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Taco John
09-14-2011, 01:17 AM
If I counted this right - and I think I did - here is an interesting fact that is worth taking note of:

Of the Broncos 59 offensive plays against the Raiders, 46 of them were run out of the shotgun formation (77%).

Goobzilla
09-14-2011, 01:22 AM
If only we had a QB that could excel in a shotgun offense. Now where would you find a guy like that?

Doggcow
09-14-2011, 01:24 AM
If only we had a QB that could excel in a shotgun offense. Now where would you find a guy like that?

No way we could find one like that.

Taco John
09-14-2011, 01:27 AM
I think that there is a message written somewhere between the lines with this stat.

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 01:29 AM
I think that there is a message written somewhere between the lines with this stat.

That our coaching staff has their heads so far up their own asses they can see the back of their tonsils?

"Hey lets run a lot of shotgun, but not play our best shotgun QB." ::)

broncocalijohn
09-14-2011, 01:30 AM
Shotgun started early or when we noticed we couldnt run and play action wasnt going to fool them?

theAPAOps5
09-14-2011, 01:36 AM
I think that there is a message written somewhere between the lines with this stat.

Yeah, it is Denver has bumpkiss for an OLine so we better give Mr. Concrete shoes ad much room as possible to avoid the rush.

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 01:40 AM
Yeah, it is Denver has bumpkiss for an OLine so we better give Mr. Concrete shoes ad much room as possible to avoid the rush.

Didn't work unfortunately...

theAPAOps5
09-14-2011, 01:42 AM
Didn't work unfortunately...

I know, I was 19 row back.

Agamemnon
09-14-2011, 01:42 AM
I know, I was 19 row back.

I'm sorry.

theAPAOps5
09-14-2011, 01:43 AM
I'm not, it is still Broncos football and it was live. Take what I can get.

Ratboy
09-14-2011, 02:13 AM
I have an idea to give Orton more room.

We'll replace Walton with Lonnie Paxton and just have him long snap to Orton who will be 15 yards behind the line.

serious hops
09-14-2011, 02:30 AM
There's plenty of room on the bench if Orton feels too crowded on the field.

Just sayin'.

TailgateNut
09-14-2011, 02:39 AM
I'm sorry.

Yes you are.

TailgateNut
09-14-2011, 02:40 AM
I know, I was 19 row back.

I was in 20

Spider
09-14-2011, 02:58 AM
I'm not, it is still Broncos football and it was live. Take what I can get.

i would have love to been there .. I watched the game in compton cali...710 and rosecrans.....

Spider
09-14-2011, 02:59 AM
I'm sorry.

that doesnt. Even begin to cover it puss boy

Jesterhole
09-14-2011, 06:35 AM
Probably because our O-line was a freakin' turnstile all night, they wanted to get our fleet footed WonderQB as far away from the defense as possible.

I wouldn't be suprised to seem them start long snapping it to Orton.

Aftermath
09-14-2011, 06:42 AM
The Denver Broncos are a ****1ng joke.

Lolad
09-14-2011, 06:56 AM
On more than half of Orton sacks he could have stepped up and ran for several yards. The Raiders play a man defense so they had their back turned. Orton doesn't do well throwing the ball when moved but whats new...

MagicHef
09-14-2011, 07:10 AM
The Denver Broncos are a ****1ng joke.

I have a question. Did you really think that changing the i to a 1 would get the first 4 letters of that word past the language filter?

orinjkrush
09-14-2011, 07:18 AM
I think that there is a message written somewhere between the lines with this stat.

i hope that its setting the stage for a Tebow entrance in short order.

srphoenix
09-14-2011, 07:34 AM
just curious, what is the first week that Tebow could take over but still not hit the contract escalator?

alkemical
09-14-2011, 07:37 AM
I think that there is a message written somewhere between the lines with this stat.

