per say...but why should any Donks fan who has sat through the past couple of seasons give a damn what a career underachieving-malcontent like Brandon Lloyd thinks?

He had a career year catching balls from a gimp with tunnel vision. It's as simple as that.

Eldorado
09-14-2011, 02:45 PM
The second option, as it should be.

I think Orton looked pretty good last game and even had it won before the coaches screwed it up with play calling. He looked comfortable in the pocket and was making nice throws. He would have had a quality completion percentage if the WR's hadn't dropped so many balls. And the fumble? All on the play calling. It was raining for ****s sake. Trying to hide the ball like that, which was required by the play call, was just begging for a fumble.

broncswin
09-14-2011, 02:45 PM
Wait, why the Lloyd hate? Is this new or is the a by product of "Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who says something nice about Orton will immediately be burned at the stake!"

LOL Lloyd hate?? Didn't realize I had to like everything he did to be his biggest fan.

I like Lloyd, but as of right now I will not be kissing his ass...he is defending Orton and I for one really don't think Orton gives us the best chance to win. Neither does he, but he knows Orton will be a bigger help to his contract year then say.......................Tebow.

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 02:46 PM
Wait, why the Lloyd hate? Is this new or is the a by product of "Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who says something nice about Orton will immediately be burned at the stake!"

It wasn't simply that he defended him. It was the way he defended him. He basically attacked the fans for being sick of his boy sucking ass. The reason for this is transparent.

I don't really think he's retarded. I just think he's a tool who cares more about his stat line than winning.

Eldorado
09-14-2011, 02:46 PM
LOL Lloyd hate?? Didn't realize I had to like everything he did to be his biggest fan.

I like Lloyd, but as of right now I will not be kissing his ass...he is defending Orton and I for one really don't think Orton gives us the best chance to win. Neither does he, but he knows Orton will be a bigger help to his contract year then say.......................Tebow.

Didn't realize I was talking to you, a$s monkey.

broncswin
09-14-2011, 02:47 PM
I think Orton looked pretty good last game and even had it won before the coaches screwed it up with play calling. He looked comfortable in the pocket and was making nice throws. He would have had a quality completion percentage if the WR's hadn't dropped so many balls. And the fumble? All on the play calling. It was raining for ****s sake. Trying to hide the ball like that, which was required by the play call, was just begging for a fumble.

When is the last time we won a game with Orton??? When you answer that, even you may go Holy Shait

broncswin
09-14-2011, 02:48 PM
Didn't realize I was talking to you, a$s monkey.

You weren't...I just assumed it

Smilin Assassin
09-14-2011, 02:49 PM
A wide receiver that has his QB's back? Shocking. He'll say nice things about Tebow when he starts, too.


This.

Nothing shocking about what he said, maybe a a lil bit the way he said it. But, let's say he DOESN'T actually feel the way he says he does (for argument's sake).

Would THIS quote be any better?:

"I wish the staff would just recognize Kyle's not going to get us where we need to go. Starting Tim may or may not be the answer, but I just wish Coach Fox would give him a shot."

I'm a Tebow supporter. I wanna see what the kid can do. But, all things equal, had Brandon said something like the above statement one game into the season, THEN I would vote yes to this poll.

DBroncos4life
09-14-2011, 02:50 PM
You weren't...I just assumed it

You got that from him quoting the Rev!?!?!

MrPeepers
09-14-2011, 02:51 PM
Lloyd's only problem is that he doesn't hold back at all when he is interviewed. It is actually refreshing to hear him, he did an interview with Mike and Scott yesterday and he is great to listen to. But some of his comments will get him in trouble.

this.... big mouth, self interested and has the big payday staring him in the face and is just calling it like it is from his point of view and motive. he's doing the same stuff we see in office politics.

jhns
09-14-2011, 02:52 PM
I think Orton looked pretty good last game and even had it won before the coaches screwed it up with play calling. He looked comfortable in the pocket and was making nice throws. He would have had a quality completion percentage if the WR's hadn't dropped so many balls. And the fumble? All on the play calling. It was raining for ****s sake. Trying to hide the ball like that, which was required by the play call, was just begging for a fumble.

You don't need to try so hard. Everyone already hates you.

bowtown
09-14-2011, 02:55 PM
Lloyd is the entire reason Orton OR Tebow have even looked serviceable throwing the ball this year or last. This witch hunt is reaching levels of abslolute embarass.

swaiy
09-14-2011, 02:58 PM
I think Orton looked pretty good last game and even had it won before the coaches screwed it up with play calling. He looked comfortable in the pocket and was making nice throws. He would have had a quality completion percentage if the WR's hadn't dropped so many balls. And the fumble? All on the play calling. It was raining for ****s sake. Trying to hide the ball like that, which was required by the play call, was just begging for a fumble.

For all the millions he's getting paid, a wet ball shouldn't be an excuse for him or anyone. Sure, blame it on the play call.

http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee480/PersonalPixie/Gifs/Girl%20Gifs/tumblr_lj9facg4ZS1qcd5oo.gif

Eldorado
09-14-2011, 03:01 PM
For all the millions he's getting paid, a wet ball shouldn't be an excuse for him or anyone. Sure, blame it on the play call. If he holds his baby anything like that football during that play, that kid may be riding a bus. It won't be a long one though.



Look, it was a bad call, get over it.

Also, probably should keep other peoples families out of it.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 03:03 PM
Wait, why the Lloyd hate? Is this new or is the a by product of "Anyone, and I mean ANYONE, who says something nice about Orton will immediately be burned at the stake!"

No, it's more about what a selfish **** he's been his entire career.

swaiy
09-14-2011, 03:04 PM
Look, it was a bad call, get over it.

Also, probably should keep other peoples families out of it.

You don't get to post your opinion and then tell someone what or what not to do.

Did I offend you lol?

broncocalijohn
09-14-2011, 03:06 PM
I think Orton looked pretty good last game and even had it won before the coaches screwed it up with play calling. He looked comfortable in the pocket and was making nice throws. He would have had a quality completion percentage if the WR's hadn't dropped so many balls. And the fumble? All on the play calling. It was raining for ****s sake. Trying to hide the ball like that, which was required by the play call, was just begging for a fumble.

I think this is a tad optomistic about Orton. While you have some facts there, Orton did throw some awful balls and the drop still has to be on Orton. He was far from the worst on Monday Night but he has his fair share of blame. Close to 50% passing is not what I would describe as "pretty good game". Your post does have a tad of TheElusiveKyleOrton in it though.
BTW, Was the Orton turnover that was begging for a fumble the same as Kevin's over lacquered alter begging for a burning ?

SportinOne
09-14-2011, 03:06 PM
You nailed it.

This should have been Brandon Lloyd's (or anyone else for that matter) quote: "Fans have the right to be upset. We haven't given them much to cheer about here in a long time. The way for us to win back their favor is for us to make the playoffs. The fans here have suffered through alot of bad times in recent years. We need to give them a reason to smile."

It really is not that hard. This snarky sniping by media and players should really make the average Broncos fan pretty ticked.

i love how people read or listen to quotes by players and say, "This is what they should have said."

this is what you wanted to hear, he didn't say that. oh well.

he's right, by the way.

100%

the media loves this, they don't care who starts as long as there is a controversy. I have no idea why people think tebow is better than Orton. he's not, plain and simple. and he may never be. but for right now, he is DEFINITELY not.

Eldorado
09-14-2011, 03:07 PM
No, it's more about what a selfish **** he's been his entire career.

Oh. I haven't been paying much attention till he got here. Personally I think he's retarded. Nobody says, when referring to former teammates in an interview with the media, "**** them. And I mean that in the most professional way possible."

Tombstone RJ
09-14-2011, 03:08 PM
Is Brandon Lloyd retarded?

Read before voting:



http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/index

This is a none story and Lloyd is just backing his current starting QB. If you remember correctly in the off season Lloyd all but gave Tebow a signed endorsement when it appeared that Orton was gone.

