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TonyR
09-14-2011, 11:11 AM
Tim Tebow is a chemistry killer, a cancer, on an NFL team. And it's not his fault. Honest to God, it's not.

But it's the truth. Tim Tebow on your football team is a killer, something that goes way beyond distraction and shifts into disruption, or even destruction.

Because the thing is, fans love Tebow -- and not just in the way that fans typically love the backup quarterback. Fans love Tebow not because he's the backup quarterback, because his faults have yet to be exposed as clearly as the starter's faults have been exposed. I mean, they love him for that, yes. But they love him for more than that.

They love him because he's Tebow. The All-American boy. The Christian. The WASPiest WASP in this great big WASP nest we call America.

And because they love him in Denver, they hate Kyle Orton. They boo Orton even as he's throwing for 304 yards -- yes, he had a bad fumble -- but not just because Denver is losing. They boo Orton because he's not Tim Tebow.

And mind you, this would happen in any NFL city where Tebow was the backup quarterback. Well, almost any city. It wouldn't happen in New England or New Orleans or San Diego. It wouldn't happen in Green Bay or Atlanta. It might happen in Philadelphia, but probably not. Because Michael Vick is that good, just as Tom Brady and Drew Brees and Philip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers and Matt Ryan are that good. They are so good, they can withstand the cancer that is Tim Tebow.

And it's not Tebow's fault. I can't stress that enough. He doesn't go around undermining the starting quarterback, whoever it is. He doesn't curry favor in the locker room or kiss up to the coach or clamor for attention from fans. He doesn't do any of that. He just does his job, does his practice reps, does his media obligations. That's all he does.

It's the fans who do the rest.

This is your fault, Denver fans.

Read the rest here...........http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/story/15579357/tebows-adoring-fans-leave-destruction-in-their-wake

TonyR
09-14-2011, 11:15 AM
Memo to Broncos fans: Give Tebow time to develop

With six minutes left in Monday night's loss to Oakland, disgruntled Denver fans started calling for a new quarterback, but it wasn't backup Brady Quinn they wanted. It was Tim Tebow.

They urged new coach John Fox to do what his predecessor, Josh McDaniels, did a year ago and run the former Heisman Trophy winner on to the field and into the huddle.

Only Fox refused, and good for him. Better yet, good for Tim Tebow.

Because hard as it may be to swallow, Denver, Tebow's only chance of making it in the NFL is through careful study, hard work and, yep, a lot of sitting.

http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/story/15575063/memo-to-broncos-fans-give-tebow-time-to-develop

PRBronco
09-14-2011, 11:16 AM
And because they love him in Denver, they hate Kyle Orton. They boo Orton even as he's throwing for 304 yards -- yes, he had a bad fumble -- but not just because Denver is losing. They boo Orton because he's not Tim Tebow.


Read the rest here...........http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/story/15579357/tebows-adoring-fans-leave-destruction-in-their-wake

Methinks someone didn't watch the game!

zdoor
09-14-2011, 11:17 AM
That's a load of ****. I don't like Kyle Orton because he hasn't done shiat but lose and choke since he's been here. I would like to see what Tebow has because we spent a first round pick, he's shown flashes and Orton is taking us anywhere but mediocre at best... Another year of the same ole shiat is not what I want to see.

Tombstone RJ
09-14-2011, 11:18 AM
Tim Tebow is a chemistry killer, a cancer, on an NFL team. And it's not his fault. Honest to God, it's not.

But it's the truth. Tim Tebow on your football team is a killer, something that goes way beyond distraction and shifts into disruption, or even destruction.

Because the thing is, fans love Tebow -- and not just in the way that fans typically love the backup quarterback. Fans love Tebow not because he's the backup quarterback, because his faults have yet to be exposed as clearly as the starter's faults have been exposed. I mean, they love him for that, yes. But they love him for more than that.

They love him because he's Tebow. The All-American boy. The Christian. The WASPiest WASP in this great big WASP nest we call America.

And because they love him in Denver, they hate Kyle Orton. They boo Orton even as he's throwing for 304 yards -- yes, he had a bad fumble -- but not just because Denver is losing. They boo Orton because HE SUCKS.

And mind you, this would happen in any NFL city where Tebow was the backup quarterback. Well, almost any city. It wouldn't happen in New England or New Orleans or San Diego. It wouldn't happen in Green Bay or Atlanta. It might happen in Philadelphia, but probably not. Because Michael Vick is that good, just as Tom Brady and Drew Brees and Philip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers and Matt Ryan are that good. They are so good, they can withstand the cancer that is Tim Tebow.

And it's not Tebow's fault. I can't stress that enough. He doesn't go around undermining the starting quarterback, whoever it is. He doesn't curry favor in the locker room or kiss up to the coach or clamor for attention from fans. He doesn't do any of that. He just does his job, does his practice reps, does his media obligations. That's all he does.

It's the fans who do the rest.

This is your fault, Denver fans.

Read the rest here...........http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/story/15579357/tebows-adoring-fans-leave-destruction-in-their-wake

fixed it for this moron of a writer.

WolfpackGuy
09-14-2011, 11:19 AM
Bore-ton gets booed because he sucks!

And the author has it wrong.

It's not our fault, it's McClueless' fault for this whole f**kin mess!

Archer81
09-14-2011, 11:21 AM
I am really tired of being told I am stupid for not liking what Kyle Orton does on the field; especially by a bag of dildos that do sports writing for a living.

:Broncos:

Smiling Assassin27
09-14-2011, 11:21 AM
You want someone to blame for all this, blame Orton. His lack of fire, his inability to execute when the game's on the line, and his RECORD AS A STARTER have created this situation, not Tim Tebow, who's been a good soldier in his silence and work ethic.

If this dude doesn't like the fans calling for Tebow, the answer is as easy as O-R-T-O-N. Blaming the fans is pure rubbish. The media anoints Orton as the guy who should start and now are actively overlooking his poor performance. Reminds me of a certain president.

alkemical
09-14-2011, 11:22 AM
It's just like Biscuit Kids...

TonyR
09-14-2011, 11:24 AM
You guys don't realize it but you're agreeing with the article. He's pretty much saying this would happen in any city that doesn't have a good QB. By saying "Orton is the suck!!!" you're saying Denver is one of those cities, right?

...this would happen in any NFL city where Tebow was the backup quarterback. Well, almost any city. It wouldn't happen in New England or New Orleans or San Diego. It wouldn't happen in Green Bay or Atlanta. It might happen in Philadelphia, but probably not. Because Michael Vick is that good, just as Tom Brady and Drew Brees and Philip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers and Matt Ryan are that good. They are so good, they can withstand the cancer that is Tim Tebow.

TonyR
09-14-2011, 11:25 AM
I am really tired of being told I am stupid for not liking what Kyle Orton does on the field...

Does Doyel say anywhere that you should? You guys are spinning worse than the professional spinner!

DBroncos4life
09-14-2011, 11:26 AM
Luck and Tebow on the same roster would be the same crap different year.

bronco militia
09-14-2011, 11:26 AM
300 YARDS PASSING = WINNING

I'm sure fantasy owners rejoiced Uhh

Pendejo
09-14-2011, 11:27 AM
That's a load of ****. I don't like Kyle Orton because he hasn't done shiat but lose and choke since he's been here. I would like to see what Tebow has because we spent a first round pick, he's shown flashes and Orton is taking us anywhere but mediocre at best... Another year of the same ole shiat is not what I want to see.

Media honks act as if we haven't been watching stumble around on the field for years now. Monday night's game wasn't an aberration it's the norm.

WolfpackGuy
09-14-2011, 11:29 AM
After what game did anyone say: "I'm sure glad they have that Kyle Orton!"

Archer81
09-14-2011, 11:30 AM
Does Doyel say anywhere that you should? You guys are spinning worse than the professional spinner!


The entire atricle you posted makes it appear that fans are 1. stupid and 2. should just deal with Orton starting.

How about no? Bronco fans boo consistently bad QB play. We then have talking heads tell us we should not boo because we simply don't understand what is really happening on the field.

:Broncos:

Kaylore
09-14-2011, 11:30 AM
Yeah people root for Tebow because he's a white protestant in a white protestant country. And we don't like Kyle Orton because he is a black Jew, clearly. What a stupid article.

bronco militia
09-14-2011, 11:30 AM
? You guys are spinning worse than the professional spinner!

wait, what

Ha!

tsiguy96
09-14-2011, 11:30 AM
maybe orton should play to a level that there isnt a doubt as to who the starter will be?

Kaylore
09-14-2011, 11:32 AM
maybe orton should play to a level that there isnt a doubt as to who the starter will be?

Sandy Clough mentioned this on his show after the loss. He essentially said some of the things being said are unfair and cruel. And while he agreed he basically said "you gotta play better." If Orton wants to silence his critics, play better.

Taco John
09-14-2011, 11:32 AM
Media honks act as if we haven't been watching stumble around on the field for years now. Monday night's game wasn't an aberration it's the norm.

After examining the stats, I can't agree with this. I thought the same as you are saying, but after digging into the stats I found that Orton was absolutely terrible between passes 10 and 30. This was about the same time as the monsoon drenched the field. I'm not trying to make excuses for Orton, but when I look at his game last night statistically and compare it to Orton from last season, it's the tale of two different players. Last season, Orton was steady from the first pass to the last pass - he wasn't necessarily "good," but he was consistently about an 86.0 passer rating. During this last game, he took a serious dip in performance in the middle, but looked good on the first 10 passes and on the last 15.

WolfpackGuy
09-14-2011, 11:33 AM
maybe orton should play to a level that there isnt a doubt as to who the starter will be?

Pretty much.

But we all know when push comes to shove, he runs into the open arms of a defender.

jhns
09-14-2011, 11:34 AM
I disliked Orton being the startinv QB here long before Tebow showed up. He was booed in his first training camp, long before Tebow showed up.

The conspiracy theories are retarded. People don't want Orton starting becauee he sucks. Thet like Tebow better because he has proven he can outproduce Orton. Sure, he had some fans follow him from Florida, and those fans are a very small minority.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 11:35 AM
Yeah people root for Tebow because he's a white protestant in a white protestant country. And we don't like Kyle Orton because he is a black Jew, clearly. What a stupid article.

lol this. FFS a LOT of people are even screaming for Quinn.

It's not because of Tebow we boo Orton... it's because of Kyle ****ing Orton.

tsiguy96
09-14-2011, 11:36 AM
Pretty much.

But we all know when push comes to shove, he runs into the open arms of a defender.

all this talk and bs that the media tries to bring forth about why tebow shouldnt start, maybe they should look at ortons body of work when ti matters.

PRBronco
09-14-2011, 11:36 AM
The entire atricle you posted makes it appear that fans are 1. stupid and 2. should just deal with Orton starting.

How about no? Bronco fans boo consistently bad QB play. We then have talking heads tell us we should not boo because we simply don't understand what is really happening on the field.

:Broncos:

LJ and Andrew Mason are pretty snippy about it via twitter too.

bronco militia
09-14-2011, 11:36 AM
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16088886/ortondriving6.gif

Drek
09-14-2011, 11:37 AM
After examining the stats, I can't agree with this. I thought the same as you are saying, but after digging into the stats I found that Orton was absolutely terrible between passes 10 and 30. This was about the same time as the monsoon drenched the field. I'm not trying to make excuses for Orton, but when I look at his game last night statistically and compare it to Orton from last season, it's the tale of two different players. Last season, Orton was steady from the first pass to the last pass - he wasn't necessarily "good," but he was consistently about an 86.0 passer rating. During this last game, he took a serious dip in performance in the middle, but looked good on the first 10 passes and on the last 15.

Except for the whole "red zone" thing.

Taco John
09-14-2011, 11:38 AM
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16088886/ortondriving6.gif

That image would make more sense if it was Lloyd in the passenger seat.

Taco John
09-14-2011, 11:38 AM
Except for the whole "red zone" thing.

Not to mention 3rd down.

WolfpackGuy
09-14-2011, 11:38 AM
all this talk and bs that the media tries to bring forth about why tebow shouldnt start, maybe they should look at ortons body of work when ti matters.