Sooner, rather than later, eh?

jhns
09-14-2011, 07:46 AM
The line was not that bad in pass blocking. Orton had lots of time on te majority of plays. They got pressure by blitzing multiple guys. It is the coaches job to call screens and quick passes to stop the blitz. It is Ortons job to get the ball out and make them pay for the blitz. No line blocks all of those extra defenders rushing. They suck at run blocking but wrre pretty good at pass blocking.

As for the shotgun, that is surprising.

Kaylore
09-14-2011, 07:57 AM
I have a question. Did you really think that changing the i to a 1 would get the first 4 letters of that word past the language filter?

LOL

vonqkilla
09-14-2011, 08:03 AM
”Fox knows what you and I know, but he (A) doesn't want to lose the players in the locker room, (B) understands that he can't keep Orton as a sulking backup on the bench, and (C) believes genuinely the Broncos will win with Orton and not with Tebow, who doesn't have much, if any, private support in the Broncos' chain of command. ” woody paige


Bye Tim, we will miss you.

Eldorado
09-14-2011, 08:19 AM
just curious, what is the first week that Tebow could take over but still not hit the contract escalator?

It's 55% of snaps, so kind of a moving target. To be on the safe side I would guess game 10.

Chris
09-14-2011, 08:38 AM
I think people are underestimating the turmoil in the locker room after Orton was BENCHED last year in favour of Tebow. It's been hinted at by Elway and I think Orton put up enough of a stink to really divide the locker room. Another reason to dislike Kyle Orton. He thinks he owns this job rather than going out and winning it every week.

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 08:43 AM
I think people are underestimating the turmoil in the locker room after Orton was BENCHED last year in favour of Tebow. It's been hinted at by Elway and I think Orton put up enough of a stink to really divide the locker room. Another reason to dislike Kyle Orton. He thinks he owns this job rather than going out and winning it every week.

So you're saying the FO's inability to trade the pile of **** was a massive detriment to the team OUTSIDE of the 9 extra million dollars we couldve spent on young hyper talented guys like Cofield and Joseph and Posluszny?

Boobs McGee
09-14-2011, 08:43 AM
I have an idea to give Orton more room.

We'll replace Walton with Lonnie Paxton and just have him long snap to Orton who will be 15 yards behind the line.

hahaha my buddy and I were talking about the same thing, we dubbed it the "super shotgun".

TheReverend
09-14-2011, 08:45 AM
hahaha my buddy and I were talking about the same thing, we dubbed it the "super shotgun".

...but then Kyle couldnt throw past the LOS

gyldenlove
09-14-2011, 08:45 AM
If I counted this right - and I think I did - here is an interesting fact that is worth taking note of:

Of the Broncos 59 offensive plays against the Raiders, 46 of them were run out of the shotgun formation (77%).

You definitely didn't count right, we ran 64 offensive plays.

Chris
09-14-2011, 08:49 AM
So you're saying the FO's inability to trade the pile of **** was a massive detriment to the team OUTSIDE of the 9 extra million dollars we couldve spent on young hyper talented guys like Cofield and Joseph and Posluszny?

I think they were too afraid of repeating last season quite frankly. It is what it is. Overall I saw an improved team out there last night.

Dagmar
09-14-2011, 08:51 AM
It's 55% of snaps, so kind of a moving target. To be on the safe side I would guess game 10.

Could we make it week 8? The Lions will kill Orton.

Boobs McGee
09-14-2011, 08:51 AM
...but then Kyle couldnt throw past the LOS

CIDTL (for a gain of 5)

bendog
09-14-2011, 09:05 AM
I don't know. In the entire game, when they ran on first down they got more than 3 yards one time. They're pathetic.

Gort
09-14-2011, 09:24 AM
I don't know. In the entire game, when they ran on first down they got more than 3 yards one time. They're pathetic.

Fox isn't exactly known for being creative on offense.

expect us to run on 1st down all year.
expect the defense to know that.
expect us to be 2nd and long all year.

I really like the fact the Carolina Panthers are trying to be creative with their offense.