I like Lloyd, he's a good guy and a great talent. People should just realize he's trying to be PC in a difficult situation.

SportinOne
09-14-2011, 03:08 PM
Those are some mega confidence inspiring quotes.

...does he care about winning either, or just pumping up those #s in a contract year?

UH OH. Did I just out you, Brandon?!?!?! We all know Orton is your retirement plan you selfish douche.

i'm sure that he knows he's in a contract year.. if you were in a contract year at his age you would be highly aware of it, too. blame money, or the sport, not the player.. he's just playing the chips he has.

but that has little to do with his quote. i think you're retarded.

Eldorado
09-14-2011, 03:09 PM
BTW, Was the Orton turnover that was begging for a fumble the same as Kevin's over lacquered alter begging for a burning ?

I have absolutely no idea what that means.

broncocalijohn
09-14-2011, 03:10 PM
I have absolutely no idea what that means.

Beantown does. Meet the Parents....Movie.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 03:10 PM
Oh. I haven't been paying much attention till he got here. Personally I think he's retarded. Nobody says, when referring to former teammates in an interview with the media, "**** them. And I mean that in the most professional way possible."

That's one example.

My favorite was the "I don't watch tape or study opponents". Think that was from way back in SF under Nolan?

There's a reason the guy has had such a horrid career until he suddenly breaks out one year in his ****ing 30s and it wasn't a lack of opportunities.

Eldorado
09-14-2011, 03:10 PM
You don't get to post your opinion and then tell someone what or what not to do.

Did I offend you lol?

I'm not telling you what to do bro. Talk some family smack, see how far that gets you.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 03:11 PM
This is a none story and Lloyd is just backing his current starting QB. If you remember correctly in the off season Lloyd all but gave Tebow a signed endorsement when it appeared that Orton was gone.

I like Lloyd, he's a good guy and a great talent. People should just realize he's trying to be PC in a difficult situation.

I remember. And then a day later he was telling the media "Thank God we're keeping Kyle! OMG I was happy he was getting to leave THIS situation but for me, for me I'm happy he's staying!"

Yeah... ****ing retard.

Eldorado
09-14-2011, 03:12 PM
I remember. And then a day later he was telling the media "Thank God we're keeping Kyle! OMG I was happy he was getting to leave THIS situation but for me, for me I'm happy he's staying!"

Yeah... ****ing retard.

Link please. I don't believe it.

swaiy
09-14-2011, 03:12 PM
i love how people read or listen to quotes by players and say, "This is what they should have said."

this is what you wanted to hear, he didn't say that. oh well.

he's right, by the way.

100%

the media loves this, they don't care who starts as long as there is a controversy. I have no idea why people think tebow is better than Orton. he's not, plain and simple. and he may never be. but for right now, he is DEFINITELY not.

What do we get out of Orton playing this season besides missing the playoffs? What good does it do us to continue to suck with him and then watch him leave via Free Agency at the end of this season? How does that benefit us? I'm just curious.

Taco John
09-14-2011, 03:14 PM
Rod Smith backed Brian Griese to the day he was benched. I never blame a player for defending another player that they're going to battle with.

Tombstone RJ
09-14-2011, 03:16 PM
I remember. And then a day later he was telling the media "Thank God we're keeping Kyle! OMG I was happy he was getting to leave THIS situation but for me, for me I'm happy he's staying!"

Yeah... ****ing retard.

Yah, he needs to just avoid the media because he is only making it worse, that being said he's the current media darling and he's telling the media what they want to hear IMHO.

swaiy
09-14-2011, 03:17 PM
I'm not telling you what to do bro. Talk some family smack, see how far that gets you.

I'm sorry. I owe you an apology.

An apology for giving you the impression I give a flying **** what you think. I'll be sure to print out your post, fold it neatly into a square, and place it behind my ABC liquor card. Everytime I go to buy alcohol after my life is in shambles, I'll have to look at this warning you gave me about how far I'd make it talking crap on the forums.


If you happened to read that paragraph, and you are now reading this sentence: I still don't give a damn what you think. Please, ignore me if you have to.

BroncoInferno
09-14-2011, 03:21 PM
Rod Smith backed Brian Griese to the day he was benched. I never blame a player for defending another player that they're going to battle with.

This. Pretty strange to spin support of the veteran starter as selfishness. Particularly when you take into account that Lloyd's production was basically the same with Tebow starting (as Pendejo's numbers showed earlier in the thread).

Eldorado
09-14-2011, 03:22 PM
I'm sorry. I owe you an apology.

An apology for giving you the impression I give a flying **** what you think. I'll be sure to print out your post, fold it neatly into a square, and place it behind my ABC liquor card. Everytime I go to buy alcohol after my life is in shambles, I'll have to look at this warning you gave me about how far I'd make it talking crap on the forums.


If you happened to read that paragraph, and you are now reading this sentence: I still don't give a damn what you think. Please, ignore me if you have to.

Whoa there Seabass. Family smack is insta-ban around here, I was just trying to help a rookie out.

swaiy
09-14-2011, 03:25 PM
Whoa there Seabass. Family smack is insta-ban around here, I was just trying to help a rookie out.

Noted, and thanks.

mkporter
09-14-2011, 03:25 PM
This thread is just crazytown. Are people really turning on Brandon Lloyd now? He was our best player last year. He is making $795,000 this year, and didn't hold out or otherwise make a big fuss about his contract. He's a little upset about how fans are treating his teammate and friend, and now he's a selfish malcontent?

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Brandon-Lloyd-working-out-with-Tim-Tebow.html

In the wake of his breakthrough season last year, Denver Broncos Pro Bowl wide receiver Brandon Lloyd recently worked out with quarterback Tim Tebow in Florida.

I thought it was good," Lloyd told 104.3 in Denver, per SportsRadioInterviews.com. "Its better for morale going into the season when you see how good of shape guys are in. Its kind of like, I want to see where dudes at with his training and guys want to see where were at so we have some confidence going into the season. Thats how I took it. It was good to see that Tims improving on his drops, hes improving on his timing, and within the first day we got into rhythm, within the first 20 minutes of it.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/believes-110528-lloyd-tebow.html

The intangibles, Lloyd said, smiling as he began talking about Tebow. You probably wont see another quarterback with those kind of intangibles, the heart, the desire, the passion, the will.

Its incredible. Its special, and I think once he gets the technical aspect down of being a quarterback, I think its just going to be unreal.

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 03:29 PM
This thread is just crazytown. Are people really turning on Brandon Lloyd now? He was our best player last year. He is making $795,000 this year, and didn't hold out or otherwise make a big fuss about his contract. He's a little upset about how fans are treating his teammate and friend, and now he's a selfish malcontent?

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Brandon-Lloyd-working-out-with-Tim-Tebow.html



http://www.gazette.com/articles/believes-110528-lloyd-tebow.html

Perhaps he should keep his mouth shut then? People will turn on you when you say stupid **** to reporters.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 03:30 PM
Link please. I don't believe it.

Can't find the one I'm thinking of... (i know, i know)

But here's the one about the "Tebow thing" and then also a link to the interview where he says wherever Kyle ends up will be "greener pastures"

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/

http://denver.cbslocal.com/video/6063716-brandon-lloyd-orton-will-probably-go-on-to-better-pastures/

I'll look some more but good lord is there a lot of articles on the Orton trade and our QB controversy and Brandon Lloyd being a **** stick.

UberBroncoMan
09-14-2011, 03:31 PM
He's a diva and spotlight queen. Nothing new here. At least he chose to play out his crappy contract after last year, so he has some humility.

Eldorado
09-14-2011, 03:33 PM
Can't find the one I'm thinking of... (i know, i know)

But here's the one about the "Tebow thing" and then also a link to the interview where he says wherever Kyle ends up will be "greener pastures"

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/

http://denver.cbslocal.com/video/6063716-brandon-lloyd-orton-will-probably-go-on-to-better-pastures/

I'll look some more but good lord is there a lot of articles on the Orton trade and our QB controversy and Brandon Lloyd being a **** stick.