It's too easy just to sit back and say he put up some good fantasy points.

bronco militia
09-14-2011, 11:39 AM
That image would make more sense if it was Lloyd in the passenger seat.

umm, no ...this one went right over your head

jhns
09-14-2011, 11:39 AM
After examining the stats, I can't agree with this. I thought the same as you are saying, but after digging into the stats I found that Orton was absolutely terrible between passes 10 and 30. This was about the same time as the monsoon drenched the field. I'm not trying to make excuses for Orton, but when I look at his game last night statistically and compare it to Orton from last season, it's the tale of two different players. Last season, Orton was steady from the first pass to the last pass - he wasn't necessarily "good," but he was consistently about an 86.0 passer rating. During this last game, he took a serious dip in performance in the middle, but looked good on the first 10 passes and on the last 15.

What?

We punted the first series after a couple of good passes, then completely faioed when the defense put them in the red zone. If I remember right, that was three straight Orton passes that didn't go anywhere. Then, failure in the red zone was the norm for Orton.

DBroncos4life
09-14-2011, 11:39 AM
It's too easy just to sit back and say he put up some good fantasy points.

You people saying this cracks me up like people really have Orton as their starting FF QB. Hilarious!

deltbucs
09-14-2011, 11:42 AM
Article is pretty spot on. You Broncos' fans had the whole bar that I was at laughing chanting for your 3rd string QB while your starter is in the midst of trying to orchestrate a 4th quarter comeback. You guys are hilarious!

TonyR
09-14-2011, 11:45 AM
Not to mention 3rd down.

I'm not defending Orton's poor play but we were 6/13 on 3rd down. Not great but not terrible either, right? The Raiders were worse at 5/14...

Taco John
09-14-2011, 11:45 AM
What?

We punted the first series after a couple of good passes, then completely faioed when the defense put them in the red zone. If I remember right, that was three straight Orton passes that didn't go anywhere. Then, failure in the red zone was the norm for Orton.

Orton was 7 for 10 in his first 10 passes.
He was 3 for 10 in his second 10.
He was 4 for 10 in his third 10.
He was 10 for 16 with a TD to close the game.

bronco militia
09-14-2011, 11:46 AM
while your starter is in the midst of trying to orchestrate a 4th quarter comeback. You guys are hilarious!

so how did that go? like the last one?

KNEW IT! Ha!

WolfpackGuy
09-14-2011, 11:47 AM
You people saying this cracks me up like people really have Orton as their starting FF QB. Hilarious!

I know, right?

An over exaggeration, but that's the general feedback I get around other fans that bother to discuss the Broncos' terrible situation without laughing in my face.

"Yeah, but look at his stats!"

Obviously, they don't watch him game in and game out.

bendog
09-14-2011, 11:47 AM
Article is pretty spot on. You Broncos' fans had the whole bar that I was at laughing chanting for your 3rd string QB while your starter is in the midst of trying to orchestrate a 4th quarter comeback. You guys are hilarious!

You think it's different anywhere eles? The first teamer struggles, the fans always call for the new guy. Quinn sucks, everyone knows that, even the Jo****es who still defend the Hillis trade. Tebow was probably the best college qb ever. Fans want to see him.

epicSocialism4tw
09-14-2011, 11:52 AM
Tim Tebow is a chemistry killer, a cancer, on an NFL team. And it's not his fault. Honest to God, it's not.

But it's the truth. Tim Tebow on your football team is a killer, something that goes way beyond distraction and shifts into disruption, or even destruction.

Because the thing is, fans love Tebow -- and not just in the way that fans typically love the backup quarterback. Fans love Tebow not because he's the backup quarterback, because his faults have yet to be exposed as clearly as the starter's faults have been exposed. I mean, they love him for that, yes. But they love him for more than that.

They love him because he's Tebow. The All-American boy. The Christian. The WASPiest WASP in this great big WASP nest we call America.

And because they love him in Denver, they hate Kyle Orton. They boo Orton even as he's throwing for 304 yards -- yes, he had a bad fumble -- but not just because Denver is losing. They boo Orton because he's not Tim Tebow.

And mind you, this would happen in any NFL city where Tebow was the backup quarterback. Well, almost any city. It wouldn't happen in New England or New Orleans or San Diego. It wouldn't happen in Green Bay or Atlanta. It might happen in Philadelphia, but probably not. Because Michael Vick is that good, just as Tom Brady and Drew Brees and Philip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers and Matt Ryan are that good. They are so good, they can withstand the cancer that is Tim Tebow.

And it's not Tebow's fault. I can't stress that enough. He doesn't go around undermining the starting quarterback, whoever it is. He doesn't curry favor in the locker room or kiss up to the coach or clamor for attention from fans. He doesn't do any of that. He just does his job, does his practice reps, does his media obligations. That's all he does.

It's the fans who do the rest.

This is your fault, Denver fans.

Read the rest here...........http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/story/15579357/tebows-adoring-fans-leave-destruction-in-their-wake

Spoken like someone who doesn't know the story in Denver, and is just trying to generate clicks.

bowtown
09-14-2011, 11:52 AM
I'm ready to be done with them both.

epicSocialism4tw
09-14-2011, 11:54 AM
Article is pretty spot on. You Broncos' fans had the whole bar that I was at laughing chanting for your 3rd string QB while your starter is in the midst of trying to orchestrate a 4th quarter comeback. You guys are hilarious!

Orton has a history of not coming through for the Broncos, and he was in the process of following that pattern. Broncos fans knew what time it was.

deltbucs
09-14-2011, 11:59 AM
You think it's different anywhere eles? The first teamer struggles, the fans always call for the new guy. Quinn sucks, everyone knows that, even the Jo****es who still defend the Hillis trade. Tebow was probably the best college qb ever. Fans want to see him.

It's not like it was an unsurmountable lead. Orton throws for a couple first downs, then thrown one away when he has a free rusher coming in his face. Then you just hear a wave of boos and "Tebow, Tebow".

ROFL!

jhns
09-14-2011, 12:01 PM
Orton was 7 for 10 in his first 10 passes.
He was 3 for 10 in his second 10.
He was 4 for 10 in his third 10.
He was 10 for 16 with a TD to close the game.

Comlleted passes don't tell you a lot. They started losing, which made them try to throw down the field more and we couldn't do that. Again, he(or the passing game) completely failed when the defense put him in the red zone on his second series. That was before any rain.

OABB
09-14-2011, 12:01 PM
It's not like it was an unsurmountable lead. Orton throws for a couple first downs, then thrown one away when he has a free rusher coming in his face. Then you just hear a wave of boos and "Tebow, Tebow".

ROFL!

I think you are forgetting a few other plays. like the fumble? or the last two years?

Tombstone RJ
09-14-2011, 12:02 PM
It's not like it was an unsurmountable lead. Orton throws for a couple first downs, then thrown one away when he has a free rusher coming in his face. Then you just hear a wave of boos and "Tebow, Tebow".

ROFL!

Obviously you don't watch a lot of Broncos football. Orton is not a come-from-behind QB brosef. The Broncos offense was struggling all night long due to the fact that they missed easy scoring opportunities early and the offense was never in sink.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-14-2011, 12:05 PM
The reasons fans were screaming for Tebow was because 1) Kyle's interception, 2) Kyle's phantom fumble, 3) Kyle's ineptitude at the goal line, 4) Kyle's bout with inaccuracy as the game wore on. If the broncos were rolling, that crowd would have supported him.

This is horse****.

bendog
09-14-2011, 12:07 PM
It's not like it was an unsurmountable lead. Orton throws for a couple first downs, then thrown one away when he has a free rusher coming in his face. Then you just hear a wave of boos and "Tebow, Tebow".

ROFL!

blow back out, if you don't mind. Look, even I thing the folks calling for Tebow are really people who have little football knowledge. Orton is the better qb, at this time. But when the team is clearly just crap and the best case is maybe six wins, and that's not gonna happen after Mon night, it's just being a b**** to criticize fans who want to see the best college player ever get a shot.

Personally, my guess is that Dove Valley wants to give tebow as much practice time as possible before the inevitable benching of Orton.

broncosteven
09-14-2011, 12:10 PM
After examining the stats, I can't agree with this. I thought the same as you are saying, but after digging into the stats I found that Orton was absolutely terrible between passes 10 and 30. This was about the same time as the monsoon drenched the field. I'm not trying to make excuses for Orton, but when I look at his game last night statistically and compare it to Orton from last season, it's the tale of two different players. Last season, Orton was steady from the first pass to the last pass - he wasn't necessarily "good," but he was consistently about an 86.0 passer rating. During this last game, he took a serious dip in performance in the middle, but looked good on the first 10 passes and on the last 15.

By Monsoon do you meant the Raiders bringing safety's and LB's free from all points of the D or do you mean the rain.

I thought once it was clear that Denver had no chance for a run game the raiders just blitzed like it was an online Madden game.

jhns
09-14-2011, 12:11 PM
blow back out, if you don't mind. Look, even I thing the folks calling for Tebow are really people who have little football knowledge. Orton is the better qb, at this time. But when the team is clearly just crap and the best case is maybe six wins, and that's not gonna happen after Mon night, it's just being a b**** to criticize fans who want to see the best college player ever get a shot.

Personally, my guess is that Dove Valley wants to give tebow as much practice time as possible before the inevitable benching of Orton.

Orton is a better QB that produces less from the QB position. Intelligent.

jhns
09-14-2011, 12:13 PM
By Monsoon do you meant the Raiders bringing safety's and LB's free from all points of the D or do you mean the rain.

I thought once it was clear that Denver had no chance for a run game the raiders just blitzed like it was an online Madden game.

They did show that our offensive coordinator and QB have no answers for the blitz. It is going to be a long season if they don't figure out how to make defenses pay for bringing extra guys.

epicSocialism4tw
09-14-2011, 12:13 PM
The reasons fans were screaming for Tebow was because 1) Kyle's interception, 2) Kyle's phantom fumble, 3) Kyle's ineptitude at the goal line, 4) Kyle's bout with inaccuracy as the game wore on. If the broncos were rolling, that crowd would have supported him.
This is horse****.

Yep.

The stands were literally shaking. That place was ready to go. Kyle was right when he said that the way to gain support in Denver was to win games. He will not gain support when he continues to choke in the red zone and continues to fail in the clutch.

Monday night was a classic Orton performance: decent passing yardage, poor completion percentage, poorly-timed turnovers, inability to put the ball in the end zone.

Denver fans look at that and say "Why don't we play Tebow...he wouldn't be any worse than that and he could possibly have better results in the red zone."

Denver fans boo because we have already seen this play out, and its almost as if Fox is oblivious to what has already taken place here.

JDB7821
09-14-2011, 12:16 PM
blow back out, if you don't mind. Look, even I thing the folks calling for Tebow are really people who have little football knowledge. Orton is the better qb, at this time. But when the team is clearly just crap and the best case is maybe six wins, and that's not gonna happen after Mon night, it's just being a b**** to criticize fans who want to see the best college player ever get a shot.

Personally, my guess is that Dove Valley wants to give tebow as much practice time as possible before the inevitable benching of Orton.

I keep hearing that Orton is the better quarterback right now and I had him on a fantasy team last year and he won me a couple of games. I saw all of the game on Monday and Orton looks horrible. When you have a horrible quarterback that is NOT in your future plans, you don't play him ahead of someone who could be. If Orton could legitimately win you at least 9 games this year, you play him. But what I saw was a quarterback who might win 5. Tebow can win 5 games, there's no doubt in my mind. That's where the media fail to realize what's in the best interest of the team in the LONG RUN. If you're going to win 5 games anyway, you play Tebow. End of story. I can't believe they would back a quarterback for a quick fix who isn't fixing anything at all.

Gort
09-14-2011, 12:22 PM
I am really tired of being told I am stupid for not liking what Kyle Orton does on the field; especially by a bag of dilrods that do sports writing for a living.

:Broncos:

that writer is clueless. the people who jumped on the Broncos bandwagon because of Tebow are not the type to complain that he isn't starting. the ones complaining are long-suffering fans who haven't been to a superbowl since Elway and who see Orton for what he is and know that he is not the QBOTF for this franchise.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 12:26 PM
I am really tired of being told I am stupid for not liking what Kyle Orton does on the field; especially by a bag of dilrods that do sports writing for a living.

:Broncos:

Worse it's ALWAYS by people that clearly don't watch him or a serious agenda...

bendog
09-14-2011, 12:28 PM
I keep hearing that Orton is the better quarterback right now and I had him on a fantasy team last year and he won me a couple of games. I saw all of the game on Monday and Orton looks horrible. When you have a horrible quarterback that is NOT in your future plans, you don't play him ahead of someone who could be. If Orton could legitimately win you at least 9 games this year, you play him. But what I saw was a quarterback who might win 5. Tebow can win 5 games, there's no doubt in my mind. That's where the media fail to realize what's in the best interest of the team in the LONG RUN. If you're going to win 5 games anyway, you play Tebow. End of story. I can't believe they would back a quarterback for a quick fix who isn't fixing anything at all.