They weren’t even close to being creative when John Fox and Jeff Davidson were running the show. I’d say the last time the Panthers showed any creativity on offense was back when Dan Henning was the coordinator, but I know there are plenty of Carolina fans that wouldn’t go along with that. They’d say the last time the Panthers had an interesting offense was in George Seifert’s first two seasons.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/23525/panthers-dont-need-gimmicks

buckle your seat belts folks, this season is going to be brutal. :(

Tombstone RJ
09-14-2011, 09:31 AM
If I counted this right - and I think I did - here is an interesting fact that is worth taking note of:

Of the Broncos 59 offensive plays against the Raiders, 46 of them were run out of the shotgun formation (77%).

that's what happens when you are playing from behind...

bronco militia
09-14-2011, 09:38 AM
I think people are underestimating the turmoil in the locker room after Orton was BENCHED last year in favour of Tebow. It's been hinted at by Elway and I think Orton put up enough of a stink to really divide the locker room. Another reason to dislike Kyle Orton. He thinks he owns this job rather than going out and winning it every week.

a few more sacks and turnovers in the redzone and the locker room won't have much of a choice

bendog
09-14-2011, 09:43 AM
Sean Payton likes running on first down. so did Shanny when he turned the WC into a running offense with, as I recall, five different guys going over 1000 ... regularly.

Indy's the only team that plays late in the season and doesn't consistently run. Even NE made teams respect the run.

Last year and this year, defenses can just play 6 in the box and cheat out a linebacker. It's like ... not fair.

Taco John
09-14-2011, 09:44 AM
You definitely didn't count right, we ran 64 offensive plays.

You're right. I didn't count Orton's 5 sacks. The Shotgun number is still correct.

strafen
09-14-2011, 09:49 AM
I have a question. Did you really think that changing the i to a 1 would get the first 4 letters of that word past the language filter?I'm pretty sure he's still trying to figure out why that did not work as planned...ROFL! Ha! LOL

Dedhed
09-14-2011, 11:05 AM
If I counted this right - and I think I did - here is an interesting fact that is worth taking note of:

Of the Broncos 59 offensive plays against the Raiders, 46 of them were run out of the shotgun formation (77%).
I was wondering about that. It seemed like they were in the shotgun a lot, and they certainly were. Just another tick in the Tebow column.

I'd like to go deeper and see how Orton performed from under center.

BroncoFiend
09-14-2011, 11:11 AM
If only we had a QB that could excel in a shotgun offense. Now where would you find a guy like that?

And with our o-line troubles we would need a mobile QB that can make plays outside of the pocket. Too bad we don't have one of those either.

Dedhed
09-14-2011, 11:13 AM
just curious, what is the first week that Tebow could take over but still not hit the contract escalator?

Assuming an equal number of snaps in each game, I think they could give Tebow the full time job starting in the 4th quarter of game 9.

BroncoFiend
09-14-2011, 11:13 AM
Fox isn't exactly known for being creative on offense.

expect us to run on 1st down all year.
expect the defense to know that.
expect us to be 2nd and long all year.



http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/23525/panthers-dont-need-gimmicks

buckle your seat belts folks, this season is going to be brutal. :(

There were plenty of first downs that we passed on Monday night, it didn't make the offense creative, but we did pass plenty.

Dedhed
09-14-2011, 11:18 AM
I think people are underestimating the turmoil in the locker room after Orton was BENCHED last year in favour of Tebow. It's been hinted at by Elway and I think Orton put up enough of a stink to really divide the locker room. Another reason to dislike Kyle Orton. He thinks he owns this job rather than going out and winning it every week.

What I find interesting is that every player quote that comes out in support of Orton is from Brandon Lloyd. I haven't heard anything from other guys on offense, and to me it's suspicious that every supportive quote that comes from a player is from the lips of Brandon Lloyd.

I also have a hard time, having watched the reaction of players in his 3 starts last year, believing that Tebow isn't well liked in the locker room.

Taco John
09-14-2011, 11:20 AM
I'd like to go deeper and see how Orton performed from under center.