Oh man. We need to get Lloyd on twatter, stat. It would be a ****ing gold mine.

UberBroncoMan
09-14-2011, 03:34 PM
Those are some mega confidence inspiring quotes.

...does he care about winning either, or just pumping up those #s in a contract year?

UH OH. Did I just out you, Brandon?!?!?! We all know Orton is your retirement plan you selfish douche.

To be fair man.

He had 263 yards, 2 TD's on 14 receptions in the three games Tebow started. Numbers that would easily give him his payday over a full season.

Would be about 1393 yards, 11 TD's and 74 receptions.

http://www.nfl.com/player/brandonlloyd/2505600/gamelogs?season=2010

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 03:38 PM
This. Pretty strange to spin support of the veteran starter as selfishness. Particularly when you take into account that Lloyd's production was basically the same with Tebow starting (as Pendejo's numbers showed earlier in the thread).

Strong point. Lloyd probably is right about most of the fan base being idiots.

Thank God he didnt call you a "6" though, eh?! Ha!

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 03:39 PM
To be fair man.

He had 263 yards, 2 TD's on 14 receptions in the three games Tebow started. Numbers that would easily give him his payday over a full season.

Would be about 1393 yards, 11 TD's and 74 receptions.

http://www.nfl.com/player/brandonlloyd/2505600/gamelogs?season=2010

I know what #s he had closing out the season. But does he? Read the thread title again :)

mkporter
09-14-2011, 03:40 PM
Perhaps he should keep his mouth shut then? People will turn on you when you say stupid **** to reporters.

So, having your QB's back is now selfish and stupid?

crawdad
09-14-2011, 03:45 PM
So, having your QB's back is now selfish and stupid?

That is according to the many Tebowidiots here on the Mane!

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 03:46 PM
So, having your QB's back is now selfish and stupid?

No.

Selfish and stupid: Telling fans to be quiet and what they're doing is "bull****" and that this is some Kyle Orton conspiracy instead of earned by god awful play and that even though he didn't perform "eventually [they'll] win games".

And why does he say these things? Contract year!

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 03:47 PM
That is according to the many Tebowidiots here on the Mane!

You're a ****ing tool.

bowtown
09-14-2011, 03:48 PM
Strong point. Lloyd probably is right about most of the fan base being idiots.

Thank God he didnt call you a "6" though, eh?! Ha!

Interesting you bring him up...

I wouldn't call winning scout team player of the year in 2009 all that selfish. I wouldn't call coming back the next year and re-signing with a team that gave you no real opportunities the year before selfish. I wouldn't call leading the league in receiving yards and then playing on 700,000 without a peep selfish, I wouldn't call reports of staying late at training camp to help the younger WRs with routes all that selfish.

Here's what I would consider childish, selfish and acting above the team:

Demanding a trade when your OC got canned. Getting bent out of shape when your name surfaces in trade talks. Refusing to call the coach or owner back. Having your daddy return your playbook. Having your agent angling for a new contract throughout the ordeal. Insinuating that you should have say in personel decisions on your new team.

I don't know... just seems like a weird comparison to me.

mkporter
09-14-2011, 03:53 PM
Can't find the one I'm thinking of... (i know, i know)

But here's the one about the "Tebow thing" and then also a link to the interview where he says wherever Kyle ends up will be "greener pastures"

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/02/broncos-players-unswayed-by-the-tebow-thing/

http://denver.cbslocal.com/video/6063716-brandon-lloyd-orton-will-probably-go-on-to-better-pastures/

I'll look some more but good lord is there a lot of articles on the Orton trade and our QB controversy and Brandon Lloyd being a **** stick.

More on the Tebow thing (you know for context, and stuff):

Its not Tebows place to say anything to the team because hes still a rookie, Lloyd said via SportsRadioInterviews.com. Hes a rookie, we are the veterans on the team, and our veterans speak. Brian Dawkins speaks . . . What I find funny about the whole Tebow thing is how well his passion has translated to the fans. We feel it as the players, but at the same time, hes just another player to us. Hes not how the public views him and not how you guys view him as being the instant leader. . . . Theres no animosity towards his popularity.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/29/brandon-lloyd-mcdaniels-may-still-be-coach-if-he-went-to-tim-tebow/

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 03:55 PM
So, having your QB's back is now selfish and stupid?

Supporting Orton as our starter is the very definition of stupid. Hmm...guess he's retarded after all...

mkporter
09-14-2011, 03:55 PM
No.

Selfish and stupid: Telling fans to be quiet and what they're doing is "bull****" and that this is some Kyle Orton conspiracy instead of earned by god awful play and that even though he didn't perform "eventually [they'll] win games".

And why does he say these things? Contract year!

Because he has his QB's back. It's not selfish to support your teammates. That's actually the opposite of selfish.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 03:55 PM
Interesting you bring him up...

I wouldn't call winning scout team player of the year in 2009 all that selfish.

I'm sorry... what? "Scout team player of the year".

Really?

I wouldn't call leading then coming back the next year and re-signing with a team that gave you no real opportunities the year before selfish.

You should listen to some interviews where he admitted teams had stopped calling him and he was preparing for life after football.

I wouldn't call leading the league in receiving yards and then playing on 700,000 without a peep selfish,

His career average outside of last year was 338 yards PER SEASON and had never come close to posting even a 1k season.

What do you think the contract offer wouldve been for that guy over 30 with 1 good season under his belt in his career at a speed position? Ha!

I wouldn't call reports of staying late at training camp to help the younger WRs with routes all that selfish.

Don't remember this, but okay, one example.

Here's what I would consider childish, selfish and acting above the team:

Demanding a trade when your OC got canned. Getting bent out of shape when your name surfaces in trade talks. Refusing to call the coach or owner back. Having your daddy return your playbook. Having your agent angling for a new contract throughout the ordeal. Insinuating that you should have say in personel decisions on your new team.

I don't know... just seems like a weird comparison to me.

Oooh that's not slanted at all... definitely sounds like an unbiased restating of facts!

What about asking for a trade just because you think the fans like your back-up better?

jhns
09-14-2011, 03:55 PM
Interesting you bring him up...

I wouldn't call winning scout team player of the year in 2009 all that selfish. I wouldn't call coming back the next year and re-signing with a team that gave you no real opportunities the year before selfish. I wouldn't call leading the league in receiving yards and then playing on 700,000 without a peep selfish, I wouldn't call reports of staying late at training camp to help the younger WRs with routes all that selfish.

Here's what I would consider childish, selfish and acting above the team:

Demanding a trade when your OC got canned. Getting bent out of shape when your name surfaces in trade talks. Refusing to call the coach or owner back. Having your daddy return your playbook. Having your agent angling for a new contract throughout the ordeal. Insinuating that you should have say in personel decisions on your new team.

I don't know... just seems like a weird comparison to me.

Damn. You don't have a single fact correct in regards to the Cutler situation. How can you be that wrong and still have the intelligence to type out a post?

bendog
09-14-2011, 03:56 PM
Demanding a trade when your OC got canned. Getting bent out of shape when your name surfaces in trade talks. Refusing to call the coach or owner back. Having your daddy return your playbook. Having your agent angling for a new contract throughout the ordeal. Insinuating that you should have say in personel decisions on your new team.

I don't know... just seems like a weird comparison to me.

If I'm Lambchop and I see McD coming in with the trade crap, I'm asking for a trade and doing everything I can to jam the arrogant incompetent little jerk to force the trade. And, I'd tell my teammates they shoud watch their backs with the little prick.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 03:56 PM
More on the Tebow thing (you know for context, and stuff):



http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/29/brandon-lloyd-mcdaniels-may-still-be-coach-if-he-went-to-tim-tebow/

Boy that quote from December sure seems consistent with what he said in July/August doesn't it?