You seem to assume that Elway and Fox aren't knowlegable enough to know this. They are, and they know. I don't know what you "saw." If Tebow right now could take snaps under center, make a five step and two reads, he'd be playing. He could not do that in preseason. At some pt, Dove Valley will have no choice because of fan pressure. Hopefully Tebow will be up to it.

jhns
09-14-2011, 12:30 PM
You seem to assume that Elway and Fox aren't knowlegable enough to know this. They are, and they know. I don't know what you "saw." If Tebow right now could take snaps under center, make a five step and two reads, he'd be playing. He could not do that in preseason. At some pt, Dove Valley will have no choice because of fan pressure. Hopefully Tebow will be up to it.

He can't do something that he did all of preseason, in preseason? That makes sense!

bendog
09-14-2011, 12:32 PM
Tebow couldn't make plays from the pocket in preseason. He was still taking off and running because he didn't make the reads. Live with it.

They'll put him in eventually, but unless he can take the center snap, make the five step, make two reads and deliver the ball, he's not gonna be "the guy."

OABB
09-14-2011, 12:34 PM
Tebow couldn't make plays from the pocket in preseason. He was still taking off and running because he didn't make the reads. Live with it.

They'll put him in eventually, but unless he can take the center snap, make the five step, make two reads and deliver the ball, he's not gonna be "the guy."

what pocket was that exactly?

frerottenextelway
09-14-2011, 12:34 PM
Yeah people root for Tebow because he's a white protestant in a white protestant country. And we don't like Kyle Orton because he is a black Jew, clearly. What a stupid article.

I laughed.

bendog
09-14-2011, 12:35 PM
what pocket was that exactly?

There is that. this is a really, really bad team.

jhns
09-14-2011, 12:35 PM
Tebow couldn't make plays from the pocket in preseason. He was still taking off and running because he didn't make the reads. Live with it.

They'll put him in eventually, but unless he can take the center snap, make the five step, make two reads and deliver the ball, he's not gonna be "the guy."

He made plays from the pocket and made plays out of it. Thanks for confirming the fact that you don't actually watch the games.

Smiling Assassin27
09-14-2011, 12:35 PM
Yeah people root for Tebow because he's a white protestant in a white protestant country. And we don't like Kyle Orton because he is a black Jew, clearly. What a stupid article.

Yeah, but he's hung like a eunuch from Burkina Faso.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 12:36 PM
Tebow couldn't make plays from the pocket in preseason. He was still taking off and running because he didn't make the reads. Live with it.

They'll put him in eventually, but unless he can take the center snap, make the five step, make two reads and deliver the ball, he's not gonna be "the guy."

<iframe width="560" height="345" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ZRZkYEHp3MA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

1:35

Keep up the good work!

OABB
09-14-2011, 12:36 PM
There is that. this is a really, really bad team.

true. and the backups are even worse. It's a wonder Tebow led the preseason in qb rating.

Gort
09-14-2011, 12:38 PM
Tebow couldn't make plays from the pocket in preseason. He was still taking off and running because he didn't make the reads. Live with it.

They'll put him in eventually, but unless he can take the center snap, make the five step, make two reads and deliver the ball, he's not gonna be "the guy."

he was taking off and running because our 2nd team OL is worse than our 1st team OL by a wide margin.

i don't like the "slander his mental abilities when you don't have any other reason to explain why he isn't playing" arguments that come up here. i can get that nonsense from idiots at a bar if i wanted to. it wasn't true when it was said about Hillis and it isn't true when it is said about Tebow.

the truth about why Tebow isn't the starting QB is much more complicated and involves many factors. Elway and Fox apparently do have a preference for a pocket passer. Tebow is young and still learning. Orton is the veteran starter who has made it know he'll be a problem in the locker room if he's not benched. Orton has more game time experience running this sort of offense. etc.

can we stop with the nonsense that portrays Tebow as some sort of sandlot player who can only draw up 2 plays in the sand, "everybody go long" and "QB keeper".

Dagmar
09-14-2011, 12:43 PM
You people saying this cracks me up like people really have Orton as their starting FF QB. Hilarious!

Well, the poor suckers who did an auto draft and got Peyton Manning. I know a bloke who got Manning and Orton, he dropped Manning for Fitzpatrick and started Orton. Huge huge mistake.

bendog
09-14-2011, 12:43 PM
true. and the backups are even worse. It's a wonder Tebow led the preseason in qb rating.

not really. They're running small game plans with defenses that have small game plans. No one that I know of doubts that Tebow has huge skills. He can get outside the pocket, and he's an accurate deep/middle range thrower. He's great in freelancing situations. Problem was he was unable to execute the play as designed even when the right play was called against whatever the defense did. I didn't see or read anything other than Tebow was improving. He's gonna play sometime, and Den's not gonna win a lot of games.

To me the hysteria of orton v. tebow has to be more than just football. I mean I remember when we were hoping Saban would bench Tensi for Al Pastrana, of course it turned out Pastrana sucked too. If Tebow busts, the fallout will be epic.

vonqkilla
09-14-2011, 12:44 PM
Tebow has no suport in dove valley. I think all our qbs are gone next year.

bendog
09-14-2011, 12:44 PM
can we stop with the nonsense that portrays Tebow as some sort of sandlot player who can only draw up 2 plays in the sand, "everybody go long" and "QB keeper".[/QUOTE]

as soon as he shows he can play in the pocket, sure.

deltbucs
09-14-2011, 12:44 PM
I think you are forgetting a few other plays. like the fumble? or the last two years?

So you honestly think chanting the kids name that can't beat out Brady Quinn for a backup QB role is the answer? Seriously.....You guys have to be playing a joke on everyone. There can't really be this many people in Denver that comprehend so little about the NFL. There just can't be.

bendog
09-14-2011, 12:46 PM
So you honestly think chanting the kids name that can't beat out Brady Quinn for a backup QB role is the answer? Seriously.....You guys have to be playing a joke on everyone. There can't really be this many people in Denver that comprehend so little about the NFL. There just can't be.

what team are you a fan of?

TailgateNut
09-14-2011, 12:46 PM
Yeah people root for Tebow because he's a white protestant in a white protestant country. And we don't like Kyle Orton because he is a black Jew, clearly. What a stupid article.


Read and try to comprehend the intent of the article. Like it or not, it is true.

He is a cancer, at least until he becomes a succesful starter, if that's possible.

Gort
09-14-2011, 12:47 PM
To me the hysteria of orton v. tebow has to be more than just football. I mean I remember when we were hoping Saban would bench Tensi for Al Pastrana, of course it turned out Pastrana sucked too. If Tebow busts, the fallout will be epic.

it is. it's about:

1) not wasting time waiting to find out if we wasted a #1 pick and will need to draft another QB.

2) fans being fed up with 9-7, 7-9, 8-8, 8-8, and 4-12 seasons since our last trip to the playoffs. fans being fed up with teams coming into Mile High and kicking our asses. fans being fed up with Broncos teams that fade at the end of the year. fans basically being fed up with the status quo and wanted something done that looks like a step in the right direction.

jhns
09-14-2011, 12:47 PM
Why don't the Tebow haters watch this video and make the claims that he can't throw... Go ahead and chant that he can't throw from the pocket as you watch him do it multiple times. Chant that he can't make more than one read as you watch him maneuver around the pocket, making multipke reads, and completing passes. Go ahead and pull up his stats and show how his higher than Ortons QB rating is proof that he can't make simple throws in the NFL...

<iframe width="560" height="345" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/0fM8PiJ8ao0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

deltbucs
09-14-2011, 12:49 PM
what pocket was that exactly?

That's part of it, too. As good as Tebow was in college....so was his offensive line and running game at UF. Tebow could not do what Orton does with all that pressure in his face. Never could and most likely never will.

Gort
09-14-2011, 12:50 PM
So you honestly think chanting the kids name that can't beat out Brady Quinn for a backup QB role is the answer? Seriously.....You guys have to be playing a joke on everyone. There can't really be this many people in Denver that comprehend so little about the NFL. There just can't be.

it wouldn't take you more than 20 seconds to find out that Tebow and Quinn are both listed as #2 on the depth chart, yet you can't be bothered because it doesn't serve your agenda. for that reason, you're a moron not worth paying any attention to.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth-chart.html

PRBronco
09-14-2011, 12:50 PM
So you honestly think chanting the kids name that can't beat out Brady Quinn for a backup QB role is the answer? Seriously.....You guys have to be playing a joke on everyone. There can't really be this many people in Denver that comprehend so little about the NFL. There just can't be.

You honestly think he didnt' beat out Brady Quinn?

PRBronco
09-14-2011, 12:51 PM
That's part of it, too. As good as Tebow was in college....so was his offensive line and running game at UF. Tebow could not do what Orton does with all that pressure in his face. Never could and most likely never will.

Pisses down his leg and falls to the ground?

Mountain Bronco
09-14-2011, 12:51 PM
Um, McDbag didn't roll Tebow out. Tebow only played after McDbag had left the building last year. ****ty ****ty ****ty reporting to say the least.

TailgateNut
09-14-2011, 12:51 PM
After examining the stats, I can't agree with this. I thought the same as you are saying, but after digging into the stats I found that Orton was absolutely terrible between passes 10 and 30. This was about the same time as the monsoon drenched the field. I'm not trying to make excuses for Orton, but when I look at his game last night statistically and compare it to Orton from last season, it's the tale of two different players. Last season, Orton was steady from the first pass to the last pass - he wasn't necessarily "good," but he was consistently about an 86.0 passer rating. During this last game, he took a serious dip in performance in the middle, but looked good on the first 10 passes and on the last 15.


I'm not into digging up stats, and don't plan to provide links, but when it started raining steady, it seemed as if someone decide it would be smart to call more passing plays than running plays. It was a big WTF for me, but who knows why they did that. I may be wrong on the numbers, but I"m sure I noticed a disporportional amount of passing plays during the heavy rain.

bendog
09-14-2011, 12:52 PM
it is.

it's about:

1) not wasting time waiting to find out if we wasted a #1 pick and will need to draft another QB.

2) fans being fed up with 9-7, 7-9, 8-8, 8-8, and 4-12 seasons since our last trip to the playoffs. fans being fed up with teams coming into Mile High and kicking our asses. fans being fed up with teams that fade at the end of the year. fans basically being fed up with the status quo and wanted something done that looks like a step in the right direction.

Well, I agree with that. But Elway sold too many cars not to know that he needs to give fans what they want. But he also knows quarterbacks. This crap about Tebow not having support in Dove Valley is a joke. The only guys who have support are guys who can play, and they'll have support unless they are cancers. Tebow's the only guy who has a contract for next year. He's gonna see the field. Not next week though. My guess is in week 5.

Gort
09-14-2011, 12:53 PM
You honestly think he didnt' beat out Brady Quinn?

he does. he called him the #3 QB earlier. but probably the only things he knows about the Broncos are what he heard on ESPN, so its not surprising.

Turd_Ferguson
09-14-2011, 12:55 PM
Unbelievable. Yea its the fans fault that Orton is an unathletic plodding joke. If Orton were playing like the Quarterback the media keeps insisting he is, no one would be chanting for Tebow. I dont care who they replace Orton with, I'm just tired of hearing that the guy that led the team to the second overall pick in the draft this year is the best option.

Gort
09-14-2011, 12:56 PM
Well, I agree with that. But Elway sold too many cars not to know that he needs to give fans what they want. But he also knows quarterbacks. This crap about Tebow not having support in Dove Valley is a joke. The only guys who have support are guys who can play, and they'll have support unless they are cancers. Tebow's the only guy who has a contract for next year. He's gonna see the field. Not next week though. My guess is in week 5.

as a separate issue. i like Tebow. i see alot of similarities to Elway. i don't understand why Elway seems to have an issue with Tebow. maybe it's because Elway wants to be taken seriously as executive VP of football operations and is going along with the conventional wisdom that dominates the talking-heads in the media. i dunno. i think it'd be a shame if we didn't find out whether Tebow can become a special player. but ultimately, i want this team to win. i want us to go back to kicking the Raiders and Chefs and Sparklers asses every year and then getting into the playoffs and doing some damage (instead of one-and-done). so if we get there without Tebow, i'm ok with that too. but one thing i'm sure of is that having Orton as our QB is NOT going to get us there.

deltbucs
09-14-2011, 12:56 PM
Why don't the Tebow haters watch this video and make the claims that he can't throw... Go ahead and chant that he can't throw from the pocket as you watch him do it multiple times. Chant that he can't make more than one read as you watch him maneuver around the pocket, making multipke reads, and completing passes. Go ahead and pull up his stats and show how his higher than Ortons QB rating is proof that he can't make simple throws in the NFL...