6 Completions
13 Passes
88 Yards
1 Fumble
1 Sack

Taco John
09-14-2011, 11:25 AM
What I find interesting is that every player quote that comes out in support of Orton is from Brandon Lloyd. I haven't heard anything from other guys on offense, and to me it's suspicious that every supportive quote that comes from a player is from the lips of Brandon Lloyd.


Lloyd is very outspoken, but he's not the only one. Champ Bailey has been very vocal about Orton as well.

Here's a quote from Jason Hunter, of all people...

“Kyle is our starter. He's a human being just like we all are. Sometimes things don't go the way that you want them to go, but you can't just be so quick to jump ship. (Kyle) is going to bounce back and everybody is going to be happy.” -- Linebacker Jason Hunter on critics calling for Orton's relegation to the bench

If Jason Hunter is speaking out, you can be sure he's not doing it on a limb. By all accounts that I've heard, this is the popular consensus in the locker room.

BroncoFiend
09-14-2011, 11:30 AM
Lloyd is very outspoken, but he's not the only one. Champ Bailey has been very vocal about Orton as well.

Here's a quote from Jason Hunter, of all people...

“Kyle is our starter. He's a human being just like we all are. Sometimes things don't go the way that you want them to go, but you can't just be so quick to jump ship. (Kyle) is going to bounce back and everybody is going to be happy.” -- Linebacker Jason Hunter on critics calling for Orton's relegation to the bench

If Jason Hunter is speaking out, you can be sure he's not doing it on a limb. By all accounts that I've heard, this is the popular consensus in the locker room.

The one thing football players want most is stability at QB.

bronco militia
09-14-2011, 11:33 AM
The one thing football players want most is to win.

fixed

PRBronco
09-14-2011, 11:40 AM
Lloyd is very outspoken, but he's not the only one. Champ Bailey has been very vocal about Orton as well.

Here's a quote from Jason Hunter, of all people...

“Kyle is our starter. He's a human being just like we all are. Sometimes things don't go the way that you want them to go, but you can't just be so quick to jump ship. (Kyle) is going to bounce back and everybody is going to be happy.” -- Linebacker Jason Hunter on critics calling for Orton's relegation to the bench

If Jason Hunter is speaking out, you can be sure he's not doing it on a limb. By all accounts that I've heard, this is the popular consensus in the locker room.

I'm thinking Tim should start organizing bowling nights so he has this kind of support. It would be so much easier if he was unendorsable like Orton, he'd have a lot more free time.

bendog
09-14-2011, 11:43 AM
My God, putting bowling balls in the hands of these guys will end up with someone getting seriously hurt.

TonyR
09-14-2011, 11:55 AM
Fox isn't exactly known for being creative on offense.

Is Fox calling the plays? Or McCoy?

jhns
09-14-2011, 11:55 AM
Lloyd is very outspoken, but he's not the only one. Champ Bailey has been very vocal about Orton as well.

Here's a quote from Jason Hunter, of all people...

“Kyle is our starter. He's a human being just like we all are. Sometimes things don't go the way that you want them to go, but you can't just be so quick to jump ship. (Kyle) is going to bounce back and everybody is going to be happy.” -- Linebacker Jason Hunter on critics calling for Orton's relegation to the bench

If Jason Hunter is speaking out, you can be sure he's not doing it on a limb. By all accounts that I've heard, this is the popular consensus in the locker room.

That is such crap. Lloyd is the only one defending Orton. Everyone else is just defending the starter, like they always do. Just finish reading the article were that came from.

"Do you want Kyle to complete all those throws? Absolutely," Haggan said. "Is he human? Yes, he is. Is he going to make mistakes? Yes, he is, and he did. So thats what we have to live with."

"At this point, Coach Fox says Kyle is our starter and were not going to stir up controversy until Coach Fox says differently."

"If the coaches feel Tebow is needed, they will use him. This is the same for any position and quarterback is no different."