::)

cutthemdown
09-14-2011, 03:58 PM
Still Orton gets no running game. Add some good runs to a 300 yrd day and he wins. Give Orton the 40 yrd td win, hit that FG and Broncos win etc etc. Not saying the dropped ball thing wasn't pathetic, it was, but the ball was wet. The interception was worst. Still I don't get the panic. You will get your chance to see Tebow and it will be at a point where even Brandon Lloyd is like ok give the kid his shot.

Most likely Orton is going to get injured at some point. His arm already looked hurt after then big hit he took late in the game. Either that or we lose so many games the coach now see's it as the right time to make a move.

mkporter
09-14-2011, 03:59 PM
Supportin Orton as our starter is the very definition of stupid. Hmm...guess he's retarded after all...

Not if he's your teammate. I want every player on our team to publicly support all of their teammates. It's part of the "team" concept. If Lloyd starts trashing Tebow when he's the starter, then we have a problem. It's Fox's job to decide who plays. It's the player's job to support his decisions.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 04:00 PM
Bowtown can you hit me with a link on this "Scout team player of the year" thing, because this is probably the funniest **** I've ever heard and I just can't seem to find anything about it.

bendog
09-14-2011, 04:00 PM
Actually, I think Orton was asking for a trade because he knew he was not in the team's longterm plans, and given how cheap bowlen's gone, you can bet the house that Den would have liked to avoid paying him for being on the roster.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 04:04 PM
Not if he's your teammate. I want every player on our team to publicly support all of their teammates. It's part of the "team" concept. If Lloyd starts trashing Tebow when he's the starter, then we have a problem. It's Fox's job to decide who plays. It's the player's job to support his decisions.

There's a way to do and there's a way to just shut the **** up.

Calling fans complaints "bull****" while admitting Orton played poorly is just ****ing stupid.

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 04:07 PM
Not if he's your teammate. I want every player on our team to publicly support all of their teammates. It's part of the "team" concept. If Lloyd starts trashing Tebow when he's the starter, then we have a problem. It's Fox's job to decide who plays. It's the player's job to support his decisions.

He can support him all he wants. He shouldn't want him as the starter though. Not if he wants to win. But he's a retard so he probably doesn't understand that.

Jason in LA
09-14-2011, 04:10 PM
Lloyd has been making pro-Orton comments all off season. It seems pretty simple. Lloyd saved his career with Orton throwing him the ball all season long, so he doesn't want a different QB. Lloyd has said he wants Orton because he gives the team the best chance of winning, but that's total BS. The Broncos are 4-19 in their last 24 games with Orton as the starter. Lloyd wants to make sure he continues to play at a high level stats wise, even if the team isn't playing well. Orton could very well throw for 300 yards a game, which would be nearly 5,000 yards, but the team would still suck, and so would Orton. But Lloyd would have his stats so he would be happy. He's just looking out for his best interest.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 04:12 PM
Lloyd has been making pro-Orton comments all off season. It seems pretty simple. Lloyd save his career with Orton throwing him the ball all season long, so he doesn't want a different QB. Lloyd has said he wants Orton because he gives the team the best chance of winning, but that's total BS. The Broncos are 4-19 in their last 24 games with Orton as the starter. Lloyd wants to make sure he continues to play at a high level stats wise, even if the team isn't playing well. Orton could very well throw for 300 yards a game, which would be nearly 5,000 yards, but the team would still suck, and so would Orton. But Lloyd would have his stats so he would be happy. He's just looking out for his best interest.

And what are these all signs of?

















Answer: Selfish retard. Like I've been saying :)

Jason in LA
09-14-2011, 04:14 PM
When Lloyd says that Orton gives them the best chance to win, he's pretty much saying that they can't win with Tebow. He should give a PC answer, like, "I'm in support of the best man for the job to be the quarterback, and the coaching staff believes that's Orton."

mkporter
09-14-2011, 04:14 PM
Boy that quote from December sure seems consistent with what he said in July/August doesn't it?

::)

I think it does. Lloyd probably feels that Tebow should be treated like every other player, and allowed to develop as the team see's fit. The "Tebow thing" is the massive amount of fan support he brought with him before setting foot at Bronco headquarters. Perhaps he feels that this has created an unfair negative opinion of his friend and teammate Orton. Orton has earned a good share of it, for sure, but the hatred burns hotter because of Tebow.

Lloyd obviously believes Tebow needs some more time to develop. Agree or disagree, it isn't an outlandish position to take. And you can't tell me with a straight face that you don't know what the "Tebow thing" is. How many new maners would throw on the ketchup and mustard of we traded him to the chorfs tomorrow? Quite a few. I'd be pissed, but I'll still be wearing predominantly orange.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 04:17 PM
I think it does. Lloyd probably feels that Tebow should be treated like every other player, and allowed to develop as the team see's fit. The "Tebow thing" is the massive amount of fan support he brought with him before setting foot at Bronco headquarters. Perhaps he feels that this has created an unfair negative opinion of his friend and teammate Orton. Orton has earned a good share of it, for sure, but the hatred burns hotter because of Tebow.

Lloyd obviously believes Tebow needs some more time to develop. Agree or disagree, it isn't an outlandish position to take. And you can't tell me with a straight face that you don't know what the "Tebow thing" is. How many new maners would throw on the ketchup and mustard of we traded him to the chorfs tomorrow? Quite a few. I'd be pissed, but I'll still be wearing predominantly orange.

...Who cares and what does that have to do with ANYTHING?

And Orton was getting booed by Bronco fans LONG before Tebow wore our shades of Orange and Blue

mkporter
09-14-2011, 04:20 PM
...Who cares and what does that have to do with ANYTHING?

And Orton was getting booed by Bronco fans LONG before Tebow wore our shades of Orange and Blue

Umm, it's kind of the epitome of the "Tebow thing" that we are talking about.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 04:25 PM
Umm, it's kind of the epitome of the "Tebow thing" that we are talking about.

Wtf...?

You were just posting a quote saying the lockerroom held no animosity towards Tebow for his built in popularity and IM the one who said that ran contrary to his August statements!

So wtf are you trying to say lol?

Regardless, Orton's been **** on EVERYWHERE he's gone.

No Tebow in Chicago.
No Tebow in Denver in 2008.

Why? Not because of Tebow. Because he sucks. So Tim's built in fan-base has nothing to do with Orton being a bottom of the barrel QB that doesn't deserve his job.

Blart
09-14-2011, 04:27 PM
Maybe, just maybe, the players and coaches agree that Orton is a better QB because he is actually a better QB. Weird right?

Of course, that would mean the contract-bonus conspiracy that Elway, Fox, Bowlen, Lloyd, Champ and everyone else is in on is false.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 04:30 PM
Maybe, just maybe, the players and coaches agree that Orton is a better QB because he is actually a better QB. Weird right?

Of course, that would mean the contract-bonus conspiracy that Elway, Fox, Bowlen, Lloyd, Champ and everyone else is in on is false.

Is it impossible? No.

Is it likely? Not even close. You watched MNF right?

If by some remote chance everything we saw out of Tebow last year and in the preseason was some coincidental miracle and he WAS worse than Kyle "Lol here take the ball Raiders!" Orton, then welcome to Denver Andrew Luck.

fontaine
09-14-2011, 04:33 PM
Rod Smith backed Brian Griese to the day he was benched. I never blame a player for defending another player that they're going to battle with.

No kidding.

What did Lloyd do again? Defend the starting QB and not create any media controversy.

As long as Lloyd continues to get open, stays out of trouble then he's doing his job. Lloyd is far from the problem on this team.

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 04:33 PM
Maybe, just maybe, the players and coaches agree that Orton is a better QB because he is actually a better QB. Weird right?