<iframe width="560" height="345" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/0fM8PiJ8ao0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

"Preseason highlight video"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


Cute captions and all, but if you are really impressed by what you saw him do in that video....against a bunch of guys that aren't even in the league anymore....then there is just no debating with you.

epicSocialism4tw
09-14-2011, 12:58 PM
So you honestly think chanting the kids name that can't beat out Brady Quinn for a backup QB role is the answer? Seriously.....You guys have to be playing a joke on everyone. There can't really be this many people in Denver that comprehend so little about the NFL. There just can't be.

Um...sorry toolbag, but we have seen Tebow play. We have seen Quinn play. We have seen Orton play.

Tebow is an exciting player who fights to the death. Orton is a boring player who cant get it done in the clutch and goes into the fetal position whenever a defensive player breathes on him. Orton's record in Denver is terrible...he does not give the Broncos any chance to win.

There are reasons that Broncos fans want to see Tebow again.

Maybe instead of gurgling up ignorant nonsense, that you should ask what it is about Tebow that makes people want to see him over Orton.

deltbucs
09-14-2011, 12:59 PM
it wouldn't take you more than 20 seconds to find out that Tebow and Quinn are both listed as #2 on the depth chart, yet you can't be bothered because it doesn't serve your agenda. for that reason, you're a moron not worth paying any attention to.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/depth-chart.html

Come on. You're seriously messing with me right? If they're both listed as #2 then Tebow didn't beat him out, did he?

swaiy
09-14-2011, 01:01 PM
I can't believe that author figured me out. He got me. This black guy right here totally wants Tebow to start because he's a white, wholesome Christian.

Gort
09-14-2011, 01:01 PM
"Preseason highlight video"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


Cute captions and all, but if you are really impressed by what you saw him do in that video....against a bunch of guys that aren't even in the league anymore....then there is just no debating with you.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=301226007
http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=310102007

when Studesville finally opened up the playbook for Tebow during halftime of the HOU game, we got to see what Tebow brought to the table.

ward63
09-14-2011, 01:03 PM
I honestly think when Orton shat himself and dropped the ball with Fells WIDE OPEN put me over the edge. I want to support Orton and I have, but I'm sick of it! He is an average QB at best, that can't make plays or lead. I think Dilfer was in love with him Monday, b/c Orton is kind of like him. If we had a great D, run game and a better offensive line, yeah Orton is the way to go. When the pocket breaks down, he is in solid concrete. I can't remember what quarter it was, but when he ran for that first down, I about shat myself. He can't make plays.

Gort
09-14-2011, 01:03 PM
Come on. You're seriously messing with me right? If they're both listed as #2 then Tebow didn't beat him out, did he?

Fox has said it offers him a competitive advantage under the new rules to NOT specifically let opponents know who might come in if something happens to Orton during a game. so he would have done this no matter who the other 2 QBs were on the roster. so can you say Tebow didn't beat out Quinn?

deltbucs
09-14-2011, 01:04 PM
Um...sorry toolbag, but we have seen Tebow play. We have seen Quinn play. We have seen Orton play.

Tebow is an exciting player who fights to the death. Orton is a boring player who cant get it done in the clutch and goes into the fetal position whenever a defensive player breathes on him. Orton's record in Denver is terrible...he does not give the Broncos any chance to win.

There are reasons that Broncos fans want to see Tebow again.

Maybe instead of gurgling up ignorant nonsense, that you should ask what it is about Tebow that makes people want to see him over Orton.

So just to get this straight.....Myself, Fox, Elway and everyone in the media are don't know how awesome Tebow is and are stupid.....and you kids in the stand chanting for Tebow are the ones that really know football. Is that right?

ROFL!

deltbucs
09-14-2011, 01:06 PM
http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=301226007
http://espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=310102007

when Studesville finally opened up the playbook for Tebow during halftime of the HOU game, we got to see what Tebow brought to the table.

So the problem is just that he didn't open up the playbook for the inexperienced kid that has a tough time going through a progression? Awesome. Keep them coming, guys!

epicSocialism4tw
09-14-2011, 01:06 PM
So just to get this straight.....Myself, Fox, Elway and everyone in the media are don't know how awesome Tebow is and are stupid.....and you kids in the stand chanting for Tebow are the ones that really know football. Is that right?

You have no idea what goes on with the broncos, so that would certainly make you ignorant.

deltbucs
09-14-2011, 01:08 PM
I honestly think when Orton shat himself and dropped the ball with Fells WIDE OPEN put me over the edge.

Yup....Orton shat himself and dropped the ball the one time on that drive where he didn't have a defender in his face. Had nothing to do with the rain.

swaiy
09-14-2011, 01:08 PM
"Preseason highlight video"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


Cute captions and all, but if you are really impressed by what you saw him do in that video....against a bunch of guys that aren't even in the league anymore....then there is just no debating with you.

I was impressed with what Orton did against the Raiders against a bunch of guys that are in the league.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqruujxMcF1qfzusq.gif

KO5K
09-14-2011, 01:09 PM
So just to get this straight.....Myself, Fox, Elway and everyone in the media are don't know how awesome Tebow is and are stupid.....and you kids in the stand chanting for Tebow are the ones that really know football. Is that right?

ROFL!

The fans know more about the situation than the media. The media don't watch Denver games they look at the stat sheet and look at Orton's padded stats and conclude that he's awesome.

I don't get why people would be opposed to Tebow starting, Orton's lost 9 of his last 10 games, lets not pretend like he's winning us games.

Gort
09-14-2011, 01:11 PM
So the problem is just that he didn't open up the playbook for the inexperienced kid that has a tough time going through a progression? Awesome. Keep them coming, guys!

you really didn't see Tebow play last year, did you?

Studes handcuffed Tebow during the OAK game, and even though we lost, Tebow made some plays we hadn't seen around here in a long time.

then, in the HOU game, it looked like we were going to lose again. at halftime, they finally allowed Tebow to start improvising a bit and he led a 4th quarter comeback to result in Studes first NFL win.

the final week, against a team and QB who have given us fits, Tebow once again nearly manages a 4th quarter comeback victory. compared to the beatdowns we've gotten from the Sparklers in recent years, that was at least something to give us hope.

but i don't think you know any of this because your just a troll from another fanbase coming here to stir sh*t up, right?

TailgateNut
09-14-2011, 01:11 PM
that writer is clueless. the people who jumped on the Broncos bandwagon because of Tebow are not the type to complain that he isn't starting. the ones complaining are long-suffering fans who haven't been to a superbowl since Elway and who see Orton for what he is and know that he is not the QBOTF for this franchise.

HORSE****!

Gort
09-14-2011, 01:12 PM
I was impressed with what Orton did against the Raiders against a bunch of guys that are in the league.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqruujxMcF1qfzusq.gif

that's a good gif. you've earned a rep point.

Pendejo
09-14-2011, 01:16 PM
The fans know more about the situation than the media. The media don't watch Denver games they look at the stat sheet and look at Orton's padded stats and conclude that he's awesome.

I don't get why people would be opposed to Tebow starting, Orton's lost 9 of his last 10 games, lets not pretend like he's winning us games.

Orton's stats...padded or not...are far from awesome.

bendog
09-14-2011, 01:17 PM
as a separate issue. i like Tebow. i see alot of similarities to Elway. i don't understand why Elway seems to have an issue with Tebow. maybe it's because Elway wants to be taken seriously as executive VP of football operations and is going along with the conventional wisdom that dominates the talking-heads in the media. i dunno. i think it'd be a shame if we didn't find out whether Tebow can become a special player. but ultimately, i want this team to win. i want us to go back to kicking the Raiders and Chefs and Sparklers asses every year and then getting into the playoffs and doing some damage (instead of one-and-done). so if we get there without Tebow, i'm ok with that too. but one thing i'm sure of is that having Orton as our QB is NOT going to get us there.

I don't understand why it isn't Flaming Obvious to everyone that Elway's only "issue" with Tebow is that somehow Tebow never learned to consistently take a snap under center, make the same consistent five step drop every single snap, and use the same throwing motion every single time. "one two three four five ... one two -THROW.

I think everyone, even the avid Tebow promoters like Gruden, agrees that Tebow will never be a great timing passer. Drew Brees, Payaton Manning - never gonna happen. But Sanchez had a 75 passer rating and Eli was around 80. If Tebow misses a couple of throws cause of bad mechanics, he may be able to make a special play or two on 3rd and long that makes you forget it.

The only issue imo at Dove Valley is whether Tebow will get it done. He's gonna get the shot, though. The only thing I'll say about Elway is that he's got to know there's never gonna be another like him ... at least for a long time. Elway just executed a hell of a nice draft. Everyone knows he inherited a steaming pile of horse ****. But two more drafts like that, and Den will be a tough team to play.

Dedhed
09-14-2011, 01:18 PM
[I]
[I]And because they love him in Denver, they hate Kyle Orton. They boo Orton even as he's throwing for 304 yards
Stopped reading here

Gort
09-14-2011, 01:19 PM
HORSE****!

find me anyone who was NOT a Broncos fan before we drafted Tebow who is clamoring for him to be a starter by calling into sports radio or sending letters to the newspaper demanding that Orton be benched? the media is fueling this because it makes for a good story. the long term fans are invested in the debate because we're sick of losing... but the housewife from FL who likes Tebow's values or the 9-year old kid from Iowa who has a Tebow jersey are NOT the ones making Elway's life hard. that's the media doing that. and although they do make stuff up on their own just to cause trouble, for the most part, the media is reacting to the dedicated Broncos fans who pre-date Tebow.

the people you see at the stadium wearing #15 jerseys and chanting Tebow are longterm fans who just happen to like Tebow, but would be chanting for whatever backup QB we had to be put in over Orton after seeing us go down by 13 at halftime to the Raiders.

deltbucs
09-14-2011, 01:20 PM
The fans know more about the situation than the media. The media don't watch Denver games they look at the stat sheet and look at Orton's padded stats and conclude that he's awesome.


What about Fox and Elway? They don't know what's going on either or....?

Dedhed
09-14-2011, 01:21 PM
You guys don't realize it but you're agreeing with the article. He's pretty much saying this would happen in any city that doesn't have a good QB. By saying "Orton is the suck!!!" you're saying Denver is one of those cities, right?

...this would happen in any NFL city where Tebow was the backup quarterback. Well, almost any city. It wouldn't happen in New England or New Orleans or San Diego. It wouldn't happen in Green Bay or Atlanta. It might happen in Philadelphia, but probably not. Because Michael Vick is that good, just as Tom Brady and Drew Brees and Philip Rivers and Aaron Rodgers and Matt Ryan are that good. They are so good, they can withstand the cancer that is Tim Tebow.You don't realize that this would happen in any city Orton is in, and has.

Doggcow
09-14-2011, 01:25 PM
I was thinking this thread was going to be about Tebow fans vandalizing the stadium or something.

Hogan11
09-14-2011, 01:27 PM
find me anyone who was NOT a Broncos fan before we drafted Tebow who is clamoring for him to be a starter by calling into sports radio or sending letters to the newspaper demanding that Orton be benched? the media is fueling this because it makes for a good story. the long term fans are invested in the debate because we're sick of losing... but the housewife from FL who likes Tebow's values or the 9-year old kid from Iowa who has a Tebow jersey are NOT the ones making Elway's life hard. that's the media doing that. and although they do make stuff up on their own just to cause trouble, for the most part, the media is reacting to the dedicated Broncos fans who pre-date Tebow.

the people you see at the stadium wearing #15 jerseys and chanting Tebow are longterm fans who just happen to like Tebow, but would be chanting for whatever backup QB we had to be put in over Orton after seeing us go down by 13 at halftime to the Raiders.

Go tell this noise to the 4 or 5 rejects I saw in Tebow Florida jerseys @ the game

swaiy
09-14-2011, 01:29 PM
Go tell this noise to the 4 or 5 rejects I saw in Tebow Florida jerseys @ the game

It must have been rough having to see 5 fans with a Florida jersey in a stadium of 76,000 people.