Again, the players will be on Tebows side if he starts. Just read Lloyds comments from the offseason, when it looked lkke Orton would be traded. He even said so.

ColoradoDarin
09-14-2011, 11:57 AM
fixed

Not quite....

The one thing football players want most is money.



now it is fixed

Pendejo
09-14-2011, 11:59 AM
Is Fox calling the plays? Or McCoy?

He claims to delegate to his coordinators while maintaining input. Fox gets the last word.

Gort
09-14-2011, 12:00 PM
There were plenty of first downs that we passed on Monday night, it didn't make the offense creative, but we did pass plenty.

you're right. even in the first half, it was heavily tilted toward throwing on 1st down. here are Denver's 1st down plays during the game:

1st-and-10: run +1
1st-and-10: pass +11
1st-and-10: run +1
1st-and-10: incomplete pass
1st-and-10: pass +11
1st-and-10: pass +2, nullified by DEN holding
1st-and-20: incomplete pass
1st-and-10: run +3, fumble recovered by OAK
1st-and-10: run +3
1st-and-10: pass +5
1st-and-10: incomplete pass
1st-and-10: run -3
1st-and-10: pass +16
1st-and-10: pass +11
1st-and-10: incomplete pass
1st-and-10: sack -2
1st-and-10: pass +19
1st-and-10: spike
=== halftime ===
1st-and-10: incomplete pass
1st-and-10: run +9
1st-and-10: incomplete pass
1st-and-10: run (no gain)
1st-and-6: run +1
1st-and-10: pass +11
1st-and-10: pass +23
1st-and-10: sack -4
1st-and-10: pass +4, nullified by DEN holding
1st-and-20: incomplete pass, nullified by OAK pass interference
1st-and-10: sack -9
1st-and-10: incomplete pass, nullified by OAK offsides
1st-and-5: pass +5, nullified by DEN holding
1st-and-15: run +9
1st-and-10: incomplete pass
1st-and-10: pass +15
1st-and-10: pass +6
1st-and-10: incomplete pass, nullified by OAK offsides
1st-and-5: incomplete pass

so here's the breakdown on 1st down after game 1.

1st half run plays on 1st down: 5
1st half pass plays on 1st down: 13
2nd half run play on 1st downs: 4
2nd half pass plays on 1st down: 15

9 runs for 24 yards on 1st down isn't going to get it done.

epicSocialism4tw
09-14-2011, 12:06 PM
Lloyd is very outspoken, but he's not the only one. Champ Bailey has been very vocal about Orton as well.

Here's a quote from Jason Hunter, of all people...

“Kyle is our starter. He's a human being just like we all are. Sometimes things don't go the way that you want them to go, but you can't just be so quick to jump ship. (Kyle) is going to bounce back and everybody is going to be happy.” -- Linebacker Jason Hunter on critics calling for Orton's relegation to the bench

If Jason Hunter is speaking out, you can be sure he's not doing it on a limb. By all accounts that I've heard, this is the popular consensus in the locker room.

If the players cant go out and win games, they shouldn't have a say in who plays QB.

After seeing how undisciplined the team was, it looks like Fox has never established himself as an authority. Right now it looks like a players club.

When the players don't deliver, what do you have then?

Gort
09-14-2011, 12:09 PM
Is Fox calling the plays? Or McCoy?

your offense is the sum total of the plays in your playbook. did you see much that resembled McD's offense from last year like we were promised? i didn't. McCoy may be calling plays, but i didn't see much creative about the play calling either. did you?

bendog
09-14-2011, 12:09 PM
ummm, a ****ty Josh McDaniels bunch of players.

bendog
09-14-2011, 12:10 PM
your offense is the sum total of the plays in your playbook. did you see much that resembled McD's offense from last year like we were promised? i didn't. McCoy may be calling plays, but i didn't see much creative about the play calling either. did you?

When a team can't run on first down, play calling isn't the issue.