Of course, that would mean the contract-bonus conspiracy that Elway, Fox, Bowlen, Lloyd, Champ and everyone else is in on is false.

Or maybe they are a bunch of idiots. That first game seems to indicate one of those two possibilities. Can you figure out which?

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 04:35 PM
No kidding.

What did Lloyd do again? Defend the starting QB and not create any media controversy.

As long as Lloyd continues to get open, stays out of trouble then he's doing his job. Lloyd is far from the problem on this team.

Attacking the fans really isn't not creating any media controversy. You get that right?

mkporter
09-14-2011, 04:38 PM
Wtf...?

You were just posting a quote saying the lockerroom held no animosity towards Tebow for his built in popularity and IM the one who said that ran contrary to his August statements!

So wtf are you trying to say lol?

Regardless, Orton's been **** on EVERYWHERE he's gone.

No Tebow in Chicago.
No Tebow in Denver in 2008.

Why? Not because of Tebow. Because he sucks. So Tim's built in fan-base has nothing to do with Orton being a bottom of the barrel QB that doesn't deserve his job.

Here is what the **** I'm trying to say laugh out loud: Lloyd doesn't have animosity towards Tebow. He has animosity towards the "Tebow thing," which he sees as Tebow's legion of followers who want him to start regardless of what is in the best interest of the team. He feels that these "fan's" have unfairly amplified the criticism that Orton is getting. He obviously thinks Tebow needs more development, but he's been pretty complementary of him otherwise.

Disclaimer: Please note that I'm not saying that supporting Tebow means you don't want what is in the team's best interest. I want Tebow to start. But we all know there are plenty of fans that are only here because of Tebow.

Play2win
09-14-2011, 04:40 PM
No kidding.

What did Lloyd do again? Defend the starting QB and not create any media controversy.

As long as Lloyd continues to get open, stays out of trouble then he's doing his job. Lloyd is far from the problem on this team.

Not only that, but Lloyd is probably one of the better attributes on this team right now.

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 04:40 PM
Here is what the **** I'm trying to say laugh out loud: Lloyd doesn't have animosity towards Tebow. He has animosity towards the "Tebow thing," which he sees as Tebow's legion of followers who want him to start regardless of what is in the best interest of the team. He feels that these "fan's" have unfairly amplified the criticism that Orton is getting. He obviously thinks Tebow needs more development, but he's been pretty complementary of him otherwise.

Disclaimer: Please note that I'm not saying that supporting Tebow means you don't want what is in the team's best interest. I want Tebow to start. But, we all know there are plenty of fans that are only here because of Tebow.

If your post is true, Lloyd definitely is a retard. If he thinks that starting Orton is best for the team, all I can say is wow...

bowtown
09-14-2011, 04:41 PM
Bowtown can you hit me with a link on this "Scout team player of the year" thing, because this is probably the funniest **** I've ever heard and I just can't seem to find anything about it.

Sorry misremembered. He got named scout player of the week 5 times that year, not scout player of the year (suppose there's no such thing). That's still pretty humbling for a guy who, in his youth was selfish and did play with the wrong attitude. I just think that a player who almost loses his shot, can sometimes learn a thing or two and maybe change the way they approach the game and their business.

With all the truly selfish players that are in this league, to try and still pin that on a guy who has been absolutely nothing but unselfish since he arrived on this team, except to support the QB that the coaches have named the starter seems awfully seeped in an agenda to me. I really couldn't be more sick of this entire Orton, Tebow thing, to the point tat I'd rather just have them both off the team. I don't have a side, but it seems ****ty to me to start throwing other players on this team, who have done nothing but good stuff for us, under the bus. Looks like a witch hunt. Just my opinion.

Here's the link: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Lloyd-goes-from-forgotten-man-to-top-receiver-89918763

OBF1
09-14-2011, 04:42 PM
Where is the "Just stupid" option???

fontaine
09-14-2011, 04:42 PM
Lloyd has been making pro-Orton comments all off season. It seems pretty simple. Lloyd save his career with Orton throwing him the ball all season long, so he doesn't want a different QB. Lloyd has said he wants Orton because he gives the team the best chance of winning, but that's total BS. The Broncos are 4-19 in their last 24 games with Orton as the starter. Lloyd wants to make sure he continues to play at a high level stats wise, even if the team isn't playing well. Orton could very well throw for 300 yards a game, which would be nearly 5,000 yards, but the team would still suck, and so would Orton. But Lloyd would have his stats so he would be happy. He's just looking out for his best interest.

Take a look at the stats on the number of looks the primary WR gets from the team.

It doesn't matter who the QB is, the plays are designed to be stacked in favor of the primary WR.

Or does anyone think Royal/Decker and our no name TEs all of a sudden become better players because Tebow starts?
Hilarious!

If anything, Lloyd becomes even more important to this offense if Tebow becomes the starter.

mkporter
09-14-2011, 04:45 PM
Sorry misremembered. He got named scout player of the week 5 times that year, not scout player of the year (suppose there's no such thing). That's still pretty humbling for a guy who, in his youth was selfish and did play with the wrong attitude. I just think that a player who almost loses his shot, can sometimes learn a thing or two and maybe change the way they approach the game and their business. With all the truly selfish players that are in this league, to try and still pin tht on a guy who has been absolutely nothing but unselfish since he arrived on this team, except to support the QB that the coaches have named the starter seems awfully seeped in an agenda to me. I really couldn't be sicker of this entire Orton, Tebow thing, to the point tat I'd rather just have them both off the team. I don't have a side, but it seems ****ty to me to start throwing other players on this team, who have done nothing but good stuff for us, under the bus. Looks like a witch hunt. Just my opinion.

Here's the link: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Lloyd-goes-from-forgotten-man-to-top-receiver-89918763

Wish I would have said this... rep.

fontaine
09-14-2011, 04:46 PM
Attacking the fans really isn't not creating any media controversy. You get that right?

How did he attack the fans? He didn't flip off the fans, drink and drive, or do anything like some of the dumber WRs we've had here lately.

He called the idea of piling on Orton and just benching him bs.

THAT'S attacking the fans?

Rigs11
09-14-2011, 04:47 PM
wow so 'fans' are ready to drop players, coaches and GMs who support orton over the gifted one?and this is not insanity how?

Jason in LA
09-14-2011, 04:47 PM
Maybe, just maybe, the players and coaches agree that Orton is a better QB because he is actually a better QB. Weird right?


If Orton is the better QB, and gives the team a better chance at winning, then the Broncos will be in the running for Andrew Luck.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 05:00 PM
Sorry misremembered. He got named scout player of the week 5 times that year, not scout player of the year (suppose there's no such thing). That's still pretty humbling for a guy who, in his youth was selfish and did play with the wrong attitude. I just think that a player who almost loses his shot, can sometimes learn a thing or two and maybe change the way they approach the game and their business.

With all the truly selfish players that are in this league, to try and still pin that on a guy who has been absolutely nothing but unselfish since he arrived on this team, except to support the QB that the coaches have named the starter seems awfully seeped in an agenda to me. I really couldn't be more sick of this entire Orton, Tebow thing, to the point tat I'd rather just have them both off the team. I don't have a side, but it seems ****ty to me to start throwing other players on this team, who have done nothing but good stuff for us, under the bus. Looks like a witch hunt. Just my opinion.

Here's the link: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Lloyd-goes-from-forgotten-man-to-top-receiver-89918763

I'm still busy laughing about this scout team player of the week.

What a baller.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 05:02 PM
Here is what the **** I'm trying to say laugh out loud: Lloyd doesn't have animosity towards Tebow. He has animosity towards the "Tebow thing," which he sees as Tebow's legion of followers who want him to start regardless of what is in the best interest of the team. He feels that these "fan's" have unfairly amplified the criticism that Orton is getting. He obviously thinks Tebow needs more development, but he's been pretty complementary of him otherwise.