Gort
09-14-2011, 01:31 PM
Go tell this noise to the 4 or 5 rejects I saw in Tebow Florida jerseys @ the game

so you're saying these were Gators fans who made the trip out to Denver to see a game where Tebow was not the starting QB for a team they don't even like?

isn't that implausible?

isn't it more likely that those are Broncos fans who also happen to be Gators fans (and alumni?) who are sick of Orton and want to see Tebow play? and isn't it likely that these people would be at that game wearing some Broncos jersey even if Tebow would have been drafted by another team?

that's the sort of distinction i'm making.

i find it highly unlikely that people who never gave a rats ass about the Broncos until Tebow was drafted have somehow now become a rabid fanbase doing everything in their power to demand that Orton be benched so that Tebow can play.

it's the longtime fans who are sick of losing who are the ones vocally complaining about Orton. i can tell you honestly that i never gave a second thought to Tebow until he was drafted here. i knew who he was and i knew he was under attack by the Jesus haters out there, but it didn't concern me. when Orton first got here and we went 6-0, i thought Orton might just turn out to be a huge pickup by McD. then we came back to earth and i realized what Orton really is. i'd be calling for another QB to play even if Tebow wasn't here, as would be many longtime fans. don't you recall the groundswell to put Simms in and see what he could do when Orton started sucking back in 2009? Tebow had nothing to do with that, but the Broncos fanbase and some of the beat writers wanted Orton replaced then as well.

bendog
09-14-2011, 01:31 PM
I was thinking this thread was going to be about Tebow fans vandalizing the stadium or something.

Thanks, I've been trying to find a way to work in a post about the Inquisition and Witch Burnings.

Hogan11
09-14-2011, 01:32 PM
It must have been rough having to see 5 fans with a Florida jersey in a stadium of 76,000 people.

Those were just the jerseys that I noticed, there was a LOT of UF bullshat being worn at that game

Hogan11
09-14-2011, 01:37 PM
so you're saying these were Gators fans who made the trip out to Denver to see a game where Tebow was not the starting QB for a team they don't even like?

isn't that implausible?

isn't it more likely that those are Broncos fans who also happen to be Gators fans (and alumni?) who are sick of Orton and want to see Tebow play? and isn't it likely that these people would be at that game wearing some Broncos jersey even if Tebow would have been drafted by another team?

that's the sort of distinction i'm making.

i find it highly unlikely that people who never gave a rats ass about the Broncos until Tebow were drafted have somehow now become a rabid fanbase doing everything in their power to demand that Orton be benched so that Tebow can play.

I don't recall ever seeing so much of the UF crap in the preTebow years @ Broncos games.

The better question is how many of these "long term fans" are going to move on with him if he is shipped off to somewhere else. Some here are already quitting over it

Gort
09-14-2011, 01:38 PM
Those were just the jerseys that I noticed, there was a LOT of UF bullshat being worn at that game

there is crossover between college football and the NFL you know.

i'm sure there are lots of people who were fans of both Florida and the Broncos long before Tebow was drafted.

Gort
09-14-2011, 01:39 PM
I don't recall ever seeing so much of the UF crap in the preTebow years @ Broncos games.

The better question is how many of these "long term fans" are going to move on with him if he is shipped off to somewhere else. Some here are already quitting over it

who was the last prominent Florida player on the Broncos prior to Tebow? find that answer and you may find an answer to why there is more UF stuff now than you recall previously.

Dedhed
09-14-2011, 01:41 PM
I don't recall ever seeing so much of the UF crap in the preTebow years @ Broncos games.

The better question is how many of these "long term fans" are going to move on with him if he is shipped off to somewhere else. Some here are already quitting over it
That's called conditioned response. You see what you're looking for. If I was into jerseys I'd get a UF Tebow jersey in a heartbeat even if I was a long time Broncos fan. I think it's cool that he wore orange and blue in college.

Even if these are newbies who only came because of Tebow, so what? Do you think that the majority of long time fans really still want Orton as the starter?

Hogan11
09-14-2011, 01:42 PM
who was the last prominent Florida player on the Broncos prior to Tebow? find that answer and you may find an answer to why there is more UF stuff now than you recall previously.

Jarvis Moss Ha! Nothing but garbage comes here from there

BroncoInferno
09-14-2011, 01:50 PM
Does Doyel say anywhere that you should? You guys are spinning worse than the professional spinner!

The clear assumption made by the writer is that fans want Tebow to play strictly because he's Tebow, because they love him so deeply that they want him to play for illogical, passioned reasons (this is the writers clear perception, at any rate). And I don't think anyone would deny that there are some fans who fall into this camp. But certainly not all. I wasn't crazy about the Tebow selection when we made it (thought he was a 3rd rounder) and I'm still not sold on him. I want him to start because Orton has reached his ceiling as a player, and his ceiling isn't good enough to get us anywhere. Not doubt, there is a lot of hyperbole from the Orton haters about how bad he is. He's not terrible, but he's not great either. He's the personification of average. If everything goes well - great defense, great running game - you can get to the playoffs with a guy like Orton and maybe even win a game, but you are not going to advance very far. Of course, that argument is moot because everything around Orton is NOT going well. Tebow has upside that just isn't there with Orton. And the media portrayal of Tebow is just way off base. They ignore the fact that he was the #1 fantasy QB in the entire league the final three weeks of the season (yes, I know fantasy QB ratings are not the be all-end all, but they do quantify meaningful statistics). And for as sh*tty as the media made it seem like he was playing in the preseason, he had a QB rating over 100 that represented the highest QB rating on the team. Those are all sound, logical reasons for wanting Tebow to play now. Does that mean he's a slam dunk player with no flaws? Of course not. But what young QB doesn't have issues? For whatever reason, most young QBs get the benefit of the doubt, but not Tebow. I mean, Mark Sanchez flat out stinks, but he still gets the benefit of the doubt in the media.

So, why won't Fox get on board? It could be the contract issue that's been brought up. I don't really buy that, though. I think Fox would play Tebow if he thought he gave him the best chance to win. The problem is that Tebow probably does look like the 3rd best QB on the team in practice, because his greatest skills don't really come into play in a traditional practice setting. That is Fox's problem, IMHO....he refuses to think outside the box. He's always displayed a preference for veterans; that was one of the issues he had with Jerry Richardson in Carolina. Richardson wanted to purge the veterans off the roster to make way for the youngsters, and Fox didn't want to get on board with that. If he had stayed in Carolina, you probably wouldn't have seen Cam newton starting on Sunday. He has a traditional football mind who prefers vets, and Tebow falls outside of that perview. Anyway, the notion that there are not soud reasons to want Tebow starting now is horsesh*t. It's the national media that is judging this situation through a narrow prism. Many of them have staked their reputations on Tebow failing and will make judgements tainted by that bias.

Dedhed
09-14-2011, 01:53 PM
I can't believe that author figured me out. He got me. This black guy right here totally wants Tebow to start because he's a white, wholesome Christian.

lol

swaiy
09-14-2011, 01:59 PM
I had to come back. I find it funny this guy was quick to mention Orton threw for 304 yards. I'm pretty sure late in the game when the Raiders went up two scores, they were playing off of the receivers and the blitzes were coming in less than they were when the game was close.

I was a little hasty in my eagerness to call this article stupid. I meant to say downright remedial. I bet he wrote the draft to this with a #3 pencil on recycled paper.

Doggcow
09-14-2011, 02:11 PM
Jarvis Moss Ha! Nothing but garbage comes here from there

He's no Moreno...

bendog
09-14-2011, 02:14 PM
[QUOTE=BroncoInferno;Richardson wanted to purge the veterans off the roster to make way for the youngsters, and Fox didn't want to get on board with that. If he had stayed in Carolina, you probably wouldn't have seen Cam newton starting on Sunday. He has a traditional football mind who prefers vets, and Tebow falls outside of that perview. Anyway, the notion that there are not soud reasons to want Tebow starting now is horsesh*t. It's the national media that is judging this situation through a narrow prism. Many of them have staked their reputations on Tebow failing and will make judgements tainted by that bias.[/QUOTE]

Richardson wanted to spend less money, so he sent the vets packing. In Fox's second year at Car he dumped Peete for Delhomme, who at that time had made two nfl starts.

deltbucs
09-14-2011, 02:32 PM
what team are you a fan of?

I just noticed this. Are you serious?

zdoor
09-14-2011, 02:46 PM
Tebow couldn't make plays from the pocket in preseason. He was still taking off and running because he didn't make the reads. Live with it.

They'll put him in eventually, but unless he can take the center snap, make the five step, make two reads and deliver the ball, he's not gonna be "the guy."

While I agree Tebow is shaky in the pocket, the only decent play from Orton (the 4th quarter scoring drive) were all from the gun...

Blueflame
09-14-2011, 02:46 PM
You want someone to blame for all this, blame Orton. His lack of fire, his inability to execute when the game's on the line, and his RECORD AS A STARTER have created this situation, not Tim Tebow, who's been a good soldier in his silence and work ethic.

If this dude doesn't like the fans calling for Tebow, the answer is as easy as O-R-T-O-N. Blaming the fans is pure rubbish. The media anoints Orton as the guy who should start and now are actively overlooking his poor performance. Reminds me of a certain president.

Sorry. I blame McDaniels. He brought plague and pestilence on the proud Broncos franchise. Oh, and for those who can't stand Orton... he's here because McDaniels brought him here.

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 02:50 PM
This could've been avoided by starting Tebow. Pretty sure the fans didn't make that decision. Pretty sure a cheap FO did. So who's fault is it again?

zdoor
09-14-2011, 02:51 PM
Lindsay Jones (@PostBroncos)
9/14/11 1:47 PM
No change. And won't be any time soon. RT @zdoor1: any changes in QB reps or status quo?

bendog
09-14-2011, 02:56 PM
While I agree Tebow is shaky in the pocket, the only decent play from Orton (the 4th quarter scoring drive) were all from the gun...

I didn't mean to be comparing Orton and Tebow. Rather, I don't see how it's in Tebow's long term best interest to play him unless there's good probablity that he'll be able take the snap and the five step and make at least one read ... with the hope that in time he'll make quicker decisions. But Dove Valley will have to toss him in pretty soon. After the bungles, Den gets Tenn and GB on the road. I think the question is that, regardless of how much Tebow has progressed in his qb journey, once Den is two games below .500, how do they NOT play the guy AT HOME?

If he isn't starting by at least the SD game in Den at week 5, I'll be shocked. Tebow seems to be able to persevere, though his camp baffles me. I figure he'll have a rough 13 weeks, but it'll be a good way to see if there's any hope for him.

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 02:58 PM
Lindsay Jones (@PostBroncos)
9/14/11 1:47 PM
No change. And won't be any time soon. RT @zdoor1: any changes in QB reps or status quo?

Way to win back the trust of the fans. ::)

TailgateNut
09-14-2011, 03:34 PM
****, you weren't a fan of this team before TimBow came here, so you might want to rephrase that a bit. ****ing pestilence came here with that "superQB"

PRBronco
09-14-2011, 03:40 PM
Sorry. I blame McDaniels. He brought plague and pestilence on the proud Broncos franchise. Oh, and for those who can't stand Orton... he's here because McDaniels brought him here.

Oh ffs move the **** on.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-14-2011, 03:48 PM
The entire atricle you posted makes it appear that fans are 1. stupid and 2. should just deal with Orton starting.

How about no? Bronco fans boo consistently bad QB play. We then have talking heads tell us we should not boo because we simply don't understand what is really happening on the field.

:Broncos:

The other night, the charming Tebow-chanter started chanting for his boy after a pass that hit the receiver RIGHT IN THE ****ING HANDS. It was a flawless pass that was a straight up DROP by the receiver. There were several of those on the night.

And dip**** starts chanting for Tebow. As what, a wideout?

Tombstone RJ
09-14-2011, 03:49 PM
The other night, the charming Tebow-chanter started chanting for his boy after a pass that hit the receiver RIGHT IN THE ****ING HANDS. It was a flawless pass that was a straight up DROP by the receiver. There were several of those on the night.

And dip**** starts chanting for Tebow. As what, a wideout?

sorry brosef but this happens to all QBs, not just Orton, but you keep polishing that turd...

bendog
09-14-2011, 03:51 PM
And dip**** starts chanting for Tebow. As what, a wideout?

Not yet. (-:

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-14-2011, 03:52 PM
sorry brosef but this happens to all QBs, not just Orton, but you keep polishing that turd...