Sir_Robin
09-14-2011, 12:11 PM
Lloyd is very outspoken, but he's not the only one. Champ Bailey has been very vocal about Orton as well.

Here's a quote from Jason Hunter, of all people...

“Kyle is our starter. He's a human being just like we all are. Sometimes things don't go the way that you want them to go, but you can't just be so quick to jump ship. (Kyle) is going to bounce back and everybody is going to be happy.” -- Linebacker Jason Hunter on critics calling for Orton's relegation to the bench

If Jason Hunter is speaking out, you can be sure he's not doing it on a limb. By all accounts that I've heard, this is the popular consensus in the locker room.

I'm trying to think of any examples when professional football players haven't supported their starting qb. I'm blank. At best it's a rare exception to not support the starter. It is inconsequential to hear that players support him. The sky is blue, grass is green, etc.

Gort
09-14-2011, 12:15 PM
I'm trying to think of any examples when professional football players haven't supported their starting qb. I'm blank. At best it's a rare exception to not support the starter. It is inconsequential to hear that players support him. The sky is blue, grass is green, etc.

TO vs. McNabb
TO vs. Jeff Garthia
Keyshawn vs. all of his QBs

bendog
09-14-2011, 12:19 PM
I'm trying to think of any examples when professional football players haven't supported their starting qb. I'm blank. At best it's a rare exception to not support the starter. It is inconsequential to hear that players support him. The sky is blue, grass is green, etc.

That's not relevant. The pt was that posters here are saying THEY have a better idea of who the better qb is than do the players (and coaches). And that's absurd.

Deberg didn't lose the support of vets, when he was injured and Elway came in ... and played shaky. Deberg was giving the team a better chance to win, and the players knew it. But everyone knew Elway would get the chance to run the team sooner or later. It came sooner. Tebow will get a shot. Not exclusively out of shotgun though.

jhns
09-14-2011, 12:21 PM
That's not relevant. The pt was that posters here are saying THEY have a better idea of who the better qb is than do the players (and coaches). And that's absurd.

Deberg didn't lose the support of vets, when he was injured and Elway came in ... and played shaky. Deberg was giving the team a better chance to win, and the players knew it. But everyone knew Elway would get the chance to run the team sooner or later. It came sooner. Tebow will get a shot. Not exclusively out of shotgun though.

Show me a player claiming that Orton is better and you will actually have a point.

broncosteven
09-14-2011, 01:02 PM
Fox isn't exactly known for being creative on offense.

expect us to run on 1st down all year.
expect the defense to know that.
expect us to be 2nd and long all year.



http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/23525/panthers-dont-need-gimmicks

buckle your seat belts folks, this season is going to be brutal. :(

I don't know I thought they did well to gameplan around Fells. Everyone knew the raiders were going to want to take away the run and Lloyd so it was smart to go to a new TE.

Plus on the Orton fumble he had Fells wideopen crossing in the middle of the field. We could have at least tied or taken the lead on that drive.

I also thought they made some great adjustments at the half. They shut down oakland and got them off the field until the Orton fumble.

They did everything they could to give the players the best chance at winning that game and Orton, KM, and Bruton did their best to give it away.

I think once they get their feet under them and adjust to the rush we will show improvement. I don't expect Playoffs anytime soon but I think we will become a respectable NFL football team before too long under Fox.

alkemical
09-14-2011, 01:23 PM
TO vs. McNabb
TO vs. Jeff Garthia
Keyshawn vs. all of his QBs

Jeff Garthia was a gamer when he was QB.

bendog
09-14-2011, 01:25 PM
Show me a player claiming that Orton is better and you will actually have a point.

consider me in the camp of people who find you too stupid to even bother respsonding to.