Disclaimer: Please note that I'm not saying that supporting Tebow means you don't want what is in the team's best interest. I want Tebow to start. But we all know there are plenty of fans that are only here because of Tebow.




























http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb380/Solnikonan/9-13-20114-47-21PM.jpg


Can't say I disagree with the "Tebow Thing"

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 05:04 PM
How did he attack the fans? He didn't flip off the fans, drink and drive, or do anything like some of the dumber WRs we've had here lately.

He called the idea of piling on Orton and just benching him bs.

THAT'S attacking the fans?

Calling the fans being sick of Orton BS certainly seems like an attack to me.

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 05:05 PM
wow so 'fans' are ready to drop players, coaches and GMs who support orton over the gifted one?and this is not insanity how?

Insanity is allowing Orton to start for a third straight year.

mkporter
09-14-2011, 05:20 PM
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Can't say I disagree with the "Tebow Thing"

Believe me, I disagree with what Lloyd said about Orton, but I can appreciate why he said it. The case for him being a selfish or retarded Bronco is pretty weak.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 05:21 PM
Believe me, I disagree with what Lloyd said about Orton, but I can appreciate why he said it. The case for him being a selfish or retarded Bronco is pretty weak.

Yup. Scout player of the week.

Serious business. Color me convinced.

mkporter
09-14-2011, 05:27 PM
Yup. Scout player of the week.

Serious business. Color me convinced.

You're right, him being upset about people booing his friend and teammate makes him selfish and retarded, and we should trade him for a fourth string DE. Pro-bowl production for the vet minimum is the sham here.

go_broncos
09-14-2011, 05:29 PM
Any one supporting Orton is a loser.

vancejohnson82
09-14-2011, 05:31 PM
Perhaps he should keep his mouth shut then? People will turn on you when you say stupid **** to reporters.

yup....real stupid to back your teammate

this place is absolutely insane

OABB
09-14-2011, 05:33 PM
Any one supporting Orton is a loser.

This. and also hates the broncos.

OABB
09-14-2011, 05:34 PM
yup....real stupid to back your teammate

this place is absolutely insane

Well the team mate he is backing is Kyle Orton, just to clarify.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 05:35 PM
You're right, him being upset about people booing his friend and teammate makes him selfish and retarded,

http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb380/Solnikonan/9-13-20114-47-21PM.jpg

and we should trade him for a fourth string DE. Pro-bowl production for the vet minimum is the sham here.

Gaffney's had 3x the career as Lloyd and that's precisely what we did there.

mkporter
09-14-2011, 05:48 PM
Gaffney's had 3x the career as Lloyd and that's precisely what we did there.

So now you'd rather have Gaffney instead of Lloyd? Sigh...

KevinJames
09-14-2011, 05:51 PM
Wow this board is full is pussies all of a sudden. Worshipping Tim Tebow to no extent sure we all want better play from the QB position but do you honestly have to bash everyone thats not pro-tebow.....

give me a break what should the guy say? "yeah we should bench our starting QB"

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 05:52 PM
So now you'd rather have Gaffney instead of Lloyd? Sigh...

Yup.

And I don't even really like Gaffney.

mkporter
09-14-2011, 06:06 PM
Yup.

And I don't even really like Gaffney.

Well, I guess we're done here then. Same time next week?

29186

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 06:10 PM
Well, I guess we're done here then. Same time next week?

29186

Hopefully not but knowing Lloyd, yup. Ha!

vancejohnson82
09-14-2011, 06:14 PM
Hopefully not but knowing Lloyd, yup. Ha!

is there anyone on the team you like?

eddie mac
09-14-2011, 06:15 PM
Far too much focus on what players say off the field. If they focused more on what they do on the field, then maybe we wouldn't have tanked on Monday night.

BTW if any WR needs calling out it's Eddie Royal. WTF has he done since 2008 and JC was throwing him the ball???

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 06:16 PM
is there anyone on the team you like?

Every single one of them outside of Orton, Lloyd and Goodman.

eddie mac
09-14-2011, 06:18 PM
Goodman was really **** on Monday night and to think we have him behind/opposite Bailey and **** all else.

mkporter
09-14-2011, 06:19 PM
Every single one of them outside of Orton, Lloyd and Goodman.

Paxton?
Moreno?
Walton?
Beadles?
McBean?
Quinn?

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 06:20 PM
Paxton?
Moreno?
Walton?
Beadles?
McBean?
Quinn?

Moreno and Walton are disappointments, but otherwise what reason is there to actually DISLIKE any of those guys?

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 06:22 PM
OH and I probably dislike Thomas too after his creepy ass involvement in Cox's raping.

vancejohnson82
09-14-2011, 06:32 PM
OH and I probably dislike Thomas too after his creepy ass involvement in Cox's raping.

haha...I'm thinking about repping you for not hating the rapist...just the creepy guy involved in it

mkporter
09-14-2011, 06:32 PM
Moreno and Walton are disappointments, but otherwise what reason is there to actually DISLIKE any of those guys?

I don't dislike any of them either, just curious at what point sucking is considered a valid reason to dislike a player.

mkporter
09-14-2011, 06:33 PM
haha...I'm thinking about repping you for not hating the rapist...just the creepy guy involved in it

Rapist isn't on the team.

OABB
09-14-2011, 06:33 PM
I don't dislike any of them either, just curious at what point sucking is considered a valid reason to dislike a player.

When they suck.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 06:34 PM
haha...I'm thinking about repping you for not hating the rapist...just the creepy guy involved in it

Cox was cut...

vancejohnson82
09-14-2011, 06:36 PM
Cox was cut...

true...still wanted to rep on that though

btw, for all the arguing we can do here, we can both agree that the involvement of THomas was creepy

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 06:47 PM
I don't dislike any of them either, just curious at what point sucking is considered a valid reason to dislike a player.

Goodman is the only player I dislike due to suck, but that's because he kinda disgraces the CB position and somehow gets praised for it.

bowtown
09-14-2011, 06:50 PM
Goodman is the only player I dislike due to suck, but that's because he kinda disgraces the CB position and somehow gets praised for it.

Disliking Goodman is really something everyone should try at least once in their lives. He's the anti-Champ.

Aftermath
09-14-2011, 06:50 PM
Im not a fan of Lloyd, I think he only cares about himself. Would rather have Thomas, Decker, Royal as are top 3.

TonyR
09-14-2011, 06:51 PM
We suck.

This isn't a criticism, particularly since I think you're more right than wrong, but just noting that you were among the more positive posters last season and now you're one of the more negative. I guess the "fool me once..." expression applies here? Tough times in Broncoland fo sho.

vancejohnson82
09-14-2011, 06:52 PM
Disliking Goodman is really something everyone should try at least once in their lives. He's the anti-Champ.

this is something we can all agree on

even a Dolphins fan on Monday said to me, "Holy ****, Goodman starts for you guys!"

TonyR
09-14-2011, 06:52 PM
Sadly, Lloyd is one of our better players.

mkporter
09-14-2011, 06:54 PM
Sadly, Lloyd is one of our better players.

I agree, but only because it would be ****ing awesome if all of our players were better than Lloyd.

Jason in LA
09-14-2011, 06:55 PM
Take a look at the stats on the number of looks the primary WR gets from the team.

It doesn't matter who the QB is, the plays are designed to be stacked in favor of the primary WR.

Or does anyone think Royal/Decker and our no name TEs all of a sudden become better players because Tebow starts?
Hilarious!

If anything, Lloyd becomes even more important to this offense if Tebow becomes the starter.

The offense will be different if Tebow starts long term. Lloyd may still be the top receiver on the team, but overall production from the passing game may change because of Tebow's style of play. I'd say that it's in Lloyd's best interest if that doesn't happen. Seeing that Tebow likes to go down field, I wouldn't be surprised if the passing yards went up. But that's an uncertain. For Lloyd, he knows that as long as Orton is the QB, he'll produce good stats. Seeing that Lloyd was damn near out of the league, he'd probably follow Orton anywhere he went.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 07:07 PM
Disliking Goodman is really something everyone should try at least once in their lives. He's the anti-Champ.