Please pull your head out before the next time you respond to my post. Thanks.

I was responding to Sir's assertion that talking heads say Orton should continue to start because the fans don't know what the **** they're seeing on the field. Seeing morons (and you probably WERE that guy, with the way you're defending his nonsense) boo a quarterback because of a dropped pass by a receiver is, sort of, you know, the fans not knowing what the **** they're looking at on the field.

The only turd in this thread is your post.

Tombstone RJ
09-14-2011, 03:54 PM
Please pull your head out before the next time you respond to my post. Thanks.

I was responding to Sir's assertion that talking heads say Orton should continue to start because the fans don't know what the **** they're seeing on the field. Seeing morons (and you probably WERE that guy, with the way you're defending his nonsense) boo a quarterback because of a dropped pass by a receiver is, sort of, you know, the fans not knowing what the **** they're looking at on the field.

The only turd in this thread is your post.

keep scrubbing, eventually you'll see a peanut, or not...

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-14-2011, 03:57 PM
keep scrubbing, eventually you'll see a peanut, or not...

Awwww, looks like you had no point. Thanks for playing. Now back to the ****heap for you.

Archer81
09-14-2011, 03:57 PM
The other night, the charming Tebow-chanter started chanting for his boy after a pass that hit the receiver RIGHT IN THE ****ING HANDS. It was a flawless pass that was a straight up DROP by the receiver. There were several of those on the night.

And dip**** starts chanting for Tebow. As what, a wideout?


Right.

I mean Orton locking on to his primary receiver (which surprised me, considering how all summer we keep hearing how Orton is the one who goes through all his reads and ALWAYS makes the right throw), throwing into triple coverage, misreading his WR for a pick (3 pts for Oak) or just dropping a football for no reason (7 pts for oak) as well as just walking into Richard Seymour in the RZ for a sack just screams "best qb in denver".

But hey, its our line's fault he did not get out of the way of passrushers. Its Moreno and McGahee's fault their QB has such a howitzer for an arm they regularly have to evade 8 guys in the box. Its the WR's fault they dont catch those balls aimed at their feet.

Everything would be just fine if everyone realized that Orton is amazing. Its everyone else that sucks.

:Broncos:

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-14-2011, 04:00 PM
Right.

I mean Orton locking on to his primary receiver (which surprised me, considering how all summer we keep hearing how Orton is the one who goes through all his reads and ALWAYS makes the right throw), throwing into triple coverage, misreading his WR for a pick (3 pts for Oak) or just dropping a football for no reason (7 pts for oak) as well as just walking into Richard Seymour in the RZ for a sack just screams "best qb in denver".

But hey, its our line's fault he did not get out of the way of passrushers. Its Moreno and McGahee's fault their QB has such a howitzer for an arm they regularly have to evade 8 guys in the box. Its the WR's fault they dont catch those balls aimed at their feet.

Everything would be just fine if everyone realized that Orton is amazing. Its everyone else that sucks.

:Broncos:

Do you even bother reading posts? Or do you just like reading your own? Legitimately curious.

cutthemdown
09-14-2011, 04:01 PM
Nope change that fumble into a td pass, then interception into a td pass, and I don't think Orton would have gotten any boos. He got booed because he made a pathetic bonehead play that winners don't make. I stuck up for him because he can throw for 300 yrds and gets no help from defense or running backs. But if he drops the ball and throws picks at some point he has to go to the bench.

He should be able to win this week, if he can't its going to be more booing then Denver has seen in a long long time.

Archer81
09-14-2011, 04:01 PM
Do you even bother reading posts? Or do you just like reading your own? Legitimately curious.


Usually my post is the only one worth reading.


:Broncos:

Tombstone RJ
09-14-2011, 04:01 PM
Awwww, looks like you had no point. Thanks for playing. Now back to the ****heap for you.

Ha!

speaking of ****heap, how's that turd looking?

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 04:02 PM
Right.

I mean Orton locking on to his primary receiver (which surprised me, considering how all summer we keep hearing how Orton is the one who goes through all his reads and ALWAYS makes the right throw), throwing into triple coverage, misreading his WR for a pick (3 pts for Oak) or just dropping a football for no reason (7 pts for oak) as well as just walking into Richard Seymour in the RZ for a sack just screams "best qb in denver".

But hey, its our line's fault he did not get out of the way of passrushers. Its Moreno and McGahee's fault their QB has such a howitzer for an arm they regularly have to evade 8 guys in the box. Its the WR's fault they dont catch those balls aimed at their feet.

Everything would be just fine if everyone realized that Orton is amazing. Its everyone else that sucks.

:Broncos:

What's funny to me is that Orton looked as much like a rookie in that game as Tebow ever did last year. But he's the vet who gives us the best chance to win. ::)

zdoor
09-14-2011, 04:17 PM
Please pull your head out before the next time you respond to my post. Thanks.

I was responding to Sir's assertion that talking heads say Orton should continue to start because the fans don't know what the **** they're seeing on the field. Seeing morons (and you probably WERE that guy, with the way you're defending his nonsense) boo a quarterback because of a dropped pass by a receiver is, sort of, you know, the fans not knowing what the **** they're looking at on the field.

The only turd in this thread is your post.

Are you saying the venom directed at Orton is the result of receivers dropping passes? While they did drop a couple catch-able balls, the dude was beyond abysmal. That was absolutely FUGLY. He's not a rook or a second year guy, he's a vet and that was beyond pathetic. And for all the shiat about Tebow in the pocket... PUHLEEZZE. Orton looked like shiat in the same type of pocket Tebow played the entire pre-season in... Funny that Orton couldn't do anything until he played from the gun the last drive. Obviously, he can't take snaps or make reads from the pocket (sarcasm)...

tsiguy96
09-14-2011, 04:31 PM
Nope change that fumble into a td pass, then interception into a td pass, and I don't think Orton would have gotten any boos. He got booed because he made a pathetic bonehead play that winners don't make. I stuck up for him because he can throw for 300 yrds and gets no help from defense or running backs. But if he drops the ball and throws picks at some point he has to go to the bench.

He should be able to win this week, if he can't its going to be more booing then Denver has seen in a long long time.

exactly, i dont understand why this is so difficult. the whole team is not playing well, no one doubts this. but everyone else on the team atleast played well ENOUGH to win, orton made the biggest, worst mistakes on the team, and he has the unrelenting support of the FO regardless of what is actually happening on the field.

TailgateNut
09-14-2011, 04:39 PM
The problem is that there are thousands who are TimBoy fans 1st who just stumbled onto the Broncos, but hundreds of thousands of Bronco Fans of which some are TimBoy fans. But the later want the Broncos to succeed regardless of who is the QB. The TimBoy fans couldn't give a **** less about the end result as long as their boy gets to play.

TailgateNut
09-14-2011, 04:40 PM
What's funny to me is that Orton looked as much like a rookie in that game as Tebow ever did last year. But he's the vet who gives us the best chance to win. ::)

**** off!

Blueflame
09-14-2011, 04:46 PM
Oh ffs move the **** on.

Yeah, 'cause it's SO much more logical and sensible to blame and hate on Orton for being in Denver and being the athlete he is; with the limitations he has... than it is to blame the person who's truly responsible for this whole mess.

Blueflame
09-14-2011, 04:48 PM
The other night, the charming Tebow-chanter started chanting for his boy after a pass that hit the receiver RIGHT IN THE ****ING HANDS. It was a flawless pass that was a straight up DROP by the receiver. There were several of those on the night.

And dip**** starts chanting for Tebow. As what, a wideout?

Tebow might make a decent TE.

Play2win
09-14-2011, 04:52 PM
People calling for tebow to start, and spending time, energy and rage on this are just doing their very best Gus Frerotte exercises (in Futility)... :gus:

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 05:04 PM
**** off!

Constructive.

teknic
09-14-2011, 05:04 PM
The problem is that there are thousands who are TimBoy fans 1st who just stumbled onto the Broncos, but hundreds of thousands of Bronco Fans of which some are TimBoy fans. But the later want the Broncos to succeed regardless of who is the QB. The TimBoy fans couldn't give a **** less about the end result as long as their boy gets to play.

I would disagree and say that the majority of Broncos fans want Tebow to start because they believe he gives the team the best chance to win.

I've seen Tebow operate in an NFL offense effectively in regular season games last year. His three starts were actually some of best games for a rookie QB ever statistically. He made a few mistakes and threw some ugly passes, but he was a rookie. Give him time to work with the first team in practice and play all season and I think he can reduce the mistakes he occasionally makes and let his playmaking ability show.

I've also (unfortunately) witnessed Orton operating in an NFL offense for the past two years, and I can't see any improvement in his time here. He still locks on to receivers, still has erratic accuracy on short throws, can't read coverages and doesn't pick up the blitz often enough. Mix in his lack of mobility and tendency to panic whenever he is under pressure, and he is playing like a rookie. Kyle Orton is playing like a "rookie", but he has no upside. While there is an unknown with Tebow, what it would be like for him to start for a whole season, I know what it's like for Orton to be the starter. You get pathetic performances from Orton and he can't seem to stay healthy for an entire season anyways. I'm not saying Orton can't succeed in the league, but I would go as far as to say he can't succeed in the Broncos offense. The offensive line isn't good enough to give him the time he needs to make decisions.

I know what we have in Orton and I'm not impressed. I do honestly think Tebow can be the guy for the Broncos if he was given a shot to sink or swim this season. As has been pointed out by many, it's win-win. Tebow either does well and solidifies his job as a starter, or he struggles to adjust to the NFL and the Broncos are looking at drafting a new QB. All of the complaints about Tebow by analysts were exemplified by Kyle Orton on Monday night.

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 05:07 PM
Tebow might make a decent TE.

You might make a decent cum dumpster.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 05:11 PM
You might make a decent cum dumpster.

Oh lawd, in b4 ban

Dagmar
09-14-2011, 05:16 PM
Whoa.

TailgateNut
09-14-2011, 05:17 PM
You might make a decent cum dumpster.

Spoken like a true Tebonite. Just like the Cross wearing dillwad who was part of the gang of three who sat behind me (in the handicap seats) screaming BS at or about Orton for 3 qtrs.

OABB
09-14-2011, 05:19 PM
You might make a decent cum dumpster.

This made my whole ****ing year!!!!


all hail the internetz!



****ing awesome man.

OABB
09-14-2011, 05:21 PM
Tebow might make a decent TE.

I agree. He's an exceptional athlete. How many qb's who are better than our 7 year starter could also play TE? wow the guy is an animal.

Hamrob
09-14-2011, 07:00 PM
Kyle Orton will play better agains the Bungles. I guarentee it. The Raiders have one hell of a Dline. They took a way our run game and made us one dimensional with a immobile QB.

We should have stuck Tebow in there a few times to help soften them up. He would have taken off and picked up huge yards or found guys on the run.

The bottom line is this. I don't care who the QB is...if you can't run the ball and stop the run in the NFL........you're not going to win.

I want to see Tebow play, because he is exciting and makes plays. But, he would have made just as many mistakes as Orton against the Fade, and I'm not sure the result would have been any different.

If we can get better against the run and learn how to hit the holes...Orton will do well. I'd start by showing Slowshon the door! I'd then start looking at the scrap heap for DT help.

What I don't want to see: Is play Tebow, see him struggle, and then give up on him.

TailgateNut
09-14-2011, 07:05 PM
Kyle Orton will play better agains the Bungles. I guarentee it. The Raiders have one hell of a Dline. They took a way our run game and made us one dimensional with a immobile QB.

We should have stuck Tebow in there a few times to help soften them up. He would have taken off and picked up huge yards or found guys on the run.

The bottom line is this. I don't care who the QB is...if you can't run the ball and stop the run in the NFL........you're not going to win.

I want to see Tebow play, because he is exciting and makes plays. But, he would have made just as many mistakes as Orton against the Fade, and I'm not sure the result would have been any different.

If we can get better against the run and learn how to hit the holes...Orton will do well. I'd start by showing Slowshon the door! I'd then start looking at the scrap heap for DT help.

What I don't want to see: Is play Tebow, see him struggle, and then give up on him.


Why not! Most of us don't want him in because we feel he's not ready, and we're not ready to give up the season just to see.

DBroncos4life
09-14-2011, 07:06 PM
You might make a decent cum dumpster.

I hope you enjoy your time off with Mac!!!

Archer81
09-14-2011, 07:10 PM
You might make a decent cum dumpster.