Gort
09-14-2011, 01:25 PM
Jeff Garthia was a gamer when he was QB.

but TO still didn't like him and publicly questioned whether Garthia preferred "tacos" or "hot dogs", although i don't recall whether he did this while still in SF or after leaving.

bendog
09-14-2011, 01:28 PM
you're right. even in the first half, it was heavily tilted toward throwing on 1st down. here are Denver's 1st down plays during the game:

1st-and-10: run +1
1st-and-10: pass +11
1st-and-10: run +1
1st-and-10: incomplete pass
1st-and-10: pass +11
1st-and-10: pass +2, nullified by DEN holding
1st-and-20: incomplete pass
1st-and-10: run +3, fumble recovered by OAK
1st-and-10: run +3
1st-and-10: pass +5
1st-and-10: incomplete pass
1st-and-10: run -3
1st-and-10: pass +16
1st-and-10: pass +11
1st-and-10: incomplete pass
1st-and-10: sack -2
1st-and-10: pass +19
1st-and-10: spike
=== halftime ===
1st-and-10: incomplete pass
1st-and-10: run +9
1st-and-10: incomplete pass
1st-and-10: run (no gain)
1st-and-6: run +1
1st-and-10: pass +11
1st-and-10: pass +23
1st-and-10: sack -4
1st-and-10: pass +4, nullified by DEN holding
1st-and-20: incomplete pass, nullified by OAK pass interference
1st-and-10: sack -9
1st-and-10: incomplete pass, nullified by OAK offsides
1st-and-5: pass +5, nullified by DEN holding
1st-and-15: run +9
1st-and-10: incomplete pass
1st-and-10: pass +15
1st-and-10: pass +6
1st-and-10: incomplete pass, nullified by OAK offsides
1st-and-5: incomplete pass

so here's the breakdown on 1st down after game 1.

1st half run plays on 1st down: 5
1st half pass plays on 1st down: 13
2nd half run play on 1st downs: 4
2nd half pass plays on 1st down: 15

9 runs for 24 yards on 1st down isn't going to get it done.

But on the first 12 first downs, they ran five times ... unsuccessful every time. At some point you stop banging your head.

bendog
09-14-2011, 01:30 PM
Jeff Garthia was a gamer when he was QB.

I miss him

http://fastcache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/11/2008/12/jeffgarcia.jpg

alkemical
09-14-2011, 01:35 PM
but TO still didn't like him and publicly questioned whether Garthia preferred "tacos" or "hot dogs", although i don't recall whether he did this while still in SF or after leaving.

Well - Garthia was not a great practice QB - but was a "gamer".

I watched him with the eagles. In some ways, I sort of see elements of Tebow's game (in the NFL so far) that brings back memories of Garthia.

jhns
09-14-2011, 01:50 PM
consider me in the camp of people who find you too stupid to even bother respsonding to.

Umm, you just responded dumbass. Whats the matter? Can't handle facts?

Gort
09-14-2011, 01:53 PM
But on the first 12 first downs, they ran five times ... unsuccessful every time. At some point you stop banging your head.

there's no easy answer. either you keep running and getting nothing just to keep the defense honest (aka McD) or you abandon your running game in the middle of the 2nd quarter and become 1-dimensional, at which point the Raiders pin back their horns and bring it on every down.

this is the problem with bad teams. lots of problems to fix.

DontBeMessin
09-14-2011, 01:54 PM
If I counted this right - and I think I did - here is an interesting fact that is worth taking note of:

Of the Broncos 59 offensive plays against the Raiders, 46 of them were run out of the shotgun formation (77%).

That's because your offensive line sucks!

Gort
09-14-2011, 01:57 PM
That's because your offensive line sucks!

this comment passes for intellectual discourse on a Raiders forum. you know how i can tell? because you used a 3-syllable word.

however, your comment doesn't pass muster here (i'll wait while you look up 'muster' in an online dictionary). if you've got something intelligent to add, then do. if not, then go back to your meth pipe and leave us alone until our next meeting.

broncosteven
09-14-2011, 02:20 PM
I think our run woes would improve by trying to get KM to the edge with counters, and pitches and using Mcgahee(sp?) and (dare I say it) Ball to pound inside with some TE traps.