Oh please for the past 2 seasons all I've heard from this website is "Goodman's above average!" and "He's a good player that sometimes looks bad playing across from Champ!"

and many more.

The reality: He sucks SOOOOO hard. He's the Orton of CBs. A guy who you say "WTF is he doing starting!?" and no one can even answer it.

swaiy
09-14-2011, 07:08 PM
this is something we can all agree on

even a Dolphins fan on Monday said to me, "Holy ****, Goodman starts for you guys!"

What a shame. He's probably better than the CB they had covering Wes Welker's midget ass. What a way to end your tenure on a team. You get stiff-armed by Welker and burned for 99 yards. Then you get cut from your team 2 days after.

DBroncos4life
09-14-2011, 07:11 PM
Oh please for the past 2 seasons all I've heard from this website is "Goodman's above average!" and "He's a good player that sometimes looks bad playing across from Champ!"

and many more.

The reality: He sucks SOOOOO hard. He's the Orton of CBs. A guy who you say "WTF is he doing starting!?" and no one can even answer it.

He sucked when we signed him. People just waned to pimp McD's moves.

bowtown
09-14-2011, 07:13 PM
Oh please for the past 2 seasons all I've heard from this website is "Goodman's above average!" and "He's a good player that sometimes looks bad playing across from Champ!"

and many more.

The reality: He sucks SOOOOO hard. He's the Orton of CBs. A guy who you say "WTF is he doing starting!?" and no one can even answer it.

I couldn't agree more. No player on the team I dislike more.

Simple Jake
09-14-2011, 08:44 PM
Lloyd is a selfish player that doesn't want Tebow because he is friends with Orton and his stats will go down. He doesn't make sense because he is supporting something that doesn't make sense.

Alot of people think Orton should be the starter (not saying i'm one of them).. do they all just care about Brandon Lloyds stats too? Whether your right or wrong, your basing that off of your own opinion

Simple Jake
09-14-2011, 08:44 PM
I couldn't agree more. No player on the team I dislike more.

Worst tackler on the team

maven
09-14-2011, 08:47 PM
even a Dolphins fan on Monday said to me, "Holy ****, Goodman starts for you guys!"

There's a reason the Dolphins, ya know, didn't bring him back.

Chris
09-14-2011, 08:49 PM
We suck. Our coaches seem ok with that. Most of our players seem ok with that. The media is definitely ok with that because it makes their job real easy. The fact that we fans aren't ok with that is apparently an affront to these three groups. They all keep telling us we should take ****ty Orton start after ****ty Orton start and say "please sir, may I have another?"

This post is very un-Dreklike.

Simple Jake
09-14-2011, 08:49 PM
Yup.

And I don't even really like Gaffney.

HA!

fontaine
09-15-2011, 03:42 AM
The offense will be different if Tebow starts long term. Lloyd may still be the top receiver on the team, but overall production from the passing game may change because of Tebow's style of play. I'd say that it's in Lloyd's best interest if that doesn't happen. Seeing that Tebow likes to go down field, I wouldn't be surprised if the passing yards went up. But that's an uncertain. For Lloyd, he knows that as long as Orton is the QB, he'll produce good stats. Seeing that Lloyd was damn near out of the league, he'd probably follow Orton anywhere he went.

Then if that's the case why stop at just Orton?

Everyone KNEW that Fox and his staff would concentrate more on running the ball instead of airing it out like McD then if Lloyd was really all about his stats only then why not ask for a trade or a new contract BEFORE this season?

Lloyd hasn't changed as a person. He's still the same guy he was in the other places he's been cut from.

To think that in the past two seasons all of a sudden Lloyd has turned into some selfish retard and shouldn't be on this team next is well, pretty naive.

The guy is always who he was, when pretty much the entire fan base was cheering for him in his breakout season and last year.

Lloyd hasn't changed, it's the preception of certain fans.

Or does anyone seriously think that when Lloyd was having his great two years he was some sort of altruistic, team first, completely unselfish Rod Smith type of guys?

:rofl:

cutthemdown
09-15-2011, 04:22 AM
If Broncos keep losing Lloyd loses all his pull for Orton. This is exactly why Fox chose to wait. He probably figures Broncos so bad we lose enough games to miss playoffs with both qbs. Honestly I bet when it comes down to it the seasons win loss would be about the same with either QB. The Tebowners certainly don't think the oline, rbs play better, or that Tebow can help the linebackers make a play at some point?

What Tebow would do is probably turn ball over as much or more then Orton. He would also extend more 3rd downs with his legs. How much more we would score though is up for debate. It's safe to say though that if Orton keeps losing even the Brandon Lloyds will resign themselves to seeing what Tebow has to offer. If he does get in Lloyd should say when you scramble I go do deep, everytime lol.

Really though I am more bummed that I was right about Moreno. Not near physical enough of a body for contact, not fast enough to turn the corner, not elusive enough to avoid collisions or make defenders miss very often about sums up Moreno. I don't question his heart, he really tries hard you can tell. He is totally giving it 110% and for that I respect him. He's just not an NFL quality bell cow back. Really he's more like 3rd string/bkup player IMO.

Maghee has nothing left in the wheels but he can pick up short yardage. But without a faster back to make plays, its like Sammy Winder out there for Broncos.

Still though I thought Broncos fought hard last Sunday, I wasn't ashamed of them like last yr. Still I worry if they are this bloodied after first week how does this thin team, without much depth look in 10 weeks.

cutthemdown
09-15-2011, 04:26 AM
Also there is no proof Lloyd only wants Orton because he thinks his stats will be better and therefore he makes more money. He knows that if he stays healthy he will be a hot commodity on the market. So now Lloyd has to take Rod Smith comparisons because he sticks up for his QB. Really I bet Rod Smith would do the same thing. No way a guy like Rod Smith would say bench the QB before the coach said it.

I think people are forgetting what being a team player all about. Its about always doing what is best for the team. Lloyd should stay true to Orton until its time not to, which is when Tebow or Quinn the QB. The younger WR will follow his lead, its about being a good leader.

A few more days and my Raider avatar will go. Still glad I made the bet. Broncos really should have could have won. Blocked punt, Ortons stupid fumble, the pick, a history making 63 yrd fg, those aren't exactly game winning type plays. Hell Prater makes that FG we could have been looking at overtime.

I bet Broncos can beat the Bengals! 1-1 baby. Cmon you guys still want to win right? regardless of who the qb is?

Doggcow
09-15-2011, 04:57 AM
Also there is no proof Lloyd only wants Orton because he thinks his stats will be better and therefore he makes more money. He knows that if he stays healthy he will be a hot commodity on the market. So now Lloyd has to take Rod Smith comparisons because he sticks up for his QB. Really I bet Rod Smith would do the same thing. No way a guy like Rod Smith would say bench the QB before the coach said it.

I think people are forgetting what being a team player all about. Its about always doing what is best for the team. Lloyd should stay true to Orton until its time not to, which is when Tebow or Quinn the QB. The younger WR will follow his lead, its about being a good leader.

A few more days and my Raider avatar will go. Still glad I made the bet. Broncos really should have could have won. Blocked punt, Ortons stupid fumble, the pick, a history making 63 yrd fg, those aren't exactly game winning type plays. Hell Prater makes that FG we could have been looking at overtime.

I bet Broncos can beat the Bengals! 1-1 baby. Cmon you guys still want to win right? regardless of who the qb is?

Lol it's funny. I guess after that like half a decade and fewer than double digit wins, beating the Broncos really does become the Superbowl for some teams.

vancejohnson82
09-15-2011, 09:28 AM
Then if that's the case why stop at just Orton?

Everyone KNEW that Fox and his staff would concentrate more on running the ball instead of airing it out like McD then if Lloyd was really all about his stats only then why not ask for a trade or a new contract BEFORE this season?