Was that really necessary? Better ways to make an argument then to go as low as humanly possible.


:Broncos:

maven
09-14-2011, 07:14 PM
You might make a decent cum dumpster.

Hilarious!

spdirty
09-14-2011, 07:19 PM
Luck and Tebow on the same roster would be the same crap different year.

Yeah, that's why we'd trade Tebow, let Orton walk and try to resign Quinn as the backup. Then problem solved, mess over. All we have to do is be the worst team in the league this year.

spdirty
09-14-2011, 07:22 PM
The problem is that there are thousands who are TimBoy fans 1st who just stumbled onto the Broncos, but hundreds of thousands of Bronco Fans of which some are TimBoy fans. But the later want the Broncos to succeed regardless of who is the QB. The TimBoy fans couldn't give a **** less about the end result as long as their boy gets to play.

I'd say you're full of chit till I went to the bills game and saw all the ****ing gator jerseys. Disgusting, but your point is right.

I think a lot of Broncos fans that want Tebow to start now are sick of the Orton show, want to see what he does, and just want the damn qb issue to be resolved, whether our qbotf is tebow, luck, Barkley, etc.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 07:23 PM
Yeah, that's why we'd trade Tebow, let Orton walk and try to resign Quinn as the backup. Then problem solved, mess over. All we have to do is be the worst team in the league this year.

We might not "have to do" anything, bro.

JDB7821
09-14-2011, 07:45 PM
I don't recall ever seeing so much of the UF crap in the preTebow years @ Broncos games.

The better question is how many of these "long term fans" are going to move on with him if he is shipped off to somewhere else. Some here are already quitting over it

I started following the Broncos when Cutler was drafted and then Tebow recaptured my interest. I'm not a long term fan, but it's clear to me the Broncos need to see what they have in Tebow THIS season. Tebow IS going to take a couple of more years to completely develop into a passer, but that's time the Broncos don't have the luxury of using on him. I say they need to see what they have in him this season because Luck is the absolute perfect fit for the Broncos and they cannot pass on him, even if they have to trade up.

It's almost time to follow the Browns' model of dealing with a quarterback controversy. When you have two mediocre guys, ship them both out and start over. Mediocre quarterbacks are a dime a dozen, but players like Luck are hard to come by. He'd have the full support of the front office and coaches, which is something it doesn't seem Tebow will ever have.

swaiy
09-14-2011, 07:47 PM
You might make a decent cum dumpster.

That caught me off guard. Hilarious!

FireFly
09-14-2011, 07:52 PM
lol this. FFS a LOT of people are even screaming for Quinn.

It's not because of Tebow we boo Orton... it's because of Kyle ****ing Orton.

I agree with this.

I'm one of those who think we'd be better off with Quinn than Orton.

I'd rather start Quinn, have Tebow back up and be used in certain game situations and get rid of Orton.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-14-2011, 08:10 PM
That caught me off guard. Hilarious!

I'd imagine it usually does.

swaiy
09-14-2011, 08:22 PM
I'd imagine it usually does.

Ah, a Kyle Orton fan. You're one liner was as lackluster as his play.

barryr
09-14-2011, 08:25 PM
I think people are frustrated watching Orton continue to struggle to makle quick decisions and seemingly always getting sacked in the red zone at the worst times and with his lack of mobility, he has to be able to get rid of the ball quickly after making a good, quick decision if the play breaks down. He just never shows that ability while Tebow has when given a little chance and can obviously do something with his legs and not just stand there taking sacks.

broncosteven
09-14-2011, 08:55 PM
I started following the Broncos when Cutler was drafted and then Tebow recaptured my interest. I'm not a long term fan, but it's clear to me the Broncos need to see what they have in Tebow THIS season. Tebow IS going to take a couple of more years to completely develop into a passer, but that's time the Broncos don't have the luxury of using on him. I say they need to see what they have in him this season because Luck is the absolute perfect fit for the Broncos and they cannot pass on him, even if they have to trade up.

It's almost time to follow the Browns' model of dealing with a quarterback controversy. When you have two mediocre guys, ship them both out and start over. Mediocre quarterbacks are a dime a dozen, but players like Luck are hard to come by. He'd have the full support of the front office and coaches, which is something it doesn't seem Tebow will ever have.

Speaking of below avg QB's what is your take on Matty "ICE"?

He looked very bad vs duh bears.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-14-2011, 10:25 PM
Ah, a Kyle Orton fan. You're one liner was as lackluster as his play.

Wrong, but it's never stopped you before. Please to continue, whoeveryouare.

Mile High Mojoe
09-14-2011, 11:02 PM
Wow! You talk about Hooey! I don't buy this at all. The reason I want Tebow to start is because he might help the Broncos win a game. I don't have some man crush on Tebow, I think Orton sucks. He has for over 2 years. How many games does he have to flush down the toilet before this BS stonewall defense for him tumbles to the ground?

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 11:43 PM
Was that really necessary? Better ways to make an argument then to go as low as humanly possible.


:Broncos:

No it wasn't necessary. He just triggered all the loathing i have for the "Tebow would make a great tight end/fullback" idiots. Couldn't help myself.

Blueflame
09-15-2011, 12:29 AM
You might make a decent cum dumpster.

So might you.... but I rather doubt Tebow thinks of you "like that".

swaiy
09-15-2011, 12:44 AM
Wrong, but it's never stopped you before. Please to continue, whoeveryouare.

"whoeveryouare." That's clever.


Apparently you've mistaken me for someone that gives a **** about being popular on the internet. I've got news for you, junior. You're not funny. I hope you like being "known" on here. Put it on your resume. Nerd.

Go outside and get some sunshine when you get a chance and hop off my sack.

Oh and here's the "lol" you were looking for when you posted that ****ty, not witty, one liner. Douchebag.

HAT
09-15-2011, 12:52 AM
"whoeveryouare." That's clever.


Apparently you've mistaken me for someone that gives a **** about being popular on the internet. I've got news for you, junior. You're not funny. I hope you like being "known" on here. Put it on your resume. Nerd.



To be fair....I don't think he was referring to you as whoeveryouare as a slam for being "new" or unknown. New posters just usually get assumed to be alternate ID's for banned ones for a while.

swaiy
09-15-2011, 12:56 AM
To be fair....I don't think he was referring to you as whoeveryouare as a slam for being "new" or unknown. New posters just usually get assumed to be alternate ID's for banned ones for a while.

Oh I see. Well, this is my first account and he's still a dickhead.

fontaine
09-15-2011, 05:25 AM
Orton is the better qb, at this time. But when the team is clearly just crap and the best case is maybe six wins, and that's not gonna happen after Mon night, it's just being a b**** to criticize fans who want to see the best college player ever get a shot.

Personally, my guess is that Dove Valley wants to give tebow as much practice time as possible before the inevitable benching of Orton.

I agree with most of this except for Orton being a better QB at this time.

Orton is a better QB if the OL can buy him time. Since it's clear that Walton/Beadles can't handle pressure from up the middle and Franklin really struggled against the speed rush then it makes Orton useless, literally.

Watching the game Orton completed something like 40% of his passes when he was under pressure which was like half the time, even in a shotgun formation.

Walton/Beadles aren't going to improve in the next few weeks and Franklin will struggle against speed rushers all year long.

That pretty much leaves and DC with a simple gameplan to load up against the run, put his best cover guy on Lloyd with safety help (because Orton tends to lock onto him) and send pressure up the middle against our weak a$$ interior.

The only part of that equation changes if Tebow plays because his athleticism/mobility allow him to move the pocket, gain yards with his feet etc etc.

We don't just suck because of those three OL, no running game and Orton, we also suck because any DC that can watch the game film can put together an effective gameplan against Orton in five minutes.

Hell, the coaches realized this and had no choice but to put Orton in the shotgun and still he wasn't good enough because he has no mobility, awful pocket presence and throws the ball away as if three and out in the red zone is no big deal because we've some how got an all world defense?

That's why Orton lost me in that game. The defense sucked against the run, but there were signs of improvement, except for a few huge runs we mostly contained the run. So when the D does it's part and gets a turnover, or forces a punt then the offense HAS GOT to take advantage.

We're not good enough to come from behind, Orton knows, the coaches know it, the opposition knows it. Yet Orton kepth throwing the ball away, not trying to make something happen and lead this team like his job demands it.

Cutler was a complete douche but even in his 1st/2nd year he knew this and would go all out to pick up long gains because he knew he had to make every drive count (even if it meant taking risks) because our defense couldn't stop anyone.

strafen
09-15-2011, 06:59 AM
Oh I see. Well, this is my first account and he's still a dickhead.

Don't worry dude. TheElusiveKyleOrton is assHAT alter ego. Those two idiots were and perhaps still are the biggest McDaniels nuthuggers ever to post here.
If you think supporting a worthless QB like Orton was ridiculous, you should've been here when these two idiots were justifying McD stupid moves as he made them one after another...

deltbucs
09-15-2011, 07:21 AM
The fans know what's best for the team....Not Elway or Fox! Tebow, Tebow, Tebow!


Keep it up guys. This is great!

alkemical
09-15-2011, 07:36 AM
The fans know what's best for the team....Not Elway or Fox! Tebow, Tebow, Tebow!


Keep it up guys. This is great!

I bet you're Kyle Orton!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-15-2011, 07:59 AM
Oh I see. Well, this is my first account and he's still a dickhead.

While you come off as a highly intelligent contributor to the board? Try again.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-15-2011, 08:01 AM
The defense sucked against the run, but there were signs of improvement, except for a few huge runs we mostly contained the run.

190 yards. Couldn't get a stop up the middle when all we needed was a stop up the middle. 2nd and 9, they run for 13. And it happened all night.

How is that "mostly containing the run"?

swaiy
09-15-2011, 08:03 AM
While you come off as a highly intelligent contributor to the board? Try again.

Good Lord... Hop off my nuts. I saw something funny. I quoted it. Whoopty freakin doo.

Of course while it still remains to be seen that I come off as a highly intelligent contributor, I know for a fact that you aren't. The past 2 years I've been reading your idiotic posts. ****ing moron. As I previously stated, hop off my sack.

You tried to be funny and failed. No "lol" for you. It's over. Move on.

crawdad
09-15-2011, 08:21 AM
This made my whole ****ing year!!!!


all hail the internetz!



****ing awesome man.

You are as big of an idiot as the OP!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-15-2011, 08:23 AM
Good Lord... Hop off my nuts. I saw something funny. I quoted it. Whoopty freakin doo.

Of course while it still remains to be seen that I come off as a highly intelligent contributor, I know for a fact that you aren't. The past 2 years I've been reading your idiotic posts. ****ing moron. As I previously stated, hop off my sack.

You tried to be funny and failed. No "lol" for you. It's over. Move on.

Oh, I see! you think I'm angling for "lol"s. Adorable.

I've got bad news: The jury is in on whether or not you're a highly intelligent poster.

swaiy
09-15-2011, 08:35 AM
Oh, I see! you think I'm angling for "lol"s. Adorable.

I've got bad news: The jury is in on whether or not you're a highly intelligent poster.

I guess I have the leg up considering I haven't already posted 7,000+ times worth of bull****. Everyone already knows you're remedial. Hop off my nuts.

First, you thought I was somebody with a new name. Secondly, you still seem to think I give a crap what you think lol. Third, I laugh at something someone has said and you find the need to respond to me for some reason unknown to me. I believe you're the one that's "adorable." Only my usage of the word "adorable" has undertones. In other words, I think you're obsessed.

Please, stop quoting me. It's getting embarrassing having TheElusiveDouchebag constantly waiting on me to make a response. Do you not get enough attention? You're such a nerd lol. It's comical.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-15-2011, 08:53 AM
"Nerrrrrrrrd!"

You sure showed me. "lol!"

bronco militia
09-15-2011, 08:54 AM
190 yards. Couldn't get a stop up the middle when all we needed was a stop up the middle. 2nd and 9, they run for 13. And it happened all night.

How is that "mostly containing the run"?

compared to 2010, the broncos mostly contained the run

:~ohyah!:

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-15-2011, 08:56 AM
compared to 2010, the broncos mostly contained the run

:~ohyah!:

That's tough but fair. At least it wasn't 300 yards.

Did the McDaniels regime ever have a running game that was as inept as 38 yards? I honestly don't remember, but... I mean, I can't remember the last time we ran for so few yards.