I hope they consider putting Decker or Royal (I believe they did this for a passing matchup with motion) in the backfield as a wing guy and use them on end runs just for spice and to keep the D guessing then go back to same formation but motion them out.

I would like to see more of the back side D on the ground. If they can't do that, I would implement the pistol formation GB uses a couple times a game with an extra TE clearing a hole.

Taco John
09-14-2011, 03:01 PM
I'm trying to think of any examples when professional football players haven't supported their starting qb. I'm blank. At best it's a rare exception to not support the starter. It is inconsequential to hear that players support him. The sky is blue, grass is green, etc.

Brian Griese.

bendog
09-14-2011, 03:12 PM
Brian Griese.

Ralston first said Ramsey couldn't do it, and then waffled and ended up saying Ramsey was his guy. That was one of the events leading to the mutiny. Ralston was fired, and Ramsey traded for Craig Morton, who'd lost the fans and media in NY. I doubt Morton ever lost a lockerroom.

OBF1
09-14-2011, 05:02 PM
i would have love to been there .. I watched the game in compton cali...710 and rosecrans.....

Hey dirtbag.... If you are ever that close to my house again and do not call me, I will donkey punch you. Do you understand???

OBF1
09-14-2011, 05:04 PM
Can not be. We need to draft a QB that can work out of the shotgun.

Spider
09-14-2011, 09:40 PM
Hey dirtbag.... If you are ever that close to my house again and do not call me, I will donkey punch you. Do you understand???

would haved loved to call ;)being around a fellow bronco fan would have been great .......

strafen
09-14-2011, 10:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aftermath
The Denver Broncos are a ****1ng joke. I have a question. Did you really think that changing the i to a 1 would get the first 4 letters of that word past the language filter?

I'm laughing my ass off to tears. That's too funny! Ha! ROFL!

DrFate
09-15-2011, 01:07 PM
If I counted this right - and I think I did - here is an interesting fact that is worth taking note of:

Of the Broncos 59 offensive plays against the Raiders, 46 of them were run out of the shotgun formation (77%).

I mentioned this in another thread (thanks for generating the numbers)

It 'felt' like it was a lot of shotgun formations

HILife
09-15-2011, 01:19 PM
If only we had a QB that could excel in a shotgun offense. Now where would you find a guy like that?

Queen?

ozomulsion
09-15-2011, 03:37 PM
Moreno especially, and McGahee are much better I formation RBs. They both did good damage running out of the I in the preseason. Then we come out in the shotgun on almost every play. There are a lot of things about the last game that I did not understand.

mhgaffney
09-15-2011, 03:41 PM
If only we had a QB that could excel in a shotgun offense. Now where would you find a guy like that?

When you find out -- please tell coach Fox.

Dedhed
09-15-2011, 03:59 PM
When you find out -- please tell coach Fox.

Coming soon to a billboard near John Fox's office.

Agamemnon
09-15-2011, 03:59 PM
Moreno especially, and McGahee are much better I formation RBs. They both did good damage running out of the I in the preseason. Then we come out in the shotgun on almost every play. There are a lot of things about the last game that I did not understand.

I don't understand anything this team does anymore.

uplink
09-15-2011, 09:46 PM
If only we had a QB that could excel in a shotgun offense. Now where would you find a guy like that?

Yeah were? What happened to that guy who played the last three games last year and was so fun to watch. Is he still on the team?

mikey555
09-15-2011, 10:03 PM
My God, putting bowling balls in the hands of these guys will end up with someone getting seriously hurt.

Especially the way Orton likes to drop balls!!!

Perry1977
09-15-2011, 10:05 PM
Is it messed up that I already want this season to be over?

mikey555
09-15-2011, 10:22 PM
Like Woody said those last three games we fans felt something we haven't felt since #7 lined up under center!!

Agamemnon
09-15-2011, 11:28 PM
Like Woody said those last three games we fans felt something we haven't felt since #7 lined up under center!!

And EFX have decided to take a giant **** all over it.

Winning the hearts and minds of the fans!!! !Booya!