Lloyd hasn't changed as a person. He's still the same guy he was in the other places he's been cut from.

To think that in the past two seasons all of a sudden Lloyd has turned into some selfish retard and shouldn't be on this team next is well, pretty naive.

The guy is always who he was, when pretty much the entire fan base was cheering for him in his breakout season and last year.

Lloyd hasn't changed, it's the preception of certain fans.

Or does anyone seriously think that when Lloyd was having his great two years he was some sort of altruistic, team first, completely unselfish Rod Smith type of guys?
:rofl:

he was selfish when it came to beating his wife....he never let anyone else do that

jhns
09-15-2011, 09:33 AM
Alot of people think Orton should be the starter (not saying i'm one of them).. do they all just care about Brandon Lloyds stats too? Whether your right or wrong, your basing that off of your own opinion

They must as it is the only thing Orton brings to the table.

TheReverend
09-15-2011, 09:37 AM
Or does anyone seriously think that when Lloyd was having his great two years

There hasn't been a 2nd one... in fact, last season aside, even only one mediocre year in his entire career (still sub par for a starter though)

fontaine
09-15-2011, 01:27 PM
There hasn't been a 2nd one... in fact, last season aside, even only one mediocre year in his entire career (still sub par for a starter though)

Yes, fair enough. You're right.

Mogulseeker
09-15-2011, 05:36 PM
Is Brandon Lloyd retarded?



Brandon Lloyd is smarter than 80% of the posters in this forum.

TheReverend
09-15-2011, 06:15 PM
Brandon Lloyd is smarter than 80% of the posters in this forum.

19 on the wonderlic. I find that hard to believe.

He's probably smart enough to seal the deal with a woman though, so he's got you beat.

Bob's your Information Minister
09-15-2011, 06:27 PM
There is no way you guys can dump Lloyd. You'd be left with 0 playmakers, barring an unexpected season from Slowshon.

Dedhed
09-15-2011, 06:30 PM
Brandon Lloyd with Orton= 74.5 yards/game
Brandon Lloyd with Tebow= 88 yards/game

Yeah.

SoCalBronco
09-15-2011, 06:30 PM
There is no way you guys can dump Lloyd. You'd be left with 0 playmakers, barring an unexpected season from Slowshon.

I don't want to trade him...he can definitely play, even if his comments are understandably based on self-interest, but we have other guys that I can /will prolly develop into playmakers....Decker for instance.

Mogulseeker
09-15-2011, 07:24 PM
19 on the wonderlic. I find that hard to believe.

He's probably smart enough to seal the deal with a woman though, so he's got you beat.

Isn't there another thread with you blowing Patrick Peterson... who happened to score in the single digits on the wonderlic.

Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brian Griese both had near perfect wonderlic scores... hmm.

Wonderlic tests more your ability to make quick, correct decisions rather than how smart you are. The two are related but not completely dependent on each other.

Lloyd is:
a. Speaking the truth.
b. Looking out for his own self-interest, which we all do.

Give the man a break. The NFL is a business, and he's been good for us and we've been good for him. And I for one love watching him play.

KipCorrington25
09-15-2011, 07:29 PM
His cornrows show he's a little slow to adapt to style, it's not 2003 anymore.

Gort
09-15-2011, 07:39 PM
19 on the wonderlic. I find that hard to believe.

He's probably smart enough to seal the deal with a woman though, so he's got you beat.

Lloyd's pretty well spoken. i'd be surprised if he got a 19. he comes across as smarter than your typical NFL player.

TheReverend
09-15-2011, 07:43 PM
Lloyd's pretty well spoken. i'd be surprised if he got a 19. he comes across as smarter than your typical NFL player.

Racist

Gort
09-15-2011, 07:47 PM
Racist

all kidding aside, if the wonderlic is scored on a scale from 0 to 50, i'd be flabbergasted if Lloyd only got a 19.

TonyR
09-15-2011, 08:13 PM
Lloyd is:
a. Speaking the truth.
b. Looking out for his own self-interest, which we all do.

Give the man a break. The NFL is a business, and he's been good for us and we've been good for him. And I for one love watching him play.

I have to agree. I don't really get why anyone would hate Lloyd.

mikey555
09-15-2011, 09:49 PM
The Broncos really need to go over some PR basics with their players.

You absolutely do not complain about fan discontent when your team has been an annual loser, is coming off of one of the worst years in franchise history, just lost at home in a self-described revenge game to a division rival that annihilated you on your home field last year in the most humiliating regular season loss in franchise history, with an offense that regularly goes 3-and-out when the team needs them to come through the most.

Are they trying to alienate their fans or what?

No that started rite after they built Mile High II,when they preferred the wine & cheese crowd to the ravenous faithful who had been supporting them for decades!

Mogulseeker
09-15-2011, 10:12 PM
Lloyd's pretty well spoken. i'd be surprised if he got a 19. he comes across as smarter than your typical NFL player.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3278318#post3278318

I specifically tried to avoid using the words "well-spoken", at the peril of sounding racist.

TheReverend
10-17-2011, 11:27 AM
Bump for new perspective from laundry whores?

Gort
10-17-2011, 11:33 AM
That's exactly what I'm saying.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=3278318#post3278318

I specifically tried to avoid using the words "well-spoken", at the peril of sounding racist.

since when is being "well spoken" a racist thing? does this have something to do with Oakland teaching ebonics in their public schools? ...i'm just axing.

TonyR
10-17-2011, 11:34 AM
Bump for new perspective from laundry whores?

LOL I think he saw your thread and wanted out. It's all your fault!

TheReverend
10-17-2011, 11:38 AM
LOL I think he saw your thread and wanted out. It's all your fault!

Right

Because he has no history of doing **** exactly like this

(I get that you're kidding around, just wanted an extra parting shot at this douche)

TonyR
10-17-2011, 11:40 AM
Gotta give you props for calling this. Not necessarily the trade but the fact that he was a big enough idiot that a talent starved team would practically give him away.

bowtown
10-17-2011, 11:42 AM
Bump for new perspective from laundry whores?

Yep, I guess once a prick always a prick. I'll just be over here with the scout team if you need me.

ColoradoDarin
10-17-2011, 11:53 AM
Retarded? No.

Selfish, stupid, transparent? Yes.

Bumped the smartest post :)

bendog
10-17-2011, 11:58 AM
since when is being "well spoken" a racist thing? does this have something to do with Oakland teaching ebonics in their public schools? ...i'm just axing.

Have you heard that guy von miller talk? I thought he was white at first!

TheReverend
10-17-2011, 12:00 PM
Gotta give you props for calling this. Not necessarily the trade but the fact that he was a big enough idiot that a talent starved team would practically give him away.

I'm more eager to show the "Lloyd makes no impact over other players" I said while people were calling him better than Marshall Ha! Guy will make some amazing catches... because he's too slow to get open and has to go over the top.

Give me the guy that can get open and can draw safety attention.

Threads like this, "Absolute Embarrassing" etc just don't go over well at the time because they're not positive on a losing team (gasp! amazing how that works out!). Give them a few months and hindsight and all the retards line up saying the same thing.

Pony Boy
10-17-2011, 12:02 PM
Well Lloyd's fantasy value will go through the roof ......

epicSocialism4tw
10-17-2011, 04:39 PM
neither player will be here next year....

He's a psychic, fools.

Rigs11
10-17-2011, 04:43 PM
I have to agree. I don't really get why anyone would hate Lloyd.

because he is not bowing down to the chosen one, that's why.

bowtown
10-17-2011, 05:12 PM
Threads like this, "Absolute Embarrassing" etc just don't go over well at the time because they're not positive on a losing team (gasp! amazing how that works out!). Give them a few months and hindsight and all the retards line up saying the same thing.

I don't know, I think Absolute Embarrassing was a HOF thread right from the get-go.