WolfpackGuy
09-15-2011, 09:02 AM
I'm sure the Ravens games in 2009 and 2010 had pretty chitty rushing yard totals.

swaiy
09-15-2011, 09:07 AM
"Nerrrrrrrrd!"

You sure showed me. "lol!"


http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/disapoint/grand/50_very_disapoint_gif%20.gif

fontaine
09-15-2011, 01:13 PM
190 yards. Couldn't get a stop up the middle when all we needed was a stop up the middle. 2nd and 9, they run for 13. And it happened all night.

How is that "mostly containing the run"?

Because almost 100 yards came at the end of the 3rd Quarter and in the 4th where they were getting yards in big chunks. Right around the time Orton fumbles.

The Broncos D was never going to hold up for all 4 quarters, the idea was to be ahead or at least even going into the 4th so we could keep the D off the field and they did their job as the Raiders scored only 16 going into the 4th quarter.

Before Orton coughed up the ball that is. The D doesn't get a pass, they still were awful in the end but they gave the offense a chance to close the deal going into the 4th quarter which couldn't be said for most of last year.

Hogan11
09-16-2011, 07:36 AM
He's no Moreno...

At least Moreno could win the starting job.

Hogan11
09-16-2011, 07:39 AM
and then there was this disgusting rag I saw on 16th Street last week

Blueflame
09-16-2011, 07:43 AM
and then there was this disgusting rag I saw on 16th Street last week

Did you buy it? ;D



(sorry... couldn't resist... LOL)

Hogan11
09-16-2011, 07:45 AM
Did you buy it? ;D



(sorry... couldn't resist... LOL)

My nose didn't start running till my last day in town, so no...I had no use for it whatsoever

Blueflame
09-16-2011, 07:47 AM
My nose didn't start running till my last day in town, so no...I had no use for it whatsoever

LOL Ha! ROFL!

gunns
09-16-2011, 08:31 AM
Good Lord... Hop off my nuts. I saw something funny. I quoted it. Whoopty freakin doo.

Of course while it still remains to be seen that I come off as a highly intelligent contributor, I know for a fact that you aren't. The past 2 years I've been reading your idiotic posts. ****ing moron. As I previously stated, hop off my sack.

You tried to be funny and failed. No "lol" for you. It's over. Move on.

What's with the continous hop off my nuts. He did the same thing, quoted you. Don't over emphasize someone dogging on your post, especially when you dogged on his. Welcome to the Mane.

gunns
09-16-2011, 09:29 AM
find me anyone who was NOT a Broncos fan before we drafted Tebow who is clamoring for him to be a starter by calling into sports radio or sending letters to the newspaper demanding that Orton be benched? the media is fueling this because it makes for a good story. the long term fans are invested in the debate because we're sick of losing... but the housewife from FL who likes Tebow's values or the 9-year old kid from Iowa who has a Tebow jersey are NOT the ones making Elway's life hard. that's the media doing that. and although they do make stuff up on their own just to cause trouble, for the most part, the media is reacting to the dedicated Broncos fans who pre-date Tebow.

the people you see at the stadium wearing #15 jerseys and chanting Tebow are longterm fans who just happen to like Tebow, but would be chanting for whatever backup QB we had to be put in over Orton after seeing us go down by 13 at halftime to the Raiders.

I think you are wrong there. It's the fans that are fueling the media. And I think if you notice those of us that have been fans for over 25-30 years (me, 41) are the ones that don't see Tebow doing for the Broncos what the rest of you do. No, we also don't think Orton will. Some of us do want to see what Tebow can do, just in case. We feel he's a good guy, with a great work ethic, but not a good QB.

Many of you say, yes he's a project and we just need to work with him. If this was a case where we had an Elway and could spend a couple of years working with him, go for it. But at this point, we don't have the time to waste "working on him" for a couple of years, unless 8-8 seasons satisfy you. Either he has it or he doesn't. I agree, start him, let's see, although I don't see him changing this season. Then if he doesn't have it, shut up and move on. If he does have it, the Broncos win, which is what we all want.

AlphaSeirra
09-16-2011, 10:25 AM
Memo to Broncos fans: Give Tebow time to develop Because hard as it may be to swallow, Denver, Tebow's only chance of making it in the NFL is through careful study, hard work and, yep, a lot of sitting. [/I]

http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/story/15575063/memo-to-broncos-fans-give-tebow-time-to-develop

Is that so genius? LOL

So, that's why they benched Elway after he sucked so bad in his first game, unlike Tebow in his 1st game?

So, that's why they benched P.Manning for throwing an NFL Rookie QB Record for Season Interceptions, on his way to a 3-13 rookie season?

NOT!

Apparently, for Elway and Peyton, a lot of 'on the field playing time to gain actual game time experience' was the way to develope into a top-flite NFL QB.... :kungfu:

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-16-2011, 11:21 AM
I think you are wrong there. It's the fans that are fueling the media. And I think if you notice those of us that have been fans for over 25-30 years (me, 41) are the ones that don't see Tebow doing for the Broncos what the rest of you do. No, we also don't think Orton will. Some of us do want to see what Tebow can do, just in case. We feel he's a good guy, with a great work ethic, but not a good QB.

Many of you say, yes he's a project and we just need to work with him. If this was a case where we had an Elway and could spend a couple of years working with him, go for it. But at this point, we don't have the time to waste "working on him" for a couple of years, unless 8-8 seasons satisfy you. Either he has it or he doesn't. I agree, start him, let's see, although I don't see him changing this season. Then if he doesn't have it, shut up and move on. If he does have it, the Broncos win, which is what we all want.

It is absolutely the fans driving this vehicle. Not even close.

Every mailbag in the Denver paper, every live chat with Burger Bill at ESPN, every single one has AT LEAST ONE letter/comment from the public about "why isn't Tebow starting?" or "Tebow should start!" or "I'm buying a billboard to support Timmy!" And those are just the letters/comments that they print. Undoubtedly, there are more.

TonyR
09-16-2011, 11:35 AM
...Apparently, for Elway and Peyton...

I don't totally discount your overall point, but I think the comparison to Elway and Manning is a little bit flawed because they came into the league a lot more pro offense ready than Tebow and without the fundamental flaws. But I do agree, in particular, that the best way to get better is to play.

TailgateNut
09-16-2011, 11:35 AM
Is that so genius? LOL

So, that's why they benched Elway after he sucked so bad in his first game, unlike Tebow in his 1st game?

So, that's why they benched P.Manning for throwing an NFL Rookie QB Record for Season Interceptions, on his way to a 3-13 rookie season?

NOT!

Apparently, for Elway and Peyton, a lot of 'on the field playing time to gain actual game time experience' was the way to develope into a top-flite NFL QB.... :kungfu:


Nothin' like comparing Tebow to two of the NFLs' best QB's before he's earned that distinction.Hilarious!
See, this is what drives us "doubter" up the ****ing wall. The Gods' gift to football concept!

Dedhed
09-16-2011, 11:40 AM
People calling for tebow to start, and spending time, energy and rage on this are just doing their very best Gus Frerotte exercises (in Futility)... :gus:

But the people expecting Orton to succeed are tending a tree that's likely to bear fruit? Yeah, ok.

Gort
09-16-2011, 11:46 AM
I think you are wrong there. It's the fans that are fueling the media. And I think if you notice those of us that have been fans for over 25-30 years (me, 41) are the ones that don't see Tebow doing for the Broncos what the rest of you do. No, we also don't think Orton will. Some of us do want to see what Tebow can do, just in case. We feel he's a good guy, with a great work ethic, but not a good QB.

Many of you say, yes he's a project and we just need to work with him. If this was a case where we had an Elway and could spend a couple of years working with him, go for it. But at this point, we don't have the time to waste "working on him" for a couple of years, unless 8-8 seasons satisfy you. Either he has it or he doesn't. I agree, start him, let's see, although I don't see him changing this season. Then if he doesn't have it, shut up and move on. If he does have it, the Broncos win, which is what we all want.

i've followed the Broncos since 1977. i'm a "we", not a "you". i'd like to see Orton benched because he brings nothing to the table. I'd like Tebow to play so we can find out what he can do with an offense adapted to fit his skills. i don't think the people who didn't care one way or the other about the Broncos until Tebow was drafted are the ones calling into Denver sports radio or complaining to the Denver Post about Tebow not playing. i think the ones who are doing that are longtime fans who are sick of Orton and his negatives and don't want to see us go 2-14 this year with Orton at QB. if you'll recall, the same thing happened in Orton's first year here before there was any notion that we would draft Tebow. the same Broncos fans who are complaining now are probably the ones who demanded that we bench Orton and see what Simms could do.

however, this wouldn't matter at all if the media stopped stoking the flames. the don't have to publish any reader comment they don't like and sports radio doesn't have to take any call they don't like. if they wanted this to go away (and they don't), they'd stop leading off their shows with it or writing an article about it every couple of days. don't believe me? check out the stories filed Tuesday by the Denver Post writers. Woody Paige wrote an article about Orton being replaced. and if you check their website, they have a section called "Tebow Watch". the media is absolutely complicit in fueling this. alot of fans are getting their opinions from what they are reading and hearing in the local sports media.

gunns
09-16-2011, 01:46 PM
i've followed the Broncos since 1977. i'm a "we", not a "you". i'd like to see Orton benched because he brings nothing to the table. I'd like Tebow to play so we can find out what he can do with an offense adapted to fit his skills. i don't think the people who didn't care one way or the other about the Broncos until Tebow was drafted are the ones calling into Denver sports radio or complaining to the Denver Post about Tebow not playing. i think the ones who are doing that are longtime fans who are sick of Orton and his negatives and don't want to see us go 2-14 this year with Orton at QB. if you'll recall, the same thing happened in Orton's first year here before there was any notion that we would draft Tebow. the same Broncos fans who are complaining now are probably the ones who demanded that we bench Orton and see what Simms could do.

however, this wouldn't matter at all if the media stopped stoking the flames. the don't have to publish any reader comment they don't like and sports radio doesn't have to take any call they don't like. if they wanted this to go away (and they don't), they'd stop leading off their shows with it or writing an article about it every couple of days. don't believe me? check out the stories filed Tuesday by the Denver Post writers. Woody Paige wrote an article about Orton being replaced. and if you check their website, they have a section called "Tebow Watch". the media is absolutely complicit in fueling this. alot of fans are getting their opinions from what they are reading and hearing in the local sports media.

The bolded area is exactly what I said. I was one that freaked out about us drafting Tebow. Reminds me of sticking anybody in a needed position ala Shanahan and the D. To me, it was a prime example of McD's ego thinking he could "fix" him. We don't have time to "fix" him but I would like to see how much needs to be fixed. But I'm not going to scream and holler about it making the excuse that he could save our season. Because I do not believe he will. If he does we all win. Tebowites can enjoy me eating crow, and the Broncos win. If he doesn't I'll be satisfied with this freak out over him stopping. I really wish they had been able to trade Orton but they didn't. It didn't change anything because the QB position is what it is over all 3 QB's.

As far as the people calling radio channels not having been Bronco fans, just take a look at the Mane. They have been Bronco fans. And yes the media is keeping the fires going but it is definitely the fans that have started them and keep fanning them.

richdream88
09-17-2011, 09:35 AM
If at first, you don't succeed, you're not Tim Tebow.

TailgateNut
09-17-2011, 10:00 AM
If at first, you don't succeed, you're not Tim Tebow.

LOL


If at first, you don't succeed, you're Tim Tebow

teknic
09-17-2011, 12:03 PM
LOL


If at first, you don't succeed, you're Tim Tebow

Short memory, or what?

In Tebow's first three starts ever, which were in less than ideal conditions of having a coaching staff in shambles and less than a week of practice with the first team, he won rookie of the week, threw for more than 600 yards, set a franchise record for QBs with a 40yd TD run, had the highest QB rating for a rookie in his first starts ever (if you use ESPN's total QB rating, he looks even better because it takes into account his rushing) and was able to motivate the team and keep a 4-12 team competitive in the very last weeks.

I know it's a small sample size, but c'mon, you can't deny that he looked impressive for a rookie. QBs generally don't play their best football in their first starts, and without practice. Let Tebow play this season and he can only get better.

Dedhed
09-17-2011, 12:34 PM
LOL


If at first, you don't succeed, you're Tim Tebow
Wow, this post speaks far louder than you know.

Bronco Yoda
09-17-2011, 12:50 PM
But...but.... he's got them there some funny lookn' throwing doohicky thingamabobs in his hitch. Or so the talking heads tell us.

That's what counts!